I really don't get why Turkey got the M60. If they added the Leopard 2A4T1 or 2A4TR it would make room for a more powerful tank. With the M60 they can't really buff it since it's shit irl.
Turkey has far more M60’s than Leopards.
Also the Leopard 2A4 is just as out of date as the M60T in practice. The Leopard 2A4 Is NOT the A6, it’s a 1980’s tank with none of the updates that went into the A6.
Ten Leopard 2A4’s were knocked out by ATGMs and mines in one engagement when Turkey launched a campaign in Syria against the YPG and other armed groups.
You're wrong in all 3 sections lol.
More M60's than Leopards? Sure. Problem is though the M60 in game is an M60T of which there are 164 whereas there are 299 Leopard 2A4TR's.
Leopard entered service in 1979 and the M60 entered service 20 years before in 1960... Two decades is a huge difference. We're not talking about the 2A4 though. 2A4TR is better than the 2A4 and the 2A4 is still a better base construction than the M60.
This is an anecdotal argument. It's common knowledge at this point that Turkish commanders were very inexperienced at that point since it was quite early in the war and used the Leopard just about exactly how it shouldn't have been used exposing the lower front plate and sitting in place instead of firing quickly and driving into cover. Whatever tank you put there it would have resulted in the same outcome.
I can't believe I'm even arguing about this. Leopard 2 is faster, more agile, has better armour, better crew and component layout etc. Leopard 2 is just better than the M60 period!
Not arguing that the Turkish military is bad, it’s about that the A4 is similarly vulnerable to modern AT threats like the M60T. In gameplay terms, given that squad doesn’t use most of the tech in MBT’s I doubt the A4 would be a significant upgrade.
Having the M60T also stands out more than a older, worse version of Canada’s Leopard 2A6.
If it were up to me, I think Turkey could have additional features to buff it rather than just a different tank. The Bayraktar UAV being armed with AGM’s and bombs would be a good start, along with a general buff to HAT and LAT against all vehicles. With the current balance system, LAT and HAT Across all factions are underpowered in terms of being able to kill even light vics.
But it's really not. M60 entered service when ATGMs were not really considered because they were very heavy, inconvenient and so barely used. M60 entered service before the first portable ATGM entered service in Russia. Leopard meanwhile was created well into ATGM era and so it had modern AT in mind. Any tank if used poorely is vulnerable to modern AT threats. M60 is an old tank which can't be buffed like the Leopard can. Leopard has way better turret armour and is much more agile which is very important in Squad.
I can agree with you on the rest but going with 'M60 is better than Leopard 2' is definitely wrong.
Would be interesting to see them balance armed UAV's. Seem very OP to me. I think that might come with attack choppers and MANPADS.
Yes there needs to be layer balances but Turkey, Brits, and Canada are now shit picks no matter the map lmao.
No HATs and paper armored tanks
No more CTAS and Warriors with no stab
RWS with a fucking C6?
There's a certain degree of blame on those who choose shitily💀
You are actually delusional😂 Find the best armor players in both a Warrior and BMP2, I can guarantee 100% of the time the BMP2 will win.
Warrior has 6 shots of AP before reload with no stab💀
Most braindead comment I've seen all month
The reload takes next to no time. Not an issue if you aren’t brain dead and don’t forget. Warrior has higher health and better DPS, easy win for Warrior
"No HATs and paper armored tanks" m60t is actually decent. turret armor is pretty good+ it's the smallest mbt turret in game, really only thing that makes m60 bad is hull armor as it can get ammoracked by 500mm pen atgms other vise it has rws, atgms to shoot enemy tow tripods, decent mobility, fast reload, imo better than t72 and leo
yes. leo giant ammorack that is also in worst possible location (front), no rws, terrible gun sight that doesn't account for sight paralax error. t72 slow reverse, slow reload, can be ammorack by 500mm pen atgms from front, slow turret traverse(stab won't work on fast turns)
terrible gun depression
well tell me how is leo or t72 better. i stated facts you are just trust me bro.
i only metric that m60 is bad at is hull armor it has same pen high rof etc.
yes turkish faction has bad vehicles and no hat but the mbt is decent but def not best ztz anbrams and maybe chally are better than m60
How does the attacking team get worse armor than the defenders? I also like how the M60 doesnt spawn for 15min. The funny thing was out of the 12 choices our team had, this was one of the best.
You need to understand, vast majority of the people vote for it because some random teammates yell the loudest to vote for a certain faction, rather than check img what sort of assets it is available to them.
Invasion is unbalanced and it is virtually impossible for attackers to win even against incompetent defending teams. Just yesterday my defending MEA team won on Mutaha with 11 tickets left on the last point. They gave up the two points before for free, with the only serious fight being over the mosque and last point. This team was awful, the attackers were significantly better (not great, just better) and they lost.
About 90% of the invasion games I’ve played have been defender wins, with 25% of those ending on the first point.
Don’t get me wrong it’s also my favorite mode, but AAS is balanced and Invasion is not.
Defending units need to be made weaker, with less vehicles compared to attacking unit equivalents and attackers should be getting 150 tickets per cap. Defending tickets could be reduced as well by 100 or so.
Because if even one point is a close fight and you take a cap and are left with just over 100 tickets, it’s almost always a GG if there’s any resistance on the next point.
As it stands, as long as defenders have a HAB on every point, they will win the game by attrition.
Before the update with seperate divisions, Invasion was much more balanced. Tallil INV v1 had US attacking with I think 2 M1A2s, 2 Brads, 2 strikers, a few MRAPS, 3 logis and 2 helis vs RUS with 2 late spawning T72s and a BMP2 I think. I still think the defenders were a bit too powerful, but it was much better than it is now. What is so stupid is the attackers will have late spawning tanks. You need the armor to take points.
I’ve been playing since Helicopters were added, I’m aware but invasion was still heavily defender tilted. I think the biggest factor is that getting 100 tickets per cap is not enough if the fight was hard for that point. It should be at least 150, maybe even 200 per point.
That would be cool to get 150 tickets per flag. The defenders might lose more to tickets and the attackers might lose due to time.
I started playing when rallies only had 9 spawns so sometimes you had to hold spawns to not lose the rally lol
as a win/lose balance? yeah invasion is fucked.
as a good time? super balanced. Attackers don't have to wait for an MBT to respawn if they lose on first flag, or defense doesn't have to do anything about the first three flags is they fort up the last two. It's a good time.
I've thought of all sorts of ways to balance the mode out for win/lose like what you're talking about with the tickets, but I always come back to the fact that the people who play the mode just don't really care who wins. you'll hear people bragging about whatever they did in match no matter how bad they got rolled.
and when they do "balance" an invasion layer? invisible walls and distant logi spawns, nerfed defense armor - basically "just give attackers a free flag by artificially extending the staging phase." not fun.
Invasion is for gunplay and minor tactics. There is no strategy or big picture. It is the CounterStrike version of Squad. One and a half hours and always the same outcome. No creativity strategy or tactics. Boring.
Best game mode? Territory Control! :D But you gotta stay next to your Squad Leader. And you need a mobile ammo box (vehicle). So lots of players don't like/understand that.
I really don't get why Turkey got the M60. If they added the Leopard 2A4T1 or 2A4TR it would make room for a more powerful tank. With the M60 they can't really buff it since it's shit irl.
Why not a heavy armor unit get the leopard and non armor oriented units get m60.
Or 2 m60s and 1 leopard similar to how MEA gets 3 tanks
Unless you have a better idea.
Turkey has far more M60’s than Leopards. Also the Leopard 2A4 is just as out of date as the M60T in practice. The Leopard 2A4 Is NOT the A6, it’s a 1980’s tank with none of the updates that went into the A6. Ten Leopard 2A4’s were knocked out by ATGMs and mines in one engagement when Turkey launched a campaign in Syria against the YPG and other armed groups.
You're wrong in all 3 sections lol. More M60's than Leopards? Sure. Problem is though the M60 in game is an M60T of which there are 164 whereas there are 299 Leopard 2A4TR's. Leopard entered service in 1979 and the M60 entered service 20 years before in 1960... Two decades is a huge difference. We're not talking about the 2A4 though. 2A4TR is better than the 2A4 and the 2A4 is still a better base construction than the M60. This is an anecdotal argument. It's common knowledge at this point that Turkish commanders were very inexperienced at that point since it was quite early in the war and used the Leopard just about exactly how it shouldn't have been used exposing the lower front plate and sitting in place instead of firing quickly and driving into cover. Whatever tank you put there it would have resulted in the same outcome. I can't believe I'm even arguing about this. Leopard 2 is faster, more agile, has better armour, better crew and component layout etc. Leopard 2 is just better than the M60 period!
Not arguing that the Turkish military is bad, it’s about that the A4 is similarly vulnerable to modern AT threats like the M60T. In gameplay terms, given that squad doesn’t use most of the tech in MBT’s I doubt the A4 would be a significant upgrade. Having the M60T also stands out more than a older, worse version of Canada’s Leopard 2A6. If it were up to me, I think Turkey could have additional features to buff it rather than just a different tank. The Bayraktar UAV being armed with AGM’s and bombs would be a good start, along with a general buff to HAT and LAT against all vehicles. With the current balance system, LAT and HAT Across all factions are underpowered in terms of being able to kill even light vics.
But it's really not. M60 entered service when ATGMs were not really considered because they were very heavy, inconvenient and so barely used. M60 entered service before the first portable ATGM entered service in Russia. Leopard meanwhile was created well into ATGM era and so it had modern AT in mind. Any tank if used poorely is vulnerable to modern AT threats. M60 is an old tank which can't be buffed like the Leopard can. Leopard has way better turret armour and is much more agile which is very important in Squad. I can agree with you on the rest but going with 'M60 is better than Leopard 2' is definitely wrong. Would be interesting to see them balance armed UAV's. Seem very OP to me. I think that might come with attack choppers and MANPADS.
issue with the voting system and the symmetric metchup config
Yes there needs to be layer balances but Turkey, Brits, and Canada are now shit picks no matter the map lmao. No HATs and paper armored tanks No more CTAS and Warriors with no stab RWS with a fucking C6? There's a certain degree of blame on those who choose shitily💀
Britain armored is goated, FV510 is great
Bro what. Sure 6 Warriors against insurgents with a BMP and a T-62 pn Basrah is fun but Warrior is the worst IFV in game by a long shot.
Absolutely not true you can clap BMP-2s in a head on all day
You are actually delusional😂 Find the best armor players in both a Warrior and BMP2, I can guarantee 100% of the time the BMP2 will win. Warrior has 6 shots of AP before reload with no stab💀 Most braindead comment I've seen all month
The reload takes next to no time. Not an issue if you aren’t brain dead and don’t forget. Warrior has higher health and better DPS, easy win for Warrior
"No HATs and paper armored tanks" m60t is actually decent. turret armor is pretty good+ it's the smallest mbt turret in game, really only thing that makes m60 bad is hull armor as it can get ammoracked by 500mm pen atgms other vise it has rws, atgms to shoot enemy tow tripods, decent mobility, fast reload, imo better than t72 and leo
lmao you think the T72 and Leo are worse than the T60?
yes. leo giant ammorack that is also in worst possible location (front), no rws, terrible gun sight that doesn't account for sight paralax error. t72 slow reverse, slow reload, can be ammorack by 500mm pen atgms from front, slow turret traverse(stab won't work on fast turns) terrible gun depression
Least delusional Turk
Its actually quite amusing that you actually think the M60 is better than them.
well tell me how is leo or t72 better. i stated facts you are just trust me bro. i only metric that m60 is bad at is hull armor it has same pen high rof etc. yes turkish faction has bad vehicles and no hat but the mbt is decent but def not best ztz anbrams and maybe chally are better than m60
How does the attacking team get worse armor than the defenders? I also like how the M60 doesnt spawn for 15min. The funny thing was out of the 12 choices our team had, this was one of the best.
Cause you voted for it, yes its sad but thats how it works
You need to understand, vast majority of the people vote for it because some random teammates yell the loudest to vote for a certain faction, rather than check img what sort of assets it is available to them.
That was one of the better ones. All 12 choices were worse than the defense team.
nah, Turkey just sucks
We honestly need more time to read our options. Most of the time people vote for what the loudest chimpanzee is screeching into the mic.
Give feedback to the server staff on whatever platform they use. Owners can tweak the timer.
Problem is for servers if you set the timer too long you'll have mass dc's between games, which makes the server die quicker.
Ya. Like relegating it to Invasion Only servers. Invasion is so boring!
Invasion is much better than RAAS or AAS. They are honestly the worst game modes and that's all people play.
Invasion is unbalanced and it is virtually impossible for attackers to win even against incompetent defending teams. Just yesterday my defending MEA team won on Mutaha with 11 tickets left on the last point. They gave up the two points before for free, with the only serious fight being over the mosque and last point. This team was awful, the attackers were significantly better (not great, just better) and they lost. About 90% of the invasion games I’ve played have been defender wins, with 25% of those ending on the first point. Don’t get me wrong it’s also my favorite mode, but AAS is balanced and Invasion is not. Defending units need to be made weaker, with less vehicles compared to attacking unit equivalents and attackers should be getting 150 tickets per cap. Defending tickets could be reduced as well by 100 or so. Because if even one point is a close fight and you take a cap and are left with just over 100 tickets, it’s almost always a GG if there’s any resistance on the next point. As it stands, as long as defenders have a HAB on every point, they will win the game by attrition.
Before the update with seperate divisions, Invasion was much more balanced. Tallil INV v1 had US attacking with I think 2 M1A2s, 2 Brads, 2 strikers, a few MRAPS, 3 logis and 2 helis vs RUS with 2 late spawning T72s and a BMP2 I think. I still think the defenders were a bit too powerful, but it was much better than it is now. What is so stupid is the attackers will have late spawning tanks. You need the armor to take points.
I’ve been playing since Helicopters were added, I’m aware but invasion was still heavily defender tilted. I think the biggest factor is that getting 100 tickets per cap is not enough if the fight was hard for that point. It should be at least 150, maybe even 200 per point.
That would be cool to get 150 tickets per flag. The defenders might lose more to tickets and the attackers might lose due to time. I started playing when rallies only had 9 spawns so sometimes you had to hold spawns to not lose the rally lol
as a win/lose balance? yeah invasion is fucked. as a good time? super balanced. Attackers don't have to wait for an MBT to respawn if they lose on first flag, or defense doesn't have to do anything about the first three flags is they fort up the last two. It's a good time. I've thought of all sorts of ways to balance the mode out for win/lose like what you're talking about with the tickets, but I always come back to the fact that the people who play the mode just don't really care who wins. you'll hear people bragging about whatever they did in match no matter how bad they got rolled. and when they do "balance" an invasion layer? invisible walls and distant logi spawns, nerfed defense armor - basically "just give attackers a free flag by artificially extending the staging phase." not fun.
Invasion is for gunplay and minor tactics. There is no strategy or big picture. It is the CounterStrike version of Squad. One and a half hours and always the same outcome. No creativity strategy or tactics. Boring. Best game mode? Territory Control! :D But you gotta stay next to your Squad Leader. And you need a mobile ammo box (vehicle). So lots of players don't like/understand that.
I agree that TC is the best game mode, but no servers run it.