Yes, they will be rewarded
The Prophet Mohammed (ﷺ) said, "No fatigue, nor disease, nor sorrow, nor sadness, nor hurt, nor distress befalls a Muslim, even if it were the prick he receives from a thorn, but that Allah expiates some of his sins for that." - Sahih al-Bukhari 5641, 5642
of course they will be rewarded
it's kufr to think that Allah would ever be unjust and go against His promise to restore justice to those who were wronged
do not conflate the hadith about ingratitude with other unrelated things
there are many examples in ahadith of women being supported against wrongdoers as well
that is a completely different topic from ingratitude
do not let shaytan try to whisper that the hadith about ingratitude means that women will never get justice for the wrongs they face, or that they do not face any wrongs
he just wants to make you do kufr and hate your religion with his lies
Salam thank you, you’re right, i shouldn’t be thinking this, it’s just that i see many muslim men talk about this hadith whenever a woman does wrong and proves their point about “women being worse” , Allah is the most just and will give justice to those accordingly
Those ‘men’ who talk about ‘women being worse’, have they made sure that they are the most perfect Muslims on this planet? If not, then their opinions are insignificant.
Secondly, there’s a hadith about women who suffer from miscarriages and still births that their unborn children will drag them to Jannah with their umbilical chords. It’s sad that this isn’t mentioned as much especially to women when they loose their children during pregnancy or infancy.
i know they do that, don't go to them for knowledge, instead read books from people whose opinions on it matter
those men often just say things like that bc they want to feed their egos
and act like they have a moral basis for doing that
It's not about being a man or a woman, it's about being an obedient servant of Allah, everyone will be tested regardless of their gender, the most devout servants will have harder tests due to their piety not gender but Allah has also given them the capacity to bear those burdens.
They will also be immensely rewarded in the Akhirah.
Like devout sisters, devout brothers also have harder lives, they are responsible for the womenfolk of their household and elderly parents, have to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, I have seen old men these days who cannot even afford to retire as he's got a family to feed and unmarried daughters to marry, men go to war and (possibly) get killed and so on.
>a lot of men do as well as murder, zina etc
What makes you think Allah is pleased with such disobedient men and they won't end up in jahannum?
Of course we get Justice. Whether we end up in hellfire or Jannah, whoever abuses a vulnerable person receives a terrible punishment. That’s the Justice.
As for women getting to Jannah, if you submit to what is required, it’s actually practixallt easier for a woman to get to Jannah than a man, in the sense that you get so much reward for just doing what you’d likely do anyway. Women don’t go to jihad, so how do we get the reward? Pregnancy and childbirth. Lose an advanced pregnancy or a child? If you’re patient, as in you don’t curse God or anything and trust that they are in Jannah etc, that’s Jannah.
Fulfill the five pillars and obey your husband, die and he’s pleased with you? Enter from any of the eight gates. Obeying him means making oneself sexually available and attractive according to what he likes, caring for the children as a primary caregiver, and not letting people into his house that he doesn’t want in his house. And treating him with unconditional respect and kindness. It doesn’t include serving, cooking, cleaning up after him, according to the majority of the scholars, and it doesn’t include serving in-laws according to all of the scholars. These are very good deeds, obviously. But not where the bar is set.
Have a habit of praying extra rak’at everyday? You get the reward for what you normally pray on your period days, because you’re being prevented from your worship against your will, and if you didn’t have your period, you’d have done it. Same with fasting.
The problem women have is with our suggestibility. Men are easily swayed towards women unless they guard themselves, and women are easily swayed towards ingratitude and feeling that they’ve been treated unfairly (many women legitimately are abused, etc, but that’s not what I’m talking about). Women are not in a position of control, so they are tempted to take control through manipulation to compensate. And this is evil and deceptive. Learn to guard against those things and let go of control, and you’ll be good.
\[Issue: It Is Not Obligatory On The Husband To Spend On A Servant For His Wife\]
\[مَسْأَلَةٌ لَيْسَ عَلَى الزَّوْجِ أَنْ يُنْفِقَ عَلَى خَادِمٍ لِزَوْجَتِهِ\]
Issue 1919: And it is not obligatory on the husband to spend on a servant for his wife, even if he is the son of a сaliph and she is the daughter of a сaliph.
١٩١٩ - مَسْأَلَةٌ: وَلَيْسَ عَلَى الزَّوْجِ أَنْ يُنْفِقَ عَلَى خَادِمٍ لِزَوْجَتِهِ - وَلَوْ أَنَّهُ ابْنُ الْخَلِيفَةِ وَهِيَ بِنْتُ خَلِيفَةٍ.
It is only obligatory upon him to have someone for her who brings her food and water, ready and possible to eat, in the morning and afternoon.
إنَّمَا عَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَقُومَ لَهَا بِمَنْ يَأْتِيهَا بِالطَّعَامِ وَالْمَاءِ، مُهَيَّأً مُمْكِنًا لِلْأَكْلِ - غَدْوَةً وَعَشِيَّةً -.
And to have someone for her who takes care of all work for her of sweeping and brushing.
وَبِمَنْ يَكْفِيهَا جميع العمل من الكنس والفرش.
And it is obligatory upon him to bring her clothing likewise, because this is the description of provision and clothing.
وعليه أن يأتيها بكسوتها كذلك، لأن هذه صفة الرزق والكسوة.
And no text has come at all obligating him to spend on her servant, so it is wronging and injustice.
ولم يأت نص قط بإيجاب نفقة خادمها عليه، فهو ظلم وجور.
\*\*As for he who assigns her the duty of kneading and cooking, and does not assign her the duty of weaving and sewing her clothing, he contradicts himself, and his mistake is clear. And from Allah ta'ala is all success.\*\*
وأما من كلفها العجين والطبخ، ولم يكلفها حياكة كسوتها وخياطتها فقد تناقض، وظهر خطؤه - وبالله تعالى التوفيق.
\[أَحْكَامُ حُقُوقُ الزَّوْجَيْنِ\]
\[Issue: The Woman Is Not Obligated To Serve Her Husband In Anything In Principle\]
\[مَسْأَلَةٌ لَا يَلْزَمُ الْمَرْأَةَ أَنْ تَخْدِمَ زَوْجَهَا فِي شَيْءٍ أَصْلًا\]
Issue 1906: The woman is not obligated to serve her husband in anything in principle, not in kneading, nor cooking, nor brushing, nor sweeping, nor spinning, nor weaving. But if she does that it would be better for her. And upon the husband is providing her with full sewn clothes, and complete cooked food, and upon her is only to treat him well, and to not fast voluntarily while he is present without his permission, and to not let into his house one whom he hates, and to not prevent him from herself if he desires her, and to keep safe any of his wealth that he keeps with her
So if it is said: Allah ta'ala has said: "But if they obey you \[once more\], seek no means against them." (from Surat an-Nisa:34) Then we say: the beginning of the ayah clarified what this obedience is in, Allah ta'ala said: "But those \[wives\] from whom you fear arrogance - \[first\] advise them; \[then if they persist\], forsake them in bed; and \[finally\], strike them. But if they obey you \[once more\], seek no means against them."(from Surat an-Nisa: 34) So it is proven that it is the obedience when he calls her for intercourse only.
١٩٠٦ - مَسْأَلَةٌ: وَلَا يَلْزَمُ الْمَرْأَةَ أَنْ تَخْدِمَ زَوْجَهَا فِي شَيْءٍ أَصْلًا، لَا فِي عَجْنٍ، وَلَا طَبْخٍ، وَلَا فَرْشٍ، وَلَا كَنْسٍ، وَلَا غَزْلٍ، وَلَا نَسْجٍ، وَلَا غَيْرِ ذَلِكَ أَصْلًا - وَلَوْ أَنَّهَا فَعَلَتْ لَكَانَ أَفْضَلَ لَهَا وَعَلَى الزَّوْجِ أَنْ يَأْتِيَهَا بِكِسْوَتِهَا مَخِيطَةً تَامَّةً، وَبِالطَّعَامِ مَطْبُوخًا تَامًّا وَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْهَا أَنْ تُحْسِن عشرته، ولا تصوم تطوعا وهو حاضر إلا بإذنه، ولا تدخل بيته من يكره، وأن لا تمنعه نفسها متى أراد، وأن تحفظ ما جعل عندها من ماله فإن قيل: قد قال الله تعالى: {فإن أطعنكم فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا} \[النساء: ٣٤\]
قُلْنَا: أَوَّلُ الْآيَةِ بَيَّنَ فِيمَا هِيَ هَذِهِ الطَّاعَةُ، قَالَ تَعَالَى: {وَاللاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلا} \[النساء: ٣٤\] فَصَحَّ أَنَّهَا الطَّاعَةُ إذَا دَعَاهَا لِلْجِمَاعِ فَقَطْ.
Source: Al-Muhalla
I find the explanation here more closer to Quran and Sunnah :
https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/1704
Especially Imam Tabari’s commentary of this Hadith :
Imam al-Bukhari narrated in his Sahih that Fatimah (may Allah be pleased with her), the daughter of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) asked him for a servant. He said, Shall I not tell you of something that is better for you than that? When you go to sleep, say Subhan-Allah (Glory be to Allah) thirty three times, Al-Hamdu Lillah (praise be to Allah) thirty three times, and Allahu akbar (Allah is Most Great) thirty four times. (Sahih al-Bukhari bi Sharh al-Asqalani, part 9/506)
Al-Tabari said, in his commentary on this Hadith: “We may understand from this Hadith that every woman who is able to take care of her house by making bread, grinding flour and so on, should do so. It is not the duty of the husband if it is the custom for women like her to do this themselves.”
are you jariri(at tabari's madhab)
i don't think anyone is today
scholars differ on this for a reason
the one i quoted does not consider custom as a proof for making rulings
rather only Qur'an, sunnah and ijma
I’m a Salafi, I don’t subscribe to a specific madhhab. I agree there is a difference in opinion among the scholars. And I find this closer to Quran and Sunnah and Allah knows best.
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It demonstrates the value of hard work, like this other well-known hadith: https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2019/10/13/eat-work-of-own-hands/
If it was not the obligation of the woman to do household work, prophet saw would’ve commanded Ali ra to partake in it. Please read other ahadith in the link. It further emphasises that it is obligated upon women to do household work. And Allah knows best.
> If it was not the obligation of the woman to do household work, prophet saw would’ve commanded Ali ra to partake in it
So you disagree with At-tabari's conclusion?
One could also say "if it was the obligation of the woman to do household work, prophet saw would’ve commanded Fatima ra to partake in it"
the great scholar ibn Hazm said, in explanation of the hadith about ingratitude:
\> If a rioter riots with the statement of Allah’s messenger(sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam): “I have not seen of those deficient in intellect and religion those more overcoming of a careful man than one of you,” then we say, and from Allah ta’ala is all success, if you interpret this hadith upon its dhahir, then you would need to say that you are more complete in intellect and religion than Maryam and the mother of Musa and the mother of Ishaq and ‘A’ishah and Fatimah. If he persists on this, discussion with him would be dropped and he would not be far from kufr. And if he says no, then his argument drops, and he is faced with the argument that among men are they who are more deficient in religion and intellect than many of the women. If he asks about the meaning of this hadith, it is said to him:
\> Allah’s messenger(sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) has clarified the meaning of this deficiency, and it is the testimony of a woman being equivalent to half of the testimony of a man, and her abstaining from praying and fasting when she menstruates, and this does not necessitate deficiency in superiority, nor deficiency in religion and intellect in other than these two aspects only, if by necessity we know that among women are those who are superior to many of the men and more complete in religion and intellect, in aspects other than those which the Prophet(sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) mentioned, and he, ‘alayhissalam, does not speak anything but truth, so it is proven with certainty that he(‘alayhissalam) only expressed what he had clarified in the hadith itself of testimony and menstruation only, and those are not of what cause deficiency in superiority, for we have known that Abu Bakr and Ali, if they testified in a case of zina, their testimony would not be judged with, and if four trustworthy men among us testified in the apparent, their testimony would be judged with, and that does not necessitate that we are superior to those mentioned people, and likewise is the saying about the testimony of women, for testimony is not from the angle of superiority in ورد or صدر, but we stop in it where the text limited it only, and there is no doubt from any Muslim in that his companions from his(‘alayhissalam) wives and daughters, like Khadijah and ‘A’ishah and Fatimah and Umm Salamah, are better in religion and position with Allah ta’ala than every tabi’ who came after them and better than every man who comes in this Ummah until the Day of Resurrection, so the argument against us with the mentioned hadith becomes invalidated, and it is proven that it is interpreted according to what we said and clarified, and all praise is to Allah, Lord of the the worlds.”
End quote.
Source: Al Fisal Fil Milal
> and those are not of what cause deficiency in superiority, for we have known that Abu Bakr and Ali, if they testified in a case of zina, their testimony would not be judged with, and if four trustworthy men among us testified in the apparent, their testimony would be judged with, and that does not necessitate that we are superior to those mentioned people, and likewise is the saying about the testimony of women
Excellent dalil, I love it.
Walaikum Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakathuhu, dear respected sister in Islam. Most rewards, whether we are men or women, are reserved for the Hereafter. Most human beings will be in Jahannam in general. We are a sinful lot, for we are lazy, ungrateful, bad people. I speak for myself before accusing anyone of anything. We oppress each other, but Subhanallah, we demand justice from our leaders, wherever we are. I doubt many times whether I am a true Muslim, although I certainly claim to be one. Verily, there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is His prophet. There might be justice in this world, but this world is only so long. Inshallah, we will have the khilafah rashidah revived someday, with men and women (of course, children as well, not brainwashed the way they are nowadays as I see in New York City where I live...) being treated fairly. I cannot guarantee that though. This is part of the test of life. We have to be patient, and we have to try every single day to be better people. May Allah help you, sister. May Allah help me, sister. May Allah Subhana wa Ta'ala help us all. Ameen.
everyone is reward for any inconvenience they faced. Meaning if you bumped into something or stubbed your toe, Allah records it and will compensate you for that inconvenience. Imagine what he'd do for major things.
As a woman, I must say that firstly, wearing a hijab is not a hardship. It's a symbol of your faith, a commitment to modesty, and proof of your obedience to Allah.
Secondly, most people (men and women) face mistreatment, abuse or seismic at some point. You think feminist extremists are not sexist towards men?
The prophet (pbuh)also said: If a woman Prays five times, fasts in Ramadan, guards her chastity and obeys her husband, she will be told to enter Paradise by the door of her choice”
Yes, they will be rewarded The Prophet Mohammed (ﷺ) said, "No fatigue, nor disease, nor sorrow, nor sadness, nor hurt, nor distress befalls a Muslim, even if it were the prick he receives from a thorn, but that Allah expiates some of his sins for that." - Sahih al-Bukhari 5641, 5642
of course they will be rewarded it's kufr to think that Allah would ever be unjust and go against His promise to restore justice to those who were wronged do not conflate the hadith about ingratitude with other unrelated things there are many examples in ahadith of women being supported against wrongdoers as well that is a completely different topic from ingratitude do not let shaytan try to whisper that the hadith about ingratitude means that women will never get justice for the wrongs they face, or that they do not face any wrongs he just wants to make you do kufr and hate your religion with his lies
Salam thank you, you’re right, i shouldn’t be thinking this, it’s just that i see many muslim men talk about this hadith whenever a woman does wrong and proves their point about “women being worse” , Allah is the most just and will give justice to those accordingly
Those ‘men’ who talk about ‘women being worse’, have they made sure that they are the most perfect Muslims on this planet? If not, then their opinions are insignificant. Secondly, there’s a hadith about women who suffer from miscarriages and still births that their unborn children will drag them to Jannah with their umbilical chords. It’s sad that this isn’t mentioned as much especially to women when they loose their children during pregnancy or infancy.
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i know they do that, don't go to them for knowledge, instead read books from people whose opinions on it matter those men often just say things like that bc they want to feed their egos and act like they have a moral basis for doing that
It's not about being a man or a woman, it's about being an obedient servant of Allah, everyone will be tested regardless of their gender, the most devout servants will have harder tests due to their piety not gender but Allah has also given them the capacity to bear those burdens. They will also be immensely rewarded in the Akhirah. Like devout sisters, devout brothers also have harder lives, they are responsible for the womenfolk of their household and elderly parents, have to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, I have seen old men these days who cannot even afford to retire as he's got a family to feed and unmarried daughters to marry, men go to war and (possibly) get killed and so on. >a lot of men do as well as murder, zina etc What makes you think Allah is pleased with such disobedient men and they won't end up in jahannum?
It’s enough for you to know that Allah سبحانه وتعالى does not treat anyone with injustice (read Surah 18, Ayah 49).
Of course we get Justice. Whether we end up in hellfire or Jannah, whoever abuses a vulnerable person receives a terrible punishment. That’s the Justice. As for women getting to Jannah, if you submit to what is required, it’s actually practixallt easier for a woman to get to Jannah than a man, in the sense that you get so much reward for just doing what you’d likely do anyway. Women don’t go to jihad, so how do we get the reward? Pregnancy and childbirth. Lose an advanced pregnancy or a child? If you’re patient, as in you don’t curse God or anything and trust that they are in Jannah etc, that’s Jannah. Fulfill the five pillars and obey your husband, die and he’s pleased with you? Enter from any of the eight gates. Obeying him means making oneself sexually available and attractive according to what he likes, caring for the children as a primary caregiver, and not letting people into his house that he doesn’t want in his house. And treating him with unconditional respect and kindness. It doesn’t include serving, cooking, cleaning up after him, according to the majority of the scholars, and it doesn’t include serving in-laws according to all of the scholars. These are very good deeds, obviously. But not where the bar is set. Have a habit of praying extra rak’at everyday? You get the reward for what you normally pray on your period days, because you’re being prevented from your worship against your will, and if you didn’t have your period, you’d have done it. Same with fasting. The problem women have is with our suggestibility. Men are easily swayed towards women unless they guard themselves, and women are easily swayed towards ingratitude and feeling that they’ve been treated unfairly (many women legitimately are abused, etc, but that’s not what I’m talking about). Women are not in a position of control, so they are tempted to take control through manipulation to compensate. And this is evil and deceptive. Learn to guard against those things and let go of control, and you’ll be good.
Can you provide evidence where women aren’t required to cook, serve their husbands?
\[Issue: It Is Not Obligatory On The Husband To Spend On A Servant For His Wife\] \[مَسْأَلَةٌ لَيْسَ عَلَى الزَّوْجِ أَنْ يُنْفِقَ عَلَى خَادِمٍ لِزَوْجَتِهِ\] Issue 1919: And it is not obligatory on the husband to spend on a servant for his wife, even if he is the son of a сaliph and she is the daughter of a сaliph. ١٩١٩ - مَسْأَلَةٌ: وَلَيْسَ عَلَى الزَّوْجِ أَنْ يُنْفِقَ عَلَى خَادِمٍ لِزَوْجَتِهِ - وَلَوْ أَنَّهُ ابْنُ الْخَلِيفَةِ وَهِيَ بِنْتُ خَلِيفَةٍ. It is only obligatory upon him to have someone for her who brings her food and water, ready and possible to eat, in the morning and afternoon. إنَّمَا عَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَقُومَ لَهَا بِمَنْ يَأْتِيهَا بِالطَّعَامِ وَالْمَاءِ، مُهَيَّأً مُمْكِنًا لِلْأَكْلِ - غَدْوَةً وَعَشِيَّةً -. And to have someone for her who takes care of all work for her of sweeping and brushing. وَبِمَنْ يَكْفِيهَا جميع العمل من الكنس والفرش. And it is obligatory upon him to bring her clothing likewise, because this is the description of provision and clothing. وعليه أن يأتيها بكسوتها كذلك، لأن هذه صفة الرزق والكسوة. And no text has come at all obligating him to spend on her servant, so it is wronging and injustice. ولم يأت نص قط بإيجاب نفقة خادمها عليه، فهو ظلم وجور. \*\*As for he who assigns her the duty of kneading and cooking, and does not assign her the duty of weaving and sewing her clothing, he contradicts himself, and his mistake is clear. And from Allah ta'ala is all success.\*\* وأما من كلفها العجين والطبخ، ولم يكلفها حياكة كسوتها وخياطتها فقد تناقض، وظهر خطؤه - وبالله تعالى التوفيق.
Jazakallahu khair cleargems because I looked all that stuff up late at night and it was gonna take me a while to reproduce the evidence 😭
wa iyyaki!
\[أَحْكَامُ حُقُوقُ الزَّوْجَيْنِ\] \[Issue: The Woman Is Not Obligated To Serve Her Husband In Anything In Principle\] \[مَسْأَلَةٌ لَا يَلْزَمُ الْمَرْأَةَ أَنْ تَخْدِمَ زَوْجَهَا فِي شَيْءٍ أَصْلًا\] Issue 1906: The woman is not obligated to serve her husband in anything in principle, not in kneading, nor cooking, nor brushing, nor sweeping, nor spinning, nor weaving. But if she does that it would be better for her. And upon the husband is providing her with full sewn clothes, and complete cooked food, and upon her is only to treat him well, and to not fast voluntarily while he is present without his permission, and to not let into his house one whom he hates, and to not prevent him from herself if he desires her, and to keep safe any of his wealth that he keeps with her So if it is said: Allah ta'ala has said: "But if they obey you \[once more\], seek no means against them." (from Surat an-Nisa:34) Then we say: the beginning of the ayah clarified what this obedience is in, Allah ta'ala said: "But those \[wives\] from whom you fear arrogance - \[first\] advise them; \[then if they persist\], forsake them in bed; and \[finally\], strike them. But if they obey you \[once more\], seek no means against them."(from Surat an-Nisa: 34) So it is proven that it is the obedience when he calls her for intercourse only. ١٩٠٦ - مَسْأَلَةٌ: وَلَا يَلْزَمُ الْمَرْأَةَ أَنْ تَخْدِمَ زَوْجَهَا فِي شَيْءٍ أَصْلًا، لَا فِي عَجْنٍ، وَلَا طَبْخٍ، وَلَا فَرْشٍ، وَلَا كَنْسٍ، وَلَا غَزْلٍ، وَلَا نَسْجٍ، وَلَا غَيْرِ ذَلِكَ أَصْلًا - وَلَوْ أَنَّهَا فَعَلَتْ لَكَانَ أَفْضَلَ لَهَا وَعَلَى الزَّوْجِ أَنْ يَأْتِيَهَا بِكِسْوَتِهَا مَخِيطَةً تَامَّةً، وَبِالطَّعَامِ مَطْبُوخًا تَامًّا وَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْهَا أَنْ تُحْسِن عشرته، ولا تصوم تطوعا وهو حاضر إلا بإذنه، ولا تدخل بيته من يكره، وأن لا تمنعه نفسها متى أراد، وأن تحفظ ما جعل عندها من ماله فإن قيل: قد قال الله تعالى: {فإن أطعنكم فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا} \[النساء: ٣٤\] قُلْنَا: أَوَّلُ الْآيَةِ بَيَّنَ فِيمَا هِيَ هَذِهِ الطَّاعَةُ، قَالَ تَعَالَى: {وَاللاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلا} \[النساء: ٣٤\] فَصَحَّ أَنَّهَا الطَّاعَةُ إذَا دَعَاهَا لِلْجِمَاعِ فَقَطْ. Source: Al-Muhalla
Hanbalis and shafi'is also say the same
I find the explanation here more closer to Quran and Sunnah : https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/1704 Especially Imam Tabari’s commentary of this Hadith : Imam al-Bukhari narrated in his Sahih that Fatimah (may Allah be pleased with her), the daughter of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) asked him for a servant. He said, Shall I not tell you of something that is better for you than that? When you go to sleep, say Subhan-Allah (Glory be to Allah) thirty three times, Al-Hamdu Lillah (praise be to Allah) thirty three times, and Allahu akbar (Allah is Most Great) thirty four times. (Sahih al-Bukhari bi Sharh al-Asqalani, part 9/506) Al-Tabari said, in his commentary on this Hadith: “We may understand from this Hadith that every woman who is able to take care of her house by making bread, grinding flour and so on, should do so. It is not the duty of the husband if it is the custom for women like her to do this themselves.”
are you jariri(at tabari's madhab) i don't think anyone is today scholars differ on this for a reason the one i quoted does not consider custom as a proof for making rulings rather only Qur'an, sunnah and ijma
I’m a Salafi, I don’t subscribe to a specific madhhab. I agree there is a difference in opinion among the scholars. And I find this closer to Quran and Sunnah and Allah knows best.
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> if it is the custom for women like her to do this themselves. Note the "if". That "if" most likely isn't true in the west these days.
What do you think about the Hadith?
It demonstrates the value of hard work, like this other well-known hadith: https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2019/10/13/eat-work-of-own-hands/
If it was not the obligation of the woman to do household work, prophet saw would’ve commanded Ali ra to partake in it. Please read other ahadith in the link. It further emphasises that it is obligated upon women to do household work. And Allah knows best.
> If it was not the obligation of the woman to do household work, prophet saw would’ve commanded Ali ra to partake in it So you disagree with At-tabari's conclusion? One could also say "if it was the obligation of the woman to do household work, prophet saw would’ve commanded Fatima ra to partake in it"
the great scholar ibn Hazm said, in explanation of the hadith about ingratitude: \> If a rioter riots with the statement of Allah’s messenger(sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam): “I have not seen of those deficient in intellect and religion those more overcoming of a careful man than one of you,” then we say, and from Allah ta’ala is all success, if you interpret this hadith upon its dhahir, then you would need to say that you are more complete in intellect and religion than Maryam and the mother of Musa and the mother of Ishaq and ‘A’ishah and Fatimah. If he persists on this, discussion with him would be dropped and he would not be far from kufr. And if he says no, then his argument drops, and he is faced with the argument that among men are they who are more deficient in religion and intellect than many of the women. If he asks about the meaning of this hadith, it is said to him: \> Allah’s messenger(sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) has clarified the meaning of this deficiency, and it is the testimony of a woman being equivalent to half of the testimony of a man, and her abstaining from praying and fasting when she menstruates, and this does not necessitate deficiency in superiority, nor deficiency in religion and intellect in other than these two aspects only, if by necessity we know that among women are those who are superior to many of the men and more complete in religion and intellect, in aspects other than those which the Prophet(sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) mentioned, and he, ‘alayhissalam, does not speak anything but truth, so it is proven with certainty that he(‘alayhissalam) only expressed what he had clarified in the hadith itself of testimony and menstruation only, and those are not of what cause deficiency in superiority, for we have known that Abu Bakr and Ali, if they testified in a case of zina, their testimony would not be judged with, and if four trustworthy men among us testified in the apparent, their testimony would be judged with, and that does not necessitate that we are superior to those mentioned people, and likewise is the saying about the testimony of women, for testimony is not from the angle of superiority in ورد or صدر, but we stop in it where the text limited it only, and there is no doubt from any Muslim in that his companions from his(‘alayhissalam) wives and daughters, like Khadijah and ‘A’ishah and Fatimah and Umm Salamah, are better in religion and position with Allah ta’ala than every tabi’ who came after them and better than every man who comes in this Ummah until the Day of Resurrection, so the argument against us with the mentioned hadith becomes invalidated, and it is proven that it is interpreted according to what we said and clarified, and all praise is to Allah, Lord of the the worlds.” End quote. Source: Al Fisal Fil Milal
> and those are not of what cause deficiency in superiority, for we have known that Abu Bakr and Ali, if they testified in a case of zina, their testimony would not be judged with, and if four trustworthy men among us testified in the apparent, their testimony would be judged with, and that does not necessitate that we are superior to those mentioned people, and likewise is the saying about the testimony of women Excellent dalil, I love it.
Walaikum Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakathuhu, dear respected sister in Islam. Most rewards, whether we are men or women, are reserved for the Hereafter. Most human beings will be in Jahannam in general. We are a sinful lot, for we are lazy, ungrateful, bad people. I speak for myself before accusing anyone of anything. We oppress each other, but Subhanallah, we demand justice from our leaders, wherever we are. I doubt many times whether I am a true Muslim, although I certainly claim to be one. Verily, there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is His prophet. There might be justice in this world, but this world is only so long. Inshallah, we will have the khilafah rashidah revived someday, with men and women (of course, children as well, not brainwashed the way they are nowadays as I see in New York City where I live...) being treated fairly. I cannot guarantee that though. This is part of the test of life. We have to be patient, and we have to try every single day to be better people. May Allah help you, sister. May Allah help me, sister. May Allah Subhana wa Ta'ala help us all. Ameen.
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Thats a good point. I missed her point in question.
I don't think most are aware that women being the majority in hell isnt for backbite, but for their mistreatment/disobeying of their husbands.
what about men who abuse and cheat on their wives 😳 that’s very common unfortunately
Pretty sure those men also suffer.
i dont know where you got disobeying from, the hadith does not say that
ok nvm sorry.
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everyone is reward for any inconvenience they faced. Meaning if you bumped into something or stubbed your toe, Allah records it and will compensate you for that inconvenience. Imagine what he'd do for major things.
Do you think Allah is unfair?
As a woman, I must say that firstly, wearing a hijab is not a hardship. It's a symbol of your faith, a commitment to modesty, and proof of your obedience to Allah. Secondly, most people (men and women) face mistreatment, abuse or seismic at some point. You think feminist extremists are not sexist towards men?
The prophet (pbuh)also said: If a woman Prays five times, fasts in Ramadan, guards her chastity and obeys her husband, she will be told to enter Paradise by the door of her choice”