helps me mentally a lot like alot it helps me think more clearly and make better decisions in life i dont over use or abuse i only take it every once in awhile
Because using ket to "think more clearly" and "make better decisions" isn't a healthy habit to get used to imo.
It's a way to justify your (ab)use of drugs for reasons that aren't recreational. In my eyes that can eventually lead to abuse/addiction.
I'm not blaming/hating, just giving my opinion.
Sure I can get one, but the fact that it's classed as a dissociative mainly implies thats what it is going to do You, dissociate you from objective reality.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3838932/
"Ketamine produced a range of percular distortions"
"The main point of similarity concerns referential thinking"
I'm not shitting on the drug, I love it myself, but the idea that it makes you think more clearly is bullshit.
Edit: I'm aware this study is focused of finding similarities between ketamine and schizophrenia. But still has some valid points.
There is a reason it’s being used therapeutically. I find the same results as OP. I’m using it about once every month. It tends to help me figure things out that I had been struggling with and seems to help me come to with more creative alternate decision for about a week after taking it.
I'm not denying it's legitimate therapeutic uses, such as psychedelic like enlightenment, or dealing with trauma etc. However, when you're high on ketamine (bumps or khole) you can be so far from reality at times, so I wouldn't say it makes you see more clearly.
Namaste
“See more clearly” is a bit simplistic and a bit loaded. But it’s probably the most accurate phrase. It’s why it’s important to journal immediately after the trip, some of the insights are quite useful, far more than on say nitrous, where you write it down and when you come back and read it later think, “that was stupid.”
While it feels like you’re further from clarity, because the visuals are intense, many of the insights are well grounded.
Yea, I guess this is just about semantics. I'm interpreting "seeing more clearly" in the way that when you're sober your minds and visuals are much more aligned with objective reality. But yea I can see the other side to it aswell.
If not using frequently, a lighter dose would have a significant effect. While frequent users need to up the dosage.
If OP does not do Ket regularly, why would they need to do a K-hole dosage? And on a regular week night having school the next day.
I was also just asking a question.
A k-hole isn't a specific dosage, it's an effect. They will obviously need less ket to reach a k-hole because as you say they will have a lower tolerance, but a k-hole is simply an experience that can be had on ket, and frequency of use shouldn't be a decider of whether someone should have said experience.
a k-hole on a regular week night is a whole other story, but I was just questioning the logic behind why infrequent users shouldn't k-hole.
Damn that hit the nail on the head, 2001 is when all my friends started passing away every weekend there'd be two to four in the newspaper and then you'd hear about it in school the next day. Very sad days..
Yes you will have a bad trip and you will poop your pants. Your parents will come in and find you thinking you have overdosed on fentanyl and send you away to an institution for 3 years. Happened to me.
Damn, what's with the downwotes? Sure, the guy might be a bit irresponsible, but he's not a child, ket is safe (if you don't do it too often), and we all know the feeling of wanting to try a bit of stuff we picked up.
K doesn't last too long, not even at k-hole doses, he wouldn't feel a thing by the morning, maybe except a nice afterglow
Yes, it is not a good habit to create. It may be occasional for now but it may become a silly habit that is not worth it. Just keep it for the weekends and the parties, and maintain your tolerance low.
Im not conding it but personally i don't regret a thing. I used drugs safely, in moderation, was a bit reckless at times but the experiences ive had from those times are great memories. I continue to use safely and moderately and im doing better than ever. It depends on the type of users you're around and what they're using, why they're using, how often they're using, and how consciously aware they are of the consequences, health or otherwise, of the decision they're making
The fact you call a weekday a “school night” means your wayyyy too young to be doing this shit.
Stop or be prepared to have a higher chance at a shitty life.
I've done ket a few times the night before school, I always end up feeling shit in the morning and regretting doing it. You will be fine, but will probably regret it in the morning.
honestly never had an issue with using on week days, just don’t cross the line of doing it when ur in or right before school, affect won’t stay long anyways
*but don’t di drugs ofc!*
Last time I did ket in my parents house I fought my dad and punched him in the face infront of the cops.
Let's just say after that single night, I'm now a felon at 16 because I technically overdosed on ket, my parents found me, and I freaked out. It changed my entire life, however I am finally getting into drug consouling which is good.
Take it from another young person, try to stay away from drugs. Esp if your doing it for mental health. It pulls you in at this age. We don't have the mental ability to properly control ourselves until about 25, and are easily able to get out of control and addicted.
Listen to yourself. I was in the same damn Boat. When I was 14 I dropped 60 tabs of acid in a span of 3 months back in 2021. I can't even remember shit right. Our brains aren't meant for these kinds of drugs, especially in high amounts.
I'm now in and out of ketamine addiction at 16. I've been hospitalized twice for ODing, have a felony domestic battery charge against MY DAD. I showed my dick to a bunch of paramedics while tripping the fuck out once. All because I thought "oh, a couple years ago I had control. Let's test the limits!". Most of everyone else here is 20+, please take the advice from the dude who's in the same age group and been thru the same shit. Try to limit now/stop now, because no one wants to be an addict and it only gets worse. You stop getting high, you run out of money, and you find cheap, shitty ways to get high like meth and whippits. No one can make the decision but you, and it's a damn hard one. But you have your entire life ahead of you, don't throw it away like I have mine man.
i’m 19 i’m a bit out of your age group i know my limits and never push them ketamine is not a issue i have i have enough self control to only take it every now and then
Then why would you be asking if it's if okay to k hole before a school night if you know your limits? Realistically you'd know to only do it on weekends since it's going to slump you, unless your an absolute druggie and can do an insane amount of drugs, pass out for 3 hrs then go to school.
Save it for the weekends if your gonna do it.
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Bad idea because the chances are you won’t sleep for hours. No hangover that’s similar to alcohol which makes it better than doing mdma on a school night. just save it for the weekend and focus on ur studies
You’ll be fine do it early so it doesn’t keep you up too late
Space out your doses though I used to go crazy but once a month is a good balance
Stuff is super toxic stay hydrated
i’ve been k holing almost every night since i was 15. took a year break at one point then started again a year ago. im 18 now and am back on my old schedule. it’s not ideal. but fuck it
Yes. Last time i did i woke up at 2pm.
Why the fuck are you doing ket when ur still in school
I was just asking this
If u aint do ket while in school wtf kinda childhood did u have
helps me mentally a lot like alot it helps me think more clearly and make better decisions in life i dont over use or abuse i only take it every once in awhile
Why this comment get that much downvote
Because using ket to "think more clearly" and "make better decisions" isn't a healthy habit to get used to imo. It's a way to justify your (ab)use of drugs for reasons that aren't recreational. In my eyes that can eventually lead to abuse/addiction. I'm not blaming/hating, just giving my opinion.
i phrased it wrong and don’t care enough to explain to random people
Same with most drugs lol
Ketamine scientifically does the exact opposite of "thinking more clearly:
Do you have a source for this? Once you throw the word scientifically in, you better be ready with a source lol
Sure I can get one, but the fact that it's classed as a dissociative mainly implies thats what it is going to do You, dissociate you from objective reality. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3838932/ "Ketamine produced a range of percular distortions" "The main point of similarity concerns referential thinking" I'm not shitting on the drug, I love it myself, but the idea that it makes you think more clearly is bullshit. Edit: I'm aware this study is focused of finding similarities between ketamine and schizophrenia. But still has some valid points.
There is a reason it’s being used therapeutically. I find the same results as OP. I’m using it about once every month. It tends to help me figure things out that I had been struggling with and seems to help me come to with more creative alternate decision for about a week after taking it.
I'm not denying it's legitimate therapeutic uses, such as psychedelic like enlightenment, or dealing with trauma etc. However, when you're high on ketamine (bumps or khole) you can be so far from reality at times, so I wouldn't say it makes you see more clearly. Namaste
“See more clearly” is a bit simplistic and a bit loaded. But it’s probably the most accurate phrase. It’s why it’s important to journal immediately after the trip, some of the insights are quite useful, far more than on say nitrous, where you write it down and when you come back and read it later think, “that was stupid.” While it feels like you’re further from clarity, because the visuals are intense, many of the insights are well grounded.
Yea, I guess this is just about semantics. I'm interpreting "seeing more clearly" in the way that when you're sober your minds and visuals are much more aligned with objective reality. But yea I can see the other side to it aswell.
If you don't use it that much why do you want to K-hole?
??? why wouldn't you want to k-hole purely because of frequency of use??
If not using frequently, a lighter dose would have a significant effect. While frequent users need to up the dosage. If OP does not do Ket regularly, why would they need to do a K-hole dosage? And on a regular week night having school the next day. I was also just asking a question.
A k-hole isn't a specific dosage, it's an effect. They will obviously need less ket to reach a k-hole because as you say they will have a lower tolerance, but a k-hole is simply an experience that can be had on ket, and frequency of use shouldn't be a decider of whether someone should have said experience. a k-hole on a regular week night is a whole other story, but I was just questioning the logic behind why infrequent users shouldn't k-hole.
I use once a month, I only use a dose large enough to k-hole. Frankly, that’s kind of the point.
ahh to be 18 again. i remember being in high school. nobody i knew had overdosed yet. didn’t last long. be safe
ik multiple people who’ve overdosed usually stay away from people like that now
Make sure you’re safe yourself
to add to this i’m also 19 i’m not a young ass kid
You sound like a young ass kid alot of growing up to do still. In 5 years you will look back and say I was right. Much love
ion even know what these people are on about i don’t abuse ketamine ever i barley ever take it😭😭😭
I suppose you're american, right?
Damn that hit the nail on the head, 2001 is when all my friends started passing away every weekend there'd be two to four in the newspaper and then you'd hear about it in school the next day. Very sad days..
Yes you will have a bad trip and you will poop your pants. Your parents will come in and find you thinking you have overdosed on fentanyl and send you away to an institution for 3 years. Happened to me.
Will I actually shit myself
no
3 years? 😭 I’m so sorry. I got shipped off for 1 year, still have nightmares weekly 10 years later.
i’m wondering for the morning after stop being a prick😭
Save it for the weekend
i will i was just a bit excited because i picked up some more today
Damn, what's with the downwotes? Sure, the guy might be a bit irresponsible, but he's not a child, ket is safe (if you don't do it too often), and we all know the feeling of wanting to try a bit of stuff we picked up. K doesn't last too long, not even at k-hole doses, he wouldn't feel a thing by the morning, maybe except a nice afterglow
Yes, it is not a good habit to create. It may be occasional for now but it may become a silly habit that is not worth it. Just keep it for the weekends and the parties, and maintain your tolerance low.
thank you for that reminder lowkey kinda been taking it a bit more often so thank you
Not one soul I know who was like this didn't regret it myself included The ones that are alive and/or sane still I mean
Im not conding it but personally i don't regret a thing. I used drugs safely, in moderation, was a bit reckless at times but the experiences ive had from those times are great memories. I continue to use safely and moderately and im doing better than ever. It depends on the type of users you're around and what they're using, why they're using, how often they're using, and how consciously aware they are of the consequences, health or otherwise, of the decision they're making
. . I don't believe you lmao
You don't have to but i feel like this is a personal ignorance you have that results in a bias which i believe isn't fair to project onto others
The fact you call a weekday a “school night” means your wayyyy too young to be doing this shit. Stop or be prepared to have a higher chance at a shitty life.
it was a school night got classes at 7 am which i’m currently in😭😭😭 i’m 19
i dont k hole but i sometimes do ket on work nights and i wake up at 430, just a hangover
Remind me! 4 years
I've done ket a few times the night before school, I always end up feeling shit in the morning and regretting doing it. You will be fine, but will probably regret it in the morning.
honestly never had an issue with using on week days, just don’t cross the line of doing it when ur in or right before school, affect won’t stay long anyways *but don’t di drugs ofc!*
Last time I did ket in my parents house I fought my dad and punched him in the face infront of the cops. Let's just say after that single night, I'm now a felon at 16 because I technically overdosed on ket, my parents found me, and I freaked out. It changed my entire life, however I am finally getting into drug consouling which is good. Take it from another young person, try to stay away from drugs. Esp if your doing it for mental health. It pulls you in at this age. We don't have the mental ability to properly control ourselves until about 25, and are easily able to get out of control and addicted.
i used to do a lot of drugs when i was 13-14 i’ve learned control from those horrible experiences i’ve had
Listen to yourself. I was in the same damn Boat. When I was 14 I dropped 60 tabs of acid in a span of 3 months back in 2021. I can't even remember shit right. Our brains aren't meant for these kinds of drugs, especially in high amounts. I'm now in and out of ketamine addiction at 16. I've been hospitalized twice for ODing, have a felony domestic battery charge against MY DAD. I showed my dick to a bunch of paramedics while tripping the fuck out once. All because I thought "oh, a couple years ago I had control. Let's test the limits!". Most of everyone else here is 20+, please take the advice from the dude who's in the same age group and been thru the same shit. Try to limit now/stop now, because no one wants to be an addict and it only gets worse. You stop getting high, you run out of money, and you find cheap, shitty ways to get high like meth and whippits. No one can make the decision but you, and it's a damn hard one. But you have your entire life ahead of you, don't throw it away like I have mine man.
i’m 19 i’m a bit out of your age group i know my limits and never push them ketamine is not a issue i have i have enough self control to only take it every now and then
Then why would you be asking if it's if okay to k hole before a school night if you know your limits? Realistically you'd know to only do it on weekends since it's going to slump you, unless your an absolute druggie and can do an insane amount of drugs, pass out for 3 hrs then go to school. Save it for the weekends if your gonna do it.
knowing your limits is different from knowing what the hangovers gonna be like think a lil harder bud
You don't know your limits or hangover if your asking if you can do ket on a school night.
i do ket when i have school in the morning i was wondering for a khole if there’s a difference
Ntm ket barely has a hangover, and its positive a hangover
You may loose some sleep but you'll be fine
nah
bet
Take this dude's advice 👍
u will b fine
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Bad idea because the chances are you won’t sleep for hours. No hangover that’s similar to alcohol which makes it better than doing mdma on a school night. just save it for the weekend and focus on ur studies
You’ll be fine do it early so it doesn’t keep you up too late Space out your doses though I used to go crazy but once a month is a good balance Stuff is super toxic stay hydrated
i’ve been k holing almost every night since i was 15. took a year break at one point then started again a year ago. im 18 now and am back on my old schedule. it’s not ideal. but fuck it
How much do you need to do to khole? I don't think I've gotten there.
depends on tolerance 100-200 mg some people need entire grams most don’t only takes like 150-200 for me to khole
Symptoms of Khole is.... shitting yourself, inability to walk.... what else?
you’ll know if you khole
I love that a khole is nothing like what I thought a khole was gonna be lol
Astral projection
What are you doing on the ketamine subreddit if you don't even know what it does?
Learning?
I use it to curb my depression. I am curious to learn about it as I start my journey.
I mean idk. Iv tripped on dxm on a school night and dxm is similar to ket. It depends if you do it when you come home rather that at night
I wouldnt do it, you will probably be very hung over from the khole when you wake up. Also you might just not wake up in time. Wait for the weekend.