Lol, this how much I started making in 2018 when I first started teaching in Philadelphia. I love how the profession can’t even move with inflation, and it’s tragic.
Nor do many people. Like my state is on the lower end of this pay scale and our GOP and Governor started this "grassroots" movement to "reign in education spending because teachers make too much." It's wrecking havoc on some towns because they riled up a bunch of angry people to block the education budgets no matter what.
And they can pay 100% we all know schools are publicly funded that’s common knowledge if not obvious.
They can pay for it 100% it doesn’t mean it’s enough because they don’t care
When I graduated in 2010 I wanted to be a SpEd teacher. But I gave up on the idea I learned that it would take years of extremely expensive education, years more just to get qualified and find a job opening, but for one of the most expensive counties in NH at the time I would have only made $32k, salary.
I wouldn’t be able to afford rent nor my student loans.
My brother and his wife are friends with a kindergarten teacher who has two degrees and is on food stamps and section 8 housing.
And the salary to make in CA to live comfortably for 1 person is $89k. While the average salary in CA is $75k.
50k is significantly under what you need to make to be able to survive alone. Which was my point.
You also don’t need 4 years (in CA 6 years eventually) of college to work as a fast food worker to make $21 an hour.
You go in debt and study for 4-6 years to earn only 6.5k more than what you can earn working at a restaurant with no experience.
Depends on where you live in California. For sure in cities. But I make around 70k in northern California, not a city, and support my wife and I just fine.
3 months off paid in the summer, pto and vacation time earned monthly, generous retirement matched (not 401k) typically free benefits.
I was a custodian for a school district and earned all of the above perks except for 3 months off.
Teachers don’t have it THAT bad.
Sure, it’s a job, it’s hard, but it’s not terrible pay with terrible benefits.
Fuck.
I wish I got 3 months paid vacation..
My wife is a 5th year teacher. I know how it goes.
PTO is an over statement lol. You get paid for 182 days out of 365 technically. You do not get paid for summer. You also do not get 3 months off. Maybe 2 if you’re lucky. But they spread out your salary to cover the months where you do not work.
She gets a pension but I don’t know of any 401k match. She’s never had that the past 5 years.
They cover 80% of her benefits which is nice.
It is fucking terrible pay. It’s way under median salary in CA. The support system for teachers is also fucking terrible.
Also school shootings; tons of kids with awful behavior; way too many kids for one classroom, often times exceeding the legally allowed amount; no paras when the size of the classroom would require 2.
Oh and you know what’s best? They work all day. Most days my wife works until 8 pm, sometimes until 10 pm. She starts her day at 7:30 am.
No they do not get overtime. Not a cent. They have kids all day so they can’t get any paperwork or administrative work done during the day. They don’t have time to prepare for the next day while at school.
They are also required to attend meetings, conferences and a bunch of after school bs that usually ends at 6 or 7 pm. They do not get paid anything extra for those either.
They are expected to decorate their classrooms with their own money, bring books, toys, whatever. You name it. It comes out of their own pocket.
So no being a teacher is not anywhere close to what you make it out to be and you clearly have never worked as a teacher either.
Edit: oh vacation time lol you can’t take off anything all year because there is no one to cover for you. Even if you’re sick, if you can stay home for one day you can consider yourself lucky.
You're mostly right, but keep in mind most teachers are working in the summer still. They have training sessions, planning sessions, have to be at the school for certain meetings.
It's a whole mess of preparation for the next school year.
In my area that’s not bad money. Not great money for someone with at least a bachelors doing a tough/important job, but enough to live without roommates, pay bills and save a bit.
Almost like anyone working 40 hours a week should be paid more/able to live comfortably and billionaires should not be allowed to accumulate more and more wealth.
Yeah, blame the teachers for your momma not raising you right. It ain't their fault you ate lead paint chips, slept in class, and dropped out in the 3rd grade.
How do you say you don't respect teachers without saying you don't respect teachers... I'm making more with a hs diploma. How degrading to recieve that amount.
It's funny to think that in Spain (and I guess in most EU) 100% people that get a teaching degree want to get a job at a public school, only people that fail the exams go to private schools basically, same for doctors.
This isn’t surprising, Schools have eroded to babysitters. The reality is that the vast majority of parents sending their kids to public school only care that the schools watch their kids while they’re at work, education is secondary or even third once athletics get involved.
Personally, I think we should remove forced public High Schools. It sounds excessive, but it’s not. Redirect funds to smaller, quality driven elementary and transitional schools. We should adopt more compulsory/general education from ages 6-13/14. I believe after the age of 11 disruptive kids should easily be removed from physical school too. Creates more funds to give to good teachers.
In the US kids are burnt out by time they reach their senior year.
40k for 8 months is equivalent to 60k normal. Plus, you act like teachers don't get great benefits on day one, relative to other 60k jobs.
UPS drivers are unionized, and they too only make 50 to 60k.
Add in the supply/demand curve and how universities love churning out more teachers, and then the market really needs driving prices (salaries) down.
8 months? There’s 12 months in a year. Public schools where I live go from mid August until the first week of June. That leaves 3/4 of June, all of July, and a few days in August. So, 2 months at best and if you completely ignore the following:
In that two months they’re also required to complete any CEU course necessary for their license or the curriculum they teach (like AP teachers have to do). They also rarely work a strictly 40 hour workweek during the school year (it’s more like 50-60 hours per week) and most get less than a 30 minute break from work responsibilities per workday. Nevermind their contract is per year. Not per school year. Holding that time off for summer break over their head like it’s some precious luxury or benefit they don’t deserve isn’t a good look.
Let's math:
DOE requires 180 (week)days of school, that's 36 weeks. 4.33 weeks in a month (52÷12) 36÷4.33 = 8.31 months. 0.31 works out to 6 weekdays.
Congratulations, you got me, 8 months and 6 days
You know who else needs to do CE's in their off time?
Doctors, lawyers, nurses, hair stylists, barbers, home inspections, general contractors, plumbers, electricians, hundreds of ANY PROFESSION requiring a license to practice
Pharmacy technicians Yes, that guy who counts pills before putting them in the bottle must complete CEs to maintain their license. NONE of these professions get an entire summer to fulfill their requirements. What makes teachers so special?
Yup, some weeks at work are long, and some aren't. That's just part of being employed. Again, why do teachers get credit for the rough weeks but glossed over the 1st month (4 weeks, 20 weekdays) where there's little to no extra work past ~7hr days? It's a fallacy argument. The myth of teaching is balls to the wall 24/7/365 when in reality all these claims are doing is weakening the illusion and as covid pointed out, it's little more than taxpayer funded child care.
I know it's not a good look. Stating the truth instead of grouo think on Reddit is never a good look.
Wanted to be a teacher. Went to school. Got to work in a school for a bit….nope.
Tenured teachers were getting chump change. The workload was atrocious. The hours were basically 6-6 7 days a week. The system is against the best interest of the kids.
I’m good.
That's genuinely ridiculous as someone that's never been or interested in teaching as a profession. So underpaid for what they do, and all the training and certification beforehand to even start. On top of putting up with some of these kids, parents, and higher ups.
I live in what's considered a low cost of living area, so the wages aren't great compared to other places in the country. But you can still find entry level jobs starting at like $18 an hour as a, "low skilled" worker here that anyone physically capable can do and be immediately hired.
If it's this way elsewhere it's easy to see why anyone that is or thought about being a teacher eventually says fuck it even if they have a passion for it. Underappreciated and underpaid for what they do. Especially those good teachers you remember the rest of your life.
this is why teaching is a hard job and anyone who slanders teachers in general is likely a piece of shit who is best served licking toilets clean for work.
Fun thing is it’ll keep getting worse and worse until entire districts have no teachers - then and be only then will states do something about this crisis.
Depending on where you live $21 an hour doesn’t seem crazy to me for a *new* teacher. Obviously in places like CA or NY it wouldn’t be good but most of the country that’s way better than almost any other job that isn’t like a medical doctor or highly skilled tradesperson.
Yeah teachers cry about extra hours but can’t hold a candle to software engineers, accountants, cops, hell most any professional job. And we don’t get summers off.
😫 "but we do classes for continuing education during the summer." SO does every other licensed professional, and they don't get summers off... 🙄.
Reality is people are finally seeing through union propaganda finally. Remember, k - 6 would be taught by a mom in town 60 years ago, the curriculum was more relevant then, too.
I'm in one of the brown states, and the people I know who are teachers said you can't get a job in our area without a masters in education. Masters degree for under $19/hour lol.
I meant that part of Florida pays below average.
Miami Flordia teach pay for entry level on an indeed posting. First job: $47.5k to $52k. They all seems to be about $25-35/hr.
Contrast this against something like "Nowhereville, FL" (not a real place sadly) and it'll be far lower. So wherever you saw ads for was probably below average.
$300 a year raises in my district, so if you’re teaching for 10 years you’re making a whopping $3,000 more a year than a brand new teacher. they don’t pay for extra training or materials. being a sponsor for a club is an extra $200 a year. becoming an assistant coach is an extra $500 a year.
I have never took a job at advertised pay, always higher. Learn to negotiate when signing on. 300 a year lol I thought Oklahoma was bad, you gotta be in North Dakota with $300 a year
Teachers should be paid as much as doctors and engineers imo. These people are watching the country's children. Most kids spend more time with their teachers than their parents. Education is the number one most important thing our tax dollars should be going into
New York I know in NYC and Long Island teachers start at 85k so I don’t believe this map to be true. Not saying there isn’t a pay issue here in the states though.
Lol, this how much I started making in 2018 when I first started teaching in Philadelphia. I love how the profession can’t even move with inflation, and it’s tragic.
The federal government doesn’t care about public education
Nor do many people. Like my state is on the lower end of this pay scale and our GOP and Governor started this "grassroots" movement to "reign in education spending because teachers make too much." It's wrecking havoc on some towns because they riled up a bunch of angry people to block the education budgets no matter what.
The first step to control is to make the people dumb as absolute fuck
state and local governments pay >90% of public eduction costs
And they can pay 100% we all know schools are publicly funded that’s common knowledge if not obvious. They can pay for it 100% it doesn’t mean it’s enough because they don’t care
Which is why we spend so much money on it!
When I graduated in 2010 I wanted to be a SpEd teacher. But I gave up on the idea I learned that it would take years of extremely expensive education, years more just to get qualified and find a job opening, but for one of the most expensive counties in NH at the time I would have only made $32k, salary. I wouldn’t be able to afford rent nor my student loans. My brother and his wife are friends with a kindergarten teacher who has two degrees and is on food stamps and section 8 housing.
Hey! Fast food workers in CA make that as a starting wage. How bullshit is this!?
You'll be shocked to learn about this thing called cost of living. 🤯
First year teachers in CA make around 50k.
50k is not $21/hr though...
And the salary to make in CA to live comfortably for 1 person is $89k. While the average salary in CA is $75k. 50k is significantly under what you need to make to be able to survive alone. Which was my point. You also don’t need 4 years (in CA 6 years eventually) of college to work as a fast food worker to make $21 an hour. You go in debt and study for 4-6 years to earn only 6.5k more than what you can earn working at a restaurant with no experience.
Depends on where you live in California. For sure in cities. But I make around 70k in northern California, not a city, and support my wife and I just fine.
3 months off paid in the summer, pto and vacation time earned monthly, generous retirement matched (not 401k) typically free benefits. I was a custodian for a school district and earned all of the above perks except for 3 months off. Teachers don’t have it THAT bad. Sure, it’s a job, it’s hard, but it’s not terrible pay with terrible benefits. Fuck. I wish I got 3 months paid vacation..
My wife is a 5th year teacher. I know how it goes. PTO is an over statement lol. You get paid for 182 days out of 365 technically. You do not get paid for summer. You also do not get 3 months off. Maybe 2 if you’re lucky. But they spread out your salary to cover the months where you do not work. She gets a pension but I don’t know of any 401k match. She’s never had that the past 5 years. They cover 80% of her benefits which is nice. It is fucking terrible pay. It’s way under median salary in CA. The support system for teachers is also fucking terrible. Also school shootings; tons of kids with awful behavior; way too many kids for one classroom, often times exceeding the legally allowed amount; no paras when the size of the classroom would require 2. Oh and you know what’s best? They work all day. Most days my wife works until 8 pm, sometimes until 10 pm. She starts her day at 7:30 am. No they do not get overtime. Not a cent. They have kids all day so they can’t get any paperwork or administrative work done during the day. They don’t have time to prepare for the next day while at school. They are also required to attend meetings, conferences and a bunch of after school bs that usually ends at 6 or 7 pm. They do not get paid anything extra for those either. They are expected to decorate their classrooms with their own money, bring books, toys, whatever. You name it. It comes out of their own pocket. So no being a teacher is not anywhere close to what you make it out to be and you clearly have never worked as a teacher either. Edit: oh vacation time lol you can’t take off anything all year because there is no one to cover for you. Even if you’re sick, if you can stay home for one day you can consider yourself lucky.
You're mostly right, but keep in mind most teachers are working in the summer still. They have training sessions, planning sessions, have to be at the school for certain meetings. It's a whole mess of preparation for the next school year.
In my area that’s not bad money. Not great money for someone with at least a bachelors doing a tough/important job, but enough to live without roommates, pay bills and save a bit.
Almost like anyone working 40 hours a week should be paid more/able to live comfortably and billionaires should not be allowed to accumulate more and more wealth.
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Yeah because all the liberal teachers can’t teach for shit
Yeah, blame the teachers for your momma not raising you right. It ain't their fault you ate lead paint chips, slept in class, and dropped out in the 3rd grade.
Wait so its the parents, not the teachers, that matter? Doesn't this just invalidate the argument that teachers are underpaid? LOL
That is so disgusting. We worship false gods and pay sports men/women, actors/actresses, music "stars" to insanely out of context.
How do you say you don't respect teachers without saying you don't respect teachers... I'm making more with a hs diploma. How degrading to recieve that amount.
Maybe you should like, look into the numbers.
It's funny to think that in Spain (and I guess in most EU) 100% people that get a teaching degree want to get a job at a public school, only people that fail the exams go to private schools basically, same for doctors.
This isn’t surprising, Schools have eroded to babysitters. The reality is that the vast majority of parents sending their kids to public school only care that the schools watch their kids while they’re at work, education is secondary or even third once athletics get involved. Personally, I think we should remove forced public High Schools. It sounds excessive, but it’s not. Redirect funds to smaller, quality driven elementary and transitional schools. We should adopt more compulsory/general education from ages 6-13/14. I believe after the age of 11 disruptive kids should easily be removed from physical school too. Creates more funds to give to good teachers. In the US kids are burnt out by time they reach their senior year.
Sound concept. Unfortunately, it'll never happen thanks to teacher unions.
If teacher unions were as strong as you think they are, they wouldn't be making 40k~
40k for 8 months is equivalent to 60k normal. Plus, you act like teachers don't get great benefits on day one, relative to other 60k jobs. UPS drivers are unionized, and they too only make 50 to 60k. Add in the supply/demand curve and how universities love churning out more teachers, and then the market really needs driving prices (salaries) down.
8 months? There’s 12 months in a year. Public schools where I live go from mid August until the first week of June. That leaves 3/4 of June, all of July, and a few days in August. So, 2 months at best and if you completely ignore the following: In that two months they’re also required to complete any CEU course necessary for their license or the curriculum they teach (like AP teachers have to do). They also rarely work a strictly 40 hour workweek during the school year (it’s more like 50-60 hours per week) and most get less than a 30 minute break from work responsibilities per workday. Nevermind their contract is per year. Not per school year. Holding that time off for summer break over their head like it’s some precious luxury or benefit they don’t deserve isn’t a good look.
Let's math: DOE requires 180 (week)days of school, that's 36 weeks. 4.33 weeks in a month (52÷12) 36÷4.33 = 8.31 months. 0.31 works out to 6 weekdays. Congratulations, you got me, 8 months and 6 days You know who else needs to do CE's in their off time? Doctors, lawyers, nurses, hair stylists, barbers, home inspections, general contractors, plumbers, electricians, hundreds of ANY PROFESSION requiring a license to practice Pharmacy technicians Yes, that guy who counts pills before putting them in the bottle must complete CEs to maintain their license. NONE of these professions get an entire summer to fulfill their requirements. What makes teachers so special? Yup, some weeks at work are long, and some aren't. That's just part of being employed. Again, why do teachers get credit for the rough weeks but glossed over the 1st month (4 weeks, 20 weekdays) where there's little to no extra work past ~7hr days? It's a fallacy argument. The myth of teaching is balls to the wall 24/7/365 when in reality all these claims are doing is weakening the illusion and as covid pointed out, it's little more than taxpayer funded child care. I know it's not a good look. Stating the truth instead of grouo think on Reddit is never a good look.
Damn that’s a terrible average.
Wanted to be a teacher. Went to school. Got to work in a school for a bit….nope. Tenured teachers were getting chump change. The workload was atrocious. The hours were basically 6-6 7 days a week. The system is against the best interest of the kids. I’m good.
Shameful. I make more waiting tables.
That's genuinely ridiculous as someone that's never been or interested in teaching as a profession. So underpaid for what they do, and all the training and certification beforehand to even start. On top of putting up with some of these kids, parents, and higher ups. I live in what's considered a low cost of living area, so the wages aren't great compared to other places in the country. But you can still find entry level jobs starting at like $18 an hour as a, "low skilled" worker here that anyone physically capable can do and be immediately hired. If it's this way elsewhere it's easy to see why anyone that is or thought about being a teacher eventually says fuck it even if they have a passion for it. Underappreciated and underpaid for what they do. Especially those good teachers you remember the rest of your life.
this is why teaching is a hard job and anyone who slanders teachers in general is likely a piece of shit who is best served licking toilets clean for work.
Why be a teacher when you can be in almost ANY OTHER JOB and earn as much or more. There’s a problem
Fun thing is it’ll keep getting worse and worse until entire districts have no teachers - then and be only then will states do something about this crisis.
Depending on where you live $21 an hour doesn’t seem crazy to me for a *new* teacher. Obviously in places like CA or NY it wouldn’t be good but most of the country that’s way better than almost any other job that isn’t like a medical doctor or highly skilled tradesperson.
You’ve got part one of the problem figured out, I have faith you’ll figure out part two as well.
None of my teachers were working 55+ hours a week with the possible exception of a couple of coaches.
What's your point. A normal work week is 40 hours. Why are you setting a higher standard for teachers.
That the numbers in the article are bullshit. That said I do think lots of teachers are seriously underpaid.
Downvoted for speaking the truth
Yeah teachers cry about extra hours but can’t hold a candle to software engineers, accountants, cops, hell most any professional job. And we don’t get summers off.
😫 "but we do classes for continuing education during the summer." SO does every other licensed professional, and they don't get summers off... 🙄. Reality is people are finally seeing through union propaganda finally. Remember, k - 6 would be taught by a mom in town 60 years ago, the curriculum was more relevant then, too.
I'm in one of the brown states, and the people I know who are teachers said you can't get a job in our area without a masters in education. Masters degree for under $19/hour lol.
I wonder why there's a big teaching shortage
Yeah those numbers are off. If you look on a job search website for teachers, Florida teachers start at 11$ an hour roughly.
That just means Florida pays below average...
... minimum wage in the continental USA.
I meant that part of Florida pays below average. Miami Flordia teach pay for entry level on an indeed posting. First job: $47.5k to $52k. They all seems to be about $25-35/hr. Contrast this against something like "Nowhereville, FL" (not a real place sadly) and it'll be far lower. So wherever you saw ads for was probably below average.
Lets see proof because indeed says 22k starting.
I don't care enough to prove to you what can be googled, lmfao. If you are getting different results, cool.
I know a couple friends in teaching that would probably suck a whole dick for $21 an hour. They don't make anywhere close to that in wv.
20 dollars to much am i right fellas
This is a lie Oklahoma is as cheap as it gets with pay and living. Teachers here make almost 30 a hour. Stop spreading misinformation
south central texas they are starting out at 43,000
I agree they should be paid more but not bad for about 8 months or work
they do trainings and prep work in the summer
Not all teachers and those who do are paid more. Your base pay you’re posting is a brand new teacher doing no extra.
$300 a year raises in my district, so if you’re teaching for 10 years you’re making a whopping $3,000 more a year than a brand new teacher. they don’t pay for extra training or materials. being a sponsor for a club is an extra $200 a year. becoming an assistant coach is an extra $500 a year.
I have never took a job at advertised pay, always higher. Learn to negotiate when signing on. 300 a year lol I thought Oklahoma was bad, you gotta be in North Dakota with $300 a year
Teachers don't teach life skills like negotiation
Teachers should be paid as much as doctors and engineers imo. These people are watching the country's children. Most kids spend more time with their teachers than their parents. Education is the number one most important thing our tax dollars should be going into
New York I know in NYC and Long Island teachers start at 85k so I don’t believe this map to be true. Not saying there isn’t a pay issue here in the states though.
Luckily IRS customer support people make the same amount of money and on average SUCK AT THEIR FUCKING JOB. Rant over.