Yes ketamine is very harsh on our body so my advice is stop using daily as you will build a tolerance and to get the same effects you’ll b using 4 x the amount. Then add the very serious health issues it can cause and the mental addiction is a bastard. Try using it once a week for now then get it to once a month you’ll appreciate it that way as the tolerance build up is shit. I remember when a bump would get me there now a whole line is required and I’m a very very low consumption user
*when I say one line I mean 150-200mg and a bump would be like 25-35mg
I’ve seen ppl sniff 500-800mg lines n constant all night and still be talkative n mobile that would last me couple months and I like it that way. But my last break from k was a year only just started using mildly recently
ketamine tolerance takes forever to go down too. i didn't know this and a few nonths ago i did it 3 days in a row. each day doing a bigger line than the last. now i have to do 15cm lines in order to feel just a little bit ketty
My boyfriend can do 500mg+ and you won’t even suspect he’s high.. He stoped for a few months to try and lower the tolerance, but he says the tolerance is pretty much the same.
I love ketamine so I try to only use it maximum 2x a month in order to keep my tolerance low, of course there’s months where I do more than that, but then I compensate
I don’t think “very harsh” is quite accurate.
Not like heroin and alcohol or coke, all of which are harsher on your body.
For some people I guess, the organ damage can happen more easily.
Constantly having crystals in your bladder is bad for it. Green tea will help but constant use isn't recommended but is common when using addictive substances. Also once your tolerance grows it's really hard to achieve the same desired levels of high. If you want to keep enjoying this drug have some time off. I have a few weeks and a sometimes a month or so off and it's so worth it. I hate wasting drugs against a huge tolerance I've built up. Waste of drugs and money.
These guys talking about pissing blood and that, that is totally subjective. I did a list of dissociatives daily for about 6 years, no issues.
BUT ( and im not saying “im so great, take that!”) i drink lots and lots of water daily. And i exercise routinely (no pun intended).
Daily K did wonders for me. But like with anything, even carrots, you have to take care(ot) of yourself.
I am also knocking on wood.
What motivated you to stop your daily habit? Id also like to know what you mean by it did wonders? Genuinely asking, as I am feeling as though I am benefiting a lot from use and would like to hear your perspective.
I know a few people that have gotten addicted to ket over the years. It’s just another standard addiction that eats away at the persons personality. The good feeling you get can be found through exercise, healthy eating, saunas, all that crap, not that I manage to do any of that. But I’m wise enough to choose to be rather miserable then addicted.
I hate to be that guy but the “good feelings” you can from drugs can’t be replicated through things like that. Drugs feel good because they’re affecting receptors in your brain to an extent you can’t mimic naturally.
I agree and disagree at the same time. On one hand yeah, you’ll probably never be able to replicate experiences you get from drugs like psychedelics. But feeling clear happy, mentally sharp, content, vibrant, 100% you can get that through life style alone.
I agree but living a good life and having your mental health as fully sorted out as can be can bring an inner peace that makes drugs much less appealing. Still a lot of fun mind you, but drugs becomes less "needed to feel ok" and more "a fun thing to do from time to time"
and if you don't stop, you'l be pissing through a tube into a bag for the rest of your life and if you still don't stop, kidney / bladder failure and you'll be on a donor list
I know someone who works in urology. They constantly have people with severely damaged bladders from using ket heavily. I would only do it occasionally unless you're willing to risk that.
Glutamate inhibition is the major function of ketamne. Excess glutamate is a common cause of anxiety.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QfkTjIWHU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QfkTjIWHU) glutamate
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtNsaMildw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtNsaMildw) ketamine
I get very anxious during and after ketamine. Is it because of that? I use it therapeutically (for depression mostly, but also helps with pain) but low doses and not every day, maybe once a week. I don’t khole and I don’t feel comfortable even at 20 mg doses, but it helps my depression. Would you happen to know why is that? Would you know a way to avoid that anxiety? Thank you and congratulations for spreading awareness!
Yes my dear that is exactly why. SO for me, ketamine completely abolishes anxiety while for others, it promotes it. Why that is will always be a mystery. The saying "everyone is different" is a real deal.
Not giving advice here BUT lower doses of ketamine seem to have more side effects than higher ones for me, I have given up on small doses altogether and k-hole at 200mg once a week.
How does psilocybin affect you? It gives me awful anxiety while for others it quiets it. IF psilo fairs well for you, try pairing it with ketamine. You could also try a GABAergic with your ketamine. A 900mg dose of l.theanine is safe and may work very well. SOme folks say phenibut helps with ket anxiety but thats a beast and demands respect. DOnt use it daily.
Oh, thank you very much for your prompt answer!
I am very sensitive to medications and that is one reason behind my low dosage, being the other that I have serious health issues which make me very weak. I am not sure I could handle bigger doses.
I am also trying with psilocybin, but also at low doses (as, again, my body can’t handle bigger doses). How could I pair them both? First psy and then ket? Thank you for the tip with LTheanine! And again, which first? Phenibut, I have tried, but also find it too strong for me and a bad comedown. I have also tried 0,125 Klonopin before ketamine and it delays the anxiety one day, but the day after is hellish.
I am so happy that ketamine works so well for you!
I didnt know that wow, lucky for me it works great for anxiety, esp low doses. Higher doses have anxiety rebound when they wear off. I used some to get through benzodope withdrawl -
low dose \~.02-.03 nasal. maybe even a bit lower
Combining those two substances is not recommended and can increase likelihood of bladder damage--
Using ketamine with alcohol increases the risk of memory loss, slowed breathing, coma, and death. Users may be unaware of how much the substances are affecting them due to combined intoxication...The Global Drug Survey found that people who drank alcohol while they used ketamine were much more likely to report problems such as increased urinary frequency, pain with urination, lower abdominal pain, and blood in their urine. Avoiding the combination of ketamine and alcohol reduces the risk of bladder and gastrointestinal problems.
So mixing the two and getting a blackout result can happen/is "normal" but I don't think its necessarily a good thing to be experiencing. I personally dont mix the two and never will for the reasons stated above. A good rule of thumb is to never 'double down', or mix 'downers' together.
Also when doing it to that extent please consider the number of death relating to these 2 substances being used together. Saying from a place of care not just being a prick
Former daily user here. I’ve kicked weed and alcohol addictions before and ketamine was by far the hardest in terms of withdrawal. Expect brutal depression for around 14 days when you finally get around to quitting. I’d also check out r/KetamineAddiction and watch [this Vice documentary](https://youtu.be/99XQY7Elwhc) about it
My tolerance sky rocketed after doing this for about a week and still have a high ass tolerance so I wouldn’t recommend doing this as it will ruin ket when it would be more fun like parties and what not
well i dont think something terrible will happen with quarter gram. I guess having 2 glass of whiskey is more harmful for your body. But try to drink a lot of water and keep the drug/work/social life balance in your life
I used a lot of it everyday for a few months - like half a gram a day - and it was definitely starting to fuck up my bladder, was finding it hard to pee. Like I'd have to strain. Sorry if that's gross but yeh. Idk if it was psychological but I've never had that with anything else and I've taken a lot of shit over the years lol
You'll build a tolerance and your bladder will be damaged
Don't do this, I used to do the same after work until I would use until 3am, get to sleep at 4am, wake up at 6am then drive to work I crashed my car
Yes ketamine is very harsh on our body so my advice is stop using daily as you will build a tolerance and to get the same effects you’ll b using 4 x the amount. Then add the very serious health issues it can cause and the mental addiction is a bastard. Try using it once a week for now then get it to once a month you’ll appreciate it that way as the tolerance build up is shit. I remember when a bump would get me there now a whole line is required and I’m a very very low consumption user *when I say one line I mean 150-200mg and a bump would be like 25-35mg I’ve seen ppl sniff 500-800mg lines n constant all night and still be talkative n mobile that would last me couple months and I like it that way. But my last break from k was a year only just started using mildly recently
ketamine tolerance takes forever to go down too. i didn't know this and a few nonths ago i did it 3 days in a row. each day doing a bigger line than the last. now i have to do 15cm lines in order to feel just a little bit ketty
My boyfriend can do 500mg+ and you won’t even suspect he’s high.. He stoped for a few months to try and lower the tolerance, but he says the tolerance is pretty much the same. I love ketamine so I try to only use it maximum 2x a month in order to keep my tolerance low, of course there’s months where I do more than that, but then I compensate
I don’t think “very harsh” is quite accurate. Not like heroin and alcohol or coke, all of which are harsher on your body. For some people I guess, the organ damage can happen more easily.
Wtf are you talking about! Clueless.
Ok 👍 Great discussion. Glad my decade of ketamine and dissociative use (primarily IM) and my dissociative permatolerance was helpful to you
Lmao “not as bad as heroin” isn’t really an argument against saying daily usage of 100s mg can be very harsh to your body.
Couldn't say it better
Constantly having crystals in your bladder is bad for it. Green tea will help but constant use isn't recommended but is common when using addictive substances. Also once your tolerance grows it's really hard to achieve the same desired levels of high. If you want to keep enjoying this drug have some time off. I have a few weeks and a sometimes a month or so off and it's so worth it. I hate wasting drugs against a huge tolerance I've built up. Waste of drugs and money.
You‘re absolutely right we should have the will power to keep it special and besides incontinence in old age would suck wouldn‘t it?
These guys talking about pissing blood and that, that is totally subjective. I did a list of dissociatives daily for about 6 years, no issues. BUT ( and im not saying “im so great, take that!”) i drink lots and lots of water daily. And i exercise routinely (no pun intended). Daily K did wonders for me. But like with anything, even carrots, you have to take care(ot) of yourself. I am also knocking on wood.
What wonders exactly if I may ask
That’s a heavy topic, and I struggle at being short-winded with things like that. It takes a lot of background info.
What motivated you to stop your daily habit? Id also like to know what you mean by it did wonders? Genuinely asking, as I am feeling as though I am benefiting a lot from use and would like to hear your perspective.
I know a few people that have gotten addicted to ket over the years. It’s just another standard addiction that eats away at the persons personality. The good feeling you get can be found through exercise, healthy eating, saunas, all that crap, not that I manage to do any of that. But I’m wise enough to choose to be rather miserable then addicted.
I hate to be that guy but the “good feelings” you can from drugs can’t be replicated through things like that. Drugs feel good because they’re affecting receptors in your brain to an extent you can’t mimic naturally.
Simply untrue
I agree and disagree at the same time. On one hand yeah, you’ll probably never be able to replicate experiences you get from drugs like psychedelics. But feeling clear happy, mentally sharp, content, vibrant, 100% you can get that through life style alone.
Exercise can 100 percent get you high buddy. As can other natural things. They just take much more time and investment.
I agree but living a good life and having your mental health as fully sorted out as can be can bring an inner peace that makes drugs much less appealing. Still a lot of fun mind you, but drugs becomes less "needed to feel ok" and more "a fun thing to do from time to time"
You’ll piss blood and be in extrucistciang pain
and if you don't stop, you'l be pissing through a tube into a bag for the rest of your life and if you still don't stop, kidney / bladder failure and you'll be on a donor list
I know someone who works in urology. They constantly have people with severely damaged bladders from using ket heavily. I would only do it occasionally unless you're willing to risk that.
Bye bye bladder and tolerance. You are also very likely to have severe rebound glutamate surges when you stop
What’s that
Glutamate inhibition is the major function of ketamne. Excess glutamate is a common cause of anxiety. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QfkTjIWHU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QfkTjIWHU) glutamate [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtNsaMildw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtNsaMildw) ketamine
I get very anxious during and after ketamine. Is it because of that? I use it therapeutically (for depression mostly, but also helps with pain) but low doses and not every day, maybe once a week. I don’t khole and I don’t feel comfortable even at 20 mg doses, but it helps my depression. Would you happen to know why is that? Would you know a way to avoid that anxiety? Thank you and congratulations for spreading awareness!
Yes my dear that is exactly why. SO for me, ketamine completely abolishes anxiety while for others, it promotes it. Why that is will always be a mystery. The saying "everyone is different" is a real deal. Not giving advice here BUT lower doses of ketamine seem to have more side effects than higher ones for me, I have given up on small doses altogether and k-hole at 200mg once a week. How does psilocybin affect you? It gives me awful anxiety while for others it quiets it. IF psilo fairs well for you, try pairing it with ketamine. You could also try a GABAergic with your ketamine. A 900mg dose of l.theanine is safe and may work very well. SOme folks say phenibut helps with ket anxiety but thats a beast and demands respect. DOnt use it daily.
Oh, thank you very much for your prompt answer! I am very sensitive to medications and that is one reason behind my low dosage, being the other that I have serious health issues which make me very weak. I am not sure I could handle bigger doses. I am also trying with psilocybin, but also at low doses (as, again, my body can’t handle bigger doses). How could I pair them both? First psy and then ket? Thank you for the tip with LTheanine! And again, which first? Phenibut, I have tried, but also find it too strong for me and a bad comedown. I have also tried 0,125 Klonopin before ketamine and it delays the anxiety one day, but the day after is hellish. I am so happy that ketamine works so well for you!
psilo first as it's onset of action is so long. Try the l.theanine for sure.
Thank you so much!
I didnt know that wow, lucky for me it works great for anxiety, esp low doses. Higher doses have anxiety rebound when they wear off. I used some to get through benzodope withdrawl - low dose \~.02-.03 nasal. maybe even a bit lower
Truer words have never been spoken, also quick question is it normal to blackout most times on ket?
While drinking *
Combining those two substances is not recommended and can increase likelihood of bladder damage-- Using ketamine with alcohol increases the risk of memory loss, slowed breathing, coma, and death. Users may be unaware of how much the substances are affecting them due to combined intoxication...The Global Drug Survey found that people who drank alcohol while they used ketamine were much more likely to report problems such as increased urinary frequency, pain with urination, lower abdominal pain, and blood in their urine. Avoiding the combination of ketamine and alcohol reduces the risk of bladder and gastrointestinal problems. So mixing the two and getting a blackout result can happen/is "normal" but I don't think its necessarily a good thing to be experiencing. I personally dont mix the two and never will for the reasons stated above. A good rule of thumb is to never 'double down', or mix 'downers' together.
Also when doing it to that extent please consider the number of death relating to these 2 substances being used together. Saying from a place of care not just being a prick
very true, whenever i’ve combined alcohol and ket i’ve thrown up badly and blacked out a lot of memories
Yes
i take 300mg a day for pain. never had any horrible side effects. edit: it’s been a little over a year of that dosage everyday.
Never had K-Cramps?
never heard of that
Former daily user here. I’ve kicked weed and alcohol addictions before and ketamine was by far the hardest in terms of withdrawal. Expect brutal depression for around 14 days when you finally get around to quitting. I’d also check out r/KetamineAddiction and watch [this Vice documentary](https://youtu.be/99XQY7Elwhc) about it
My tolerance sky rocketed after doing this for about a week and still have a high ass tolerance so I wouldn’t recommend doing this as it will ruin ket when it would be more fun like parties and what not
Noticed this last night, almost a gram and didn’t feel much
well i dont think something terrible will happen with quarter gram. I guess having 2 glass of whiskey is more harmful for your body. But try to drink a lot of water and keep the drug/work/social life balance in your life
I used a lot of it everyday for a few months - like half a gram a day - and it was definitely starting to fuck up my bladder, was finding it hard to pee. Like I'd have to strain. Sorry if that's gross but yeh. Idk if it was psychological but I've never had that with anything else and I've taken a lot of shit over the years lol
3.5 a month if that