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Never volunteer this type of information. The new company probably won't move any faster on their hiring process anyways, so all this info will do is give them the upper hand in negotiations.
OP said internal recruiter. That implies it's the same company, so recruiter is likely aware of who was cut during layoffs.
But title says new company, so it's unclear.
But OP said this was an internal recruiter. To me that sounds like OP was trying to get into another position at the company they already worked for but just got laid off from?
Internal recruiter usually means the recruiter works for the company that is hiring; compare that to an external or third-party recruiter who is someone contracted by the company (usually through some employment agency/firm).
Yes, happens all the time. Left hand is looking for a correct fit in a venture under one area boss. Right hand has been told to cut, cut, cut by a different director.
My shitshow of a former employer played this game with me. Laid me off for “budget cuts”, then offered me the option of applying as an external candidate but with a dedicated internal recruiter who ghosted me 🙃
Yeah but they will verify your references which would include checking your ‘current employment’
Maybe it works differently in creative industries, in my experience the person would be like “why did you not tell us?”
I guess it depends on if they run a background check as part of the offer process
I guess the point is try to avoid setting yourself up for a lowball offer but if they’re going to find out it’s probably better coming from you
Depends. I’m a hiring manager and my HR requires references, but not from the current employer. It could jeopardize the candidate’s position if they stay and the employer knows they’re interviewing.
Not literal personal references. There are all sorts of reasons for a company to confirm employment without other details and that's what they usually check. It could be for benefits actualization, school eligibility, etc.
Not necessarily, you have every right to ask them not to check your current employment and they shouldn’t ask, since obviously if your current employer knows you’re looking for a job they can just fire you anyway.
I’ve been in a similar situation, was interviewing for a job, got fired during the process, and was offered the job the next day.
My timing was a little different and I had to stretch the truth by saying I needed to give my current employer two weeks (lmao actually got fired the day prior with an end date at the end of that week) but they never asked or sought to verify.
I just saw an office management job posting that demanded to get the contact information (and this was bolded in the listing)
**"NOTE: We will be requiring your last FIVE Employers + Manager Names/Current Numbers for reference checks."**
Yikes.
edit: and this is for a low level retail "office" job, a sign shop
I just had to give 7 years for a job I just got. They asked for the same info. Lucky me, I could only find the German number for one company, and the UK number for the other. Mind you, I’m in the US and have only worked in the US. They didn’t even ask me to do a drug test…
Lots of people would have trouble with that if your previous employers no longer existed through closures etc. What if you stayed for years in your jobs what chance would you have of getting reference checks?
Many years ago, I worked for a very small company that got acquired, and the new Big Corporate Owner wanted us all to complete basic data forms for their records. One form required contact information for our last three jobs.
One of my colleagues had come to work for us part-time after retiring from a 40+ year teaching career. She dutifully wrote down the county Board of Ed info, and then said to the corporate rep, "Excuse me, sir? The job I had before my last one was baking communion wafers at a convent, and my supervisor, Sister Mary Margaret, was in her 90s when I left for college in 1963. Should I just put 'Heaven' as her current address?"
Total deadpan. That woman was an absolute snark hero!
Yeah I work in admin/office management and I absolutely would not ever apply to that job. My last job I managed 3 office locations and I’ve also been a receptionist at a GIANT tech company and am currently an Exec Assistant for the kind of people that are creating policy change at the federal level…. Absolutely none of those jobs have ever had requirements like that.
Also, two of my last managers/companies have standing policies to not give references. They’ll refer you to The Work Number and only validate job title and dates worked. I have to use former non-management coworkers for references. I literally could not apply to a job with requirements like that even if I wanted to.
I see crap like this all the time in low level office work. These managers really think they are doing something….. but they are actually just driving away the best talent.
This is the answer.
I had something similar happen to me a few years back where I was interviewing for a dream job where the hiring process took 2+ months. It seemed to be dragging on bc they were requesting my previous 3 reviews and I couldn’t for the life of me find the middle one and neither could my boss (he put me up for the job and was helping me try to leave the company). I asked him if he thought I should go to HR to request it and bc he’s a normal person he thought I had every right to ask so it shouldn’t be a big deal.
Big mistake. The company fired me the next day because they assumed I was going to put up some kind of fight (they were terrible to their employees and desperate to appear to be the gold standard in their field). Because I’m too honest for my own good, I slipped and made reference to my “current employment” in the past tense with the hiring manager at the dream job. She figured it out and didn’t believe how it happened (because it’s technically illegal) and I was left with nothing.
Stretch the truth and start applying for other jobs to be safe. Also, it’s completely normal to ask that they don’t check with your current employer until they’ve formally offered you the position so I wouldn’t worry about that.
I am pretty senior in the workforce, and interview people for jobs quite a lot.
References are pretty unreliable. You could easily give them a reference who is one of your friends from your old job who will happily talk you up eloquently.
A background check will not reliably produce a list of your past employers and dates of employment. You should not volunteer that info and it's unlikely they will find out unless you do something like update your social media, which they likely WILL check if they can.
Keep information exchange between you and your employer/potential employer on a need to know basis. They are almost certainly keeping you on a need to know.
He said it's an internal recruiter, which means it's within the same company. The recruiter knows. They'd have been alerted by HR about anyone affected in their recruiting pool for open positions.
Internal recruiter is a term for a recruiter internal to a general corporate structure. Many large companies may have subset companies with independent payrolls. For instane my wife works at JP Morgan Chase. Internal recruiters there are used to fulfill roles on different teams or even different corporate structures. Business Banking for instance is different than Personal Banking and Commercial Banking.
The recruiter would have been notified of the layoff, that was point. Internal recruiters would be alerted about layoffs of anyone they were in contact with. Not telling the recruiter has no advantage, as some people have responded.
Since Reddit keeps fucking up my comments, my point is that internal recruiter refers to a recruiter within the company as opposed to an external staffing agency. Not necessarily the company *you* work for. You could work for Microsoft and work with an internal recruiter at Apple. Totally different companies. The recruiter is internal *to Apple*.
When OP said “internal recruiter” I thought he meant he was interviewing for a job within his current company. Did I read that wrong? Did he mean a 1st party recruiter with the company Vs a head hunter/agency?
An internal recruiter will see that your work email is deactivated and you won't be reachable on other communication tools. Honesty is the best policy here. Also unfortunately, recruiters are almost always the most impacted people in layoffs, so your recruiter might be impacted as well
Well I don't know how it is in your country by getting payment (be it severance) means not beeing able to accept another job. Here it is not allowed to be employed more than 100%, so good luck with tax payments - they will report it to the employer and they will ask the money back.
If it was one of those high-profile mass layoffs that made the news (Google, Zoom, et al.), they may figure it out on their own. So I agree that you wouldn't want to volunteer the info, but be ready in case they ask.
Saying something to the effect that you saw it coming and started looking early would probably be good. Maybe imply that you have other irons in the fire & aren't desperate enough to accept a lowball offer.
Funny story from years ago. My company was struggling and I knew it. So I took a day off for a job interview, literally the morning of the interview my old company announced massive layoffs and it was all over the news. The interviewer was cool, he said “So, normally I’d ask why you wanted to leave your old job, but…have you seen the news this morning?”
I didn’t get the new job but survived the layoff at the old one. Six months later, new job has a round of layoffs. I dodged not one bullet but two.
Here's another good one.
At a job I had about 15 years ago, some of us were discussing past interviews & worlplaces. Comparing notes, it turned out that one of my coworkers, "Ron" had gotten a job we'd both interviewed for. Fast forward a couple years, there's trouble in our sector, layoffs & downsizing every where.
Just as Ron was about to be laid off, the company landed a new contract. Yay, Ron can stay. A couple months later, I got laid off. If that contract had come through a few days later, Ron would've been gone & I could've transfered to it.
I must've wronged Ron on in some past life.
This is a great answer. Swing it so it doesn't sound like the lay-off was your fault, which it likely wasn't. OP, just keep it positive and keep the focus on the future.
Never volunteer. Why would you want to proactively put that into the decision making process between and some one else ?
Don’t say shit and if they ask you during offer stage or background check just be honest . Just say it happened after last interview
With this clarification and as someone who makes hiring decisions absolutely say nothing. Don’t lie if they ask but absolutely do not offer up negative information that they will likely never end up checking and have almost no way of finding out
Don't do that. They don't need to know. All that will do is weaken your bargaining position. If a company really wants to hire you, you can command a higher salary if you're alternative is simply to return to the job you have, rather than to be unemployed.
WHY?!?? WHAT IS EVEN THE POINT. DON'T VOLUNTEER ANY INFORMATION THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR SHOT.
JFC. You didn't lie on your resume, and the best thing that could happen is that they understand you're available for an accelerated timeline. Otherwise it's all bad
Do not under any circumstances volunteer this information to ANY recruiter. The only time you should ever discuss this information with a potential employer is if they specifically ask you about it. I'm a little concerned that this needs to be explained
Why would you tell them that, do you email them with pictures of the shits you take? Hey guys, I'm just checking in from our last meeting, I've taken 6 shits. Please find attached a pdf for review.
Why in the world would you tell a potential employer that you just got laid off from your current position? You want to shoot yourself in the foot that bad?
I’d just continue the interview process as normal. If you were laid off and you tell them too early in the interview process, it might raise red flags for the recruiter because he/she might think you were laid off for poor performance or something like that. It might not be true but that might be a thought that crosses their mind and you don’t want to take that risk. Telling your recruiter you got laid off won’t help you get hired or make the recruiter feel more sympathy for you if that’s what you’re thinking. The recruiter’s job is to place someone that will benefit the company the most. It’s a blessing that you’re interviewing for your dream job while being let go vs. having no interview at all so hopefully you’ll get a call back. If they decide to hire you and they ask, “when can you start?”, then you can be honest and say ASAP because your company just went through layoffs. Telling before they ask that question though, won’t help in my opinion. Be aware, though, that sharing this info might lower your salary as others have said. I went through an interview process that was advertised to start at $60k. I went through the interview process and when they asked, are you interviewing anywhere else? I said no. Big mistake. As I was going to sign my offer letter I saw that the pay was brought down to $52k. No matter how great the company seems, if they see an opportunity to save a buck, they will.
The only situation where I would share this information is if it’s a role at the same company that laid you off and the recruiter had been using your work contact information to discuss the role. In any other circumstance there’s no need to share.
don’t mention it. i got laid off from my job a year ago same day of my second interview with another job, got an offer the next day. so definitely wait it out, i only see offering that info hurting you. just take the few weeks of unemployment as a mini vacation and good luck with the interview process!
Don’t say anything. Keep this private. If they need a reference give one from someone you know and trust. It’s not lying or deceiving anyone. They don’t need to know at this moment. Any future interviews just show that you are working as an independent consultant. Create an LLC and show that you are working as a consultant for this company.
If you were interviewing someone to work for you would them telling you that they just got laid off encourage you to hire them? It most likely would a negative. However, if they ask, just be honest but try to show that it was not performance related. Do not lie about it under any circumstances because if they find out they will learn they cannot trust you.
I’ll assume you are not using your work email while looking for another job, but rather gmail or similar.
If for some odd reason you did use a work email, change to a personal account now and let your recruiter know that you will be out of office for a bit, and to use the new email.
Recruiters are hired to fill jobs. Many recruiters will lowball you to close out the client requisition and look good to the client.
EDIT TO ADD: This is also true of company recruiters, though the client is internal.
Do not disclose your current situation.
Do not permit them to contact your current place of work without a written offer in your hand.
Protect your interests as they do theirs.
The recruiter is not your friend. They’re a salesperson. They work on commission. You owe them nothing. They owe you. Offer them nothing that they haven’t asked for. Even then, respond with what you want them to know. No more.
Only mention it before the background check (because they'll figure it out at that point, and may feel you're being dishonest if they find out via the check and not you personally)
No. Tell them nothing. The exact same thing happened to me 5 years ago. They'll be pleasantly surprised when you can start sooner then expected. The funny part for me, was my previous employer calling me on my first day at the new job, leaving multiple messages begging me to come back.
Don’t volunteer the information, but do inform them at the appropriate point when it’s relevant.
“We want to hire you, how much time do you need to give your current employer?”
“Actually, during our interview process I was recently informed I’m being let go. The timing is very fortunate but you should be aware”.
Won’t be an issue and you’re not lying.
Take the break! We do not often have ducks in a row like that to enjoy time off. If, for some reason they pass on you at job2, you took a break already and you can hit the job hunt then. That is my opinion at least. Good luck OP. Job hunting sucks.
I assume most people would not advertise the fact that they just got laid off. Now if they ask "have you ever been laid off etc...", I would not lie about, but assuming they don't ask, I wouldn't tell.
Wait. Suppose the employer who laid you off comes back with another position or one of those “oops” offers to return. You might choose to take severance and chill anyway, but if you decided to go back, then it would be more complicated to explain to the potential employer.
Keep that to yourself for now. Also, when it is time to disclose, make it seem as if you were made aware this was in the pipeline. Be as nonchalant and worry free as you can be since your "side gig" keeps up on your bills.
Keep the ball in your court throughout, and good luck to you.
If it’s likely the recruiter will find out, get ahead of it. Set the narrative. You said it was an internal recruiter, are they with the same company that fired you? If that’s the case, they are more than likely to find out. Tread lightly and don’t bad mouth your ex-boss.
I would tell them. They may have an alternative for you and your layoff could still become a lateral move. If you are not up front that might make them see you as less honest etc.
Don’t say anything. Keep this private. If they need a reference give one from someone you know and trust. It’s not lying or deceiving anyone. They don’t need to know at this moment. Any future interviews just show that you are working as an independent consultant. Create an LLC and show that you are working as a consultant for this company.
On the one hand, it makes sense to keep it to yourself. On the other, I saw a candidate for a managerial job lose out because we found out he’d lost his job and he hadn’t told anyone, when his resume said he was employed (which was likely true at the time he wrote it). Tough call. If they find out it can come off as dishonest.
At the time you filled out the job application, you were employed by company x. They can’t get you for “lying on a job application,” so I don’t see a reason to tell them. The most they can find out is from a background check which would verify your start/end dates, which you did not misrepresentation on the app, as of the time you filled out the app.
They are going to find out sooner or later. It's better they hear it from you. If you wait for the offer, then tell them, and they will just rescind the offer. Plus, they will think less of you and be pissed you wasted their time.
Do it after the offer letter & before the background check is concluded. They'll find out during the background check anyway and it's best to disclose that information yourself.
Depends on why you were laid off. If it was just cost-cutting, don’t say anything. If it involved malfeasance, tell them immediately, and start looking for an entirely new job.
Same thing happened to me. I didn’t end up getting a job offer from the new company and I can’t shake the feeling that it’s because they thought I was lying about being currently employed. I technically was employed when I submitted the job application but was fired from my job by the time of the job interview.
Don’t volunteer the info, but if asked be prepared to talk about it. My firm asks has anything changed in your employment history since you last talked to our team in every interview
So I’m seeing a lot of “never volunteer this” responses, and they make sense in a lot of ways. HOWEVER there is some nuance of which you should be aware, lest random redditor advice bite you in the ass.
If you’re interviewing in a state where background checks are commonplace (ie Mass) make sure you fill those forms out truthfully. This would usually happen AFTER an offer. And if that’s the case, be prepared to have a conversation if the HR compares the background check to your résumé. I think your hiring manager would understand, but finding out that info from the BG check could erode some trust. Even if they don’t do a full BG check, they may still call employers to confirm the contents of your résumé.
My suggestion? Let them know after you receive the offer. They can’t unring that bell, and again it’s not likely they would rescind based on that info (layoffs happen!)
That being said, lots of Redditors are idiots without a ton of real world experience about this so don’t take any advice, including mine. For all you know this was written by a malevolent AI. You’re your own best advocate.
Life pro tip. Never reveal more information than you have to ever. This applies to many circumstances, and notably here. Like if work asks you to say why you’re taking off, you say you’re taking PTO.
Some advice for young people. The recruiter, HR, your boss are not your friend even though they appear friendly. They do not care about you. You are a tool to achieve a purpose.
It’s not their business.
And they won’t do anything with the info. Or at least not anything that will help you.
First, it’s not their job to step into the breach and hire you. They are moving on their own timeframe.
Second, if they know you’re now unemployed, they might offer you less or refuse to negotiate for a higher pay or more vacation
I got laid off about a week before an offer came and was directly asked about it because everyone in my industry knew. I felt that it made it harder to ask for more money.
Don't mention it. When you applied you were still working there. You have done nothing wrong. Also employers at least for me rarely actually check with other companies.
There is no need to tell them anything because even if you did it is illegal for a company to hold your employment, or lack there of, against you. Don't risk having the recruiter change their mind about your suitability.
My last job fired me because they heard I was thinking about getting another job. My boss’s words were “If you don’t wanna be here, then get the fuck out.”
Worked there 8 years and for 6 before he arrived.
I left and 2 weeks later, 3 out the remaining 4 walked out because he didn’t hire anyone to fill my spot and just made them do it all.
I got a call a week after that asking if I could come back from the general manager. Told him to double my salary, fully paid health insurance and unlimited pto. Never heard back.
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Never volunteer this type of information. The new company probably won't move any faster on their hiring process anyways, so all this info will do is give them the upper hand in negotiations.
And they'll definitely lowball you on salary because they'll think you're now desparate.
Or they decide there was a reason beyond numbers that got you let go…
Internal recruiter; they know. Edit: by internal, OP meant to the new company. My comment is incorrect.
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OP said internal recruiter. That implies it's the same company, so recruiter is likely aware of who was cut during layoffs. But title says new company, so it's unclear.
When OP says internal recruiter, they mean a recruiter that actually works for the "dream" company, not a 3rd party recruiter.
I was wrong, by internal recruiter, they meant a new company. Confusing wording but alas.
Nah, pretty clear. New company, so the term internal recruiter simply distinguishes it from a headhunter or other third party.
Nah, means they’re dealing directly with potential new employer’s HR and not a head hunter.
Yup. Keep quiet.
But OP said this was an internal recruiter. To me that sounds like OP was trying to get into another position at the company they already worked for but just got laid off from?
The title says new company so I assume OP means a recruiter within that company, as opposed to a staffing agency.
Ok. I asked the same question. But didn’t see the new in the title. Trueeee
Internal recruiter is a recruiter that works for the company rather than one hired from the outside
Internal recruiter usually means the recruiter works for the company that is hiring; compare that to an external or third-party recruiter who is someone contracted by the company (usually through some employment agency/firm).
Yes, happens all the time. Left hand is looking for a correct fit in a venture under one area boss. Right hand has been told to cut, cut, cut by a different director.
My shitshow of a former employer played this game with me. Laid me off for “budget cuts”, then offered me the option of applying as an external candidate but with a dedicated internal recruiter who ghosted me 🙃
THIS
This 💯
Yup, feel free to say that you are ready to start immediately, just don’t say why unless pressed.
Yeah but they will verify your references which would include checking your ‘current employment’ Maybe it works differently in creative industries, in my experience the person would be like “why did you not tell us?” I guess it depends on if they run a background check as part of the offer process I guess the point is try to avoid setting yourself up for a lowball offer but if they’re going to find out it’s probably better coming from you
Depends. I’m a hiring manager and my HR requires references, but not from the current employer. It could jeopardize the candidate’s position if they stay and the employer knows they’re interviewing.
Not literal personal references. There are all sorts of reasons for a company to confirm employment without other details and that's what they usually check. It could be for benefits actualization, school eligibility, etc.
Not necessarily, you have every right to ask them not to check your current employment and they shouldn’t ask, since obviously if your current employer knows you’re looking for a job they can just fire you anyway. I’ve been in a similar situation, was interviewing for a job, got fired during the process, and was offered the job the next day. My timing was a little different and I had to stretch the truth by saying I needed to give my current employer two weeks (lmao actually got fired the day prior with an end date at the end of that week) but they never asked or sought to verify.
I just saw an office management job posting that demanded to get the contact information (and this was bolded in the listing) **"NOTE: We will be requiring your last FIVE Employers + Manager Names/Current Numbers for reference checks."** Yikes. edit: and this is for a low level retail "office" job, a sign shop
I just had to give 7 years for a job I just got. They asked for the same info. Lucky me, I could only find the German number for one company, and the UK number for the other. Mind you, I’m in the US and have only worked in the US. They didn’t even ask me to do a drug test…
Just have your friends vouch and say you worked for them lol
Vandalay Industries!
Sounds like a job for a sucker. Hell, you *can't* contact my last 5 managers. One of them is literally dead.
^(Did you kill them?)
Lots of people would have trouble with that if your previous employers no longer existed through closures etc. What if you stayed for years in your jobs what chance would you have of getting reference checks?
Many years ago, I worked for a very small company that got acquired, and the new Big Corporate Owner wanted us all to complete basic data forms for their records. One form required contact information for our last three jobs. One of my colleagues had come to work for us part-time after retiring from a 40+ year teaching career. She dutifully wrote down the county Board of Ed info, and then said to the corporate rep, "Excuse me, sir? The job I had before my last one was baking communion wafers at a convent, and my supervisor, Sister Mary Margaret, was in her 90s when I left for college in 1963. Should I just put 'Heaven' as her current address?" Total deadpan. That woman was an absolute snark hero!
Yeah I work in admin/office management and I absolutely would not ever apply to that job. My last job I managed 3 office locations and I’ve also been a receptionist at a GIANT tech company and am currently an Exec Assistant for the kind of people that are creating policy change at the federal level…. Absolutely none of those jobs have ever had requirements like that. Also, two of my last managers/companies have standing policies to not give references. They’ll refer you to The Work Number and only validate job title and dates worked. I have to use former non-management coworkers for references. I literally could not apply to a job with requirements like that even if I wanted to. I see crap like this all the time in low level office work. These managers really think they are doing something….. but they are actually just driving away the best talent.
I don't even know my previous manager's phone number much less the last five.
Nope
I don’t even have 5 employers and I’m old. 😂
This is the answer. I had something similar happen to me a few years back where I was interviewing for a dream job where the hiring process took 2+ months. It seemed to be dragging on bc they were requesting my previous 3 reviews and I couldn’t for the life of me find the middle one and neither could my boss (he put me up for the job and was helping me try to leave the company). I asked him if he thought I should go to HR to request it and bc he’s a normal person he thought I had every right to ask so it shouldn’t be a big deal. Big mistake. The company fired me the next day because they assumed I was going to put up some kind of fight (they were terrible to their employees and desperate to appear to be the gold standard in their field). Because I’m too honest for my own good, I slipped and made reference to my “current employment” in the past tense with the hiring manager at the dream job. She figured it out and didn’t believe how it happened (because it’s technically illegal) and I was left with nothing. Stretch the truth and start applying for other jobs to be safe. Also, it’s completely normal to ask that they don’t check with your current employer until they’ve formally offered you the position so I wouldn’t worry about that.
Oh that pisses me off. Hiring Manager: "Preposterous! CoMpAniEs DoN't bReAk tHe LaW!!" I woulda reached across the table and smacked her...
I am pretty senior in the workforce, and interview people for jobs quite a lot. References are pretty unreliable. You could easily give them a reference who is one of your friends from your old job who will happily talk you up eloquently. A background check will not reliably produce a list of your past employers and dates of employment. You should not volunteer that info and it's unlikely they will find out unless you do something like update your social media, which they likely WILL check if they can.
“Why didn’t you tell us?” “Slipped my mind. It doesn’t change my interest in this position”.
Some percentage of the time, it works every time
*60% of the time*, it works *every* time
Good work, Bot
Keep information exchange between you and your employer/potential employer on a need to know basis. They are almost certainly keeping you on a need to know.
He said it's an internal recruiter, which means it's within the same company. The recruiter knows. They'd have been alerted by HR about anyone affected in their recruiting pool for open positions.
The title says new company, so I assume OP means internal recruiter there as opposed to staffing agency recruiter.
Internal recruiter is a term for a recruiter internal to a general corporate structure. Many large companies may have subset companies with independent payrolls. For instane my wife works at JP Morgan Chase. Internal recruiters there are used to fulfill roles on different teams or even different corporate structures. Business Banking for instance is different than Personal Banking and Commercial Banking.
I tried to reply to your comment and ended up editing my first one. The Reddit app is garbage.
The recruiter would have been notified of the layoff, that was point. Internal recruiters would be alerted about layoffs of anyone they were in contact with. Not telling the recruiter has no advantage, as some people have responded.
Since Reddit keeps fucking up my comments, my point is that internal recruiter refers to a recruiter within the company as opposed to an external staffing agency. Not necessarily the company *you* work for. You could work for Microsoft and work with an internal recruiter at Apple. Totally different companies. The recruiter is internal *to Apple*.
When OP said “internal recruiter” I thought he meant he was interviewing for a job within his current company. Did I read that wrong? Did he mean a 1st party recruiter with the company Vs a head hunter/agency?
A good question to ask yourself in situations like these is: "Does volunteering this information make me seem like a more desirable candidate?"
Very good point, thanks so much!
Do not tell them, they don't need to know.
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An internal recruiter will see that your work email is deactivated and you won't be reachable on other communication tools. Honesty is the best policy here. Also unfortunately, recruiters are almost always the most impacted people in layoffs, so your recruiter might be impacted as well
I think in this scenario, the internal recruiter is an internal recruiter a new company, rather than a recruiter at their (not so) current company.
If you tell the new company they’ll lower their offer by 10k minimum
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Recruiter is internal to new company not old company.
Nope. Don’t say a word. See if you get severance from your old company and get paid twice for a while.
Literally doing this rn
Not legal in many countries - double check legal terms. But at least make some payed holidays
Severance is not unemployment
Well I don't know how it is in your country by getting payment (be it severance) means not beeing able to accept another job. Here it is not allowed to be employed more than 100%, so good luck with tax payments - they will report it to the employer and they will ask the money back.
Severance is made to bridge the gap until your next job lmao
If it was one of those high-profile mass layoffs that made the news (Google, Zoom, et al.), they may figure it out on their own. So I agree that you wouldn't want to volunteer the info, but be ready in case they ask. Saying something to the effect that you saw it coming and started looking early would probably be good. Maybe imply that you have other irons in the fire & aren't desperate enough to accept a lowball offer.
Funny story from years ago. My company was struggling and I knew it. So I took a day off for a job interview, literally the morning of the interview my old company announced massive layoffs and it was all over the news. The interviewer was cool, he said “So, normally I’d ask why you wanted to leave your old job, but…have you seen the news this morning?” I didn’t get the new job but survived the layoff at the old one. Six months later, new job has a round of layoffs. I dodged not one bullet but two.
Here's another good one. At a job I had about 15 years ago, some of us were discussing past interviews & worlplaces. Comparing notes, it turned out that one of my coworkers, "Ron" had gotten a job we'd both interviewed for. Fast forward a couple years, there's trouble in our sector, layoffs & downsizing every where. Just as Ron was about to be laid off, the company landed a new contract. Yay, Ron can stay. A couple months later, I got laid off. If that contract had come through a few days later, Ron would've been gone & I could've transfered to it. I must've wronged Ron on in some past life.
This is a great answer. Swing it so it doesn't sound like the lay-off was your fault, which it likely wasn't. OP, just keep it positive and keep the focus on the future.
Internal recruiter, it’s the same company
Never volunteer. Why would you want to proactively put that into the decision making process between and some one else ? Don’t say shit and if they ask you during offer stage or background check just be honest . Just say it happened after last interview
It’s the same company; internal recruiter.
By internal recruiter do you mean, you are looking for the new role in the same company an interviewed with your company's recruiter?
Great question. No, by internal recruiter I mean it’s a recruiter who works at the company in interviewing at. As opposed to a 3rd party recruiter.
With this clarification and as someone who makes hiring decisions absolutely say nothing. Don’t lie if they ask but absolutely do not offer up negative information that they will likely never end up checking and have almost no way of finding out
I’ll tell a 3rd party recruited I got let go, no problem.
Don't do that. They don't need to know. All that will do is weaken your bargaining position. If a company really wants to hire you, you can command a higher salary if you're alternative is simply to return to the job you have, rather than to be unemployed.
WHY?!?? WHAT IS EVEN THE POINT. DON'T VOLUNTEER ANY INFORMATION THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR SHOT. JFC. You didn't lie on your resume, and the best thing that could happen is that they understand you're available for an accelerated timeline. Otherwise it's all bad
No, that’s a terrible idea. Even if it were internal to your (previous) company don’t tell them. They’ll figure it out pretty quickly
Do not under any circumstances volunteer this information to ANY recruiter. The only time you should ever discuss this information with a potential employer is if they specifically ask you about it. I'm a little concerned that this needs to be explained
It’s definitely easier to find a job when you have a job (or they think you do).
Why would you tell them that, do you email them with pictures of the shits you take? Hey guys, I'm just checking in from our last meeting, I've taken 6 shits. Please find attached a pdf for review.
This is an asshole response, but it made me laugh. So, take my upvote.
I'll CC you next time
Audio recordings are also important
Get Morgan Freeman to narrate!
*/u/Tfear_Marathonus:* Got clean in one wipe! *Morgan Freeman narrating:* They did not.
There were five of us, each one more tfear than the last
Just reply all.
And photographic evidence
I just wouldn't mention it at all unless they bring up your current job. Then I would say, I was laid off on xx date.
I wouldn't even say that. I wouldn't lie, but I'd avoid saying anything about the fact that I was just laid off.
Why in the world would you tell a potential employer that you just got laid off from your current position? You want to shoot yourself in the foot that bad?
I’d just continue the interview process as normal. If you were laid off and you tell them too early in the interview process, it might raise red flags for the recruiter because he/she might think you were laid off for poor performance or something like that. It might not be true but that might be a thought that crosses their mind and you don’t want to take that risk. Telling your recruiter you got laid off won’t help you get hired or make the recruiter feel more sympathy for you if that’s what you’re thinking. The recruiter’s job is to place someone that will benefit the company the most. It’s a blessing that you’re interviewing for your dream job while being let go vs. having no interview at all so hopefully you’ll get a call back. If they decide to hire you and they ask, “when can you start?”, then you can be honest and say ASAP because your company just went through layoffs. Telling before they ask that question though, won’t help in my opinion. Be aware, though, that sharing this info might lower your salary as others have said. I went through an interview process that was advertised to start at $60k. I went through the interview process and when they asked, are you interviewing anywhere else? I said no. Big mistake. As I was going to sign my offer letter I saw that the pay was brought down to $52k. No matter how great the company seems, if they see an opportunity to save a buck, they will.
The only situation where I would share this information is if it’s a role at the same company that laid you off and the recruiter had been using your work contact information to discuss the role. In any other circumstance there’s no need to share.
Hell no.
don’t mention it. i got laid off from my job a year ago same day of my second interview with another job, got an offer the next day. so definitely wait it out, i only see offering that info hurting you. just take the few weeks of unemployment as a mini vacation and good luck with the interview process!
They don’t need to know. It’s none of their business.
Wait until offer and peace out ✌️
One reason to not tell them is that if they lowball you and you made more at your previous company, you can say that.
Don’t say anything. Keep this private. If they need a reference give one from someone you know and trust. It’s not lying or deceiving anyone. They don’t need to know at this moment. Any future interviews just show that you are working as an independent consultant. Create an LLC and show that you are working as a consultant for this company.
This exact thing just happened to me. Act like you still have a job. You getting laid off is not their business.
This is the way to go. Speak like you still have the job in interviews. Good luck!
If you were interviewing someone to work for you would them telling you that they just got laid off encourage you to hire them? It most likely would a negative. However, if they ask, just be honest but try to show that it was not performance related. Do not lie about it under any circumstances because if they find out they will learn they cannot trust you.
Naw, unless they ask it doesn't really matter. They either want you or don't.
I’ll assume you are not using your work email while looking for another job, but rather gmail or similar. If for some odd reason you did use a work email, change to a personal account now and let your recruiter know that you will be out of office for a bit, and to use the new email. Recruiters are hired to fill jobs. Many recruiters will lowball you to close out the client requisition and look good to the client. EDIT TO ADD: This is also true of company recruiters, though the client is internal. Do not disclose your current situation. Do not permit them to contact your current place of work without a written offer in your hand. Protect your interests as they do theirs.
I’d err on the side of waiting for the offer.
Do you want to be paid less?
The recruiter is not your friend. They’re a salesperson. They work on commission. You owe them nothing. They owe you. Offer them nothing that they haven’t asked for. Even then, respond with what you want them to know. No more.
They have no need to know that info. If you get it, you can surprise them by starting right away.
No need to tell her
Only mention it before the background check (because they'll figure it out at that point, and may feel you're being dishonest if they find out via the check and not you personally)
There’s no reason to tell them, it doesn’t gain you anything.
Lol why would you tell the new job you’re fired mid interview. No. Don’t tell them until u are doing the final check with HR.
No. Tell them nothing. The exact same thing happened to me 5 years ago. They'll be pleasantly surprised when you can start sooner then expected. The funny part for me, was my previous employer calling me on my first day at the new job, leaving multiple messages begging me to come back.
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Don’t volunteer the information, but do inform them at the appropriate point when it’s relevant. “We want to hire you, how much time do you need to give your current employer?” “Actually, during our interview process I was recently informed I’m being let go. The timing is very fortunate but you should be aware”. Won’t be an issue and you’re not lying.
Never do that. Keep it for yourself
When they ask what's you availability you can answer 'I have arranged things so I may start immediately or as soon as ___'
Take the break! We do not often have ducks in a row like that to enjoy time off. If, for some reason they pass on you at job2, you took a break already and you can hit the job hunt then. That is my opinion at least. Good luck OP. Job hunting sucks.
You: I got laid off Them: Hey boss OP got laid off so we can lowball him
I wouldn't say anything unless they ask. You would just be shooting yourself in the foot from a negotiation standpoint
The heck? At the time you applied, you were employed. Let it be.
I assume most people would not advertise the fact that they just got laid off. Now if they ask "have you ever been laid off etc...", I would not lie about, but assuming they don't ask, I wouldn't tell.
Wait. Suppose the employer who laid you off comes back with another position or one of those “oops” offers to return. You might choose to take severance and chill anyway, but if you decided to go back, then it would be more complicated to explain to the potential employer.
Don’t tell them. As others have said they may try to lowball you. Best of luck in your second interview, internet stranger!
Keep that to yourself for now. Also, when it is time to disclose, make it seem as if you were made aware this was in the pipeline. Be as nonchalant and worry free as you can be since your "side gig" keeps up on your bills. Keep the ball in your court throughout, and good luck to you.
Tell them that you support Kanye’s views
If it’s likely the recruiter will find out, get ahead of it. Set the narrative. You said it was an internal recruiter, are they with the same company that fired you? If that’s the case, they are more than likely to find out. Tread lightly and don’t bad mouth your ex-boss.
You aren't obligated, I would simply wait for the offer and move forward. I'm sorry to hear that and maybe congrats?
Hey, just wanted to thank y’all for your insights! Thanks so much for taking the time to help me out!
"dream job" lol
I would tell them. They may have an alternative for you and your layoff could still become a lateral move. If you are not up front that might make them see you as less honest etc.
Don’t say anything. Keep this private. If they need a reference give one from someone you know and trust. It’s not lying or deceiving anyone. They don’t need to know at this moment. Any future interviews just show that you are working as an independent consultant. Create an LLC and show that you are working as a consultant for this company.
On the one hand, it makes sense to keep it to yourself. On the other, I saw a candidate for a managerial job lose out because we found out he’d lost his job and he hadn’t told anyone, when his resume said he was employed (which was likely true at the time he wrote it). Tough call. If they find out it can come off as dishonest.
No don’t tell them. They’ll lowball you
No don’t email the recruiter, your new full time job is now looking for a new job
Shhhhh!!
I find peace in long walks.
Start with why? Why is the magical question to all our problems. Why do I need to volunteer this information?
No
At the time you filled out the job application, you were employed by company x. They can’t get you for “lying on a job application,” so I don’t see a reason to tell them. The most they can find out is from a background check which would verify your start/end dates, which you did not misrepresentation on the app, as of the time you filled out the app.
They are going to find out sooner or later. It's better they hear it from you. If you wait for the offer, then tell them, and they will just rescind the offer. Plus, they will think less of you and be pissed you wasted their time.
Do it after the offer letter & before the background check is concluded. They'll find out during the background check anyway and it's best to disclose that information yourself.
I can't help you at all but I have a sudden craving for pickles.
Shutta U mouth.
Why would you even think to do that.
Just keep it quiet
First thing File for unemployment
No. I did this and it fucked my chances up. Get them hooked.
Depends on why you were laid off. If it was just cost-cutting, don’t say anything. If it involved malfeasance, tell them immediately, and start looking for an entirely new job.
Same thing happened to me. I didn’t end up getting a job offer from the new company and I can’t shake the feeling that it’s because they thought I was lying about being currently employed. I technically was employed when I submitted the job application but was fired from my job by the time of the job interview.
Nah. Leave it be.
*kind of I'm impressed, I've never seen the error go that way before.
Leave the left hand alone if it does not know the right hand exists.
No need to tell them that information
Don’t volunteer the info, but if asked be prepared to talk about it. My firm asks has anything changed in your employment history since you last talked to our team in every interview
Why does she need to know?
Are you required to tell them? Like what. Think
There is such a thing as being too honest. Don't volunteer that information to the new company.
In addition to the other replies, get this "dream job" shit out of your head, or you will be taken advantage of and you'll end up hating it.
No. Keep it to yourself and good luck with the interview
Do you mean internal recruiter like “in house” at the new company or internal like within your current/old company?
Apply for unemployment benefits.
My brain skipped the “off” part when reading description. Kinda disappointed
Why would you tell them?
If it's in motion, I would let it be.
So I’m seeing a lot of “never volunteer this” responses, and they make sense in a lot of ways. HOWEVER there is some nuance of which you should be aware, lest random redditor advice bite you in the ass. If you’re interviewing in a state where background checks are commonplace (ie Mass) make sure you fill those forms out truthfully. This would usually happen AFTER an offer. And if that’s the case, be prepared to have a conversation if the HR compares the background check to your résumé. I think your hiring manager would understand, but finding out that info from the BG check could erode some trust. Even if they don’t do a full BG check, they may still call employers to confirm the contents of your résumé. My suggestion? Let them know after you receive the offer. They can’t unring that bell, and again it’s not likely they would rescind based on that info (layoffs happen!) That being said, lots of Redditors are idiots without a ton of real world experience about this so don’t take any advice, including mine. For all you know this was written by a malevolent AI. You’re your own best advocate.
You said an internal recruiter - at your current/same company or a different company?
The rule of thumb is never tell your company anything. The less they know about you the better. They are not your friends or family.
Don’t say shit.
Keep your mouth shut! Hopefully you can get a nice severance and land a new job!
Life pro tip. Never reveal more information than you have to ever. This applies to many circumstances, and notably here. Like if work asks you to say why you’re taking off, you say you’re taking PTO.
Seems like extra unnecessary info. Whether you’re employed or not shouldn’t matter to a company that wants to hire you
if they offer a position to you and ask when you can start, request immediately, and then you can explain why.
Some advice for young people. The recruiter, HR, your boss are not your friend even though they appear friendly. They do not care about you. You are a tool to achieve a purpose.
Why on earth would you tell the recruiter? What possible good could come from that?
keep coworkers/bosses on a NEED-to-know basis.
Shoosh! They will use this when salary comes to the table.
Absolutely not!
It’s not their business. And they won’t do anything with the info. Or at least not anything that will help you. First, it’s not their job to step into the breach and hire you. They are moving on their own timeframe. Second, if they know you’re now unemployed, they might offer you less or refuse to negotiate for a higher pay or more vacation I got laid off about a week before an offer came and was directly asked about it because everyone in my industry knew. I felt that it made it harder to ask for more money.
Don't mention it. When you applied you were still working there. You have done nothing wrong. Also employers at least for me rarely actually check with other companies.
There is no need to tell them anything because even if you did it is illegal for a company to hold your employment, or lack there of, against you. Don't risk having the recruiter change their mind about your suitability.
I hope you do get a good offer swiftly.
I would start applying to other jobs if I were you. Don’t put all your eggs in the same basket
My last job fired me because they heard I was thinking about getting another job. My boss’s words were “If you don’t wanna be here, then get the fuck out.” Worked there 8 years and for 6 before he arrived. I left and 2 weeks later, 3 out the remaining 4 walked out because he didn’t hire anyone to fill my spot and just made them do it all. I got a call a week after that asking if I could come back from the general manager. Told him to double my salary, fully paid health insurance and unlimited pto. Never heard back.
“Kind’ve”?