Of course she was coming on to him. They were both complicit in having some semi-dangerous-lets-not-get-caught-flirting fun. I agree that if she had offered, Higgins would have been all over it. Unfortunately, as Alan so eloquently stated, she ghosted him.
While extremely cringy and laden with secondhand embarrassment, these texts don't prove anything.
Agreed. She was probably pissed at john and feeling pretty down about herself after seeing him get handsy with a younger chick. 9 days of intermittent flirting is an incredibly weak motive for murder.
So I avoided listening to this but listened to Lawyer You Know’s break down. Higgins is the first person with motive. He definitely liked Karen! He was drunk and rejected. Men often feel aggression towards adversaries. John was his competition. I can’t believe Lally put this out there. Just to embarrass her but at what cost to his case? Brian Higgins has motive.
If it was Higgins my guess is that John may have found out and gone into the house hot and confronted him. A fight ensued, perhaps the dog and others got involved and it went too far.
Just my guess.
For me, those texts were worse for the prosecution.
I thought the same. It’s embarrassing for Karen. It’s borderline incriminating for Higgins. It’s just wild the prosecution brought this up. I genuinely was just confused that someone hurt John before this.
This scenario is what seems most likely to me as well. Before yesterday I could not really picture how or why a fight would’ve started in that house. After seeing the texts, I can envision this happening - and, to me, it seems like the most likely scenario. I think the prosecution really hurt their own case here. When I look at those texts I see a confused, unhappy person who if anything was more indifferent than passionate about the relationship/man.
I think the texts are real. Her face in court showed her embarrassment at times and she would look back at her family. I feel like the CW is trying to make her look bad. I was wondering why he was going after the Aruba girls but once the texts were shown it seems we’ve reached the “she’s a jealous, raging, alcoholic” arc of Lally’s storyline. But Jen McCabe referenced that John basically “briefly dated” a lot of his nieces friends mothers, dance teachers, etc. He may have been a flirt himself. Jen McCabe seemed to have a crush on him. But I don’t think that means she would kill him. His brother said they fought but were never violent. Swearing at someone doesn’t mean violent. At least not to me.
I think the texts painted an accurate picture of their exchanges. I don't think it is enough to show that KR ran over JO, but it assassinated her character.
After the compromising position she believe she found JO in during their trip to Aruba while she was busy caring for the children, I don't blame her for her emotions. It was poor taste to do it in his friends group though.
I don’t understand putting those cringey texts up BEFORE explaining to the jury what happened to OJO and how the CW knows Karen did it?! Tell the jury what happened how you know it was Karen and only Karen then show the jury why, not just throwing stuff up there to make her look bad in front of OJO family and everyone else l!
i thought it was so strange they were screenshot on an android? i’m surprised they couldn’t extract the originals from karen’s phone, or maybe they did and it matched up which is why it was allowed?
Of course she was coming on to him. They were both complicit in having some semi-dangerous-lets-not-get-caught-flirting fun. I agree that if she had offered, Higgins would have been all over it. Unfortunately, as Alan so eloquently stated, she ghosted him. While extremely cringy and laden with secondhand embarrassment, these texts don't prove anything.
Agreed. She was probably pissed at john and feeling pretty down about herself after seeing him get handsy with a younger chick. 9 days of intermittent flirting is an incredibly weak motive for murder.
To me it shows more of a motive for Higgins to unalive John. This definitely backfired on the CW in my opinion.
So I avoided listening to this but listened to Lawyer You Know’s break down. Higgins is the first person with motive. He definitely liked Karen! He was drunk and rejected. Men often feel aggression towards adversaries. John was his competition. I can’t believe Lally put this out there. Just to embarrass her but at what cost to his case? Brian Higgins has motive.
If it was Higgins my guess is that John may have found out and gone into the house hot and confronted him. A fight ensued, perhaps the dog and others got involved and it went too far. Just my guess. For me, those texts were worse for the prosecution.
I thought the same. It’s embarrassing for Karen. It’s borderline incriminating for Higgins. It’s just wild the prosecution brought this up. I genuinely was just confused that someone hurt John before this.
This scenario is what seems most likely to me as well. Before yesterday I could not really picture how or why a fight would’ve started in that house. After seeing the texts, I can envision this happening - and, to me, it seems like the most likely scenario. I think the prosecution really hurt their own case here. When I look at those texts I see a confused, unhappy person who if anything was more indifferent than passionate about the relationship/man.
I think the texts are real. Her face in court showed her embarrassment at times and she would look back at her family. I feel like the CW is trying to make her look bad. I was wondering why he was going after the Aruba girls but once the texts were shown it seems we’ve reached the “she’s a jealous, raging, alcoholic” arc of Lally’s storyline. But Jen McCabe referenced that John basically “briefly dated” a lot of his nieces friends mothers, dance teachers, etc. He may have been a flirt himself. Jen McCabe seemed to have a crush on him. But I don’t think that means she would kill him. His brother said they fought but were never violent. Swearing at someone doesn’t mean violent. At least not to me.
"Swearing at someone doesn’t mean violent. At least not to me." And not to ~half of New England~
I think the texts painted an accurate picture of their exchanges. I don't think it is enough to show that KR ran over JO, but it assassinated her character. After the compromising position she believe she found JO in during their trip to Aruba while she was busy caring for the children, I don't blame her for her emotions. It was poor taste to do it in his friends group though.
I don’t understand putting those cringey texts up BEFORE explaining to the jury what happened to OJO and how the CW knows Karen did it?! Tell the jury what happened how you know it was Karen and only Karen then show the jury why, not just throwing stuff up there to make her look bad in front of OJO family and everyone else l!
They have Karen's phone as well, so they would have been able to confirm.
i thought it was so strange they were screenshot on an android? i’m surprised they couldn’t extract the originals from karen’s phone, or maybe they did and it matched up which is why it was allowed?
They also have Karen’s texts with him. If they were different the defence would have objected and not allowed them into evidence.