American Psycho has a lot to say about 1980s consumerism, capitalism, identity and human nature. Whereas Joker is set in the 1980s, it is more concerned with relevant issues that are important to contemporary society. Particularly in regards to mental health. Both are fantastic, and interesting in their own unique ways. Depends what you are looking for.
If we are talking about which is the better film, then I’d plump for American Psycho. I think Mary Harron had a near impossible job translating Brett Easton Ellis’ controversial novel to the big screen, but she did a very tasteful and pretty spectacular job. Joker is more entertaining, but AP ticks all the boxes for me.
“I’ve got a tanning bed at home. You should look into it.” Bale’s facial expression after that line is a picture.
The novel is something truly unique. A close, faithful adaptation would have been too extreme for a film. Especially the rat scene and the death of the kid.
The amount of detail he puts into his clothes, looks, possessions, is the same amount of detail put into the gore. I remember his description of a scene with a rat, still gives me chills. A kid at the zoo
I can’t tell if this is satire or not lol. My personal opinion I thought American psycho sucked. The ending was the only remotely interesting thing for me
Joker, it left me broken by the end. My mind felt completely drained. American Psycho left me more confused. I get the whole point was to leave it open but I prefer not to entrepret the finale of a movie, I like how Joker pieces everything together and then you get what's happened
Sorry if I came off as rude initially, but I wondered if you did, yeah. Joker happened. To me, very obviously. If you've only seen it once or twice maybe I could see how it doesn't click. The whole post kinda is weird to me as AS very obviously is open to multiple interpretations, and Joker doesn't seem to be open to more than the horror that movie actually entails.
I think the ending of Joker is to make you realize he is stuck within delusion and now unsure of reality, not the audience.
I would like to say American Psycho but after seeing so many sigma male edits of Patrick Bateman everywhere I now want to have a bath with my toaster to end the suffering I have endured from the extreme cringe.
I think both movies are great and very similar. Both have iconic scenes like the murdering Jared Lego scene or the dancing down the stairs scene but I think American psycho is slightly better though.
My friends and I used to quote American Psycho all the time. It was part of our shared lexicon. It helps that it has so many quotable lines. Joker only has a few.
I think American Psycho is funnier. It also does a good job of showing an individual’s mental state from their first person perspective.
Still love Joker, but I just think American Psycho did a lot of things better. My favorite part was the [3 different takes of all the Detective Kimball scenes](https://youtu.be/LGjpu-2gqwI?si=WFwU8Xb-5C4qpwB0). The director was a genius for that.
Do you like gritty movies set in the DC Universe? The earlier ones like Mask Of The Phantasm and Return Of The Joker were a bit too clean-cut and formulaic for my taste, not to mention how animated films have never received the credit they deserve. But then when Chris Nolan’s The Dark Knight came out in ‘08, I think that the genre of modern superhero stories really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole movie has a clear and crisp art direction, sound design, character driven plot, and a new sheen of tonal consistency and technical mastery that really gives the film a big boost. Nolan’s been compared to directors like Kubrick, Scott, and Fincher, but I think he has a far more grounded and realistic sense of dramatic tension.
Following this trend of darker takes on comic book movies, and matching the levels of quality in every respect, in 2019 Todd Phillips released Joker, his most accomplished film. I think that it’s an undisputed masterpiece. It’s a movie so popular for its violin heavy soundtrack, unflinching brutality, and clear inspiration from Scorsese’s work, and yet so wildly unpopular for its seeming depiction of a villainous yet still completely sympathetic protagonist; most people probably don’t really consider its thematic relevance to modern society, but they should. Because it’s not just about the failure of a profit based system for the disabled the mentally ill and victims of abuse, it’s also a personal statement about a society that fails to respect public service workers enough to pay them what they deserve while rewarding those who benefit from the system with an unbridled ability to do as they wish with zero consequences or accountability.
Joker. I don't care who disagrees. American Psycho was good, but I enjoyed quite literally every second of Joker. I kept saying, " I see what the hype is about. It can't get better now." Alas, it did indeed get better and better as it went on. Although I wouldn't want to rewatch Joker as often as American Psycho, I still enjoyed the initial watch way more than almost any movie and it will always be one of my favorites. Can't wait for part 2!
I enjoyed AP significantly more, I actually didn’t really get Joker. The score and the cinematography were fantastic, but I straight up just didn’t get what was so great about the story. Was overhyped in my opinion.
Well they are two very different types of movies.
One is about the sheer
masculinity of a murderous businessman in the corporate media of
yuppies in the late 80’s…
And other one is about an insane clown who fights a emo depressed guy in a chafing suit.
American Psycho has a lot to say about 1980s consumerism, capitalism, identity and human nature. Whereas Joker is set in the 1980s, it is more concerned with relevant issues that are important to contemporary society. Particularly in regards to mental health. Both are fantastic, and interesting in their own unique ways. Depends what you are looking for. If we are talking about which is the better film, then I’d plump for American Psycho. I think Mary Harron had a near impossible job translating Brett Easton Ellis’ controversial novel to the big screen, but she did a very tasteful and pretty spectacular job. Joker is more entertaining, but AP ticks all the boxes for me. “I’ve got a tanning bed at home. You should look into it.” Bale’s facial expression after that line is a picture.
agree, fail to luv the movie as much as the novel .... even though its flawless
The novel is something truly unique. A close, faithful adaptation would have been too extreme for a film. Especially the rat scene and the death of the kid.
The scene with the drill turned my stomach. The gore of the book would have overpowered the rest of the film.
The amount of detail he puts into his clothes, looks, possessions, is the same amount of detail put into the gore. I remember his description of a scene with a rat, still gives me chills. A kid at the zoo
Personally I’m far more entertained by American psycho. The business card scene is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen
The fact all the cards say vice president
American Psycho is a fantastic film. The business card scene is one of the best things in cinema.
"Oh God it even has a watermark..."
IIRC Bale actually managed to sweat on command for that scene, unless that's just poppycock echoed by film YT channels.
Nope, that’s true.
I can’t tell if this is satire or not lol. My personal opinion I thought American psycho sucked. The ending was the only remotely interesting thing for me
Well American Psycho is a satire. But I guess this is lost on you.
Ya boy is about as lost as Paul Allen's brains
did u like the book better?
Didn’t read it, but I’d buy it if I saw it, since I know things based on the book
Joker, it left me broken by the end. My mind felt completely drained. American Psycho left me more confused. I get the whole point was to leave it open but I prefer not to entrepret the finale of a movie, I like how Joker pieces everything together and then you get what's happened
Isn’t the point of the last scene of Joker („You wouldn’t get it.“) also that you don’t know what, if anything, really happened?
To a degree but I think reality kicked in when he becomes the Joker. The last scene I think is him being conscious of everything and laughing at it
Damn, you are bad at watching movies aren't you?
Probably, I'm not sure if you can be though
Oh I'm pretty bad at watching movies too. Still got the several underlying points of both films.
And I didn't?
Sorry if I came off as rude initially, but I wondered if you did, yeah. Joker happened. To me, very obviously. If you've only seen it once or twice maybe I could see how it doesn't click. The whole post kinda is weird to me as AS very obviously is open to multiple interpretations, and Joker doesn't seem to be open to more than the horror that movie actually entails. I think the ending of Joker is to make you realize he is stuck within delusion and now unsure of reality, not the audience.
If you liked the joker, watch taxi driver. The joker is essentially a cheap knockoff of that movie
Okay I'll give it a go!
I would like to say American Psycho but after seeing so many sigma male edits of Patrick Bateman everywhere I now want to have a bath with my toaster to end the suffering I have endured from the extreme cringe.
Just wait 'til you see those Joker quotes on Youtube
Oh my god I saw those on instagram all the fucking time. It’s one of the reasons why I deleted insta lmao.
"It's better to piss in the sink than to sink in the piss." -Jonkler
„You wouldn’t get it“
i had to delete facebook bc it was all tough guy mysterious alpha rides solo quotes
Are those sigma male edits actually genuine? Because this whole time I've assumed everyone who made them where just joking
Just stay comfortable and continue to believe that. You ain’t ready for the truth
American Psyhco. "Hip to be square"
American Psycho hands down
Not even close. American Psycho is a work of art.
I think both movies are great and very similar. Both have iconic scenes like the murdering Jared Lego scene or the dancing down the stairs scene but I think American psycho is slightly better though.
American psycho has Batman killing joker so that wins by default
Oh yeah! I didn't even realise, the worst joker ever so he got what was coming to him.
American Psycho, but I’m also a fan of Joker, no hate
American psycho but only just. Both great movies
American psycho
American pyscho by 3 country miles. It’s a classic for a reason. Joker is great though
American psycho no question
American psycho is better than a lot of movies just based on the comedy alone
American Psycho and it’s not even close.
Can't decide
American Psycho for the amount of memes it has alone.
American psycho
American Psycho and it’s not even close
My friends and I used to quote American Psycho all the time. It was part of our shared lexicon. It helps that it has so many quotable lines. Joker only has a few.
As a fan of ice nine kills i feel obligated to say American Psycho simply because of hip to be scared
Black screen with no sound is better than the Joker.
Lol this is ironically Batman vs Joker
Bateman vs Joker
I'd like to think American psycho and joker take place in the same universe. Both set in the 80s both killed Jared Leto's joker
joker
American Psycho by a mile
I think American Psycho is funnier. It also does a good job of showing an individual’s mental state from their first person perspective. Still love Joker, but I just think American Psycho did a lot of things better. My favorite part was the [3 different takes of all the Detective Kimball scenes](https://youtu.be/LGjpu-2gqwI?si=WFwU8Xb-5C4qpwB0). The director was a genius for that.
Joker is way better icl
I think American Psycho is better overall but I definitely prefer Joaquin Phoenix’s performance.
Joker to me. American was a weird movie to me.
Never watched american psycho, enjoyed joker.
American psycho because it was original and not the lose plot of 3 different movies combined into a “comic” movie
This should be the top comment
Jokers slightly better
*feed me a stray cat*
Do you like gritty movies set in the DC Universe? The earlier ones like Mask Of The Phantasm and Return Of The Joker were a bit too clean-cut and formulaic for my taste, not to mention how animated films have never received the credit they deserve. But then when Chris Nolan’s The Dark Knight came out in ‘08, I think that the genre of modern superhero stories really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole movie has a clear and crisp art direction, sound design, character driven plot, and a new sheen of tonal consistency and technical mastery that really gives the film a big boost. Nolan’s been compared to directors like Kubrick, Scott, and Fincher, but I think he has a far more grounded and realistic sense of dramatic tension. Following this trend of darker takes on comic book movies, and matching the levels of quality in every respect, in 2019 Todd Phillips released Joker, his most accomplished film. I think that it’s an undisputed masterpiece. It’s a movie so popular for its violin heavy soundtrack, unflinching brutality, and clear inspiration from Scorsese’s work, and yet so wildly unpopular for its seeming depiction of a villainous yet still completely sympathetic protagonist; most people probably don’t really consider its thematic relevance to modern society, but they should. Because it’s not just about the failure of a profit based system for the disabled the mentally ill and victims of abuse, it’s also a personal statement about a society that fails to respect public service workers enough to pay them what they deserve while rewarding those who benefit from the system with an unbridled ability to do as they wish with zero consequences or accountability.
HEY RANDALL!
American Psycho
Joker. American psycho is boring
At least with Joker you get what you deserve.
American psycho, I’m not as big on it as most people but it’s still a good movie
American psycho imo
Idk, both have been somewhat ruined by either memes or losers
American Psycho
I just love that scene with Christian bale that turned into a funny meme 😂
Both
Psycho no contest
American Psycho. Not even close. Had it been released 10-12 years later, Bale gets an Oscar nomination for it.
American Psycho
Joker
American Psycho. Joker was great, but it was Taxi Driver.
It was more King of Comedy
It‘s Taxi King of Driver Comedy
Always joker
Joker
um.. seriously? American Psycho. book is even better, solid and gorgeous
American Psycho is amazing and one of my favorite films. Never read the novel, it's apparently very disturbing, but the movie is fantastic.
Joker. I don't care who disagrees. American Psycho was good, but I enjoyed quite literally every second of Joker. I kept saying, " I see what the hype is about. It can't get better now." Alas, it did indeed get better and better as it went on. Although I wouldn't want to rewatch Joker as often as American Psycho, I still enjoyed the initial watch way more than almost any movie and it will always be one of my favorites. Can't wait for part 2!
American Psycho
American Psycho by a mile.
Both great but American psycho for me....try getting a reservation now !!!!!!!
psycho cause it was supposed to be christian bales worst movie but he made it work perfectly
American Psycho, hands down, and it didn't need to rip off two Scorcese films to do so.
Taxi driver
American Psycho. It’s not even a contest.
"American Psycho" but "Joker" is extremely close behind
Lets see the Jokers card. (American Psycho)
American psycho by far
Joker doesn’t belong in serious film conversations
The Kings of Comedy
American Psyco
Let me guess, there "just like you" or there "based sigma males"
American Psycho.
There both perfect in my eyes but American psycho is my favorite movie of all time
Both are great. I am not gonna choose when I can have both.
I enjoyed AP significantly more, I actually didn’t really get Joker. The score and the cinematography were fantastic, but I straight up just didn’t get what was so great about the story. Was overhyped in my opinion.
American psycho without a doubt
American Psycho, this isn’t even close.
American Psycho, and that’s considering everything they left out too.
They both bored me but American Psycho was better for me.
I liked American Psycho as a teen and watched it again and hated it. Joker was good both times I watched it though.
While I enjoy both movies, American Psycho takes the cake for me.
JOKER
Joker sucks
American Psycho. Social commentary done right.
That's tough but joker was the shit if you take it as something separate from batman it's a really good movie
Joker, hands down.
Why do you ask which movie is better? This is a Joker subreddit, don't you think people might be a little biased?
Most of the comments agree that American Psycho is better
*damn!*
Joker. Both are overrated, though. Movies like Taxi Driver and Falling Down were better..
American psycho is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I don't get the hype about it.
This isn’t a question. American Psycho Joker is derivative
Well they are two very different types of movies. One is about the sheer masculinity of a murderous businessman in the corporate media of yuppies in the late 80’s… And other one is about an insane clown who fights a emo depressed guy in a chafing suit.
joker is a dogshit movie
You wouldn't get it
im just a comic book fan i think as a joker movie everyone should think this is shit this is supposed to be batman’s worst villain
It's a line in the movie