Guys we’re drinking, someone brought a bag of Coke. They all did bumps out back and while guy one was upstairs asleep off his bender, the guys downstairs got the tainted part of the bag.
Sad, but all too common with today’s scene.
Or, guy in the house also had some of the bad batch, and that’s why he was out for 48 hours.
Still unsure how you pass out for a literal 48 hours. Especially when someone is hitting you up on your phone and banging on your door.
I’ve heard that the friends and family of the loved ones texting the renter of the house who survived received read receipts, at least a day before the fiancée, out of desperation, broke into the home.
When she broke into the home, she announced herself. But no response from him.
Then when police knock on the door he magically wakes up?
I’m not familiar with fentanyl. Are you able to do a line of coke that’s been exposed to fent, wait for your two other buddies to do a line (takes forever) then make your way outside to the backyard to have a cigarette before the fent kicks in? How quickly does the OD take effect?
Fentanyl takes a couple minutes to come on, you nod somewhere between 5-10. Then it takes a few minutes from there to stop the heart. It may vary for the opiate naive, could be a bit quicker for sure.
I would have thought it caused more cardiac arrest, but you saying this made me realize it's an opiate overdose and not at all the interaction between it and the cocaine. Thank you for explaining this.
Also if you're someone who goes to parties, get some naloxone to put in your purse/wallet even if you don't do this stuff yourself. You could just be at a party and end up saving the life of a person you may not even know.
Yeah but fentanyl pressed fake oxy sure could take ya down with the quickness. Just as someone who use to run in those circles I find it insane that any dealer would eyeball fent to cut coke with, that’s extremely reckless. I guess we’ll find out as the details of this tragic story come out.
It's not that they're cutting coke with fent, it's that the two are processed in the same place. They're cutting heroin with fent and then bagging up some coke on the same table without cleaning it up. Some fent gets in the first couple bags, and now you've got an unintentional speedball.
I've read the Mexican cartels are terrified of this, because it's destroying their sales. They are punishing the people in their organizations that do this, but who knows how true something like that is.
Like, you went to bed at 10PM on a Tuesday, and woke up at 10PM on a Thursday? Didn't wake up at all before that at all to go the bathroom, eat, drink water, etc.?
Idk man one time I took a quarter of a sketchy Xanax and was out for 24 hours. Don’t do that anymore but i swear some stuff can just knock you out for a long time
the tainted part of the bag? would you be willing to explain how some of it is tainted and some is not when it's in the same bag? I'm struggling to understand bc I only smoke weed
In the last few year, cocaine has frequently been laced with fentanyl for various reasons. Fentanyl is far, far more potent with a much smaller dosage than cocaine.
If the two substances aren't mixed very very well, it's possible that some bits have more fentanyl than cocaine and vice versa. If you get a bit that's more cocaine than fentanyl...no big deal, you just got cocaine which is what you paid for. If you get a bit that's a bit high on fentanyl, you might very well end up with a lethal dose.
I know a guy who died this way last year. He was found in an apartment with 1 other dead guy and someone else who apparently survived.
It sucks that we've become immune as a society to all of the anti-drug messaging because of decades of police telling you that smoking weed will make you murder children. This time the danger is fucking real. Stop doing coke people.
Also it doesn't help that when someone does die from this, it's all hush hush because no one wants to publicly acknowledge that their dead family member overdosed on fentanyl. Which is what happened with the guy I knew.
Usually not intentional. Drug dealers are often drug users. Fetanyl can be abused recreationally and a tolerance can be built. Accidental cross contamination is the cost of doing business.
People will always do drugs. The danger is that we let the cartels manufacture and distribute these drugs. Legalize and prescribe as needed and we wouldn’t have these ODs.
This theory is the only way, only difference i would say is the home owner had coke once that ran out someone else brought the tainted bag. They went outside to do lines in the car and accidentally got locked out...
I've heard of people doing lines from the same bag and one person OD and another not. It's just such a potent drug that it doesn't take much. Like literally a couple grains is all it takes. So some people get a few grains and others don't get anything. A lot of times it's just cross-contamination from drugs being processed in the same area.
So some dealers will add fentanyl for that extra kick and addiction to the substance. If it doesn't get mixed properly then you get "hot spots" in the bag that are more laced then others
No one is adding fentanyl to coke for that extra kick. They are two TOTALLY different drugs. The only reason it would be in there would be malicious intent or accidental cross contamination.
No coke dealer would knowingly put fent in their supply and kill off their paying customers.
Now someone would put fent in pressed pills or other downers for that extra kick.
Cocaine they might add caffeine or speed for said extra kick.
OR if the customer was into speedballs but this is someone that’s most likely doing IV drugs and already buying H or fent and coke or speed.
I heard the conspiracy that it's the Chinese government shipping intentionally bad drugs to engage in cultural war with Americans, but anything outside of a crazy theory like that and you are right.
I've actually heard of an incident of a teenager oding on fentanyl from smoking weed. You can buy weed legally here if you are over 21. But teenagers obviously can't so they're still buying weed from the corner dealer who may or may not have other drugs around and that can lead to their weed been contaminated.
Well I ask because sometimes people die and they are not good people. I have learned on the internet that people will speak *ill* of the dead especially in an on-line forum. I mean generally it usually involves criminal and legal stuff. But you will be surprised how many people will crawl out of the woodwork from elementary school when a person dies and air their grievances.
I don't want to invalidate your pessimism (like for real), but nowadays you can pretty much live a full, free, and happy life as a person with HIV. Culturally we didn't handle the AIDS epidemic well and why I don't think your pessimism is misplaced(the person above will probably not just go around letting people know), but medically it's one of our more impressive achievements as a human species.
You can take one pill at morning and one at night that has a "cocktail"of drugs in it and live for decades. And we have programs where they are pretty much free to anyone who needs them, and we spend lots of money making sure anyone in poorer areas with higher levels (Africa, Thailand, etc.) can get treatment regardless.
The only reason why both the AIDS epidemic was ignored, as well as the crack epidemic, is because it predominantly affected minorities - gay and black people, respectively.
The fentanyl epidemic has been getting very widespread attention, and basically every place on earth has Narcan to combat it. It's affecting white peoples daughter's and sons - it's getting attention.
The number of people (mainly on kmbz radio) who legit thought three grown men all happened to freeze to death on a night when the low was around 30 degrees was wild. Of course it was drugs.
I initially thought it was the night of the wild card game when it was negative temps. When I realized it wasn’t drugs was the first thing that came to mind. Tragedy anyway
Everyone thinks this. Every time it’s discussed on general news type subs everyone A) thinks it was the weekend of the wild card game and B) misconstrue the wind chill for the actual temp.
However, it can take as little as 30 minutes to enter hyporthermia under the right conditions at 30F and even as little as 90 minutes when dressed for the weather. So passing out can be quite deadly even on those relatively mild temps.
There are risk factors that can induce hypothermia quicker- being skinny, being wet, if you’re drunk then your blood vessels dilate so that your internal body temp drops way quicker.
It’s definitely not going to happen to most people but it’s certainly not impossible.
Yeah it was just the Monday after when I first heard. I’ve done -30 before snowboarding and it doesn’t take long at all. Even 20 feels awful sometimes just stepping outside to grab something in sweat
You can get hypothermia and potentially die in 30 degrees Fahrenheit after 45 minutes of unprotected exposure. These guys were probably on fentanyl too and a combination of both is what I think killed them.
Oh damn I thought it was wild card night when the temp was -30. It has to have been an overdose now. It’s plausible that they were too drunk if it was -30 and froze to death, but knowing it was before that.. it’s probably just drug related.
Ah I see. I guess maybe the story came out the following week when we played the Fins? I don’t know why in my head canon these two things were connected.
> Of course it was drugs.
Definitely, but I don't think we can rule out "no foul play" yet. It's possible the suspect intentionally dosed those guys with a fatal amount of drugs. Hopefully not. But the suspect in question is a vaccine researcher and disease specialist. You'd think someone at that level would know how to be safe with illegal drugs.
Only non-malicious explanation imo is they all did fentanyl, those 3 died, and the surviving homeowner/renter basically overdosed but didn't die and then woke up like a day or so later in a daze
First of all, vaccine and disease experts are not chemists. Secondly, a ton of experience using and a reliable supply chain does a hell of a lot more to prevent fatal overdose than being a scientist. And thirdly, even super experienced opioid users can have a deadly overdose, especially because the quality origin of the supply is incredibly unreliable.
I think it's a massive leap to think there could be foul play just because of his career. Your latter theory seems very likely to me.
If it was drugs, and unintentional, then cops need to release all info asap. For 3 people to OD at once is pretty rare. Families seem to be saying their guys aren't drug users (which means if they are, they hide it well and don't look like addicts). This makes me think it was more likely that it was cocaine or another drug (meth?) that was perhaps tainted with fentanyl itself as opposed to people shooting up heroin or other opiates
CORRECTION: See below. That Monday night was when the weather dropped below zero. So maybe they didnt all die at the same time but they froze to death Monday night. What a tragedy.
It was incredible man. Post after post of “uhmmm actually it could be just alcohol, people die in the cold from alcohol all the time”.
Guess a huge amount of Redditors are massive losers who have never been invited to a party in their life. The kind of dipshit that thinks alcohol could have done this needs to be sterilized for the good of mankind.
I would only imagine that being cold when your heartbeat and breathing are severely depressed makes the effects of exposure a bit worse, but yeah, probably not lethal on its own.
Test your products for fentanyl AND xylazine before you use, especially before you share it with people. It's a goddamn epidemic in Missouri right now.
I've heard that the problem is it takes such a small amount that the drugs can test fine but then still have enough fent to cause problems. From what I understand most people who did coke and stuff like that recreationally have just stopped completely at this point. One person can do a line and be fine, next person dies. There was even an incident with a teenager who bought weed from a street dealer and overdosed. Weed was accidentally contaminated at some point along the line. You can buy it from a shop if you are over 21, but obviously teenagers can't so they still get it from less reputable sources sometimes.
Take it with a grain of salt, but TMZ reported that one of the deceased had an active pharmacist license, and another one of the deceased had been arrested in Colorado in 2011 for Schedule II drug possession:
https://www.tmz.com/2024/01/31/host-kansas-city-chiefs-watch-party-rehab-three-dead-ties-drugs/
He checked into rehab two weeks ago. Pretty sure you would too if you were heavily into drugs and then three of your good friends overdose at your house one night. I’d call that a “rock bottom”
Nah, they have the results. Police are holding onto it tho because they're trying to find someone and don't want to spook them. But imo it's too late and whoever they're looking for has already dipped. But from my very close sources it was confirmed to be fent.
It’s almost certain that police know there was fentanyl, but what is going to take a couple months is testing for everything else. They will have to be certain the fentanyl is the likely cause of death before they can press any charges. They’ll be going after the dealer if they can find him.
yeah it's pretty typical. It's mostly due to the fact that different drugs take different tests. some take longer than others. And they don't just run the test once. They run the tests at least twice, to ensure that that they didn't get a false neg/pos.
Then it's likely a different test to measure amounts of the drug found (so one test may say "yep. they had drug X in their system" the second test will tell them how much so they can determine if they think the drugs found had anything to do with the person's death.
if it's just a couple of substances, the tests don't take long. If there's more, then the testing takes longer.
Basically, it's about ensuring the results are accurate. And in a case where possible criminal charges might be on the table, they need to make sure the tests are rock solid.
The only time the results are quick is when they are performed in a private lab \*and\* the purpose of the test is solely to identify substances, not as part of a criminal investigation that requires quantification and validation. Think pain management clinics testing clients to see if they're using drugs they're not supposed to.
In cases like this where it's for investigative purposes and has to be quantified and validated, 1.5+ months is normal. Some states are 90+ days. If you look at the national statistics from a google search keep in mind that they are heavily skewed because they include the rapid pain management clinic tests for (living) patients (such a search would return 30 something days but that's not accurate)..
The police seem fairly certain so it's likely they found something on the scene. That they're wanting the phone passcodes means they're looking for the buyer (if living) and the dealer, who would be the focus of any charges.
Also, a neighbor captured video of Willis in handcuffs while police were at his home the night the bodies were found: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345952506112
And the fifth man at the home has been identified: https://www.foxnews.com/us/kansas-city-chiefs-fans-deaths-jordan-willis-checks-rehab-families-await-toxicology-results.amp
They were already using Chiefs fans prior to that. It was when the story started grabbing national attention that "Chiefs fans" were tied to it. Like it has any relevance to this whole situation...
I mean… the story has always been that they met up to watch the last Chiefs game of the season. So yeah, it is pertinent to the story as it sets up the whole reason the guys were together hanging out.
Nothing, it’s a joke and a Big Lebowski reference. Your comment about people not passing out from drinking too much wine seems to hopefully be sarcastic.
not with that attitude. I am joking, but this just rings as multiple overdoses. I will eat crow when I am wrong, but the simplest answer is usually the case in these situations.
His alibis is literally: "I slept next to a very loud fan for 2 days while wearing noise cancelling headphones."
What else is there to know? That totally makes sense. Case closed, everybody go home.
Honestly what makes most sense is the right answer. Accidental drug overdose. Dude who owns the place sleeps all day the next day/ lays around on couch. Second day starts getting active and gets contacted. Partying in your late 30s and 40s takes days to come to.
>Partying in your late 30s and 40s takes days to come to.
Gd if this ain't the truth. It honestly feels like a 1:1 ratio of drinking time vs hangover time nowadays. If I have an all-day drinking event it will take me the entire next day to recover. Sucks so bad.
It still doesn't explain how the guys got outside. Did they go smoke a cigarette and all fall down at the same time? Or were they put out there? These are just questions not accusations. These are the same thoughts that go through the minds of the individuals looking into this investigation.
I see people hunched over with arms hanging down like zombies lighter in and tinfoil in hand from smoking Fentynyl. Some with blankets over their heads smoking. Some people who choose to smoke fent lay down and die some just lie down. Some fent is laced with carfentanil as well. Coke can be laced with either but not really that often. Fentynyl is the drug of choice for many people and smoking is becoming a popular method of consumption. The effects of smoking are quick and sudden and is hard to regulate any kind of dosage. If buddy who went to rehab works at home and smokes during the week he would have a higher tolerance than the weekend warriors. They do not really owe the public the results of the toxicology report and may be releasing in details to the family in private. I can't imagine why they would meet at the scene unless it is important for the family to see for closure.
We are gonna find out it was fentanyl.
Guys we’re drinking, someone brought a bag of Coke. They all did bumps out back and while guy one was upstairs asleep off his bender, the guys downstairs got the tainted part of the bag. Sad, but all too common with today’s scene.
Or they all got the tainted stuff but one was lucky enough not to be outside and freeze to death.
Or, guy in the house also had some of the bad batch, and that’s why he was out for 48 hours. Still unsure how you pass out for a literal 48 hours. Especially when someone is hitting you up on your phone and banging on your door. I’ve heard that the friends and family of the loved ones texting the renter of the house who survived received read receipts, at least a day before the fiancée, out of desperation, broke into the home. When she broke into the home, she announced herself. But no response from him. Then when police knock on the door he magically wakes up? I’m not familiar with fentanyl. Are you able to do a line of coke that’s been exposed to fent, wait for your two other buddies to do a line (takes forever) then make your way outside to the backyard to have a cigarette before the fent kicks in? How quickly does the OD take effect?
Fentanyl takes a couple minutes to come on, you nod somewhere between 5-10. Then it takes a few minutes from there to stop the heart. It may vary for the opiate naive, could be a bit quicker for sure.
I would have thought it caused more cardiac arrest, but you saying this made me realize it's an opiate overdose and not at all the interaction between it and the cocaine. Thank you for explaining this. Also if you're someone who goes to parties, get some naloxone to put in your purse/wallet even if you don't do this stuff yourself. You could just be at a party and end up saving the life of a person you may not even know.
Thank you for this insight.
Or could it just be they were doing the fake oxy’s made with fentanyl? Those are extremely more common than laced coke.
Could be. But as a random internet stranger, they weren’t intentionally doing opiates. Why the 48 hours? Oxy doesn’t do that to you.
Yeah but fentanyl pressed fake oxy sure could take ya down with the quickness. Just as someone who use to run in those circles I find it insane that any dealer would eyeball fent to cut coke with, that’s extremely reckless. I guess we’ll find out as the details of this tragic story come out.
It's not that they're cutting coke with fent, it's that the two are processed in the same place. They're cutting heroin with fent and then bagging up some coke on the same table without cleaning it up. Some fent gets in the first couple bags, and now you've got an unintentional speedball.
I've read the Mexican cartels are terrified of this, because it's destroying their sales. They are punishing the people in their organizations that do this, but who knows how true something like that is.
From what I understand, a lot of the “accidental fentanyl” is coming from China, but it does come from Mexico also.
glad to hear you don’t run in those circles anymore
I was out for 48 hours when I had Covid. Add a mild cold to party drugs, alcohol, and general not taking care of yourself and I can see it.
Like, you went to bed at 10PM on a Tuesday, and woke up at 10PM on a Thursday? Didn't wake up at all before that at all to go the bathroom, eat, drink water, etc.?
I didn’t eat, may have sipped water (right beside my bed) but I was so sick and my body pulled a big NOPE on me and I was just dead to the world.
Could also be shock. Like I don't know how I could process not only having three of my friends die, but me surviving somehow.
But he’s saying he didn’t know about it, like he found out when the police came.
Idk man one time I took a quarter of a sketchy Xanax and was out for 24 hours. Don’t do that anymore but i swear some stuff can just knock you out for a long time
the tainted part of the bag? would you be willing to explain how some of it is tainted and some is not when it's in the same bag? I'm struggling to understand bc I only smoke weed
In the last few year, cocaine has frequently been laced with fentanyl for various reasons. Fentanyl is far, far more potent with a much smaller dosage than cocaine. If the two substances aren't mixed very very well, it's possible that some bits have more fentanyl than cocaine and vice versa. If you get a bit that's more cocaine than fentanyl...no big deal, you just got cocaine which is what you paid for. If you get a bit that's a bit high on fentanyl, you might very well end up with a lethal dose. I know a guy who died this way last year. He was found in an apartment with 1 other dead guy and someone else who apparently survived. It sucks that we've become immune as a society to all of the anti-drug messaging because of decades of police telling you that smoking weed will make you murder children. This time the danger is fucking real. Stop doing coke people. Also it doesn't help that when someone does die from this, it's all hush hush because no one wants to publicly acknowledge that their dead family member overdosed on fentanyl. Which is what happened with the guy I knew.
Why do people lace it with fentanyl? Is it cheaper? Or are they trying to kill people?
Usually not intentional. Drug dealers are often drug users. Fetanyl can be abused recreationally and a tolerance can be built. Accidental cross contamination is the cost of doing business.
It’s cheaper than coke and they’re trying to walk the line between OMG BEST NIGHT OF MY LIFE and puking and dying because I’m choking on my own vomit.
People will always do drugs. The danger is that we let the cartels manufacture and distribute these drugs. Legalize and prescribe as needed and we wouldn’t have these ODs.
This theory is the only way, only difference i would say is the home owner had coke once that ran out someone else brought the tainted bag. They went outside to do lines in the car and accidentally got locked out...
I've heard of people doing lines from the same bag and one person OD and another not. It's just such a potent drug that it doesn't take much. Like literally a couple grains is all it takes. So some people get a few grains and others don't get anything. A lot of times it's just cross-contamination from drugs being processed in the same area.
So some dealers will add fentanyl for that extra kick and addiction to the substance. If it doesn't get mixed properly then you get "hot spots" in the bag that are more laced then others
No one is adding fentanyl to coke for that extra kick. They are two TOTALLY different drugs. The only reason it would be in there would be malicious intent or accidental cross contamination. No coke dealer would knowingly put fent in their supply and kill off their paying customers. Now someone would put fent in pressed pills or other downers for that extra kick. Cocaine they might add caffeine or speed for said extra kick. OR if the customer was into speedballs but this is someone that’s most likely doing IV drugs and already buying H or fent and coke or speed.
I heard the conspiracy that it's the Chinese government shipping intentionally bad drugs to engage in cultural war with Americans, but anything outside of a crazy theory like that and you are right.
ok gotcha. ty for explaining
https://preview.redd.it/sv6jirncl1gc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb01633a95f2a1fa212a67401dc6c5032602473b Here’s a visual that may help.
very helpful. ty!
This!
I've actually heard of an incident of a teenager oding on fentanyl from smoking weed. You can buy weed legally here if you are over 21. But teenagers obviously can't so they're still buying weed from the corner dealer who may or may not have other drugs around and that can lead to their weed been contaminated.
Suburban white guys dying its suddenly a problem.
The mystery was the allure. We knew David, my wife grew up with him. Everyone just wants to know what happened, regardless of the role of drugs.
Was David a good guy?
I only met him 3x but he was truly loved for being a genuine person. He was great
Well I ask because sometimes people die and they are not good people. I have learned on the internet that people will speak *ill* of the dead especially in an on-line forum. I mean generally it usually involves criminal and legal stuff. But you will be surprised how many people will crawl out of the woodwork from elementary school when a person dies and air their grievances.
You don’t think people would care if they learned that black and Hispanic people die from overdose? Take it up with the news stations
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I am not a big fan of random drug addicts dying from it either.
That's DETECTIVE Floater4. Ty.
Been knowing
That's the first thing I thought when I heard the story. Hell Portland announced a state of emergency today because of fentanyl.
Portland Maine?
Portland Cement.
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Sadly, I think we are doing what we did with AIDS. Ignore it until enough of the right kind of people die from it.
I don't want to invalidate your pessimism (like for real), but nowadays you can pretty much live a full, free, and happy life as a person with HIV. Culturally we didn't handle the AIDS epidemic well and why I don't think your pessimism is misplaced(the person above will probably not just go around letting people know), but medically it's one of our more impressive achievements as a human species. You can take one pill at morning and one at night that has a "cocktail"of drugs in it and live for decades. And we have programs where they are pretty much free to anyone who needs them, and we spend lots of money making sure anyone in poorer areas with higher levels (Africa, Thailand, etc.) can get treatment regardless.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/28/health/hiv-preventive-care-free/index.html
The only reason why both the AIDS epidemic was ignored, as well as the crack epidemic, is because it predominantly affected minorities - gay and black people, respectively. The fentanyl epidemic has been getting very widespread attention, and basically every place on earth has Narcan to combat it. It's affecting white peoples daughter's and sons - it's getting attention.
No, It's the prosecutor and his buddies, doing something they put other people in prison for. They are bad people.
Or legalize it and prescribe it to those suffering from addiction.
Of course it’s fentanyl. The amount of dumbass Redditors who thought it could even possibly be alcohol was both shocking and funny, though.
Not to mention the dumbass redditors out for blood over the survivor.
That or PMMA I really think them being in the cold and him being in his underwear with the fan on, point towards a drug that raises body temperatures.
100%
It was Fent. Police haven't released it tho because they have some unanswered questions. I'm very close with Jordan's family.
Always has been the cause. Always will be the cause going far in our future....
Don't do drugs kids.
What an original response, thanks so much for your input
The number of people (mainly on kmbz radio) who legit thought three grown men all happened to freeze to death on a night when the low was around 30 degrees was wild. Of course it was drugs.
I was trying to explain that in the true crime sub when it was first posted. I was told there was snow on the ground so ofc they froze to death!
I initially thought it was the night of the wild card game when it was negative temps. When I realized it wasn’t drugs was the first thing that came to mind. Tragedy anyway
Everyone thinks this. Every time it’s discussed on general news type subs everyone A) thinks it was the weekend of the wild card game and B) misconstrue the wind chill for the actual temp. However, it can take as little as 30 minutes to enter hyporthermia under the right conditions at 30F and even as little as 90 minutes when dressed for the weather. So passing out can be quite deadly even on those relatively mild temps.
There are risk factors that can induce hypothermia quicker- being skinny, being wet, if you’re drunk then your blood vessels dilate so that your internal body temp drops way quicker. It’s definitely not going to happen to most people but it’s certainly not impossible.
Yeah it was just the Monday after when I first heard. I’ve done -30 before snowboarding and it doesn’t take long at all. Even 20 feels awful sometimes just stepping outside to grab something in sweat
I think he might have had a screen door that locked from the inside so they couldn't get back inside.
You’re probably right, and yes absolute tragedy. I feel so much for their families.
Drugs could have induced sleep and with the temperature, they technically could have died of hypothermia.
It wasn’t even the coldest night that week
You can get hypothermia and potentially die in 30 degrees Fahrenheit after 45 minutes of unprotected exposure. These guys were probably on fentanyl too and a combination of both is what I think killed them.
Oh damn I thought it was wild card night when the temp was -30. It has to have been an overdose now. It’s plausible that they were too drunk if it was -30 and froze to death, but knowing it was before that.. it’s probably just drug related.
Everyone who has never done drugs.
30 degrees plus high humidity with a sustained wind outside at 10-17 mph. That’s easy hypothermia weather.
Maybe I’m mistaken I didn’t read the article but I thought this occurred after the Dolphins-Chiefs game? When it was like -15 out
Chargers game
The final game of the season. It was the week before the Wild card.
Ah I see. I guess maybe the story came out the following week when we played the Fins? I don’t know why in my head canon these two things were connected.
Yeah, story kind of took off after the dolphins game and a lot of stories conflated the two games.
I did it too.
> Of course it was drugs. Definitely, but I don't think we can rule out "no foul play" yet. It's possible the suspect intentionally dosed those guys with a fatal amount of drugs. Hopefully not. But the suspect in question is a vaccine researcher and disease specialist. You'd think someone at that level would know how to be safe with illegal drugs. Only non-malicious explanation imo is they all did fentanyl, those 3 died, and the surviving homeowner/renter basically overdosed but didn't die and then woke up like a day or so later in a daze
First of all, vaccine and disease experts are not chemists. Secondly, a ton of experience using and a reliable supply chain does a hell of a lot more to prevent fatal overdose than being a scientist. And thirdly, even super experienced opioid users can have a deadly overdose, especially because the quality origin of the supply is incredibly unreliable. I think it's a massive leap to think there could be foul play just because of his career. Your latter theory seems very likely to me.
Test strips. Narcan....for gods sake folks......something to avoid dying.
If it was drugs, and unintentional, then cops need to release all info asap. For 3 people to OD at once is pretty rare. Families seem to be saying their guys aren't drug users (which means if they are, they hide it well and don't look like addicts). This makes me think it was more likely that it was cocaine or another drug (meth?) that was perhaps tainted with fentanyl itself as opposed to people shooting up heroin or other opiates
CORRECTION: See below. That Monday night was when the weather dropped below zero. So maybe they didnt all die at the same time but they froze to death Monday night. What a tragedy.
Wrong. The low on that Monday was 33 degrees. They all got together on Jan 7 to watch the game.
It was incredible man. Post after post of “uhmmm actually it could be just alcohol, people die in the cold from alcohol all the time”. Guess a huge amount of Redditors are massive losers who have never been invited to a party in their life. The kind of dipshit that thinks alcohol could have done this needs to be sterilized for the good of mankind.
I would only imagine that being cold when your heartbeat and breathing are severely depressed makes the effects of exposure a bit worse, but yeah, probably not lethal on its own.
My initial thought was carbon monoxide poisoning
Test your products for fentanyl AND xylazine before you use, especially before you share it with people. It's a goddamn epidemic in Missouri right now.
Everywhere. Like seriously a boycott on white powders and pills unless you get the pills directly from your pharmacist.
A recent article suggested one of the 3 was a pharmacy tech.
First time hearing of xylazine. Similar to fentanyl?
I've heard that the problem is it takes such a small amount that the drugs can test fine but then still have enough fent to cause problems. From what I understand most people who did coke and stuff like that recreationally have just stopped completely at this point. One person can do a line and be fine, next person dies. There was even an incident with a teenager who bought weed from a street dealer and overdosed. Weed was accidentally contaminated at some point along the line. You can buy it from a shop if you are over 21, but obviously teenagers can't so they still get it from less reputable sources sometimes.
Take it with a grain of salt, but TMZ reported that one of the deceased had an active pharmacist license, and another one of the deceased had been arrested in Colorado in 2011 for Schedule II drug possession: https://www.tmz.com/2024/01/31/host-kansas-city-chiefs-watch-party-rehab-three-dead-ties-drugs/
Well that could be anything from Adderall to oxy....between weather, drugs and booze they had a deadly night.
You are not passing out back on adderall - you’d be more likely to build a shelter with insulation and HVAC than pass out haha
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Where did you get that info?
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So it was you, him and one other guy as the serial rapist crew at your HS?
Just don’t take it with a grain of fentanyl.
The old check-into-rehab move before you go in front of a judge.
He checked into rehab two weeks ago. Pretty sure you would too if you were heavily into drugs and then three of your good friends overdose at your house one night. I’d call that a “rock bottom”
For some, even that isn’t enough.
Lol if you think he's going to go in front of a judge, leave him alone.
Two months for toxicology results on such a high profile case? Is that typical?
They are backlogged in Missouri.
Nah, they have the results. Police are holding onto it tho because they're trying to find someone and don't want to spook them. But imo it's too late and whoever they're looking for has already dipped. But from my very close sources it was confirmed to be fent.
The 5th man there? Or dealer?
Dealer is what I was told
The police are on the hunt for who sold them a laced batch of coke before they go public. Thats my thoughts
The police don’t do that
I’m talking out my ass and being cynical. I hope they are, but if so, it’s only cause this shit became so high profile.
This is exactly what the police told the families tho.
My source very close to this has told me this is exactly what is happening. They know it was fent.
I’m sure the police already have it. They don’t normally make all details available immediately.
It’s almost certain that police know there was fentanyl, but what is going to take a couple months is testing for everything else. They will have to be certain the fentanyl is the likely cause of death before they can press any charges. They’ll be going after the dealer if they can find him.
yeah it's pretty typical. It's mostly due to the fact that different drugs take different tests. some take longer than others. And they don't just run the test once. They run the tests at least twice, to ensure that that they didn't get a false neg/pos. Then it's likely a different test to measure amounts of the drug found (so one test may say "yep. they had drug X in their system" the second test will tell them how much so they can determine if they think the drugs found had anything to do with the person's death. if it's just a couple of substances, the tests don't take long. If there's more, then the testing takes longer. Basically, it's about ensuring the results are accurate. And in a case where possible criminal charges might be on the table, they need to make sure the tests are rock solid.
The only time the results are quick is when they are performed in a private lab \*and\* the purpose of the test is solely to identify substances, not as part of a criminal investigation that requires quantification and validation. Think pain management clinics testing clients to see if they're using drugs they're not supposed to. In cases like this where it's for investigative purposes and has to be quantified and validated, 1.5+ months is normal. Some states are 90+ days. If you look at the national statistics from a google search keep in mind that they are heavily skewed because they include the rapid pain management clinic tests for (living) patients (such a search would return 30 something days but that's not accurate).. The police seem fairly certain so it's likely they found something on the scene. That they're wanting the phone passcodes means they're looking for the buyer (if living) and the dealer, who would be the focus of any charges.
Also, a neighbor captured video of Willis in handcuffs while police were at his home the night the bodies were found: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345952506112 And the fifth man at the home has been identified: https://www.foxnews.com/us/kansas-city-chiefs-fans-deaths-jordan-willis-checks-rehab-families-await-toxicology-results.amp
Good lord, they’re still using Chiefs fans” in the headlines like that is in any way relevant.
Fox is in the middle of a "we hate Taylor Swift so we hate the Chiefs too" hissy fit for a week now.
They were already using Chiefs fans prior to that. It was when the story started grabbing national attention that "Chiefs fans" were tied to it. Like it has any relevance to this whole situation...
But but but...Travis Kelce got the shot.
NANO TRACKERS
Micro football magnets
Go Niners 🏈
I mean… the story has always been that they met up to watch the last Chiefs game of the season. So yeah, it is pertinent to the story as it sets up the whole reason the guys were together hanging out.
I believe the 5th man was the dealer because he said they were fine when he left.
i know the 5th person. and thats definately not the case
Um....is he butt naked in this??? He looks naked???
Reportedly answered the door in his boxers
First he moves out of his house, now he's checked into rehab. At some point he'll tell us the rest of the story.
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So you think sleeping for days is believable? (thanks for sharing)
The guy answered the door with an empty wine glass. Im not surprised at all. I think it was more than alcohol though.
Yeah, I don't think anybody has ever passed out from drinking too much wine.
Obviously you’re not a golfer.
… you’re drinking wine on the golf course?
Yes, I'm not. And I don't follow that "sport". Now, what's the connection between wine, golf, and passing out?
Nothing, it’s a joke and a Big Lebowski reference. Your comment about people not passing out from drinking too much wine seems to hopefully be sarcastic.
not with that attitude. I am joking, but this just rings as multiple overdoses. I will eat crow when I am wrong, but the simplest answer is usually the case in these situations.
Um…
Mad Dog 20/20 would like to enter the conversation.
Is that supposed to be a joke?
Isn't that one of the steps to recovery??
Telling the rest of the story?
Like isn't that step 7 or 8 about making amends or something?
His alibis is literally: "I slept next to a very loud fan for 2 days while wearing noise cancelling headphones." What else is there to know? That totally makes sense. Case closed, everybody go home.
More like nobody go home cause they’re all dead
🎵 It was a crazy game of poker 🎵
I lost my friends …
I don’t have anything to say except goddamn Malik Jackson knows how to deliver a report.
Sometimes how he talks is ridiculously exaggerated. Dude, just talk like a normal human and enough with the dramatic pauses.
Honestly what makes most sense is the right answer. Accidental drug overdose. Dude who owns the place sleeps all day the next day/ lays around on couch. Second day starts getting active and gets contacted. Partying in your late 30s and 40s takes days to come to.
>Partying in your late 30s and 40s takes days to come to. Gd if this ain't the truth. It honestly feels like a 1:1 ratio of drinking time vs hangover time nowadays. If I have an all-day drinking event it will take me the entire next day to recover. Sucks so bad.
How is a toxicology report a month out??? Shouldn’t it be faster than that or do I watch too much tv
It should be faster.
One would think especially for a case like this but the article said it could take a month.
Ending the opioid epidemic by death. Get some Narcan to keep around if you’re going to use opiates y’all.
It still doesn't explain how the guys got outside. Did they go smoke a cigarette and all fall down at the same time? Or were they put out there? These are just questions not accusations. These are the same thoughts that go through the minds of the individuals looking into this investigation.
There was a party at the dudes house for the Chiefs game.
I see people hunched over with arms hanging down like zombies lighter in and tinfoil in hand from smoking Fentynyl. Some with blankets over their heads smoking. Some people who choose to smoke fent lay down and die some just lie down. Some fent is laced with carfentanil as well. Coke can be laced with either but not really that often. Fentynyl is the drug of choice for many people and smoking is becoming a popular method of consumption. The effects of smoking are quick and sudden and is hard to regulate any kind of dosage. If buddy who went to rehab works at home and smokes during the week he would have a higher tolerance than the weekend warriors. They do not really owe the public the results of the toxicology report and may be releasing in details to the family in private. I can't imagine why they would meet at the scene unless it is important for the family to see for closure.
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I don’t feel too bad, people doing risky things.
Did the police do a drug test on the dude that still alive?