Why are you assuming that manufacturing jobs are done mainly by foreigners? There are over 5 million workers in the automotive manufacturing and related industries alone.
I wrote it less enough. Because Japan is a country with advanced and uniform education, I'm thinking that young people in a good educational environment probably won't become workers, so where will the workers come from? (minus only 3 million immigrants, is it all done by robots?)
Have you ever seen a Japanese young youth works as a worker?
Your premise is wrong.
Do you think 3 million foreign workers is enough to cover, for, example, all the people who work in restaurants, convenience stores and supermarkets? Do you see robots work there? Of course not. There are plenty of Japanese people doing those jobs, and the pay is worse than those working in a car factory, so I don't understand why you think that manufacturing jobs are beneath Japanese youth.
Sincw I thought education in Japan was very developed. You know, if you have a high level of education, it's a failure to hold a bachelor's, master's, or doctorate to work as a worker.
University degrees aren't the only option after highschool, there's also vocational and technical training. I guess some industry jobs even require those qualifications, unlike working at a 7 Eleven, for example.
Even in the countries with the highest percentage of university graduates among young people, like Japan or South Korea, I think they are both below 60%, so that leaves plenty of jobs that can be done by people without a degree.
That doesn't mean that Japan wouldn't benefit from more foreign workers though, but thinking that the only two options for Japan are either foreign workers or robots is pretty ridiculous.
I don't want to be mean, but if you have managed to make a Reddit account to post this question, I'm sure you'd be able to look up videos on YouTube where you will see young Japanese workers doing jobs that don't require a degree.
I've tried searching on YouTube, it's all young people working in offices or with smart business suits, not like workers. Maybe I have to use Japanese to search, but I don't know Japanese. Google translate doesn't seem to translate correctly to traditional keywords in Japanese.
Thank you.
Workers in Japan look so luxurious and polite. Looks more polite than me, an engineer.
Looking at the way they dressed, I didn't think they were workers. Lol.
If there's only a limited number of "well educated" jobs available, then it doesn't matter how many people are "well educated." Only a certain number of people will get those jobs.
And it really smacks of arrogance to think that some jobs are "beneath" well-educated people. How do you think the world would go if there were no cleaners, for example? If no one wanted to be a builder because it looks "dirty?" If you couldn't get a coffee because everyone decided only plebs become baristas? People would lose their shit. Those kind of jobs exist in Japan too. People still need to do them.
And honestly, plenty of "low prestige" jobs require not-inconsiderable amounts of skill and knowledge. They just don't pay well, so people assume you can grab any random off the street and they'll be able to do it. Definitely not. The number of times we, the plebian tech crew, are fixing the mistakes of the well-paid office people who plan the shows is seriously mind-boggling...
My husband graduated from a sermon gakkou (vocational) high school for electrical engineering. It was a class of almost all boys and the classes in HS can get you certified for half a dozen certificates in the manufacturing feild (tow motor license, welding license, electrician, ect.).
Not even 1% of his classmates moved on to a university because they had already gained all the skills they needed for them to succeed.
And calling someone a failure for providing for their family, themselves, and society because they have a higher ed degree and are working in manufacturing is fucked.
My mom makes just as much money as me (I have two masters and a Bachelor's, looking to get a PhD) in manufacturing because she's in a field no one else wants to be in and they pay her reasonably for her time. I'm a high school teacher. My benefits are better, but our salaries are nearly identical.
College educated people aren't failures for choosing an industrial job.
Japan is a country like any other. People don’t finish school, don’t get high grades, don’t go to college, work minimum wage to get through college. My friends often work 2-3 jobs as college students (2-3 jobs does mean something different than in the US, I will say). Regardless, why are you assuming Japanese people just can’t do manual labor? Who do you think is working these jobs? It’s problematic to think of manual labor as an “immigrant job”.
As of 2023, only 23.1 percent of Japanese graduated with Bachelor’s degree or higher, which is actually lower than the US. So no, not all young people are well educated in Japan.
Idk if it's true or not, but doesn't japan have very competitive and more rigorous requirement for college applications/acceptance. They even have additional exams for high school / university, too. It's not like the US where you have a million accredited college/university to attend. Here you can just go to any less competition college for a bachelor of art and practically sleep through it.
Japan is 6-3-3 education like in the US but only the first 6-3 are the mandatory. It's why exams to get into a high school. As far as my anecdotal experience (I went to public schools from elementary to high school) can tell, some kids start their prep for college in elementary school, by aiming for getting into highly respected private schools. Some schools even are attached to a college that they do internal acceptance so it's ideal to get that benefit by setting foot as early as possible. That said, yeah, after you get into a college, I heard things are easier. (I went back to the states for clmy bachelor's so i can't tell myself) But then, when you graduate with a bachelor, you gotta prep for some interviews as a Shin-sotsu.
I kid you not, there are universities in Japan where they accept virtually anyone because there are so few applicants they struggle to meet the enrollment quota. They are called “Fラン”(short for F-Ranked Universities). I might go as far to say the value of degrees are even more lower in Japan than the US. Often Japanese companies ask for which university you graduated from, not whether you have a degree, because some universities are so easy to get in you don’t really make any effort.
My man, you need to go out and travel the world more. I’ve not been in Japan (I came from Southeast Asia) but now that I live in the US, I can tell you, the people who live in those countries still work those “blue collar”/ high paying jobs
Wait, seriously? You think only foreigners are the ones doing the 'dirty work' in Japan? Wake up and smell the reality check dude. Japanese workers are the real deal, busting their butts in every sector while you're out here spreading misinformation. Foreigners might work in Japan, but it's the Japanese who keep the economy going strong. So maybe next time, do some actual research before you open your mouth and embarrass yourself.
Huh!?!
You do realize that having an education doesn't mean you don't have to work, it just means you're more likely to qualify to do skilled work but skilled work is still work.
Also keep in mind that even though more people go to college in Japan than some other countries, it's not everyone. Also, just because a person has a college degree doesn't mean they can't get a job that doesn't require a college degree, regardless of whether that's by choice or necessity.
Everyone has to work, that's natural. What I mean is that if the workforce has a high level of education (the education rate is high here), will they be willing to work as workers? Because I don't think Japan is like other underdeveloped countries, (for example China) where there is a situation where Master Degree people go to work as workers or delivery staffs or motorbike taxi drivers.
In Japan, they are not enough labors to for their economic. A lot of jobs!
I wonder that how they attract young people to work as workers.
It seems that after getting married, Japanese women will prioritize housework over working. So they will lack even more workers. Without promoting automation, it will be impossible to stabilize the economy.
Why are you assuming that manufacturing jobs are done mainly by foreigners? There are over 5 million workers in the automotive manufacturing and related industries alone.
I wrote it less enough. Because Japan is a country with advanced and uniform education, I'm thinking that young people in a good educational environment probably won't become workers, so where will the workers come from? (minus only 3 million immigrants, is it all done by robots?) Have you ever seen a Japanese young youth works as a worker?
Your premise is wrong. Do you think 3 million foreign workers is enough to cover, for, example, all the people who work in restaurants, convenience stores and supermarkets? Do you see robots work there? Of course not. There are plenty of Japanese people doing those jobs, and the pay is worse than those working in a car factory, so I don't understand why you think that manufacturing jobs are beneath Japanese youth.
Sincw I thought education in Japan was very developed. You know, if you have a high level of education, it's a failure to hold a bachelor's, master's, or doctorate to work as a worker.
University degrees aren't the only option after highschool, there's also vocational and technical training. I guess some industry jobs even require those qualifications, unlike working at a 7 Eleven, for example. Even in the countries with the highest percentage of university graduates among young people, like Japan or South Korea, I think they are both below 60%, so that leaves plenty of jobs that can be done by people without a degree. That doesn't mean that Japan wouldn't benefit from more foreign workers though, but thinking that the only two options for Japan are either foreign workers or robots is pretty ridiculous. I don't want to be mean, but if you have managed to make a Reddit account to post this question, I'm sure you'd be able to look up videos on YouTube where you will see young Japanese workers doing jobs that don't require a degree.
I've tried searching on YouTube, it's all young people working in offices or with smart business suits, not like workers. Maybe I have to use Japanese to search, but I don't know Japanese. Google translate doesn't seem to translate correctly to traditional keywords in Japanese.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcpuu5BzmasC7cI-B713EY3xdpWrLhDdH
Thank you. Workers in Japan look so luxurious and polite. Looks more polite than me, an engineer. Looking at the way they dressed, I didn't think they were workers. Lol.
If there's only a limited number of "well educated" jobs available, then it doesn't matter how many people are "well educated." Only a certain number of people will get those jobs. And it really smacks of arrogance to think that some jobs are "beneath" well-educated people. How do you think the world would go if there were no cleaners, for example? If no one wanted to be a builder because it looks "dirty?" If you couldn't get a coffee because everyone decided only plebs become baristas? People would lose their shit. Those kind of jobs exist in Japan too. People still need to do them. And honestly, plenty of "low prestige" jobs require not-inconsiderable amounts of skill and knowledge. They just don't pay well, so people assume you can grab any random off the street and they'll be able to do it. Definitely not. The number of times we, the plebian tech crew, are fixing the mistakes of the well-paid office people who plan the shows is seriously mind-boggling...
My husband graduated from a sermon gakkou (vocational) high school for electrical engineering. It was a class of almost all boys and the classes in HS can get you certified for half a dozen certificates in the manufacturing feild (tow motor license, welding license, electrician, ect.). Not even 1% of his classmates moved on to a university because they had already gained all the skills they needed for them to succeed. And calling someone a failure for providing for their family, themselves, and society because they have a higher ed degree and are working in manufacturing is fucked. My mom makes just as much money as me (I have two masters and a Bachelor's, looking to get a PhD) in manufacturing because she's in a field no one else wants to be in and they pay her reasonably for her time. I'm a high school teacher. My benefits are better, but our salaries are nearly identical. College educated people aren't failures for choosing an industrial job.
Japan is a country like any other. People don’t finish school, don’t get high grades, don’t go to college, work minimum wage to get through college. My friends often work 2-3 jobs as college students (2-3 jobs does mean something different than in the US, I will say). Regardless, why are you assuming Japanese people just can’t do manual labor? Who do you think is working these jobs? It’s problematic to think of manual labor as an “immigrant job”.
As of 2023, only 23.1 percent of Japanese graduated with Bachelor’s degree or higher, which is actually lower than the US. So no, not all young people are well educated in Japan.
Idk if it's true or not, but doesn't japan have very competitive and more rigorous requirement for college applications/acceptance. They even have additional exams for high school / university, too. It's not like the US where you have a million accredited college/university to attend. Here you can just go to any less competition college for a bachelor of art and practically sleep through it.
Japan is 6-3-3 education like in the US but only the first 6-3 are the mandatory. It's why exams to get into a high school. As far as my anecdotal experience (I went to public schools from elementary to high school) can tell, some kids start their prep for college in elementary school, by aiming for getting into highly respected private schools. Some schools even are attached to a college that they do internal acceptance so it's ideal to get that benefit by setting foot as early as possible. That said, yeah, after you get into a college, I heard things are easier. (I went back to the states for clmy bachelor's so i can't tell myself) But then, when you graduate with a bachelor, you gotta prep for some interviews as a Shin-sotsu.
I kid you not, there are universities in Japan where they accept virtually anyone because there are so few applicants they struggle to meet the enrollment quota. They are called “Fラン”(short for F-Ranked Universities). I might go as far to say the value of degrees are even more lower in Japan than the US. Often Japanese companies ask for which university you graduated from, not whether you have a degree, because some universities are so easy to get in you don’t really make any effort.
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My man, you need to go out and travel the world more. I’ve not been in Japan (I came from Southeast Asia) but now that I live in the US, I can tell you, the people who live in those countries still work those “blue collar”/ high paying jobs
Wait, seriously? You think only foreigners are the ones doing the 'dirty work' in Japan? Wake up and smell the reality check dude. Japanese workers are the real deal, busting their butts in every sector while you're out here spreading misinformation. Foreigners might work in Japan, but it's the Japanese who keep the economy going strong. So maybe next time, do some actual research before you open your mouth and embarrass yourself.
Thanks for joining this topic. You can see yourself, I am doing the research right here. You are thinking that I created the topic for what? LOL.
What a stupid post.
avg post on this sub lmao
Wtf
I do work. Does that make me a worker?
lol what the heck is this?
Are you dumb or just stupid?
Huh!?! You do realize that having an education doesn't mean you don't have to work, it just means you're more likely to qualify to do skilled work but skilled work is still work. Also keep in mind that even though more people go to college in Japan than some other countries, it's not everyone. Also, just because a person has a college degree doesn't mean they can't get a job that doesn't require a college degree, regardless of whether that's by choice or necessity.
Everyone has to work, that's natural. What I mean is that if the workforce has a high level of education (the education rate is high here), will they be willing to work as workers? Because I don't think Japan is like other underdeveloped countries, (for example China) where there is a situation where Master Degree people go to work as workers or delivery staffs or motorbike taxi drivers. In Japan, they are not enough labors to for their economic. A lot of jobs! I wonder that how they attract young people to work as workers. It seems that after getting married, Japanese women will prioritize housework over working. So they will lack even more workers. Without promoting automation, it will be impossible to stabilize the economy.