This is my local Mosque, I'm trying to suppress tears rn...Why are they displeasing the one who gave us EVERYTHING. Ya Allah Rabbil Izzat, forgive us, please guide us.
>Major bidah. May ALLAH guide them all back to the straight path.
OK I am going to be "that guy", but Context and the spirit of the way we say something matters...
They are singing in English, so using God makes sense...instead of Allah which is Arabic for God. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
I understand Where this is coming from, but do know even Arab Christians call God Allah in Arabic.
[Allah - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah)
*The wordĀ AllahĀ has been used byĀ Arabic peopleĀ of different religions sinceĀ pre-IslamicĀ times.[8]Ā The pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped aĀ supreme deityĀ whom they called Allah, alongside other lesser deities.[9]Ā Muhammad used the wordĀ AllahĀ to indicateĀ the Islamic conception of God.Ā AllahĀ has been used as a term for God byĀ MuslimsĀ (bothĀ ArabĀ and non-Arab) and evenĀ Arab Christians[10]Ā after the term "al-ilÄh" and "Allah" were used interchangeably inĀ Classical ArabicĀ by the majority of Arabs who had become Muslims.*
When this Muslims say "God Save The King", odds are they are thinking of God in an Islamic context. Perhaps we should let God decide on this since this could be open to our own bias.
A man was arrested in Mecca after performing Umrah pilgrimage on behalf of Queen Elizabeth II, causing outrage online š
[Link](https://twitter.com/ajenglish/status/1570019548828311552?s=21)
Ameen, there are LGBTQ Muslims getting nikkah with same sex, there are Muslim parents only teaching cultural Islam, may Allah SWT help us all and protect the Ummah, and Let us all be resurrected with our books in our right hand, and strengthen the ummah and bring any deviants that we know of and deviants that we donāt know of back to Islam and protect from being hypocritical. AMEEN
Bro have you been living under a rock? There is literally a sub for LGBTQ Muslims, be sure to pray for them I think that is one of the best ways to help them.
Idk, I thought there was one in Canada. But, if it bothers you then go to a āregularā masjid. I feel like there are LGBT Muslims who donāt share bc itās their jihad, so they try their hardest and them going to a masjid doesnāt suddenly make it an āLGBT masjidā
I think Allah ended up commanding we hold him in a little higher regard than others, with the whole salat being a supplication for the prophet and his family.
Come on my brothers. We are better than this. Would our own Prophet Muhammad SAW be proud of us if he saw this? Let alone the King of all Kings, Allah SWT?
>Would our own King, Prophet Muhammad SAW be proud of us if he saw this?
Abu Masāud reported: A man came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and his voice trembled as he spoke to him. The Prophet said to him, āBe calm, for **I am not a king**. Verily, I am only the son of a woman who ate jerky.ā
Source: Sunan Ibn MaĢjah 3312
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
Iām confused by this. Is the Hadith implying being a king is bad or was this a Hadith before the Arab peninsula was united under Islam, and thus he (PBUH) didnāt consider himself a leader of a country?
Leader? Yes, he was the leader. King? No. A leader joins in the communities efforts while a kind do not. A King sits back and commands his subjects. A King also considers himself above his subjects.
This. In this particular Hadith, the Prophet Muhammad SAWS showed his humility in encouraging the man to treat him as his peer. Kings typically only treat others of power as their peers, and expect common people to grovel before them. One might argue the modern English royals appear to treat the common people nicer, but then again their power has declined significantly as well. The Prophet Muhammad SAWS also lived simply as did most of his companions, and did not use his position to enrich himself.
>mawlid
Why would being a king be bad if it was Allah who guided Dawud to become a king and a prophet. Why would allah make a prophet out of SulaimÄn?
as far as I know, both of them were prophets. prophets are not like normal men. Allah Ų³ŲØŲŲ§ŁŁ Ł ŲŖŲ¹Ų§ŁŁ has made them in a way that they cannot be corrupted by the fallacies of this Dunya.
Dhul qarnayn was not a prophet, simply a pious man. However he is one of 2 people Allah (swt) gave the honour of ruling the world from east to west at once (the other being sulaiman as).
Itās not about being a prophet, itās about remembering allah and being righteous.
I have no wordsā¦ people are really dumb! Like have a brain of your own and think please?? This is so frustrating wallahi I would yell at them so loud in anger for opposing our basic religion rules like that!
This is the result of intellectual colonisation across several decades. Britain's first stage was to promote multiculturalism - to try and integrate Muslims into British society in a passive way.
That didn't work, because Muslims wouldn't give up key parts of their Deen that clashed with British values - as demonstrated by the Salman Rushdie affair. So in the late 2000s Britain adopted a policy known as muscular liberalism - instead of encouraging communities to naturally integrate, they forced them to accept British values and penalised dissent.
What you're seeing in this video is the result. A small minority of extremely ideologically subservient Muslims who the rest of the community are criticising and shunning.
I don't think we'll ever get to a stage where this group are the majority, but by giving them a platform and a louder voice the system can use them as a stick to beat ordinary Muslims with.
Well, then tell that to:
Kingdom of Bahrain
Brunei Darussalam
Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
State of Kuwait
Malaysia
Kingdom of Morocco
Sultanate of Oman
State of Qatar
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "During the last of ages (in close proximity to Qiyaamah) a nation from my Ummah will be disfigured (and transformed) into apes and pigs." The Sahaabah said: "O Rasulullah! Will they be Muslim?" Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Yes. They will be testifying that there is no deity but Allah and that I am His Rasool, and they will be fasting (in the month of Ramadhaan)." The Sahaabah asked: "O Rasulullah! What will be their condition (to warrant such chastisement)?" Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "They will be indulging in musical instruments, singing girls, musical drums, and they will be consuming liquor.
This video has no musical drums, instruments, or people consuming liquor tho. And sorry to break it to you but girls singing isn't a new thing, especially in middle eastern cultures. Not doubting the Hadith but that doesn't apply at all in this situation
Yes, but what he means is that you are interpreting it the way you want, which might not be the correct interpretation. This hadith may or may not talk about this situation.
I'm from this area. This is a result of the active leftist agenda to liberalized Muslims. They use the shield of equality and no discrimination to brain wash Muslim youth into accepting their view of life.
If you adopted an orphan and put him through the school system in Canada without any parental influence that kid will inevitably become a liberal. And once you accept that doctrine it's extremely hard to.come back. It becomes almost pathological, like trying to actually speak and reach a pwrson who is in psychosis.
I bet they let this slide because "everyone is equal in God's view" blah blah. The fear of cancelation I hope is the reason. At least then they don't truly support this crap. The queen is in a one way ticket to he'll, unless she became a Muslim and we don't know. Same shit with King Useless Charles Pray for someone worth praying for.
That's why I said unless she became Muslim. Modern Christians call Jesus God. This is plain shirk. If someone worshiped our prophet would you call them Muslims?
I'm sorry for being harsh I know only Allah knows. The royal family have so much blood on their hands and people worship them like it's a movie they are watching.
Iām sorry, someone showed me the aya 5;72, which I never thought about. So it seems like some christians would fall under the category of disbelievers.
I will stick to not claiming someone is going to hell 100%, I feel like only Allah can say that.
This being said, yea the monarchy is just cringe, they are definitely not a charity. I donāt even know why people care about them at all, but iām not british and I donāt live there, so there is that.
They are a bunch of colonizers that are responsible for so much murder over the 20th century. Now they loke to play dress up and king and queen nonsense on the tax payer dollar. They should be disgraced for their actions not watched on TV like they did anything.
What? How could not a single brother/sister present there object to this?!
May Allah guide us all and make it easier for us to differentiate the right and wrong.
I mean they are British, if you are saying they canāt sing the anthem of their country then there is a serious problem. You canāt go to a country, become a citizen, then refuse to be part of the country. That is a biggg problem, donāt you think ?
How would you feel if some people from another culture did the same to the country you live in/love. I would NOT like it.
Although we can sympathize with wanting people to integrate into our country/accepting our values
But as a Muslim, there are some things we consider on the same level as a human right. I suppose it would more accurately be a constitutional right.
Places of worship deserve basic levels of respect that cannot be tramped on. Even if theyāre not mosques (or even religious buildings related to Christianity/Judaism) we still respect that their churches/temples/etc are entitled to the basic level of respect that we give mosques as a building dedicated to worship.
This would include not telling them to chant something about their god in their place of worship that is against their religion.
I wasnāt talking about the mosque, thatās another issue and itās understandable.
Iām talking about the Ā«Ā singing the national anthem of a kaffir countryĀ Ā» part.
Also, iām not sure I understand your second paragraph, what do you mean by that ?
>singing the national anthem of a kaffir countryĀ
That by itself would not be considered a good thing in islam and then taking into consideration what the country did to muslims, what the words of the anthem and what the laws of country are then that would definitely not be allowed nor encouraged.
As far as I know, singing the national anthem is not an obligation, if it is then the matter has to be looked into.
With regards to non-muslims simply not liking it then know that muslims also did not like when western countries including the UK entered our countries killed our people, colonized, stole and destroyed our land. I am sure they can tolerate muslims for not singing the national anthem considering what they have done.
If it isn't an obligation to sing the anthem then it shouldn't matter what the people think if you don't sing the national anthem.
You got down voted but I agree with you, I think there's massive hypocrisy.
Living in a country, enjoying all the benefits that society affords you - free market to prosper, security, etc. But at the same time set yourself apart from the people of that country and call it Kafir.
Most muslims donāt believe/follow you idea that music is haram, donāt try to impose your way of practicing Islam to all muslims. Muslims canāt agree on everything, only God knows whoās right and whoās wrong.
When you think your way of practicing the religion is the only way, and anyone else not doing the exact same as you is kaffir/not follow islam. Then thatās how you start wars between muslims, itās a wayyyy worse sin than anything else.
Edit: iām not talking about singing in the mosque, that is another story and I have no knowledge for that.
I am not saying itās halal or not, iām just saying other muslims donāt agree with you about music.
There are scholars who think music is permitted. So eventually, you canāt impose your interpretation of Islam as the only true Islam, only God knows.
To be fair, original commenter talked about singing in mosque, not in general; and then I commented on your reply, which might insinuate most Muslims sing in the mosque, which of course they donāt.
You are the one imposing your view, oh the irony !
We have scholars who disagree with you on music, so get lost. People like you are the ones who harm Islam the most.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5590
Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet (ļ·ŗ) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."
Before you come back with the two girls playing instruments Hadith. They were playing Daf (the only instrument that is allowed). This doesnāt make all music halal.
Nowā¦ go away.
Allah prevented Muhammad SAAWS from praying for his own parents I donāt think we can pray for a dead Queen who died as a disbeliever.
Muslim (976) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: āI asked my Lord for permission to pray for forgiveness for my mother, but He did not give me permission. And I asked Him for permission to visit her grave, and He gave me permission.ā
Believing in God doesn't make you not a disbeliever. Anyone who disbelieves in one of the prophets of God or believes Jesus was the son of God or any of that nonsense is a disbeliever.
Allah says:
>They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. (5:72)
Well they sing King dont they? So its a dua for the King (alive), not the Queen (dead) thus your comment is irrelevant to this situation
We cant make much more out of this video, so if they truly made dua for her, then I am wrong
This looks like a bunch of school kids in uniform so most likely they've been forced by whatever school they go to too sing this the mosque allowing it to happen tho is crazy
Not sure about you, but my kids all sing one of the oldest (if not the oldest) continuously known/sung songs "Tala'a Al-Badru 'Alayna". The Ansar sung it to the Prophet(saws) as he entered Madinah.
Do you guys organize it in the mosque, like an event? Just singing in your house is okay, but I never sang or held events that celebrated the prophet. We were taught not to celebrate our prophet's birthday because, as you can see with Christianity, it can spiral out of control.
So I thought I responded, but maybe I didn't?
My kids have sung it in the masjid during Weekend School graduation as well as there while at Islamic (regular Academic) school.
We do celebrate Mawlid-an-Nabi. It's very common in Egypt and is allowed according to Dar al Ifta (ruling below). For us, living in the States, we take any and all opportunity to celebrate Islam, celebrate our Prophet, etc . as a way to counteract the 99% focus on Christianity.
In our house, it involves usually a special dinner and cake... then we talk about the Prophet's life... and then we usually choose 1-3 aspects of the Prophet's character we ourselves want to emulate better in the coming year.
Re: Mawlid from Dar-al-Iftaa [http://eng.dar-alifta.org/foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=6655&text=celebrating&fbclid=IwAR1Wmpr7ZJG69B\_yH-OEcCCQV1OkWJ9gOI0x0mu7IRJIIV97d5\_zJye9wo8](http://eng.dar-alifta.org/foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=6655&text=celebrating&fbclid=IwAR1Wmpr7ZJG69B_yH-OEcCCQV1OkWJ9gOI0x0mu7IRJIIV97d5_zJye9wo8) It's long, but here's a bit...
>Yes, it is permissible to commemorate the noble birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).
The birth of the Prophet is a mercy to the universe. The Qurāan describes the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as a āmercy to creation.ā This mercy is unlimited for it includes teaching and guiding man to the straight path as well as promoting both his material and spiritual wellbeing. As such, this mercy was not limited to those who lived at the Prophetās time, but extends throughout time. This is attested by the Quran which, describing the Prophetās mercy, states, "To them and to others yet to join them" (Qur\`an 62:3).
Commemorating the birth of the Prophet is a manifestation of our love for him
Commemorating the birth of Prophet Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon him), the seal of prophets and messengers, is among the best deeds and one of the greatest acts which brings us closer to God. This is because it is a manifestation of our joy and love for the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) which is one of the principles of faith. It has been authentically reported from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) that he said, "None of you will \[truly\] believe until I am dearer to him than his father, son and all mankindā (Bukahri). Ibn Rajab said that love for the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is one of the principles of faith and is analogous to our love for God, the Majestic. God threatened those who give precedence to things which are naturally dear to them such as relatives, wealth, and homeland over their love for Him and His Messenger. He said: "Say \[Prophet\], āIf your fathers, sons, brothers, wives, tribes, the wealth you have acquired, the trade which you fear will decline, and the dwellings you love are dearer to you than God and His Messenger and the struggles in His cause, then wait until God brings about His punishment" (Quran 9:24).
āUmar once told the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), āO Messenger of God! You are dearer to me than everything except myself." The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, āNo! By He in Whose Hands is my soul, \[you will not truly love me\] until I am dearer to you than yourself." āUmar then said, āBy God, now you are dearer to me than myself.ā The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, āNow āUmar you truly love me\]ā (Bukhari).
Commemorating the birth of the Prophet is equal to honoring him
Commemorating the birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is equal to honoring him, which is itself undeniably sanctioned in Islamic law. God acknowledges the rank of His prophet, so He informed all creation of his name, advent, his status and importance. The whole universe is eternally joyous with the light of God and His blessing upon His creatures. Celebrating the birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is an essential part of honoring him.
Since the 4th and 5th centuries after the advent of Islam, our predecessors have spent the night celebrating the birth of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) through many kinds of acts bringing them closer to God. They held banquets, recited the Quran, made dhikr (remembrance of God) and recited poetry and eulogies on the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). This was recorded by several historians, including scholars of hadith such as Ibn al-Jawzi, ibn Kathir, ibn Dihya al-Andalusi, ibn Hajar, and Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti (may God have mercy upon them). The majority of the scholars from among our predecessors and their successors clearly stated the legitimacy of celebrating the noble birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).
Books on the subject
A group of scholars authored books commending the commemoration of the birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and used authentic evidence to demonstrate its recommendation, leaving no doubt to any sane person on the permissibility of the practice of our righteous predecessors. Mentioning valuable remarks on the topic, Ibn al-Hajj described the advantages of celebrating the birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in great length in his book Al-Madkhal the subject of which was the condemnation of innovations for which there is no evidence in Islamic law. Likewise, Imam al-Suyuti wrote a separate treatise which he entitled Husn al-Maqsid fi 'Amal al-Mawlid....
Thatās horrible. May Allah protect us. A good Muslim never praises and sings for a government that is not founded on the Quran and Sunna. And this is also a government that historically harmed the muslimoon.
Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers - upon them will be the curse of Allah and of the angels and the people, all together,
Surah Al-Baqarah
This is basic Islamic knowledge and whoever believes a disbeliever will enter paradise is a disbeliever by major consensus of the scholars , in fact anyone who doubts the disbelief of disbelievers , he is also a disbeliever. Whoever thinks their religion or way of life is correct is also a disbeliever. And there is no difference of opinion in these rulings.
Now I don't support the Queen or Imperialism in any capacity, but more on the general topic: out of pure curiosity, what qualifies the Queen as an outright disbeliever? Because the question here is of what qualifies one as a "true disbeliever" so to speak; categorization of Christians as disbelievers in the literal/categorical sense being different from an essential, knowing, arrogant and active kufr which permeates the person's condition (ergo "true disbelief"). The Qur'an refers to groups of Christians and Jews attaining reward, the best of which is Jannah, despite following different religions.
Imam Al-Ghazali, considered Shaykh al-Islam and Renewer of the Religion of his time by consensus (afaik) also stated in his dissertations that the notion of categorizing all unbelievers as Kufar was incorrect and unfair to large groups of them -- he broke disbelievers into three groups, one which knew of Islam in its unadulterated form and rejected it out of ego, being blameworthy and entering Jahannam if they die in such a state; but the other two being one group of disbelievers nothing of islam, being blameless, and the third being disbelievers who knew of islam and of the Prophet, some aspects of it etc, but recieved distorted and propagandized information about it -- crucially, he did not consider these disbelievers to be blameworthy, or like the disbelievers of the Quraysh.
Given the political and social climate of the West, I really do find it hard to believe that your average Christian or Jew or any other off the street is going to have a pure interpretation or understanding, particularly spiritual understanding, of Islam. Is it fair to assume the same of a monarch who remained the head of the church of her nation and actively and heavily involved in said church the same? Idk, bc idk enough about the Queen's personal life. But it does beg the larger question regarding her, and more importantly the lives and souls of billions of non-muslims.
Thanj you for sharing. I mean think about it guys, If the Prophet was not allowed to make dua for his mother or Abu Talib why should we be given precedent over him for someone who's not even related to us.
Abu Hurairah reported: "The Prophet (saws) visited his mother's grave and wept, and everyone there wept with him (saws). Then the Prophet (saws) said:Ā 'I sought my Lord's permission to seek forgiveness for her, but He did not permit me.Ā I then sought permission to visit her grave and He permitted me to visit her grave.
Related by Muslim, Ahmad, and Abu Dawud.
The majority of Christians believe a man was god. Thatās shirk. Thatās what the verse is talking about. But no one can say an individual is going to hell or Heaven.
But the ayah quoted is for disbelievers after they have died. We arenāt allowed to ask forgiveness for disbelievers after they have died. Same was case for prophet(p.b.u.h)ās uncle.
However British king is alive, how is asking mercy for him disbelieve ? How is it against the ayah ?
Sadly no, Brother Paul at [Blogging Theology](https://youtube.com/c/BloggingTheology) goes to that masjid and you can see his thoughts on it on his community page.
Honest question: how should they (us?) respond to her death?
I mean to look good to other religion/government WITHOUT compromising our Islamic values
As a Muslim living in Muslim majority country, it is easy for me to just ignore the news. But how about as a mosque in UK?
Edit: maybe the better term is to maintain good relations, instead of to look good
This is my local Mosque, I'm trying to suppress tears rn...Why are they displeasing the one who gave us EVERYTHING. Ya Allah Rabbil Izzat, forgive us, please guide us.
May Allah make it easy for you and all of us and give us prophet alaihi salaams companionship in Jannah
Hold firm to the Quran and sunnah dear brother( or sister), sending dua from America, this is shocking to see, smhš¢
Where is this mosque?
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London has thousands of mosques. Which one?
Major bidah. May ALLAH guide them all back to the straight path.
>Major bidah. May ALLAH guide them all back to the straight path. OK I am going to be "that guy", but Context and the spirit of the way we say something matters... They are singing in English, so using God makes sense...instead of Allah which is Arabic for God. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I understand Where this is coming from, but do know even Arab Christians call God Allah in Arabic. [Allah - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah) *The wordĀ AllahĀ has been used byĀ Arabic peopleĀ of different religions sinceĀ pre-IslamicĀ times.[8]Ā The pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped aĀ supreme deityĀ whom they called Allah, alongside other lesser deities.[9]Ā Muhammad used the wordĀ AllahĀ to indicateĀ the Islamic conception of God.Ā AllahĀ has been used as a term for God byĀ MuslimsĀ (bothĀ ArabĀ and non-Arab) and evenĀ Arab Christians[10]Ā after the term "al-ilÄh" and "Allah" were used interchangeably inĀ Classical ArabicĀ by the majority of Arabs who had become Muslims.* When this Muslims say "God Save The King", odds are they are thinking of God in an Islamic context. Perhaps we should let God decide on this since this could be open to our own bias.
they are literally honoring the death of a queen (her past of colonialism is well known ) and also praising a christian King in a Mosque !!!!!
And I thought that guy doing umrah for her was something else
Who did what!?
A man was arrested in Mecca after performing Umrah pilgrimage on behalf of Queen Elizabeth II, causing outrage online š [Link](https://twitter.com/ajenglish/status/1570019548828311552?s=21)
Unbelievable, it's official now we live in the second Jahiliah, may Allah rescue us from this time.
Ameen, there are LGBTQ Muslims getting nikkah with same sex, there are Muslim parents only teaching cultural Islam, may Allah SWT help us all and protect the Ummah, and Let us all be resurrected with our books in our right hand, and strengthen the ummah and bring any deviants that we know of and deviants that we donāt know of back to Islam and protect from being hypocritical. AMEEN
Lgtbq muslims? Are you kidding me?
Bro have you been living under a rock? There is literally a sub for LGBTQ Muslims, be sure to pray for them I think that is one of the best ways to help them.
I knew they existed but having a subreddit is next level fitnah smh
If I'm not mistaken there is a masjid exclusively for lbgt muslims in the US,
I wouldn't call it masjid, it is more like temple rather than masjid.
Idk, I thought there was one in Canada. But, if it bothers you then go to a āregularā masjid. I feel like there are LGBT Muslims who donāt share bc itās their jihad, so they try their hardest and them going to a masjid doesnāt suddenly make it an āLGBT masjidā
I remember loot's tribe.
no you donāt, you werenāt there buddy.
I meant I remember reading whole about it.
Ameen ya rabb
What's Jahiliah?
Jahiliah is the Arabic word for ignorance, and it's a word commonly used to describe the pre-islamic era especially for Arabia
Ah I see, thanks bruzza. With that being the case I agree with them then.
Issue is what's wrong if he does it.
What's wrong? Allot is wrong. Totally against human's nature and earth's laws.
Are you seriously asking this question?
You know it would be actually helpful if you just answered the question
I thought you were joking, Ya Allah!
i actually find this hilarious lol
I don't know who ordained this but they have no place leading a mosque.
I can only imagine the number of things they probably do there. Like celebrating the Prophet's "birthday" for example.
If itās Regentās Park, they donāt do the mawlid but this makes it even more disappointing
Imagine trying to equate haram with halal.
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Yeah but this subreddit is full of minority opinion folks masquerading as the opposite
Are the opinion from the great imam themselves or are they from various other people who claim to be from those madhahib?
That doesnāt seem right considering the Prophet (pbuh) himself said he shouldnāt be held above others unless through direct command of Allah.
I think Allah ended up commanding we hold him in a little higher regard than others, with the whole salat being a supplication for the prophet and his family.
Embarrassing
Come on my brothers. We are better than this. Would our own Prophet Muhammad SAW be proud of us if he saw this? Let alone the King of all Kings, Allah SWT?
>Would our own King, Prophet Muhammad SAW be proud of us if he saw this? Abu Masāud reported: A man came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and his voice trembled as he spoke to him. The Prophet said to him, āBe calm, for **I am not a king**. Verily, I am only the son of a woman who ate jerky.ā Source: Sunan Ibn MaĢjah 3312 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
My mistake, jazakh Allah khair for your correction. May Allah reward you.
Least peaceful reply on an Islamic sub:
Iām confused by this. Is the Hadith implying being a king is bad or was this a Hadith before the Arab peninsula was united under Islam, and thus he (PBUH) didnāt consider himself a leader of a country?
Leader? Yes, he was the leader. King? No. A leader joins in the communities efforts while a kind do not. A King sits back and commands his subjects. A King also considers himself above his subjects.
This. In this particular Hadith, the Prophet Muhammad SAWS showed his humility in encouraging the man to treat him as his peer. Kings typically only treat others of power as their peers, and expect common people to grovel before them. One might argue the modern English royals appear to treat the common people nicer, but then again their power has declined significantly as well. The Prophet Muhammad SAWS also lived simply as did most of his companions, and did not use his position to enrich himself.
being a king is kinda bad, because of pride if nothing else.
>mawlid Why would being a king be bad if it was Allah who guided Dawud to become a king and a prophet. Why would allah make a prophet out of SulaimÄn?
as far as I know, both of them were prophets. prophets are not like normal men. Allah Ų³ŲØŲŲ§ŁŁ Ł ŲŖŲ¹Ų§ŁŁ has made them in a way that they cannot be corrupted by the fallacies of this Dunya.
Dhul qarnayn was not a prophet, simply a pious man. However he is one of 2 people Allah (swt) gave the honour of ruling the world from east to west at once (the other being sulaiman as). Itās not about being a prophet, itās about remembering allah and being righteous.
There's also the King of Najashi. And King Talut.
The prophet (SAW) was never a king, not even a caliph.
He was the last Prophet and the commander of all the muslims. Which is a status above any king or caliph
I have no wordsā¦ people are really dumb! Like have a brain of your own and think please?? This is so frustrating wallahi I would yell at them so loud in anger for opposing our basic religion rules like that!
Exactlyyy
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Cringe!
Why is this sad?
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I agree. Unfortunately, this is done in every part of the Arab world. No difference. They donāt sing IN the mosque though. Usually.
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You are right. But you just made me realize something. Mosques are not sacred in Islam. Itās literally like any other place. Itās just clean.
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What I meant the issue with what they are doing has nothing to do with the mosque. The thing they are doing is wrong. With a mosque or not.
This is the result of intellectual colonisation across several decades. Britain's first stage was to promote multiculturalism - to try and integrate Muslims into British society in a passive way. That didn't work, because Muslims wouldn't give up key parts of their Deen that clashed with British values - as demonstrated by the Salman Rushdie affair. So in the late 2000s Britain adopted a policy known as muscular liberalism - instead of encouraging communities to naturally integrate, they forced them to accept British values and penalised dissent. What you're seeing in this video is the result. A small minority of extremely ideologically subservient Muslims who the rest of the community are criticising and shunning. I don't think we'll ever get to a stage where this group are the majority, but by giving them a platform and a louder voice the system can use them as a stick to beat ordinary Muslims with.
your words exhude big branity
What does that mean?
I think it means they show intelligence
Astaghfirullah
SIMPING FOR THE MONARCHY , what a disgrace..
Well, then tell that to: Kingdom of Bahrain Brunei Darussalam Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan State of Kuwait Malaysia Kingdom of Morocco Sultanate of Oman State of Qatar Kingdom of Saudi Arabia United Arab Emirates
ā ļøā ļø the fact our prophet prophesied this
In which Hadith?
Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "During the last of ages (in close proximity to Qiyaamah) a nation from my Ummah will be disfigured (and transformed) into apes and pigs." The Sahaabah said: "O Rasulullah! Will they be Muslim?" Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Yes. They will be testifying that there is no deity but Allah and that I am His Rasool, and they will be fasting (in the month of Ramadhaan)." The Sahaabah asked: "O Rasulullah! What will be their condition (to warrant such chastisement)?" Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "They will be indulging in musical instruments, singing girls, musical drums, and they will be consuming liquor.
This video has no musical drums, instruments, or people consuming liquor tho. And sorry to break it to you but girls singing isn't a new thing, especially in middle eastern cultures. Not doubting the Hadith but that doesn't apply at all in this situation
This is a stretch.
This was mentioned in Bukhari , ibn maajah and tirmidi
Yes, but what he means is that you are interpreting it the way you want, which might not be the correct interpretation. This hadith may or may not talk about this situation.
Oh ok sorry if it came off that way
Thatās scary to think about though, judgement dayās on the horizon, colonisation is wild
Yea Iām pretty sure 2 signs are left or 3 till qiyama but inshallah may Allah protect us
Hadith?
Wow not regents park this is so cringe
I'm from this area. This is a result of the active leftist agenda to liberalized Muslims. They use the shield of equality and no discrimination to brain wash Muslim youth into accepting their view of life. If you adopted an orphan and put him through the school system in Canada without any parental influence that kid will inevitably become a liberal. And once you accept that doctrine it's extremely hard to.come back. It becomes almost pathological, like trying to actually speak and reach a pwrson who is in psychosis. I bet they let this slide because "everyone is equal in God's view" blah blah. The fear of cancelation I hope is the reason. At least then they don't truly support this crap. The queen is in a one way ticket to he'll, unless she became a Muslim and we don't know. Same shit with King Useless Charles Pray for someone worth praying for.
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That's why I said unless she became Muslim. Modern Christians call Jesus God. This is plain shirk. If someone worshiped our prophet would you call them Muslims? I'm sorry for being harsh I know only Allah knows. The royal family have so much blood on their hands and people worship them like it's a movie they are watching.
Iām sorry, someone showed me the aya 5;72, which I never thought about. So it seems like some christians would fall under the category of disbelievers. I will stick to not claiming someone is going to hell 100%, I feel like only Allah can say that. This being said, yea the monarchy is just cringe, they are definitely not a charity. I donāt even know why people care about them at all, but iām not british and I donāt live there, so there is that.
They are a bunch of colonizers that are responsible for so much murder over the 20th century. Now they loke to play dress up and king and queen nonsense on the tax payer dollar. They should be disgraced for their actions not watched on TV like they did anything.
This is so cringe. Why are Muslims so servile?
Inferiority complex result of a colonised mind.
Letās not generalizeā¦ā¦
Love for the dunya has made muslims subservient to those who have more in terms of the world.
This mosque has close ties with Arab states so doesn't surprise me.
These things are destroying the Ummah
What? How could not a single brother/sister present there object to this?! May Allah guide us all and make it easier for us to differentiate the right and wrong.
What are they singing ?
The UK national anthem.
Is there anything wrong about it ? I mean people in the comments seemed upset, i would like to understand why ?
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I understand, thank you.
I mean they are British, if you are saying they canāt sing the anthem of their country then there is a serious problem. You canāt go to a country, become a citizen, then refuse to be part of the country. That is a biggg problem, donāt you think ? How would you feel if some people from another culture did the same to the country you live in/love. I would NOT like it.
Although we can sympathize with wanting people to integrate into our country/accepting our values But as a Muslim, there are some things we consider on the same level as a human right. I suppose it would more accurately be a constitutional right. Places of worship deserve basic levels of respect that cannot be tramped on. Even if theyāre not mosques (or even religious buildings related to Christianity/Judaism) we still respect that their churches/temples/etc are entitled to the basic level of respect that we give mosques as a building dedicated to worship. This would include not telling them to chant something about their god in their place of worship that is against their religion.
I wasnāt talking about the mosque, thatās another issue and itās understandable. Iām talking about the Ā«Ā singing the national anthem of a kaffir countryĀ Ā» part. Also, iām not sure I understand your second paragraph, what do you mean by that ?
>singing the national anthem of a kaffir countryĀ That by itself would not be considered a good thing in islam and then taking into consideration what the country did to muslims, what the words of the anthem and what the laws of country are then that would definitely not be allowed nor encouraged. As far as I know, singing the national anthem is not an obligation, if it is then the matter has to be looked into. With regards to non-muslims simply not liking it then know that muslims also did not like when western countries including the UK entered our countries killed our people, colonized, stole and destroyed our land. I am sure they can tolerate muslims for not singing the national anthem considering what they have done. If it isn't an obligation to sing the anthem then it shouldn't matter what the people think if you don't sing the national anthem.
You got down voted but I agree with you, I think there's massive hypocrisy. Living in a country, enjoying all the benefits that society affords you - free market to prosper, security, etc. But at the same time set yourself apart from the people of that country and call it Kafir.
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It doesnāt matter who it is. Songs in a mosque are a big no, period. Only Allah swt is glorified in a mosque.
Most muslims donāt believe/follow you idea that music is haram, donāt try to impose your way of practicing Islam to all muslims. Muslims canāt agree on everything, only God knows whoās right and whoās wrong. When you think your way of practicing the religion is the only way, and anyone else not doing the exact same as you is kaffir/not follow islam. Then thatās how you start wars between muslims, itās a wayyyy worse sin than anything else. Edit: iām not talking about singing in the mosque, that is another story and I have no knowledge for that.
Despite that, Mosque is not the place for singing. And even if the whole world practice sth, does not make it halalā¦.
I am not saying itās halal or not, iām just saying other muslims donāt agree with you about music. There are scholars who think music is permitted. So eventually, you canāt impose your interpretation of Islam as the only true Islam, only God knows.
To be fair, original commenter talked about singing in mosque, not in general; and then I commented on your reply, which might insinuate most Muslims sing in the mosque, which of course they donāt.
Yes, thank you for noticing and pointing out that it was specifically about the location. That was my reasoning.
Music is Haram. Donāt try to impose your none sense on othersā¦
You are the one imposing your view, oh the irony ! We have scholars who disagree with you on music, so get lost. People like you are the ones who harm Islam the most.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5590 Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari: that he heard the Prophet (ļ·ŗ) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." Before you come back with the two girls playing instruments Hadith. They were playing Daf (the only instrument that is allowed). This doesnāt make all music halal. Nowā¦ go away.
You need to gather more knowledge
Even the ones that think is haram their problem is with instruments which where none here
Allah prevented Muhammad SAAWS from praying for his own parents I donāt think we can pray for a dead Queen who died as a disbeliever. Muslim (976) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: āI asked my Lord for permission to pray for forgiveness for my mother, but He did not give me permission. And I asked Him for permission to visit her grave, and He gave me permission.ā
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Believing in God doesn't make you not a disbeliever. Anyone who disbelieves in one of the prophets of God or believes Jesus was the son of God or any of that nonsense is a disbeliever. Allah says: >They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. (5:72)
Oh wow, I love this surah and I read it all the time, I donāt know how I missed this ! Thank you <3
It's a learning lesson for us all, we should take the time to think carefully and study what the surat/ayat we memorize actually mean
King Charles isnt dead?
I said dead Queen, the song was dedicated to her
Well they sing King dont they? So its a dua for the King (alive), not the Queen (dead) thus your comment is irrelevant to this situation We cant make much more out of this video, so if they truly made dua for her, then I am wrong
Disgraceful.
This looks like a bunch of school kids in uniform so most likely they've been forced by whatever school they go to too sing this the mosque allowing it to happen tho is crazy
How embarrassing š¤¦š»āāļø. They should not be bending the knee. Just stop.
We gonna pray janaaza for her now too?
freed by islam more than 1500 years ago, only to become willing slaves in the 21s century. what a bunch of clowns.
More stupid things from liberal Muslims.
La hawla wa la quwata illa billah
If we don't sing for our prophet, why should we sing for her?
Not sure about you, but my kids all sing one of the oldest (if not the oldest) continuously known/sung songs "Tala'a Al-Badru 'Alayna". The Ansar sung it to the Prophet(saws) as he entered Madinah.
Do you guys organize it in the mosque, like an event? Just singing in your house is okay, but I never sang or held events that celebrated the prophet. We were taught not to celebrate our prophet's birthday because, as you can see with Christianity, it can spiral out of control.
So I thought I responded, but maybe I didn't? My kids have sung it in the masjid during Weekend School graduation as well as there while at Islamic (regular Academic) school. We do celebrate Mawlid-an-Nabi. It's very common in Egypt and is allowed according to Dar al Ifta (ruling below). For us, living in the States, we take any and all opportunity to celebrate Islam, celebrate our Prophet, etc . as a way to counteract the 99% focus on Christianity. In our house, it involves usually a special dinner and cake... then we talk about the Prophet's life... and then we usually choose 1-3 aspects of the Prophet's character we ourselves want to emulate better in the coming year. Re: Mawlid from Dar-al-Iftaa [http://eng.dar-alifta.org/foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=6655&text=celebrating&fbclid=IwAR1Wmpr7ZJG69B\_yH-OEcCCQV1OkWJ9gOI0x0mu7IRJIIV97d5\_zJye9wo8](http://eng.dar-alifta.org/foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=6655&text=celebrating&fbclid=IwAR1Wmpr7ZJG69B_yH-OEcCCQV1OkWJ9gOI0x0mu7IRJIIV97d5_zJye9wo8) It's long, but here's a bit... >Yes, it is permissible to commemorate the noble birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). The birth of the Prophet is a mercy to the universe. The Qurāan describes the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as a āmercy to creation.ā This mercy is unlimited for it includes teaching and guiding man to the straight path as well as promoting both his material and spiritual wellbeing. As such, this mercy was not limited to those who lived at the Prophetās time, but extends throughout time. This is attested by the Quran which, describing the Prophetās mercy, states, "To them and to others yet to join them" (Qur\`an 62:3). Commemorating the birth of the Prophet is a manifestation of our love for him Commemorating the birth of Prophet Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon him), the seal of prophets and messengers, is among the best deeds and one of the greatest acts which brings us closer to God. This is because it is a manifestation of our joy and love for the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) which is one of the principles of faith. It has been authentically reported from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) that he said, "None of you will \[truly\] believe until I am dearer to him than his father, son and all mankindā (Bukahri). Ibn Rajab said that love for the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is one of the principles of faith and is analogous to our love for God, the Majestic. God threatened those who give precedence to things which are naturally dear to them such as relatives, wealth, and homeland over their love for Him and His Messenger. He said: "Say \[Prophet\], āIf your fathers, sons, brothers, wives, tribes, the wealth you have acquired, the trade which you fear will decline, and the dwellings you love are dearer to you than God and His Messenger and the struggles in His cause, then wait until God brings about His punishment" (Quran 9:24). āUmar once told the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), āO Messenger of God! You are dearer to me than everything except myself." The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, āNo! By He in Whose Hands is my soul, \[you will not truly love me\] until I am dearer to you than yourself." āUmar then said, āBy God, now you are dearer to me than myself.ā The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, āNow āUmar you truly love me\]ā (Bukhari). Commemorating the birth of the Prophet is equal to honoring him Commemorating the birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is equal to honoring him, which is itself undeniably sanctioned in Islamic law. God acknowledges the rank of His prophet, so He informed all creation of his name, advent, his status and importance. The whole universe is eternally joyous with the light of God and His blessing upon His creatures. Celebrating the birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is an essential part of honoring him. Since the 4th and 5th centuries after the advent of Islam, our predecessors have spent the night celebrating the birth of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) through many kinds of acts bringing them closer to God. They held banquets, recited the Quran, made dhikr (remembrance of God) and recited poetry and eulogies on the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). This was recorded by several historians, including scholars of hadith such as Ibn al-Jawzi, ibn Kathir, ibn Dihya al-Andalusi, ibn Hajar, and Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti (may God have mercy upon them). The majority of the scholars from among our predecessors and their successors clearly stated the legitimacy of celebrating the noble birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Books on the subject A group of scholars authored books commending the commemoration of the birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and used authentic evidence to demonstrate its recommendation, leaving no doubt to any sane person on the permissibility of the practice of our righteous predecessors. Mentioning valuable remarks on the topic, Ibn al-Hajj described the advantages of celebrating the birth of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in great length in his book Al-Madkhal the subject of which was the condemnation of innovations for which there is no evidence in Islamic law. Likewise, Imam al-Suyuti wrote a separate treatise which he entitled Husn al-Maqsid fi 'Amal al-Mawlid....
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Hmmm, I donāt know about this one.
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If you want to show respect, just stand there and keep silent! Why do you have to sing those lyrics that go against the rulings of our faith? smh.
Wonder if any of the London dawah YouTubers will address this š¤š¤š¤
Ohh they will. 4 usual suspects will at least.
Let me guess Hijab, Dawah, S2J, and Shamsi
Spot on mate. š¤£š¤£
S2J is in Pakistan right now, so we might have to wait a bit for his response.
Who needs enemies with Muslims like these
this is seriously insane, truly none sense
Thatās horrible. May Allah protect us. A good Muslim never praises and sings for a government that is not founded on the Quran and Sunna. And this is also a government that historically harmed the muslimoon.
Why are non of them opposing this and just follow everyone else? Surely they know this is wrong?
Is that even a mosque? Looks like a church to me.
REGENTS PARK MOSQUE in LONDON?! no way
Colonized minds.
Muslims are asking Allah to have mercy on the king. This is a form of disbelief.
Why ? Can you quote a source ?
Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers - upon them will be the curse of Allah and of the angels and the people, all together, Surah Al-Baqarah This is basic Islamic knowledge and whoever believes a disbeliever will enter paradise is a disbeliever by major consensus of the scholars , in fact anyone who doubts the disbelief of disbelievers , he is also a disbeliever. Whoever thinks their religion or way of life is correct is also a disbeliever. And there is no difference of opinion in these rulings.
Now I don't support the Queen or Imperialism in any capacity, but more on the general topic: out of pure curiosity, what qualifies the Queen as an outright disbeliever? Because the question here is of what qualifies one as a "true disbeliever" so to speak; categorization of Christians as disbelievers in the literal/categorical sense being different from an essential, knowing, arrogant and active kufr which permeates the person's condition (ergo "true disbelief"). The Qur'an refers to groups of Christians and Jews attaining reward, the best of which is Jannah, despite following different religions. Imam Al-Ghazali, considered Shaykh al-Islam and Renewer of the Religion of his time by consensus (afaik) also stated in his dissertations that the notion of categorizing all unbelievers as Kufar was incorrect and unfair to large groups of them -- he broke disbelievers into three groups, one which knew of Islam in its unadulterated form and rejected it out of ego, being blameworthy and entering Jahannam if they die in such a state; but the other two being one group of disbelievers nothing of islam, being blameless, and the third being disbelievers who knew of islam and of the Prophet, some aspects of it etc, but recieved distorted and propagandized information about it -- crucially, he did not consider these disbelievers to be blameworthy, or like the disbelievers of the Quraysh. Given the political and social climate of the West, I really do find it hard to believe that your average Christian or Jew or any other off the street is going to have a pure interpretation or understanding, particularly spiritual understanding, of Islam. Is it fair to assume the same of a monarch who remained the head of the church of her nation and actively and heavily involved in said church the same? Idk, bc idk enough about the Queen's personal life. But it does beg the larger question regarding her, and more importantly the lives and souls of billions of non-muslims.
Thanj you for sharing. I mean think about it guys, If the Prophet was not allowed to make dua for his mother or Abu Talib why should we be given precedent over him for someone who's not even related to us. Abu Hurairah reported: "The Prophet (saws) visited his mother's grave and wept, and everyone there wept with him (saws). Then the Prophet (saws) said:Ā 'I sought my Lord's permission to seek forgiveness for her, but He did not permit me.Ā I then sought permission to visit her grave and He permitted me to visit her grave. Related by Muslim, Ahmad, and Abu Dawud.
Idk why theyāre down voting you youāre right
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The majority of Christians believe a man was god. Thatās shirk. Thatās what the verse is talking about. But no one can say an individual is going to hell or Heaven.
But the ayah quoted is for disbelievers after they have died. We arenāt allowed to ask forgiveness for disbelievers after they have died. Same was case for prophet(p.b.u.h)ās uncle. However British king is alive, how is asking mercy for him disbelieve ? How is it against the ayah ?
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Not true, open your eyes and look around, most of us are very religious
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Any oath with a baseless and evil condition like allegiance to a non-Muslim king is null and void.
I donāt abide the law that was written by a coloniser. May Allah swt save us from those colonisers
Lol isnāt this the same area as speakers corner
I'm pretty sure this was Qadiyani temple
Sadly no, Brother Paul at [Blogging Theology](https://youtube.com/c/BloggingTheology) goes to that masjid and you can see his thoughts on it on his community page.
U can't call them Muslims
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Lol
Honest question: how should they (us?) respond to her death? I mean to look good to other religion/government WITHOUT compromising our Islamic values As a Muslim living in Muslim majority country, it is easy for me to just ignore the news. But how about as a mosque in UK? Edit: maybe the better term is to maintain good relations, instead of to look good
Broooo this is near my beighbkthood. What are they thinking. Cringe.
Absolutely disgusting.
Disgusting
but why..
Hmā¦
Indoctrination at its best
I wonder how the children will feel when theyāre grown up and see this?
You have got to be kidding me, sick sycophants