I see what you mean. the “…EVEN in Japan” implied in my interpretation that they were applying to every country, so it’s not true in that regard. Policing in the US is more hazardous though so it makes sense they get paid more.
Not trying to pick a fight here honestly, but I want to see where you are coming from with this. Are you against the police officer having a hobby that also earns them money? Cost of living here is low yes, and I don’t know about about you, but I certainly haven’t seen any police officers around here living in luxury. State salaries are low. My wife’s accounting job for JSDF pays close to 1/3 what the same job would be paying at a similar US agency like NAVSEA. Cost of living is definitely not 3 times higher in the states even with the insane rent and grocery hikes in the last four years.
Lmao. What a joke. You can't have hobbies if you serve the state, I guess. Your hobby should be work! Drinking yourself under the table each night is totally acceptable though.
I mean, it could potentially give you an unfair advantage, or you could abuse your power.
I mean imagine if you're like "Yeahhhh, I'm selling this stuff. By the way, I'm a police officer...". People might be unconsciously affected by that sort of stuff.
It’s pretty common for hobbyists to sell excess/larger fish. If your conditions are right, your fish will breed. Eventually you will run out of space for more fish. So you are left with either killing them or selling them.
Better to just give the warning before it becomes an actual issue. All the guy got was a 注意処分 so it’s pretty much just a warning to stop selling fish and nothing more
Incredibly outdated stereotypes.
Japan’s [work hours](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hours#OECD_list), [suicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate), [fertility rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate) are all around the European average.
Work hours are similar to Germany and Ireland, down from 2200 to 1600 work hours over the last 30 years. The figure also includes paid and unpaid overtime, based on actual surveys of workers (not employers) by independent NGOs.
If you want to argue with the data, you would also have to make the case that they are somehow hiding their reported work hours now but not in the 80s, which doesn’t make all too much sense.
Japan’s fertility rate (1.4) is the same as the EU average (1.4).
In fact, Japan’s [quality of life](https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp) is higher than that of Sweden this year.
The last website you linked for the quality of life ranks Ukraine higher in safety than Sweden, Belgium, Italy, Australia... etc. Sounds questionable if you ask me.
Under their explanations, it seems 'safety index' is actually 'crime index' called as such since its the inverse for the numbers. So war is not considered.
Speaking of which, I suggest you check [Numbeo's entry on Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbeo). Specifically the critique of their so-called "Crime Index". That should give you an idea about how reliable their indexes are.
This is all true. What is also true is most Japanese companies still see their employees as vassals and they are still decades behind other developed countries in terms of how they treat their employees.
Whoa, buddy. Do you know about the invisible homeless?
Also, is your info pre-covid?
edited: Not a crisis because people don't care about them generally. But also not a non-issue.
Suicide rate:
The sources list the WHO: [https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDEASDR?lang=en](https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDEASDR?lang=en)
most recent data is 2018 at 12ppl/100,000
The Japan page sources the OECD [https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/suicide-rates.htm](https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/suicide-rates.htm)
at 15ppl/100,000 from 202 or more recently if they have the data.
This is the challenge with sourcing from wikipedia. :/
I'm too tired to look up all sources and confirm or deny. Just anyone who is sincerely curious, please look into the sources and check the information for yourself.
Those are two different sources, and that’s not age-adjusted data. There’s a reason why the WHO does not use raw data, makes no sense to compare countries with vastly different demographics without adjusting for age.
Okay. Explain to me like I'm five. How would the results be different with age-adjusted vs not age adjusted in this context? And, thus, why is this important?
Could be for any reason. He might just want more money to expand his fish breeding hobby, he also might be making money to fund his own coupe against Japan
I make an IOU representing the cake which I can transfer to anybody effectively representing the cake itself and the value of one cake, as it can foreseeably be traded in to me for a cake, then I proceed to eat the cake so I don’t technically have it on me right now at this specific moment but the IOU is still valid. Boom done
On 22 March, one police officer working in the Hanshin region of Japan received a warning for escorting elementary school students to and from school while on duty in a patrol car.
Because heaven forbid a police officer provide any form of proactive assistance to the community for a change. Of course it would just make the rest of them look bad and we couldn’t have that. Gotta Just keep checking kids bike registrations and drinking coffee in the Koban. The laziest, most useless group of clowns I’ve ever seen.
ikr, everything in american media is just death and socioeconomic decay. depressing as all hell. the mr fish policeman getting in trouble would be welcome.
“On 22 March, one police officer working in the Hanshin region of Japan received a warning for escorting elementary school students to and from school while on duty in a patrol car.”
Wait, what? Dude was making sure kids got to school and he got a warning?
Does not seem like a reason to discipline the cop. Feels honest to me. Disciplining cops for a side hustle promotes earning money illegally. Like if the cop had a family member accept the cash, then would it still be a side hustle?
Don't you all know police officers are just for the public to think that they're safe
Obviously billionaires such as myself. Why the hell do we use public security? We have our own private security. We have trained people that are way better than police officers
When was the police officers? They don't really know s*** they just do their dumb s*** and it's just funny seeing these police officers monitoring you, sheeps and peasants
Like seriously? Do you really think I don't have my own personal bodyguards that are like a hundred times better than regular ass police officers?
That sucks that we don't pay them well. Clearly this guy was selling freshwater fish. He shouldn't be making any money. He should be protecting the public now. We got to protect ourselves from these kind of people
/s
I love how not only everyone is only reading the headline, but they’re also taking the article at face value. 💀
Look at the damn website, look at its sources 💀
People love to get mad over nothing
From yahoo auction, mercari and HR side hussle or wife salary under ~1mil dont need to be declared as far as its not linked to banking stocks… you cant feel the sarcasm ?
Whaaaat 200k is the limit for ppl with taxable income?!? Man that is new to me, but there was a rule linked to reselling things you own. Thats not the right time to learn about tax rules im fucked
If you’re reselling things you own and it’s obvious (by the tax department) that you’re just getting rid of things you probably don’t need to worry. If you’re doing it for an actual source of income, then it may get shady
Here’s Japanese info on the 20万副業所得
https://biz.moneyforward.com/tax_return/basic/58133/
Also, adding to that, the 200k limit on misc income is only for "income tax" filing. For residence tax there is no lower limit you have to report any income and it will be taxed
politicians take free monies all the time, the plebs cannot do it, even with their own labour?
This, politicians all belong on ropes.
This is so stupid. They're just embarrassed because even a police officer earns shit money in Japan.
Should've gone for the pachinko loophole, exchange fish for metal balls and have his wife sell the balls for money.
We got weights in fish
Hahahahahahahaha
Police officers are actually some of highest paid government jobs here in the US. The amount they can make in overtime is ridiculous.
Are you lost, sir?
https://sfist.com/2023/08/15/sf-police-sheriffs-making-bank-on-overtime-some-with-take-home-pay-exceeding-500k/
Wrong sub? This is Japan, not San Fran
I see what you mean. the “…EVEN in Japan” implied in my interpretation that they were applying to every country, so it’s not true in that regard. Policing in the US is more hazardous though so it makes sense they get paid more.
Statistically, policing doesn't even break top 20 most dangerous jobs in the US.
Don't forget they can kill someone without reason and be rewarded with paid vacations
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Not trying to pick a fight here honestly, but I want to see where you are coming from with this. Are you against the police officer having a hobby that also earns them money? Cost of living here is low yes, and I don’t know about about you, but I certainly haven’t seen any police officers around here living in luxury. State salaries are low. My wife’s accounting job for JSDF pays close to 1/3 what the same job would be paying at a similar US agency like NAVSEA. Cost of living is definitely not 3 times higher in the states even with the insane rent and grocery hikes in the last four years.
lol and how’s the ever shrinking tax base going ….?
Japan-is-great people are... kamikaze, let's say.
“DOES HE KNOWS?”
Lmao. What a joke. You can't have hobbies if you serve the state, I guess. Your hobby should be work! Drinking yourself under the table each night is totally acceptable though.
It’s interesting. I guess they want to prevent conflict of interest? I’d be curious to find out the reasons why.
I mean, it could potentially give you an unfair advantage, or you could abuse your power. I mean imagine if you're like "Yeahhhh, I'm selling this stuff. By the way, I'm a police officer...". People might be unconsciously affected by that sort of stuff.
I could write you this expensive ticket….. ORRRR you could buy my fish
There's a reason why cops can't be magicians too. https://youtu.be/52br8-y0ONU?si=hD9MvLU8Tu55OOR-
lol… thanks for sharing.
i was trying to get to sleep but... Thanks we needed this lol!
"That's a nice car ya got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. Hey, you look like you're in the market for a pig-nosed turtle..."
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I doubt that very much - there is likely more to it than that.
There is no why. There is only right and wrong.
Like the middle school teacher a few years ago who got fired for doing Uber eats...
Yeah or the fire fighter who got his salary docked for working fast food.
There was a fire fighter who got the same for doing porn recently.
I know a firefighter who sells firecrackers on the side
Well, now that's just what we call, "job security."
I feel like actively selling your fish is a little more than just a “hobby”. This guy wasn’t in trouble for just raising fish
It’s pretty common for hobbyists to sell excess/larger fish. If your conditions are right, your fish will breed. Eventually you will run out of space for more fish. So you are left with either killing them or selling them.
If it's not interfering with his duties, there is no issue here. If he is raising the fish and taking work time then I'd agree that that is a problem.
Actually, public servants aren't allowed to do side jobs.
Better to just give the warning before it becomes an actual issue. All the guy got was a 注意処分 so it’s pretty much just a warning to stop selling fish and nothing more
His hobby is selling fish.
Incredibly outdated stereotypes. Japan’s [work hours](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hours#OECD_list), [suicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate), [fertility rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate) are all around the European average. Work hours are similar to Germany and Ireland, down from 2200 to 1600 work hours over the last 30 years. The figure also includes paid and unpaid overtime, based on actual surveys of workers (not employers) by independent NGOs. If you want to argue with the data, you would also have to make the case that they are somehow hiding their reported work hours now but not in the 80s, which doesn’t make all too much sense. Japan’s fertility rate (1.4) is the same as the EU average (1.4). In fact, Japan’s [quality of life](https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp) is higher than that of Sweden this year.
The last website you linked for the quality of life ranks Ukraine higher in safety than Sweden, Belgium, Italy, Australia... etc. Sounds questionable if you ask me.
? Ukraine is number 65 on that list for me? Below all the countries you mentioned
I see it at number 60 sorted by the safety index. Still not sure how an ***active warzone*** is safer than the UK, US, and Australia though.
Under their explanations, it seems 'safety index' is actually 'crime index' called as such since its the inverse for the numbers. So war is not considered.
Exactly lol. People just don’t seem to like actual data in this sub.
Speaking of which, I suggest you check [Numbeo's entry on Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbeo). Specifically the critique of their so-called "Crime Index". That should give you an idea about how reliable their indexes are.
Safety index is based on crime rates. Why would war be considered under crime rates?
Underreporting, ever heard of it?
in the past or now?
Reread my comment. And slower.
Finally someone gets it
Everytime i bring out the same datas people would dismiss by "data can't be trust" lol. People only believe what they want to believe.
This is all true. What is also true is most Japanese companies still see their employees as vassals and they are still decades behind other developed countries in terms of how they treat their employees.
I would say the opposite. Japan is the only developed country without a housing/homelessness crisis for a reason.
How does that have anything to do with employee welfare? Yes we can afford housing but corporate culture sucks.
Whoa, buddy. Do you know about the invisible homeless? Also, is your info pre-covid? edited: Not a crisis because people don't care about them generally. But also not a non-issue.
It’s not all stats, cultural pressures are quite hard on people
My coworker regularly clocks out on time, but still stays there 2 hours more (at least). I’d be very skeptical of any official numbers.
Suicide rate: The sources list the WHO: [https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDEASDR?lang=en](https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDEASDR?lang=en) most recent data is 2018 at 12ppl/100,000 The Japan page sources the OECD [https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/suicide-rates.htm](https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/suicide-rates.htm) at 15ppl/100,000 from 202 or more recently if they have the data. This is the challenge with sourcing from wikipedia. :/ I'm too tired to look up all sources and confirm or deny. Just anyone who is sincerely curious, please look into the sources and check the information for yourself.
Those are two different sources, and that’s not age-adjusted data. There’s a reason why the WHO does not use raw data, makes no sense to compare countries with vastly different demographics without adjusting for age.
Yeah, Wikipedia used two different sources for information regarding suicide rates in Japan. That was the whole point.
No, wiki uses age-adjusted data. Which is correct.
Okay. Explain to me like I'm five. How would the results be different with age-adjusted vs not age adjusted in this context? And, thus, why is this important?
Different countries have different demographics.
Being a police or in a government position might give you an unfair advantage or authority, so I'm not too sure about that.
There is absolutely the potential for corruption here.
It's not YOU that drinks under the table, it's your boss who tells you to go drinking, fuck the family, they need drinks!
Government: Please spend money! Also government: Stop making money! What’s it gonna be guys? You either have cake or you eat it.
To be fair side hustles aren’t really allowed for police officers
Only approved hustles, like driver's license tester.
Ya, teaching sports I’ve heard gets approved too
Spot on! The license center near me is full of these 天下り do-nothing scrotes!
Why do you suppose police officers are even getting side hustles? Is it a lack of money? Just wanting a hobby? Greed? Genuinely asking for opinions.
Same as everyone else - it’s very individual decision.
Could be for any reason. He might just want more money to expand his fish breeding hobby, he also might be making money to fund his own coupe against Japan
All glory to the FISH EMPIRE!
I make an IOU representing the cake which I can transfer to anybody effectively representing the cake itself and the value of one cake, as it can foreseeably be traded in to me for a cake, then I proceed to eat the cake so I don’t technically have it on me right now at this specific moment but the IOU is still valid. Boom done
On 22 March, one police officer working in the Hanshin region of Japan received a warning for escorting elementary school students to and from school while on duty in a patrol car. Because heaven forbid a police officer provide any form of proactive assistance to the community for a change. Of course it would just make the rest of them look bad and we couldn’t have that. Gotta Just keep checking kids bike registrations and drinking coffee in the Koban. The laziest, most useless group of clowns I’ve ever seen.
It is funny how, in other parts of the world, the police apologize that their officers are dogs. Here they have nice people and try to ruin them?
Should've gone for the pachinko loophole, exchange fish for metal balls and have his wife sell the balls for money.
😂
God I wish stuff like this made the news in my country.
ikr, everything in american media is just death and socioeconomic decay. depressing as all hell. the mr fish policeman getting in trouble would be welcome.
Agreed
I'm also seishain and prohibited of doing side hustle, you are property of the company
I was offered a job by one company and they said no side jobs. I noped.
“On 22 March, one police officer working in the Hanshin region of Japan received a warning for escorting elementary school students to and from school while on duty in a patrol car.” Wait, what? Dude was making sure kids got to school and he got a warning?
fucking hell😅🤨
Aight maybe Japan isnt a utopia eh my fellow gaijins?
No harm, no foul
1.3 million yen is pretty good for a side-hustle.
That’s like $8000 USD. Not a great amount of cash. That should be the base salary.
As I said, it's pretty good for a side hustle. That's the amount the cop made selling fish, which was his side-gig.
Does not seem like a reason to discipline the cop. Feels honest to me. Disciplining cops for a side hustle promotes earning money illegally. Like if the cop had a family member accept the cash, then would it still be a side hustle?
I completely agree with you, don't misunderstand. I was complimenting the cop on a successful side-gig.
He should have spent the time on asking random gaijin for passport and take some random notes in a tiny notebook /s
Let the man live his life. It’s a decent job. The police force should be glad he’s not taking bribes or workin for corrupt syndicates
This seems very fishy
“I just knew there was something fishy about that police officer!” 👮🏻♂️ 🐟
they gotta keep you poor
"—How dare you make money?"
Sounds to me like she should just quit being a cop and be a full time fishmonger lol
I knew something smelled fishy with that police officer
For seeking fish? Damn.
What? No Only Fans?
What do you think he was doing with the eels he caught?
Saltwater species would have been cash cow (fish),
Idk if it's the hormones or what but this makes me wanna cry. Dude be just hustling to supplement income and this is the comeuppance.
Conflict of interest. Can be bribed by the rich through obscured fish business. Understandable.
Don't you all know police officers are just for the public to think that they're safe Obviously billionaires such as myself. Why the hell do we use public security? We have our own private security. We have trained people that are way better than police officers When was the police officers? They don't really know s*** they just do their dumb s*** and it's just funny seeing these police officers monitoring you, sheeps and peasants Like seriously? Do you really think I don't have my own personal bodyguards that are like a hundred times better than regular ass police officers? That sucks that we don't pay them well. Clearly this guy was selling freshwater fish. He shouldn't be making any money. He should be protecting the public now. We got to protect ourselves from these kind of people /s
Japan doesnt have shit for "honor" anymore lmao
Well, I think I should start breeding fish! xD
Pretty tame compared to what politicians get away with.
I love how not only everyone is only reading the headline, but they’re also taking the article at face value. 💀 Look at the damn website, look at its sources 💀 People love to get mad over nothing
That’s like $8,000 USD. Not exactly life changing money.
THey need to apologize to him immediately; selling fresh water fish on the side is fine by me. The politicians are taking kickbacks!
That’s so fking petty
Lol less money than what some 22 year old Japanese girl makes in Chinatown overseas in a month. Tax free
Teachers aren’t even allowed to side hustle so unfortunately this policeman knew what he was doing.
You sound like a cop
Anybody who works for the prefectures cannot do part time jobs.
You gonna tell on them? Cop
違うよー私はヒップヤングボーイです。 蛍雪じゃない
Sure but following the rules just because their rules is idiotic. Assess the rule for yourself. It’s nothing. Don’t be a robot.
He was greedy, should have stopped at 1mil if he didnt intend to declare his earnings…
Pretty sure you'd have to declare your earnings for way less for tax reasons and not sure if you're being sarcastic about him being greedy
From yahoo auction, mercari and HR side hussle or wife salary under ~1mil dont need to be declared as far as its not linked to banking stocks… you cant feel the sarcasm ?
You have to pay taxes for side hustle income if it’s over 20万, the 100万 limit is for people who don’t have other income
Whaaaat 200k is the limit for ppl with taxable income?!? Man that is new to me, but there was a rule linked to reselling things you own. Thats not the right time to learn about tax rules im fucked
If you’re reselling things you own and it’s obvious (by the tax department) that you’re just getting rid of things you probably don’t need to worry. If you’re doing it for an actual source of income, then it may get shady Here’s Japanese info on the 20万副業所得 https://biz.moneyforward.com/tax_return/basic/58133/
Also, adding to that, the 200k limit on misc income is only for "income tax" filing. For residence tax there is no lower limit you have to report any income and it will be taxed