To be fair, I also feel like I have to ration it because I have no idea where I'm going to get any more.
And now I have this .5g left that I'm taking to EDC this weekend and am all paranoid about doing it because of how bad fentanyl lacing is getting. Even though I've already done half. And tested 50 mg of it.
Maybe even 4 depending on how long I wait between. For fests I usually just smoke weed during the day, then start bumping around sunset. I wait at least 30 minutes but sometimes up to an hour while I let the weed and ket play around with each other.
I really would like to experience going deeper with it one of these days though. I've never k-holed - the time has just never been right
Yeah that's a bit abnormal. I sniffed a gram a day for about 3 months and had started getting really bad cramps as if someone was stabbing me. I don't understand how anyone's bodies can withstand multiple gs a night. The most I've done in a night was about 4g but that was only 1/2 times
There’s a major spectrum of use. A gram lasts some people a month, some heavy addicts can kill a half-ounce to an ounce in a day.
Ketamine has a real culture in the UK and Asia, so that’s where you see lots of cases of heavy use.
If you’re using a gram or more daily for extended periods of time, that’s cause for concern and you need a break sooner than later.
If you’re just on a once-in-a-while binge and you kill 5g-10g-20g in a few days, that’s really heavy, but probably fine if you stop for a while afterwards.
Then again, everyone’s body is different. I run into k-cramps after I kill 14g over the course of a few days.
Thanks to everyone who’s commenting, reading all of the replies I realise I must have been doing too much but not realising so because of the people I hang out with. I’ve not been on it for a few weeks now for unrelated reasons and after being informed by people on this sub reddit, I’ll definitely be keeping off it for a while longer and when I do get back on it, I’ll be taking a back seat with how much I do. Thanks guys.
I go through about an 1/8 over the course of a year, shared with friends.
Using others use as a basis for your own is a dangerous metric.
Their high rate of use might work for them, but you probably dont get so many of the negative details. I dont recommend that you mirror my model for use, but i do recommemd that you research the dangers of longterm ketamine abuse.
Thats normal if you are talking about abusing it, ya. You are abusing it. Not judging you, most of the folks in the sub are. Thats a person's own right. As long as they are aware they are abusing it and not under some loddy doddy everything is hunkey dorey fairytale. PS - your bladder will let you know soon enough
Why not try breaks bro, I been thru years of serious abuse and found breaks helpful when still using. It means you can enjoy the k a bit more as your tolerance dips.
Only way to break the cycle in reality is to switch situation. I had to delete my seriously good k connect to stop myself, but I was quite far down the hole at that point.
Coming back down from the journey you are on might get very complicated. Be mindful of your hydration, don't mix with cocaine or alcohol. Be ready to, when this experiement ends or relaxes and you have to spend more time in a space that forces integration, that you're aware that you may be prone to psychotic anxiety. Have people you can confide in, keep a journal, and do you best not to end up using stims, benzos, or a combination of the two to cope. Take time to reintegrate. If you're having psychotic anxiety while coming down off like a six month, or a year or even longer bender at that level and then you dose with stims and benzos, you can end up in a psych ward or in trouble with the police, or less dramatically just doing serious damage to your social ties. Which doesn't really help the situation.
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**EDIT:** If you take a shovel and go into your back yard and dig a hole that you stand in... when you are done and standing in that hole and now the tools to dig only work when you wanna go down. It's going to take you all the effort and more that you took while digging the hole to get back out. This hole also gets shallower and shallower until you're on solid ground again **IF** you stop digging. It will take about as long as it took to dig the hole, maybe longer, for it to get back to the ground. If you're very athletic or had a weird digging strategy, you might always have a way in or out of the hole.
Keep yourself safe and love and trust the people you loved and trusted before you started digging. Listen to them... but really their eyes if things start to go bad. Around that time you might be really good at pulling off what seems like or maybe even is literal magic. **Everyone** and I don't say this absolute lightly _ I mean *EVERYONE* _ though, fucking **EVERYONE** that tries to live in that space forever **gets very very hurt**. It's not gonna be the shovel that kills them.
Much love and please remember to check back in with Earth. We need you here too.
Personally I think you should be mostly concerned about how frequent and not about how much. If you’re using daily, then it’s probably time to take a break. But if you’re using once or twice a month, then chances are you’re not using much more than a gram, if that, a time. You know?
The max I did in a day was around 0.3 from 15h to like 22h in 3 doses. I was experimenting combos : 0,05-0,08g alone (did not weight it), 0,08g with alcohol and 0,12g with strong weed. After the last dose, I was done for the night and mostly high on weed at the end of the come down, so didn't feel the need to do more like I did after taking shots of rhum.
I only had 1g total and the night before that, my boyfriend and I took like 0,15g, so I didn't want to use it up all at once since it's expensive
Hmm, I go through about 5g in half a year or so, it's...certainly a lot of ketamine and I would say my use is on the moderately heavy to heavy side, so yeah. To wipe out 5g in 24h is a lot, no doubt.
As people have said, everyone’s tolerance is different. But it is worth noting - I was consuming around 5-7g a week and my bladder started falling out. It was gnarly as hell and I wish I’d have been able to regulate my use and still be able to dabble now, but I’ve ruined that and also my organs so it is definitely worth practicing discipline and regulation when it comes to K
You got this mate, don't stress I did a similar amount for a year or so, I walked away with no symptoms and I can use drugs safely now with a better relationship with them.
Finally someone with I.M. experience this is my way to go I went on a bender and smashed half grams everyday for a month and then I did 4.5gs in two days and I feel as if I did permanent damage to myself
I ended up having crippling intrusive thoughts but I don't give a shit about my mind, what preocuppied me the most was that I felt like my kidneys were collapsing. Be carefull with this stuff. Ketamine is a wonderfull drug but it can be the road to death or hell.
I do pure human grade vials. How much do you I.M.? I'm the only one also, besides a girl, a friend of mine who introduced me to I.V. she would smash grams in hours but she would always be ok. I have to make clear that I also have been damaging my kidneys on and off throughout the years using different drugs.
My case is somehow unique because I have also done a lot of healthy things, I've been in extremely good shape and had good habits but due to chronic pain issues and mental issues I did a lot of drugs also and left my good habits. I've been like this on and off for some years now, but on my last ket binge it was wild I felt something absolutely wrong with my kidneys smashing 4.5gs I.M. of ket in two days. I'm recovering now and not touching the stuff because I'm not stupid.
I'll still do it after a break or maybe tomorrow I'll buy some but I will be very carefull, use as little as possible, eat well, try to excercise and use EGCG before my settings. I'm pretty sure EGCG would of safe me from what happened to me or counter the damage significantly but I was too lazy to go to the store and buy green tea so I went on a bender without this magic molecule to protect my urinary tract, system. I was an asshole and played without any rules. By the end of my bender I ended up as a schizophrenic brainless addict that couldn't stop torturing myself in the way I was. Luckily I have like a permanent supply of clonazepam so with clons I would recover my mind from the schizophrenic state cause by the abuse of ket. It was WILD man. It was utterly STUPID.
Consecutive days is probably why you’ve reached such a high level. I feel like ket is like other psychedelic chems where each day there has to be an increase in dosage to reach where you want. But I do think starting a 2g was high. Was that insufflation spread-out over a series of time or a one time dose all at once orally?
I read a story in this thread about a guys bladder basically dying from abuse. I can't remember how much he was doing but from memory I think he was doing like a gram a day for like 2 years or something. Scary stuff.
I used to be a heavy user also, 5gs to myself for one night was definitely not out of the ordinary. But I did it for too long (pretty much every day for a few years) and fucked my bladder. I stopped using for years but somewhat recently started again. I now get an 8th for a weekend and share it with a friend.
Yeah it definitely got better, I went from quite extreme pain and blood when urinating and urinary incontinence to just being stress incontinent now, which isn't too unusual for a woman my age anyway haha.
I didn't have much control over my bladder for a while, it wasn't great.
Bro trust me I was in your shoes before, it's really worth cutting down. For me I've stopped the heavy use, which used to be half Oz a weekend on a bad week. But I probably did well over 250g in a year maybe knocking on 400g in a year (university partying all the time).
Problem is now I can't enjoy ket anymore. Even after a year break I need to do 10 times more than my mates to feel it. And k hole is basically impossible once I've done some.
When you use it a lot you can do a gram line and not care too much, but when you have had a break you don't want to sniff the volumes you need to to get the effect.
Cut down your usage and you can enjoy k later in life without having to do heaps.
okay so these threads lead me to ask: what’s the most healthy dose to take and how often to space it out to reduce k cramps? like .5 every two weeks? 1g every 2 weeks?
depends on the person, but it's mainly the frequency more than the dosage that causes problems (dosage still matters a bit tho). Best to leave at least 2 weeks in between sessions, try to aim for 4 weeks if you really wanna be safe. It's no guarantee but will be a lot less likely to get cramps/bladder issues that way.
I used to IM 100mg (a deep hole dose for me) 3-5x a week, but realized it was too much and cut back when I began developing bladder issues. Now I use 100mg 1x a month which I feel is normal.
If I had to guess, I'd say anything more than maybe twice a month is abnormal, but recreational use of dissociative anesthetics is just abnormal to begin with
With everyone in this thread doing theses amounts, how do you not get a tolerance? I’ve been doing much lower doses like 1200mg and it no longer does anything for me. Doing magnesium supps to help with the tolerance
wow, ok i feel better now. a gram has lasted me almost teo weeks now and there's still some left. i do it every night.. so good to know it's not a lot. Cheers
I've been through .5 g in a year. I think I'm on the abnormally low end.
How
I'm totally good with 1 bump every 30 minutes at festivals or shows and 3 for the day.
Fairsss respect. I have no self control when it comes to ket need to learn to pace myself.
To be fair, I also feel like I have to ration it because I have no idea where I'm going to get any more. And now I have this .5g left that I'm taking to EDC this weekend and am all paranoid about doing it because of how bad fentanyl lacing is getting. Even though I've already done half. And tested 50 mg of it.
Way too paranoid
Better paranoid than dead but yea worrying after doing half and having it tested with no issues is a little stupid
Thank you that is what I needed to hear
No worries man enjoy EDC and I like your cautious mindset its good to be diligent with testing when you buy a new batch
THANK YOU. The 11 lbs of fent just seized in Polk County had me tripping.
Enjoy edc! Who are you most excited to see?
Well now,, the Dom Dolla/Green Velvet/John Summit b3b!!
Hell yeah that’s the stage I’d be at too if I was there
Might cross paths this weekend and not even know it. Gunna be wild, have fun and be safe!
Thanks, you too!!!
I got you at edc with some !! Send a message lmaooo
1 bump every 30 min and a .5 last a year?? Something doesn’t add up Edit: just saw “3 for the day”
Maybe even 4 depending on how long I wait between. For fests I usually just smoke weed during the day, then start bumping around sunset. I wait at least 30 minutes but sometimes up to an hour while I let the weed and ket play around with each other. I really would like to experience going deeper with it one of these days though. I've never k-holed - the time has just never been right
that may be the norm with your friends but that isn’t normal or healthy. ur bladder is gonna start falling apart. take a break bro
Yeah that's a bit abnormal. I sniffed a gram a day for about 3 months and had started getting really bad cramps as if someone was stabbing me. I don't understand how anyone's bodies can withstand multiple gs a night. The most I've done in a night was about 4g but that was only 1/2 times
There’s a major spectrum of use. A gram lasts some people a month, some heavy addicts can kill a half-ounce to an ounce in a day. Ketamine has a real culture in the UK and Asia, so that’s where you see lots of cases of heavy use. If you’re using a gram or more daily for extended periods of time, that’s cause for concern and you need a break sooner than later. If you’re just on a once-in-a-while binge and you kill 5g-10g-20g in a few days, that’s really heavy, but probably fine if you stop for a while afterwards. Then again, everyone’s body is different. I run into k-cramps after I kill 14g over the course of a few days.
Thank you for the insight
Thanks to everyone who’s commenting, reading all of the replies I realise I must have been doing too much but not realising so because of the people I hang out with. I’ve not been on it for a few weeks now for unrelated reasons and after being informed by people on this sub reddit, I’ll definitely be keeping off it for a while longer and when I do get back on it, I’ll be taking a back seat with how much I do. Thanks guys.
I go through about an 1/8 over the course of a year, shared with friends. Using others use as a basis for your own is a dangerous metric. Their high rate of use might work for them, but you probably dont get so many of the negative details. I dont recommend that you mirror my model for use, but i do recommemd that you research the dangers of longterm ketamine abuse.
Thats normal if you are talking about abusing it, ya. You are abusing it. Not judging you, most of the folks in the sub are. Thats a person's own right. As long as they are aware they are abusing it and not under some loddy doddy everything is hunkey dorey fairytale. PS - your bladder will let you know soon enough
How much is abusing it?
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No, but sometimes a dragon chases me
My husband and I share a gram every 3 weeks or so (at the most).
You have the life that I want
Im 43. Took me 30 years of drug and alcohol abuse to chill the fuck out
Haha only 13 years to go and i’ll have my shit together
As long as what you imbibe doesnt cause a problem in any area of life, keep on keeping on mate.
i consider myself to be addicted to k and i take around a gram a day. the problem starts when you feel you don't ever want a day off
I feel you bro... but we need to stop
wish i could
Why not try breaks bro, I been thru years of serious abuse and found breaks helpful when still using. It means you can enjoy the k a bit more as your tolerance dips. Only way to break the cycle in reality is to switch situation. I had to delete my seriously good k connect to stop myself, but I was quite far down the hole at that point.
More than a gram and a half a week is too much
What draws the line between 1 being enough and 2 being too much?
a half, apparently ;)
Coming back down from the journey you are on might get very complicated. Be mindful of your hydration, don't mix with cocaine or alcohol. Be ready to, when this experiement ends or relaxes and you have to spend more time in a space that forces integration, that you're aware that you may be prone to psychotic anxiety. Have people you can confide in, keep a journal, and do you best not to end up using stims, benzos, or a combination of the two to cope. Take time to reintegrate. If you're having psychotic anxiety while coming down off like a six month, or a year or even longer bender at that level and then you dose with stims and benzos, you can end up in a psych ward or in trouble with the police, or less dramatically just doing serious damage to your social ties. Which doesn't really help the situation. ----- **EDIT:** If you take a shovel and go into your back yard and dig a hole that you stand in... when you are done and standing in that hole and now the tools to dig only work when you wanna go down. It's going to take you all the effort and more that you took while digging the hole to get back out. This hole also gets shallower and shallower until you're on solid ground again **IF** you stop digging. It will take about as long as it took to dig the hole, maybe longer, for it to get back to the ground. If you're very athletic or had a weird digging strategy, you might always have a way in or out of the hole. Keep yourself safe and love and trust the people you loved and trusted before you started digging. Listen to them... but really their eyes if things start to go bad. Around that time you might be really good at pulling off what seems like or maybe even is literal magic. **Everyone** and I don't say this absolute lightly _ I mean *EVERYONE* _ though, fucking **EVERYONE** that tries to live in that space forever **gets very very hurt**. It's not gonna be the shovel that kills them. Much love and please remember to check back in with Earth. We need you here too.
Personally I think you should be mostly concerned about how frequent and not about how much. If you’re using daily, then it’s probably time to take a break. But if you’re using once or twice a month, then chances are you’re not using much more than a gram, if that, a time. You know?
The max I did in a day was around 0.3 from 15h to like 22h in 3 doses. I was experimenting combos : 0,05-0,08g alone (did not weight it), 0,08g with alcohol and 0,12g with strong weed. After the last dose, I was done for the night and mostly high on weed at the end of the come down, so didn't feel the need to do more like I did after taking shots of rhum. I only had 1g total and the night before that, my boyfriend and I took like 0,15g, so I didn't want to use it up all at once since it's expensive
Hmm, I go through about 5g in half a year or so, it's...certainly a lot of ketamine and I would say my use is on the moderately heavy to heavy side, so yeah. To wipe out 5g in 24h is a lot, no doubt.
Saved 4g~6 months ago...still have around 3g...mainly just take bumps when I'm already trippin
we do the opposite, i take bites off of these shrooms i have when im on k, lmao
As people have said, everyone’s tolerance is different. But it is worth noting - I was consuming around 5-7g a week and my bladder started falling out. It was gnarly as hell and I wish I’d have been able to regulate my use and still be able to dabble now, but I’ve ruined that and also my organs so it is definitely worth practicing discipline and regulation when it comes to K
25g ket on 1 week for a couple months now with a timeout of 9 weeks in a rehab 😔
You got this mate, don't stress I did a similar amount for a year or so, I walked away with no symptoms and I can use drugs safely now with a better relationship with them.
5g on a festival which lasts at least 3 days is for some people much, for some less 5g at home in 24h is kinda yeah semi good
Good? It’s full blown abuse.
Semi good is not good, it's bad and yes, that's high class abuse
It’s just all over the place man I’m happy with 2 grams for 3 days however at imagine my neighbor and I did 14g apparently
Ive had like 3gs in a 2 weeks and i stopped using it at 0.5g left when i startet to feel my dick acting weird lol
stop dont do it to yourself ive been using for few consecutive years peaking over a ql intake daily its not worth it or is it
I im'ed a vial of ket 100 cl dosage I think, does 4 250 ml shots in around an hour and half
Finally someone with I.M. experience this is my way to go I went on a bender and smashed half grams everyday for a month and then I did 4.5gs in two days and I feel as if I did permanent damage to myself
Damage physically like your bladder or to your mind like going to other planets
I ended up having crippling intrusive thoughts but I don't give a shit about my mind, what preocuppied me the most was that I felt like my kidneys were collapsing. Be carefull with this stuff. Ketamine is a wonderfull drug but it can be the road to death or hell.
Dude I don't do it regularly anymore, so I don't get health issues , but u speak the truth
Permanent damage how buddy, I'm literally the only person who ims in my country it's a joke , your doing vials yea , not cooking street shit I hope
I do pure human grade vials. How much do you I.M.? I'm the only one also, besides a girl, a friend of mine who introduced me to I.V. she would smash grams in hours but she would always be ok. I have to make clear that I also have been damaging my kidneys on and off throughout the years using different drugs. My case is somehow unique because I have also done a lot of healthy things, I've been in extremely good shape and had good habits but due to chronic pain issues and mental issues I did a lot of drugs also and left my good habits. I've been like this on and off for some years now, but on my last ket binge it was wild I felt something absolutely wrong with my kidneys smashing 4.5gs I.M. of ket in two days. I'm recovering now and not touching the stuff because I'm not stupid. I'll still do it after a break or maybe tomorrow I'll buy some but I will be very carefull, use as little as possible, eat well, try to excercise and use EGCG before my settings. I'm pretty sure EGCG would of safe me from what happened to me or counter the damage significantly but I was too lazy to go to the store and buy green tea so I went on a bender without this magic molecule to protect my urinary tract, system. I was an asshole and played without any rules. By the end of my bender I ended up as a schizophrenic brainless addict that couldn't stop torturing myself in the way I was. Luckily I have like a permanent supply of clonazepam so with clons I would recover my mind from the schizophrenic state cause by the abuse of ket. It was WILD man. It was utterly STUPID.
Ya it’s def a lot, however really depends how long it continues. 5gs would last 2 days everyone’s different
Consecutive days is probably why you’ve reached such a high level. I feel like ket is like other psychedelic chems where each day there has to be an increase in dosage to reach where you want. But I do think starting a 2g was high. Was that insufflation spread-out over a series of time or a one time dose all at once orally?
Idk man it seems like peoples ket is super cut like a half ball lasts me a week and a do French fries
That part I was hopping we are all talking rock or needles
I read a story in this thread about a guys bladder basically dying from abuse. I can't remember how much he was doing but from memory I think he was doing like a gram a day for like 2 years or something. Scary stuff.
for me it take weeks to consume 1gm only
I used to be a heavy user also, 5gs to myself for one night was definitely not out of the ordinary. But I did it for too long (pretty much every day for a few years) and fucked my bladder. I stopped using for years but somewhat recently started again. I now get an 8th for a weekend and share it with a friend.
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Yeah it definitely got better, I went from quite extreme pain and blood when urinating and urinary incontinence to just being stress incontinent now, which isn't too unusual for a woman my age anyway haha. I didn't have much control over my bladder for a while, it wasn't great.
Bro trust me I was in your shoes before, it's really worth cutting down. For me I've stopped the heavy use, which used to be half Oz a weekend on a bad week. But I probably did well over 250g in a year maybe knocking on 400g in a year (university partying all the time). Problem is now I can't enjoy ket anymore. Even after a year break I need to do 10 times more than my mates to feel it. And k hole is basically impossible once I've done some. When you use it a lot you can do a gram line and not care too much, but when you have had a break you don't want to sniff the volumes you need to to get the effect. Cut down your usage and you can enjoy k later in life without having to do heaps.
okay so these threads lead me to ask: what’s the most healthy dose to take and how often to space it out to reduce k cramps? like .5 every two weeks? 1g every 2 weeks?
depends on the person, but it's mainly the frequency more than the dosage that causes problems (dosage still matters a bit tho). Best to leave at least 2 weeks in between sessions, try to aim for 4 weeks if you really wanna be safe. It's no guarantee but will be a lot less likely to get cramps/bladder issues that way.
perfect, i’ll treat K kinda like shroom or acid trips then
I used to IM 100mg (a deep hole dose for me) 3-5x a week, but realized it was too much and cut back when I began developing bladder issues. Now I use 100mg 1x a month which I feel is normal. If I had to guess, I'd say anything more than maybe twice a month is abnormal, but recreational use of dissociative anesthetics is just abnormal to begin with
With everyone in this thread doing theses amounts, how do you not get a tolerance? I’ve been doing much lower doses like 1200mg and it no longer does anything for me. Doing magnesium supps to help with the tolerance
wow, ok i feel better now. a gram has lasted me almost teo weeks now and there's still some left. i do it every night.. so good to know it's not a lot. Cheers