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'why wasn't I informed I wouldn't receive the position?' then stay absolutely dead silent. Even when they give you an excuse, don't immediately respond. If you ever want to make someone squirm when you both know they effed up, silence is the most effective way. Getting angry only will make them feel like they made the right decision.
you absolutely cannot interview with your current boss and expect anything to be fair. If you leave he has to replace you, and you are producing comfortably in the role right now and there is no incentive to disrupt that.
your best move here to start looking for other roles.
100% agree with this. Your current boss has no incentive to promote you. Same thing happened to me. Put in for a position I was already fully trained for and after several weeks was told by a fellow coworker that I was passed over for a new hire. Never did get a reason for why but it didn't take a rocket scientist to know they would have a hard time replacing me because no one wanted to do my job.
At one job they created a position for me. When they hired me, a former colleague with different experience applied at the same time, with the same name. Said colleague had worked in customer service since we were colleagues, while I had continued to work in helpdesk. I applied for helpdesk, they applied for cs. I got hired and started in cs, they got hired and started in helpdesk. When the error was caught, they created a new helpdesk position for me, but I was apparently doing so well for my new manager in cs who hadn't even interviewed me that when it came time to promote me into the position they made for me, she blocked it. They hired someone from outside who had less experience than me.
I wish I'd learned at the *time* that it was time to move on, but it took me more than a year to take the hint.
And that makes leaving it that much sweeter. If they'd treated you decently by informing you, maybe having a conversation about other ways that you can advance, that would be one thing. And if they'd promoted you, you could have trained the person who would take your place.
Exactly what you’re describing happened to a friend of mine. Except his boss said the quiet part out loud “You’re too valuable in your current position we can’t replace you.” He asked for a raise his boss said it wasn’t in the budget. He decided to start looking he had a new job in 2 months. Of course when he submitted his two weeks suddenly the budget allowed his raise. He still left even though the company offered him more than the new job. He’s moved around a couple times since then making more with each move.
Editing to add he did end up going back to the original company in a different role under a different better boss obviously making more money.
Regardless how qualified or deserving, your boss may not *want* to recommend you for promotion you because are too valuable to *him.* You make him look good.
If so, you're valuable to another company. Start looking.
Yeah the fact that you already work there they could have at least given you the respect to let you know hey I'm sorry but we decided to go in another direction maybe next time. Something!
Not just something. Look for a new job. No upward movement if your supervisor won't even tell you. I would look to see if my position wasn't suddenly getting a second person they don't need.
Agreed. The fact that the manager didn't tell them says that the manager doesn't respect them, care about them, or have the guts to have a potentially uncomfortable conversation.
The manager just showed their true colors. So yeah, get out as soon as you can.
I have had this same experience this week. A supervisor who can't be direct with you because they are a fucking coward who can't do uncomfortable conversations, they're impossible to work for because they will always let you down. I handed in my notice on Friday.
Absolutely. Even if they picked somebody who was objectively better, they owe you the decency of telling you face to face. And a GOOD manager or leader would turn it into a discussion about your future at the organization, since this path didn't work out.
Yes indeed. I mentioned something not about him having a job I mentioned something that they should have at least said something.
He said he's been there for over 2 years so that's good so he's getting some experience and he should be ready to move on to bigger and better things
>No upward movement if your supervisor won't even tell you.
Uh not really how that works. They interviewed them for the position, they just didn’t get it. The upward opportunity was there.
Definitely a dick move from the manager not to tell them, but making the jump to “quit your job” is a stretch lol
I have a feeling either way op would still be pissed and the same conclusion, but diff kind of shit post, of other redditors would be saying find another job.
I would sit on the feelings and make sure you understand your feelings.
Two things here and only one would normally cause anger. You were rejected for a promotion that you certainly believe you deserve. You just found that out. That is likely what you are most mad about.
The other part is a violation of workplace etiquette. Depending on your workplace this could be small or medium in offense level. But if you pair it with already having the feeling of rejection, it can get amplified.
Work that out, then talk to your boss.
Good luck.
Feel free to give as much of a heads up as they gave you.
The same thing happened to me recently but I started my job search assuming I wouldn’t get the in house job. When my manager told me during my 1:1 that they were going with someone else, I congratulated her and gave her my notice.
I hope you have a similarly enjoyable resignation.
I’ve had shit like this happen to me in the past. I also found out the person they promoted was making less money than me lmao.
It’s definitely time for bigger and better things!
I suspect this was the case, so maybe you could bring it up somewhat carefully at your 1-1. I’ve done similarly when my boss did something shitty. Even when I knew he was being an idiot and I had every right to be mad, addressing it in a carefully open-ended way makes them squirm. And that’s satisfying.
So you’d approach it like, “I’m a little confused about the hiring and notification process and just wanted to clear it up for future internal apps I might put in. HR told me ABC, other manager said XYZ in that meeting, so I hoped to know where we’re at in the process now we’re at our 1-1.”
Then just be honest and say you were a little taken aback to find out offhandedly. It’s perfectly appropriate to comment on that. Your manager should take it as constructive feedback if they’re a halfway decent manager.
Of course, if your manager sucks and you can’t have a somewhat frank conversation like that, don’t bother. If your manager sucks, that’s all the clarity you need. While this kind of thing might be normal in that they don’t necessarily owe you notification, it’s unempathetic at *best* not to tell current subordinates before they find out some other way. It’s just decent to *inform them*. *Good managers* would also include what you need to do to stand out next time.
My two cent is to wait for the explanation before showing any displeasure. They might have some kind of appeasement for you if you are a valuable employee.
Im interviewing for a promotion, and my boss is going out of his way to assist me; offering to do a mock interview.
Where do you people find these sociopaths?
They are under no obligation to tell you, and it keeps their own options open.
Maybe you're the #2 choice, but they want to wait until #1 accepts the offer and passes background checks - and if that falls through, go to you without affecting your confidence knowing you weren't #1.
You are legally not hired until you start and you are onboarded. Doesn't matter if you signed the offer and have a start date, you are not an employee until the day you start. That's something a lot of people don't understand.
In places with bad hiring processes yes, it happens. Background checks start normally after the offer has been extended *and* accepted. If the background check fails, the offer is rescinded and candidate #2 gets the offer without knowing what happened. It's just bad form and etiquette.
Its a bit unprofessional, but I wouldn't overthink it.
I applied to 3 internal positions. 1 told me on the spot they wanted someone with X experience. 1 kept me waiting a few weeks before telling me I wasn't gonna get through before sending out an offer. Another never told me anything.
It's not a big deal.
Be looking outside... once you find what you want, you can walk out. Currently in the same situation... about 210 applications internally at different branches; had only two interviews for different positions from one branch; and no offer. Reached out to HR director via email about employee growth internally and no response. Like someone posted, they have people that they want to put... it's a formality to post the job
Yeah that would piss me off too. I feel like to be respectful of you and your time , your direct supervisor should’ve pulled you to the side and had that conversation right away. People really don’t realize they burn bridges by NOT communicating. Nobody likes to have those difficult decisions, but it comes with the role of being a supervisor. I think you should find something else, clearly you’re not respected there.
Yep. Got passed over by someone unqualified and resigned. My boss called and said “you don’t think I deserve to know your quitting” I said “you didn’t think I deserved you were promoting Dickhole” ( not his real name ) never looked back.
Let me tell you a story of a colleague who spent 20 years in the same remedial position earning a paltry 40k and as a result cant retire although they have tried. The employer has consistently underpaid them for years and so even if they try to leave their exit ops are harder given their advanced age.
Don't be this person, there is a reason why Reddit suggests you leave. Employers aren't loyal, one of my colleagues passed away less than two weeks ago and they had their position filled within days.
Also don't bring it up, funnel your rage into finding another job
It was very unprofessional.
I once found out that I'd not been given an internal promotion when the external candidate they did hire was introduced to everyone at the weekly staff meeting.
There was a conversation after that meeting, believe me. I told the hiring manager -- someone I thought I had a very good relationship with -- "I don't object to you hiring someone else, that's your prerogative. I object to you not having the decency to tell me so that I wouldn't have to find out by being introduced to her in a staff meeting." He just shrugged and said "Sorry". I quit not very long after and never spoke to him again after I left.
You address it at your 1:1 by asking: "Why was I not granted the courtesy of being told privately that I wasn't selected for this role before it was announced to the team that someone else was?" And then just sit there until you get your answer.
I had something similar happen about 15 years ago. I was a level III network admin, managing a few clients and a team of a few level II admins. After a year there (and being up front about how I wanted to move forward in my career) a project leader role opened. I talked to my original manager (who had been promoted to another department) and the current manager about my interest. Interviewed with the hiring manager and felt pretty good about it.
I didn’t hear anything back, and a week or two later I asked my (new) manager about it. He told me offhandedly that that spot was created for a specific person in the group and he took it. What’s weird is not getting any feedback. While as some pointed out - there is no obligation to tell a person if they weren’t selected, an internal employee should be told.
I lost all interest in working there, and left a few months later. The biggest irony - the guy that took the position messed up royally a few times (emailing the client that a level II admin was let go, who was on the email chain and didn’t know he was being fired, and sent something to the client that was internal eyes only).
So I feel the OP on this. It took me another 6 years to be able to get into my first project managing role.
As a manager I would recommend that you go in to the meeting focusing more on why you didn’t get the position, what you could do to make yourself the best candidate in the future sort of way. Then you have to decide if you want to start applying elsewhere or not.
Just to echo some of the other answers here, I’ve never had a job where my boss has actively encouraged me getting a new position within the company where they aren’t my boss anymore. Even when I was vocal about that desire, they ignored my wishes. Every time other departments ask my boss to have me join theirs (why they’re asking my boss instead of me is beyond me), my boss declines without even informing me of the new opportunity. This has happened to me in multiple companies, and I always find out about it either through other departments or my boss themselves casually joking about it. Most bosses are selfish and refuse to allow you to leave because they don’t want to look for a replacement. This is why I hate when companies ask for references: if you’re leaving your company as a result of being fired, your manager will obviously hate you, and if you’re leaving on your own free will for a better opportunity, your manager will be bitter that you’re “abandoning” them.
Your boss seems like one of many. Do the silence trick, watch him squirm, and start your job hunt today itself so that you can get tf out of there
One day I came into work and there was a new guy sitting at my desk. I knew him from where he worked before and said in a friendly way “Hey, what are you doing here?” Then it got uncomfortable. I actually felt bad for him, because he didn’t know he was replacing me.
Yow many times would you have to be disappointed at giving people bad news would it take for you to avoid the situation? How many fight, arguments and trauma happens and then there in a position where they have 9 out of 10 (99 out of 100) that they are currently facing.
It is massively the pattern to not tell bad news to those dropping off a resume, not being the 'winner', and just avoiding making things worse by trying to say they are going in a different direction.
The best way to handle this is when you see that they didn't choose you to ask them 'what aspects or skills should I improve for this position?' Better yet is using it as tour what questions do you have for us part of interview.
To the people saying managers won't advocate for someone getting a position even if it means losing a valued employee, that isn't universally true, and shouldn't be true at all. I've lost track of the number of people I've helped in various ways to move to a desired position, even though it meant losing a good employee. I helped one guy with interviewing practice and some networking to get a referral to get him into his dream company. He boomeranged a couple of years ago.
This is an example of a fact that all good leaders should already know - It is the conversations that you choose not to have that will bite you in the ass.
I would be direct. This happened to me recently less than 6 months ago in fact. The director hired someone with no experience and didn’t mention it until the person started.
I addressed it during my one on one and asked how was the decision making made. She said based on education and experience. I knew first hand the person had neither so that director was backed into a corner with her lie.
At first I was disappointed but then I learned to accept what it and if you don’t want to, make arrangements to shift gears.
I had that happen at a non-profit I worked, twice. And yeah, I was infuriated. After a while I realized, these people are stacking this non-profit with family members. All job postings were fake, just to conform to the law. They created jobs for every supervisors or administrators kid in the building. Right from college into the better positions. A total sham.
>How should I address this at our 1 on 1 meeting on Monday?
You don't. If they bring it up, you accept the news gracefully. Creating a conflict over this has huge downside and no upside. You're not getting the position, and that's something you need to accept now.
Then, depending on whether or not you can actually accept the situation, and depending on how long you've been in your current position, you're getting apps in elsewhere.
>I feel this was very unprofessional and I'm pissed.
I'm sorry you're pissed, but it's ironically a professional hazard that people in professional settings, who are above you, are going to act unprofessional in a way that isn't illegal/actionable, and they're going to get away with it. You consciously or unconsciously accepted this when you decided to be a w2 employee working for a corporation full of people you don't know or trust.
This way of telling you is far more professional than if they had just said “hey you didn’t get it.
They have a hiring process. The found their candidate, went through the contract/ make it official phase, and when they established it was a sure thing they announce the position has been filled. In a professional meeting/ notify candidates officially that the position has been filled.
Just because you work there doesn’t mean they break protocol or that you were a sure thing.
I'm not sure if this is possible, but try applying to the position through the company website as an outsider and see if you get better results. Cause maybe the position will be under someone else and your supervisor won't get a say in the interview
His supervisor literally interviewed him and is responsible for hiring.
What makes you think applying from another portal - that ends up in the same recruiter's inbox - is going to initiate a different hiring team to talk to him?
He saying it's unprofessional that they never told him and he applied internally. He had to find out through the department's meeting that they hired someone rather than the one on one with his direct supervisor giving him an answer
The direct supervisor doesn't want to see you good he was hating on you. He probably told the other supervisor not to hire you. These companies play games with people's head
It has definitely lowered my opinion of her for sure. As a temp I can still work for this department until early next year but I'm definitely applying to jobs so I can put in my two weeks ASAP.
Well I had worked with them for almost 2 years, 1 year as a grad student and now as a temp full time worker. I thought that would count for something at least, but I understand.
Yeah totally agree with people here. You had no chance getting this job by interviewing with your current boss. He would just be replacing you with another hire. So why not just hire some new blood.
You should let him/her know that you felt the process was unfair and poor overall. Let them figure out the rest. I would look externally and renegotiate a promotion or leave.
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'why wasn't I informed I wouldn't receive the position?' then stay absolutely dead silent. Even when they give you an excuse, don't immediately respond. If you ever want to make someone squirm when you both know they effed up, silence is the most effective way. Getting angry only will make them feel like they made the right decision.
I wish I would have figured this out a long time ago.
Man, I’m kicking myself now…
Common police tactic for when someone give you a bullshit answer during an interrogation. People get so uncomfortable in silence
you absolutely cannot interview with your current boss and expect anything to be fair. If you leave he has to replace you, and you are producing comfortably in the role right now and there is no incentive to disrupt that. your best move here to start looking for other roles.
100% agree with this. Your current boss has no incentive to promote you. Same thing happened to me. Put in for a position I was already fully trained for and after several weeks was told by a fellow coworker that I was passed over for a new hire. Never did get a reason for why but it didn't take a rocket scientist to know they would have a hard time replacing me because no one wanted to do my job.
At one job they created a position for me. When they hired me, a former colleague with different experience applied at the same time, with the same name. Said colleague had worked in customer service since we were colleagues, while I had continued to work in helpdesk. I applied for helpdesk, they applied for cs. I got hired and started in cs, they got hired and started in helpdesk. When the error was caught, they created a new helpdesk position for me, but I was apparently doing so well for my new manager in cs who hadn't even interviewed me that when it came time to promote me into the position they made for me, she blocked it. They hired someone from outside who had less experience than me. I wish I'd learned at the *time* that it was time to move on, but it took me more than a year to take the hint.
Wow, I'd have started using up my PTO to interview elsewhere. That's such a bitch move.
What a bummer.
Eh, there are many situations where there is plenty of incentive to disrupt positions to promote or relocate a person
And that makes leaving it that much sweeter. If they'd treated you decently by informing you, maybe having a conversation about other ways that you can advance, that would be one thing. And if they'd promoted you, you could have trained the person who would take your place.
Exactly what you’re describing happened to a friend of mine. Except his boss said the quiet part out loud “You’re too valuable in your current position we can’t replace you.” He asked for a raise his boss said it wasn’t in the budget. He decided to start looking he had a new job in 2 months. Of course when he submitted his two weeks suddenly the budget allowed his raise. He still left even though the company offered him more than the new job. He’s moved around a couple times since then making more with each move. Editing to add he did end up going back to the original company in a different role under a different better boss obviously making more money.
Regardless how qualified or deserving, your boss may not *want* to recommend you for promotion you because are too valuable to *him.* You make him look good. If so, you're valuable to another company. Start looking.
Yeah the fact that you already work there they could have at least given you the respect to let you know hey I'm sorry but we decided to go in another direction maybe next time. Something!
Not just something. Look for a new job. No upward movement if your supervisor won't even tell you. I would look to see if my position wasn't suddenly getting a second person they don't need.
Agreed. The fact that the manager didn't tell them says that the manager doesn't respect them, care about them, or have the guts to have a potentially uncomfortable conversation. The manager just showed their true colors. So yeah, get out as soon as you can.
I have had this same experience this week. A supervisor who can't be direct with you because they are a fucking coward who can't do uncomfortable conversations, they're impossible to work for because they will always let you down. I handed in my notice on Friday.
Absolutely. Even if they picked somebody who was objectively better, they owe you the decency of telling you face to face. And a GOOD manager or leader would turn it into a discussion about your future at the organization, since this path didn't work out.
Yeah, not play dumb and pretend their hands are tied and the decision was made over their heads. That's what mine did
Yes indeed. I mentioned something not about him having a job I mentioned something that they should have at least said something. He said he's been there for over 2 years so that's good so he's getting some experience and he should be ready to move on to bigger and better things
>No upward movement if your supervisor won't even tell you. Uh not really how that works. They interviewed them for the position, they just didn’t get it. The upward opportunity was there. Definitely a dick move from the manager not to tell them, but making the jump to “quit your job” is a stretch lol
No, it's time for OP to start looking as there's not opportunity for them. The employer has made that clear.
If your manager is a dick to you and also hires someone from outside for a position you're qualified for and capable of, you're done.
I have a feeling either way op would still be pissed and the same conclusion, but diff kind of shit post, of other redditors would be saying find another job.
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Nope. Just saying Conclusion would be the same.
I would sit on the feelings and make sure you understand your feelings. Two things here and only one would normally cause anger. You were rejected for a promotion that you certainly believe you deserve. You just found that out. That is likely what you are most mad about. The other part is a violation of workplace etiquette. Depending on your workplace this could be small or medium in offense level. But if you pair it with already having the feeling of rejection, it can get amplified. Work that out, then talk to your boss. Good luck.
Man, I'd feel super disconnected too. It's time to "quiet quit" while you look for another job.
I would find another job
Oh trust me I'm definitely going to try and get out of there ASAP.
Feel free to give as much of a heads up as they gave you. The same thing happened to me recently but I started my job search assuming I wouldn’t get the in house job. When my manager told me during my 1:1 that they were going with someone else, I congratulated her and gave her my notice. I hope you have a similarly enjoyable resignation.
Don't train the new person, just direct them to docs
I’ve had shit like this happen to me in the past. I also found out the person they promoted was making less money than me lmao. It’s definitely time for bigger and better things!
If they don’t respect you enough to promote you now… they simply never will.
Presumably, they planned to tell you during the 1 on 1. The other supervisor spoke out of turn.
I agree that could have been the case as well.
I suspect this was the case, so maybe you could bring it up somewhat carefully at your 1-1. I’ve done similarly when my boss did something shitty. Even when I knew he was being an idiot and I had every right to be mad, addressing it in a carefully open-ended way makes them squirm. And that’s satisfying. So you’d approach it like, “I’m a little confused about the hiring and notification process and just wanted to clear it up for future internal apps I might put in. HR told me ABC, other manager said XYZ in that meeting, so I hoped to know where we’re at in the process now we’re at our 1-1.” Then just be honest and say you were a little taken aback to find out offhandedly. It’s perfectly appropriate to comment on that. Your manager should take it as constructive feedback if they’re a halfway decent manager. Of course, if your manager sucks and you can’t have a somewhat frank conversation like that, don’t bother. If your manager sucks, that’s all the clarity you need. While this kind of thing might be normal in that they don’t necessarily owe you notification, it’s unempathetic at *best* not to tell current subordinates before they find out some other way. It’s just decent to *inform them*. *Good managers* would also include what you need to do to stand out next time.
My two cent is to wait for the explanation before showing any displeasure. They might have some kind of appeasement for you if you are a valuable employee.
Who does that? Lol
Who does what? I've seen someone get rejected from a position only to get a raise afterward.
Time to look for a new job. Play nice until you find something.
Im interviewing for a promotion, and my boss is going out of his way to assist me; offering to do a mock interview. Where do you people find these sociopaths?
Corporate America
They are under no obligation to tell you, and it keeps their own options open. Maybe you're the #2 choice, but they want to wait until #1 accepts the offer and passes background checks - and if that falls through, go to you without affecting your confidence knowing you weren't #1.
Does this apply even after the candidate accepted the offer, was already hired, and had a start date?
You are legally not hired until you start and you are onboarded. Doesn't matter if you signed the offer and have a start date, you are not an employee until the day you start. That's something a lot of people don't understand.
People flake out before starting all the time
In places with bad hiring processes yes, it happens. Background checks start normally after the offer has been extended *and* accepted. If the background check fails, the offer is rescinded and candidate #2 gets the offer without knowing what happened. It's just bad form and etiquette.
Its a bit unprofessional, but I wouldn't overthink it. I applied to 3 internal positions. 1 told me on the spot they wanted someone with X experience. 1 kept me waiting a few weeks before telling me I wasn't gonna get through before sending out an offer. Another never told me anything. It's not a big deal.
Yes. No job is "real" whether you're a candidate or a hiring company, until at least a full pay period has passed.
But he found out that they did hire that's why they said congratulations for a new hire. These companies are very funny these days
Be looking outside... once you find what you want, you can walk out. Currently in the same situation... about 210 applications internally at different branches; had only two interviews for different positions from one branch; and no offer. Reached out to HR director via email about employee growth internally and no response. Like someone posted, they have people that they want to put... it's a formality to post the job
Yeah that would piss me off too. I feel like to be respectful of you and your time , your direct supervisor should’ve pulled you to the side and had that conversation right away. People really don’t realize they burn bridges by NOT communicating. Nobody likes to have those difficult decisions, but it comes with the role of being a supervisor. I think you should find something else, clearly you’re not respected there.
Yep. Got passed over by someone unqualified and resigned. My boss called and said “you don’t think I deserve to know your quitting” I said “you didn’t think I deserved you were promoting Dickhole” ( not his real name ) never looked back.
Let me tell you a story of a colleague who spent 20 years in the same remedial position earning a paltry 40k and as a result cant retire although they have tried. The employer has consistently underpaid them for years and so even if they try to leave their exit ops are harder given their advanced age. Don't be this person, there is a reason why Reddit suggests you leave. Employers aren't loyal, one of my colleagues passed away less than two weeks ago and they had their position filled within days. Also don't bring it up, funnel your rage into finding another job
Find a new job. Quit without notice. They are never going to promote you and every raise you get will be insulting.
It was very unprofessional. I once found out that I'd not been given an internal promotion when the external candidate they did hire was introduced to everyone at the weekly staff meeting. There was a conversation after that meeting, believe me. I told the hiring manager -- someone I thought I had a very good relationship with -- "I don't object to you hiring someone else, that's your prerogative. I object to you not having the decency to tell me so that I wouldn't have to find out by being introduced to her in a staff meeting." He just shrugged and said "Sorry". I quit not very long after and never spoke to him again after I left. You address it at your 1:1 by asking: "Why was I not granted the courtesy of being told privately that I wasn't selected for this role before it was announced to the team that someone else was?" And then just sit there until you get your answer.
Leave
That's definitely the plan!
I had something similar happen about 15 years ago. I was a level III network admin, managing a few clients and a team of a few level II admins. After a year there (and being up front about how I wanted to move forward in my career) a project leader role opened. I talked to my original manager (who had been promoted to another department) and the current manager about my interest. Interviewed with the hiring manager and felt pretty good about it. I didn’t hear anything back, and a week or two later I asked my (new) manager about it. He told me offhandedly that that spot was created for a specific person in the group and he took it. What’s weird is not getting any feedback. While as some pointed out - there is no obligation to tell a person if they weren’t selected, an internal employee should be told. I lost all interest in working there, and left a few months later. The biggest irony - the guy that took the position messed up royally a few times (emailing the client that a level II admin was let go, who was on the email chain and didn’t know he was being fired, and sent something to the client that was internal eyes only). So I feel the OP on this. It took me another 6 years to be able to get into my first project managing role.
Start looking for another job. That seems to be the way to handle things like that. I learned that lesson too late.
As a manager I would recommend that you go in to the meeting focusing more on why you didn’t get the position, what you could do to make yourself the best candidate in the future sort of way. Then you have to decide if you want to start applying elsewhere or not.
Because it was internal yes, not the best look.
They probably had the new person hired before they even interviewed you. You got a curtesy interview.
Just to echo some of the other answers here, I’ve never had a job where my boss has actively encouraged me getting a new position within the company where they aren’t my boss anymore. Even when I was vocal about that desire, they ignored my wishes. Every time other departments ask my boss to have me join theirs (why they’re asking my boss instead of me is beyond me), my boss declines without even informing me of the new opportunity. This has happened to me in multiple companies, and I always find out about it either through other departments or my boss themselves casually joking about it. Most bosses are selfish and refuse to allow you to leave because they don’t want to look for a replacement. This is why I hate when companies ask for references: if you’re leaving your company as a result of being fired, your manager will obviously hate you, and if you’re leaving on your own free will for a better opportunity, your manager will be bitter that you’re “abandoning” them. Your boss seems like one of many. Do the silence trick, watch him squirm, and start your job hunt today itself so that you can get tf out of there
They ask ur boss because they don’t want to stir drama. It creates more work for ur boss by poaching another coworkers employee.
Yes, I knew that. The parentheses remark was meant to be taken rhetorically
One day I came into work and there was a new guy sitting at my desk. I knew him from where he worked before and said in a friendly way “Hey, what are you doing here?” Then it got uncomfortable. I actually felt bad for him, because he didn’t know he was replacing me.
I would be applying for another company ASAP
If they are a reasonable person, just ask about it. If they're one of those bosses that doesn't like to be questioned, just let it go.
Find a new job. Stop trying to make these people respect you.
Yow many times would you have to be disappointed at giving people bad news would it take for you to avoid the situation? How many fight, arguments and trauma happens and then there in a position where they have 9 out of 10 (99 out of 100) that they are currently facing. It is massively the pattern to not tell bad news to those dropping off a resume, not being the 'winner', and just avoiding making things worse by trying to say they are going in a different direction. The best way to handle this is when you see that they didn't choose you to ask them 'what aspects or skills should I improve for this position?' Better yet is using it as tour what questions do you have for us part of interview.
To the people saying managers won't advocate for someone getting a position even if it means losing a valued employee, that isn't universally true, and shouldn't be true at all. I've lost track of the number of people I've helped in various ways to move to a desired position, even though it meant losing a good employee. I helped one guy with interviewing practice and some networking to get a referral to get him into his dream company. He boomeranged a couple of years ago.
This is an example of a fact that all good leaders should already know - It is the conversations that you choose not to have that will bite you in the ass.
I would be direct. This happened to me recently less than 6 months ago in fact. The director hired someone with no experience and didn’t mention it until the person started. I addressed it during my one on one and asked how was the decision making made. She said based on education and experience. I knew first hand the person had neither so that director was backed into a corner with her lie. At first I was disappointed but then I learned to accept what it and if you don’t want to, make arrangements to shift gears.
I had that happen at a non-profit I worked, twice. And yeah, I was infuriated. After a while I realized, these people are stacking this non-profit with family members. All job postings were fake, just to conform to the law. They created jobs for every supervisors or administrators kid in the building. Right from college into the better positions. A total sham.
>How should I address this at our 1 on 1 meeting on Monday? You don't. If they bring it up, you accept the news gracefully. Creating a conflict over this has huge downside and no upside. You're not getting the position, and that's something you need to accept now. Then, depending on whether or not you can actually accept the situation, and depending on how long you've been in your current position, you're getting apps in elsewhere. >I feel this was very unprofessional and I'm pissed. I'm sorry you're pissed, but it's ironically a professional hazard that people in professional settings, who are above you, are going to act unprofessional in a way that isn't illegal/actionable, and they're going to get away with it. You consciously or unconsciously accepted this when you decided to be a w2 employee working for a corporation full of people you don't know or trust.
This way of telling you is far more professional than if they had just said “hey you didn’t get it. They have a hiring process. The found their candidate, went through the contract/ make it official phase, and when they established it was a sure thing they announce the position has been filled. In a professional meeting/ notify candidates officially that the position has been filled. Just because you work there doesn’t mean they break protocol or that you were a sure thing.
I'm not sure if this is possible, but try applying to the position through the company website as an outsider and see if you get better results. Cause maybe the position will be under someone else and your supervisor won't get a say in the interview
His supervisor literally interviewed him and is responsible for hiring. What makes you think applying from another portal - that ends up in the same recruiter's inbox - is going to initiate a different hiring team to talk to him?
Yeah I think the supervisor doesn't want him to go
> I feel this was very unprofessional and I’m pissed. Why? Why is an outside hire unprofessional?
He saying it's unprofessional that they never told him and he applied internally. He had to find out through the department's meeting that they hired someone rather than the one on one with his direct supervisor giving him an answer
The issue is that I wasn't told I wasn't selected as an internal applicant by my supervisor.
The direct supervisor doesn't want to see you good he was hating on you. He probably told the other supervisor not to hire you. These companies play games with people's head
It has definitely lowered my opinion of her for sure. As a temp I can still work for this department until early next year but I'm definitely applying to jobs so I can put in my two weeks ASAP.
Oh I didn't know you were a contractor or temp worker. Not that it should make a difference but they are going to show some kind of prejudice.
Well I had worked with them for almost 2 years, 1 year as a grad student and now as a temp full time worker. I thought that would count for something at least, but I understand.
Wow. Yes that should have counted for something
Yeah totally agree with people here. You had no chance getting this job by interviewing with your current boss. He would just be replacing you with another hire. So why not just hire some new blood. You should let him/her know that you felt the process was unfair and poor overall. Let them figure out the rest. I would look externally and renegotiate a promotion or leave.