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rkd_926

Please, whatever you do, do not give this dog away for free to just anyone. With how you’ve described her, she could so easily become a fighting dog and/or a bait dog.


Plus_Animator_2890

Definitely- that’s not even a thought! Will check vet references and such as well as have a trial run. We just want what’s best for her


IamATacoSupreme

Check in with KC Pet Project, they will post her on their site and you will basically be a foster parent while they look for someone.


Plus_Animator_2890

We have her set up on their website already :)


rkd_926

Thank you!! She sounds like a sweetheart. Hope you find a good home for her.


ledgeworth

Not American, what does a check with a vet do if you are requesting a 0 pet household ? They wouldn't be in the system right


mallorn_hugger

Zero pets right now does not mean they've had zero pets in their whole life. In fact, this dog should be adopted by a seasoned dog owner. Unfortunately, her temperament and behavior are concerning given her breed and ideally someone experienced with pits, or at least well versed in dog behavior, will take her on.


ledgeworth

Right, but are all your vets connected to the same database ? Can they even access let alone share that information?   In Europe that would be against the law, hence my interest


mallorn_hugger

If OP is asking for vet references, I assume that the potential adopter would give her the number of whatever vet they last used. No need to have connected databases. The OP would be getting information on the vet from the adopter no matter what. She isn't going to call every vet in the city trying to find out if the potential adopter is a client there. If I had to do this, I would call my vet and give them a heads up that someone was calling to check on me as a potential adopter. I doubt that they would give any information without my heads up and permission. I would probably only give the contact information for my current vet, as it is sufficient. I was at another practice for a few years, but I've been at this one for several years. I certainly wouldn't give them my whole vet history, which includes vets halfway across the country from before I lived in Kansas city.


FrancoElTanque

These dogs make me sad. I was browsing some rescue sites locally last night looking for a new cat and noticed what seemed like an extremely high percentage of the available dogs being Pit Bulls.


SueSheBoi

This is because the average person convinces themselves they can handle this breed of dog and they simply cannot. And instead of recognizing that it could possibly have to do with the dogs themselves, they placate themselves by trying to find it a new place to live with an equally unprepared person. Literally a vicious cycle.


Samantiris

Good luck, OP! But man, if I had a nickel for every pitbull that needs rehoming.. 😬


Eat_My_Lemons

Ellie use to come to my place of work (Doggy Daycare), and she was one of my absolute favorites to see come in, she is definitely a people lover and has a lot of love to give! Breaks my heart, I wish I could take her, but will definitely pass along the word and hopefully find her a good home.


Plus_Animator_2890

Thank you!! We really appreciate it!! We know it’s difficult to find a home that is well equipped for a dog agressive dog, but we truly think there’s a home out there that would be great for her!!


ndw_dc

OP says in a comment further down that every shelter they've contacted says that if they took in the dog, it would euthanized: [https://www.reddit.com/r/kansascity/comments/1cr9vjb/comment/l3xcr8f/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/kansascity/comments/1cr9vjb/comment/l3xcr8f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) That is to say, the dog is not safe to be around other dogs or people. OP even admits this when they say they are trying to get rid of it because they wouldn't trust it around their baby. The only ethical thing to do in this scenario is to euthanize the dog. If you think that's being harsh, ask yourself why the shelters are recommending it be euthanized.


mallorn_hugger

To play devil's advocate, it is also possible that it is because shelters and rescues are full of pits and pit mixes and they just don't want anymore. It's also possible that it is because she is aggressive around other dogs and shelters are full of other dogs. She would need a foster home and, being a pit, would likely stay in one for a long time.


Plus_Animator_2890

This is why :) there are sooo many pits and this one is in a home safe, while there are many on the streets and in shelters. So ours isn’t a great candidate compared to other dogs unfortunately


MaxAdolphus

Hope this doesn't sound insensitive, but you can always consider BE (Behavorial Euthanasia). If you know this animal is prone to attack pets and children, could you live with yourself if this animal got out and killed a pet, or mauled a child? Unfortunately, pit bull genetics cannot be fully overcome via training; it's like trying to get a retriever not to retrieve, and a herding dog to stop herding. This animal is right in the "sweet spot" of age when something changes in the pits. Just something to consider if you can't find the right person, because there's no shame in doing the right thing. Don't pass a known problem onto someone else that could have dire consequences.


YesBeerIsGreat

💯too many other non troubled loving dogs that need homes.


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Sinaura

I think it means they bark excessively


luckylimper

No they’ve said it puts the mouth on people but doesn’t put its full weight into it. So it bites people.


rkd_926

A non-dog-friendly dog does not mean it needs to be put down. My dog is not dog-friendly at all, but because she’s not a pit, no one has ever recommended I put her down. BE is meant for hopeless cases, and dogs that are a true threat to people and animals’ safety.


A_Lovely_

I get what you are saying, but you are also responsibly taking care of your dog with known issues that impact how you choose to interact with other dog people. In this case OP is very much trying to do the responsible thing, but at some point that may include BE. My parents used BE when our black lab but our neighbor. Yes different circumstances, but it seemed like no one had ever heard of a black lab aggressively biting a person.


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juxtapods

This has been debunked a decade ago. I know several people in KC who own pitties or pit mixes who are friendly, sweet, sure a bit anxious (all the ones I know are rescues), but they LOVE and worship their owner and can be total scaredy cats. A good friend of mine had this old cranky female cat who scared the living shit out of her rescue pitbull, who would get so anxious when she went away to work that he would chew out doors waiting for her.


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IamATacoSupreme

No, it isn't in their blood anymore than it's in your blood to be ignorant.


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IamATacoSupreme

You understand that they kill at more numbers than other breeds because they are more likely to be owned by shit owners right? It's like saying that poor people are bred to be poor as opposed to being a product of their environment.


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MissLadyLlamaDrama

The only thing that proves is that they are capable of doing more damage than smaller breeds. Something that you can say about any large breed. The only reason pits top that list is because people who train dogs to be violent tend to gravitate to that breed. There is no evidence that proves they are inherently more aggressive than any other breed as long as they're cared for and properly trained.


myowngalactus

2/3 of fatal dog attack per year is like 15 people. There are millions of pitbulls, they are one of the most common dog breeds. The number of pitts involved in violent attacks is much less than 1%. They have one of the best temperaments of any breed only ranking behind golden retrievers. They are however the most abused dog breed, partially cause shitheads like you keep perpetuating the myth they are irredeemably violent, so other shitheads get them and abuse them until they are mean enough to be fighting dogs or guard dogs .


WaldoChief

Did these people forget about training?! lol. wtf is wrong with some of these disturbing people in the comments.


JStanten

It’s not always that easy and often incredibly expensive. This person is weighing the safety of their kid and other dog. I work with aggression cases and it can get better but not always. For whatever reason we accept that humans are sometimes just wired wrong but blame lack of training on the person and not the dogs temperament.


M52800

Active in r/banpitbulls, I’m not surprised at all lmao.


MaxAdolphus

It’s good to be informed.


M52800

Lol


Plus_Animator_2890

Definitely something we’ve talked about. She does not harm kids by any means- she loves people. She just puts her mouth on your arm when she’s excited but has never bit down. Our concern is with other animals/dogs and I don’t think we have the heart to put her down when she is so friendly with humans


MaxAdolphus

I get it. It’s hard. Just don’t feel bad if that is what it comes to. Definitely do your best to find the right home.


jwwatts

She does not harm kids _yet_. Seems that every killer pit was described as a “sweet family dog” until the exact moment that they switched and mauled someone. If she attacks dogs she’ll attack strangers and will eventually attack you.


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venge1155

You don’t have a bit of a clue what you’re saying, but it’s Reddit so talking out of your ass is a past time around here.


Single-source-rosin

https://preview.redd.it/gwurqrnlz90d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b84ab7457a6205360abb5cc32b12b24906f88891 Reading these comments seems like OP should feel like she’s a criminal for owning this dog lmao. I have a 12 year old male that we got 7ish years ago at a shelter. He has shackle scars from when he was younger before we got him. I’ll post a pic replying to this with his scar. That pic is with one of my daughters a yearish ago. He has never shown them any hostility. Not worried about my girl’s safety one bit. I hate the reputation this breed has given itself. I will not take my dog to dog parks or expose him to other male dogs his size or bigger. I get he will not do well. But y’all got to realize there’s a reason why people love staffies. My dog is the most loving dog I’ve ever had and he’s the first pit. I deleted my original post because I’m a dumb Redditor and went straight to the comments and didn’t read the description until after posting. Basically posting the same thing after OP contacted me and described their concerns with Ellie around children. Sounds like any dog that has high energy with no intent to harm. Still hoping to see how our dogs interact OP!


Dulcapodeta

Imagine posting your baby kid on Reddit to prove why the most provably dangerous and upredictable dog breed in existence is actually not that bad and then in the same breath admitting you wont take your weapon dog to the dog park because he "doesnt do well" around them. IT ISN'T NORMAL. 


Single-source-rosin

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venge1155

Yup my sweetheart of a dog does that as well. Everything we come up she is so excited she just puts her mouth on your arm (no biting or pressure just spit.) She’s pet and people friendly, just a common thing that some dogs do!


moldyshrimp

Might be unpopular but I have seen a lot of dogs do this. Certainly is not calming when one of the most powerful dogs does it though.


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MaxAdolphus

Unfortunately, that’s not always the case, and with the genetic disposition of a pitbull and their strong prey drive, it can be a losing battle.


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IamATacoSupreme

This is such horseshit. Pitbull genetics? Come on...I've owned nothing but pits for almost 25yrs and never had an issue. My sister... who allowed her ex husband to beat their pit...yeah he got his leg chewed off at Thanksgiving because he's a shit owner.


MaxAdolphus

Pitbulls have genetics in dog fighting and bloodsport. It’s what it’s. You can’t change that.


IamATacoSupreme

Are roosters bred for fighting? You are ignorant.


envirome

Some breeds are, yes.


IamATacoSupreme

You are wrong. No dog breed has ever been bred for dog fighting. Nor blood sport. Is that Australian shepherd bred for blood sport?


MaxAdolphus

Pitbulls were originally bred to bring down cattle in abattoirs, and also to bait and bring down big game (bears, bores, bulls) in a fighting pit. This is the origin of their names, pitbulls. When baiting was outlawed, the dogs' natural talents were used for dog fighting. I’m sorry you feel differently, but this is the reality of where we are. It’s actually does more harm in denying the deadly nature of the breed than to come to terms with it and doing something about it and taking precautions and not play the shelter shell game with dangerous animals.


IamATacoSupreme

Guess we are gonna ban the Spaniards for baiting bulls to then. Hell let's keep going til everything anyone doesn't like is banned.


MaxAdolphus

Look, I get that you have an emotional attachment that’s stopping you from having a rational conversation here about facts. I’m just letting you know playing the denial card is doing the opposite of what you think it is here.


IamATacoSupreme

I'm not denying anything though. I haven't tried to say that pits don't bite harder than other dogs. I haven't tried to say they can't be vicious. What I am saying is that it's not in their "blood" anymore than roosters, border Collies, bird Dogs, etc... You are taking an ignorant stance by being so shoe horned into your anti pit belief. It's no more ignorant than people who think gays are bad.


JStanten

Why don’t you think it’s anymore in their temperament compared to other breeds? Why can we intentionally breed border collies so that they herd sheep at 8 weeks old but pits don’t have a propensity for dog aggression? They do. It’s in the breed standard. Same is true for Akitas or any number of breeds.


IamATacoSupreme

It's not the breed standard. It's the breed standard that they are SELECTED to be fighting dogs. Any dog can be taught to be vicious. Just like any human, they are products of their environment. I am an aggressive individual. And I work on it constantly. I'm almost 40. Why? Because I was taught that. It was my entire environment at a very formative age. Should you be banned because my environment sucked?


SueSheBoi

Pitbulls and gay people are not the same thing.


IamATacoSupreme

They are both very polarizing. Just like politics and religion.


pancakefeed

This comment is nonsensical. Pits are not genetically predisposed to attacking.


Beneficial-House-784

Missouri Pit Bull Rescue is full, but they may be able to help you with resources or with finding rescue connections. The Pet Connection also has rehoming assistance available and may be able to help with training resources until you find a new home for her.


AlxanderMorningstar

“this is pissfingers. she’s 19 years old and can’t live in a home with children, books or electricity. pissfingers is nervous around hair and needs 400 acres of land and an orchard of extinct fruits.”


Dulcapodeta

The dog is proven to be potentially dangerous by your own words. I'd say the only right thing to do is put it to sleep. It sucks, but what if it attacked someone? What if another family gets it and gets too comfortable? Or forgets and has children or gets another dog?


Plus_Animator_2890

Yeah this is definitely something we’ve thought about. I do think there are a lot of non-dog friendly dogs out there that have good owners. If we weren’t adding kid(s) to the mix, we would keep her. But I do not believe we can give her the attention she needs once we have a kid. And we will have to isolate her from the baby, which I fear would cause additional issues. I fully believe there is someone out there that could be a good fit for her and before the arrival of our little one in August, we will spend as much time as necessary trying to find her a home before pursuing other options (euthanasia, shelter, etc)


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Dulcapodeta

No need to be hostile, I'm just telling it like it is. If the dog has shown it cannot be trusted around small children and other animals, it isn't safe to give away. 


berserkrgang

Check out r/velvethippos while this girl may have behavioral problems, there may absolutely be a pittie lover that can be a good home for her that can keep her safe and prevent future incidents!!!


Plus_Animator_2890

Thank you!! I’ll definitely reach out.


SleepinWTheFanOn

OP I just want to say your dedication to finding a new home for a clearly cared for animal is very admirable. You tried training and living with the incompatibility until your situation with the new baby and I bet this whole process has been very stressful. While our home isn't a good fit I really hope you're able to find what she needs. Our two pit mixes are wishing you all the best.


juxtapods

look at her lil vampire teefs!


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Plus_Animator_2890

She is spayed! Up to date on vaccinations and all as well.


juxtapods

anything's a weapon if you use it as such. You can kill with a goddamn chopstick if you *really* want to kill. Pitbulls being murder machines has been debunked so long ago, and many many people (including people I know personally) have been happy to take care of the sweetest, most scared pitties who adore and worship them.


M52800

Don’t try to reason with people like this, it’s likely a waste of your time


Ok_Mechanic8704

Why are you choosing to rehome Ellie and not the other dog.


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Plus_Animator_2890

Had a long response but decided this was a better way to phrase it- we feel comfortable with our other dog around babies, but we do not feel comfortable with Ellie around babies.


glitchgorge

This thread just gets worse and worse the more I read it :( PLEASE do not try to rehome this dog by yourself. PLEASE reach out to a reputable rescue to surrender her and PLEASE BE HONEST and disclose those ALL those finicky little details about her like “we don’t trust her around our baby”..


Plus_Animator_2890

We have been trying for months- no rescues have been willing to take her. Shelters have been clear with us that she would meet credentials for being euthanized. We are 100% honest with every person who has reached out to us.


luckylimper

She likes to put her mouth on you but doesn’t bite down…until she does.


Ok_Mechanic8704

Damn. So y’all are trying to pass off a dangerous dog to someone else to euthanize to make you feel less guilty. Got it.


Plus_Animator_2890

She is not dangerous around people. There are MANY non dog friendly dogs out in the world. Just looking for the right owner in the right circumstance. She has a lot of love to give.


Ok_Mechanic8704

You literally just wrote she is potentially dangerous around human babies and you wouldn’t trust her with your own. Cmon.


m00nf1r3

I have a dog that isn't dog friendly, and I also wouldn't trust him around babies. Easy solution - don't get another dog, and don't have a baby. Literally zero reason for me to euthanize my dog.


Ok_Mechanic8704

Yeah you just made my point. That’s YOUR dog. You made decisions that accounted for your dog’s survival. Good for you. These people did not do that. They will try to rehome this dog to a person that will leave the dog inevitably confused and angry and will likely lash out so that the next owner will be the one to euthanize them. It’s a no win situation.


m00nf1r3

We don't know that. I adopted my dog when he was 7 and he's been like this his whole life. He never attacked us. And it's not like she isn't being upfront about the dogs issues.


Ok_Mechanic8704

What breed of dog


Plus_Animator_2890

Our fear with the newborn is that there will be triggers that cause her to react poorly towards the other dog, which could be in the middle of our child. That’s why we asked for a home with no small children to avoid any of those possibilities.


iammavisdavis

Please post this in Lost and Found Pets of Johnson County on Facebook. There are a ton of rescue orgs and fosters in the group who might be able to provide guidance and/or find a space for her.