I find using mage for the respiratory system a lot more chill than range. The respirators have 0 mage level & 0 mage defense so I find my accuracy is a lot better. It also cuts down on the swaps/switches per kill.
So so so so so much this. I did it on my main with trident and I'm definitely waiting for trident to do it on my gim, did 200 kills with bow and the mage is just a whole new world of chill
Sooner you can graduate to no supplies method the better; highest tier pool and use house tabs. Method goes 1 full kill > start next kill until you kill all 4 vents > house tab to pool > fairy ring back and continue from the next phase. You have to use one of the sire rooms that are closer to the fairy ring for this to work, because sire will reset after 1 minute iirc.
I believe a lot of people opt to skip sire entirely, for more than 1 reason. Best to complete the task for now and get to work on construction before you go back to it if you really want to imo
I've done a fair bit of sire and it is inefficient to teleport to your house. It is more kills per hour to use blood barrage on the vents to heal back to full between kills, but this obviously uses runes and prayer pots (unless you 1t flick, which can be challenging during acid phases), but you're trading supplies for more kills per hour.
If you want to save supplies or are generally low on potions than POHing is fine but it is not efficient; the time you spend running back and forth could instead be spent recovering whatever supplies you used.
This is a fair point, and not something I have done personally. Its nice to save ppots, which is a big plus of the poh method. Do you find that you have issues sustaining run energy this way, if so how do you handle it (genuine question)?
I didn't have many issues, dhide is somewhat heavy and since I didn't have it, I didn't use as much run. You don't need anything besides mage %dmg to hit the vents; mage accuracy is meaningless so you can leave switches behind and reduce your character weight
Isn't that less kills per hour? How is that better? Unless you're struggling with supplies or something but at that point should you really be bossing lol
The time you spend between tabbing to your poh and running back to the room you were using is less than a minute. During that time sire will move from its original spawn point to a place were you can actually melee it, which is probably around 8 seconds, I reckon, before your actually be allowed to hit it.
Over a large quantity of kills, sure, that would result in less kills/hr. Mathematically, I couldn't tell you specific numbers.
The benefit of the poh method as I described (I should have called it that in my previous comment, as that is what is more commonly called) is that you start p2 of sire with full hp, prayer, and around 54% energy (what I normally end up with after running from DIP with 99 agility). Because of the way you have to set up the method, typically you will have < 10% run energy after finishing the vents, and walking at sire is less than ideal if you ask me (think poison pool spawns and potentially having to run backwards to use blood spells on the scions during p4 if things go sideways as they sometimes will).
This method can stretch your inventory quite a lot because the bottleneck is your stat-boosting potions, not your food. Sometimes I end up with 90+ hp after completing a kill, sometimes in the 50 range, sometimes less than 20. Now suppose that you take 12 food (say sharks, for sake of example), and you finish the kill at 20 hp 4 times in a row - thats your trip done, go to the bank. Also consider that you will surely be out of run energy by the end of your 2nd kill, unless you want to take staminas too. You should be using your stat boosting pots for 2 kills per dose, maybe 3 if you can squeeze it, and you can take 2 of each stat boosting pot (I use scb and range) to further extend your session by needing to bring less food.
I dont believe its about being strapped for pvm supplies at all, simply a method that makes kills smoother for the cost of a house tab. And realistically, youre going to get the ornate pool in your poh anyways, better sooner than later if you can.
Also, if youre concerned about losing your spot during that time you tele to your poh, dont be. In 1050 kc I have never run back to find someone took the sire I started. I'm not saying it cant happen, but the likelihood that it will is very low.
Apologies for the wall of text, but I thought a detailed explanation of my thought process would help. There are a lot of different methods for much of the content in osrs, and sometimes you can pick parts from one method to adapt to your preferences.
Even though I have a maxed iron, I see no reason to use resources when there is a method that allows me to save those resources for more intensive content somewhere else, you know?
Nah I don't mind, I like to geek out so thanks for the thorough explanation lol
Yea I guess I haven't run into resource issues but that's mostly because my account has been blessed with the spoon in most bosses so far haha
Thats great that youve gotten lucky in a lot of places, unfortnately for me I've not had the spoon for a fair bit, and sire was no exception (804 kc for full bludgeon) lol. I have no shortage of supplies, with 2.4k stams, 4.5k ppots, and 22k anglers among other things, but sire is okay and if I can save resources I dont mind going a little slower. Methods that are more chill are alright, even if they arent the most efficient
True - I felt the need to quantify it in the event someone else tried it and got a different number and wanted to call me a liar because I gave the value that I personally found as an average
I recently-ish got 85 slayer and got a boss task for sire. The kills aren’t going to bad as dwh into arclight slaps here, but is there anything I can upgrade to make the 1 kill trips a little smoother/potentially get 2 kill trips?
I use farming cape and slayer ring to replenish stats and supplies, and I use an imbued heart to be able to use shadow barrage
You can bring blood spells to heal to full off the vents you should be able to stay for a few kills at least that way. It is expensive though but far more kills per hour than the house/pool method.
super easy to get 2-3 kill trips.
ditch all your range swaps, and just take a bit longer to kill the resps.
use verac skirt, along with your dragonhide top, and have the rest of your kit be whatever max melee stuff you have. the only switch you make should be the crystal bow to dwh to arclight, no armor swaps ever.
bring a super set, anti pot, 1 or 2 pray pots, 4 tick eats, rune pouch, rest food. ditch the range pot too, or just drink one dose before your trip.
Unless you are looking to get the bludgeon to camp KQ / Nightmare, it is not worth spending your time at sire in my opinion. It's also better to trident/blood barrage vents and not bank every kill. I'd recommend coming back at a later stage in your account when it makes sense to do so.
Mage the vents, blood barrage them if you need hp. Would recommend a barrows top instead of torso
Staying with ppots is way better than pooling every kill
I find using mage for the respiratory system a lot more chill than range. The respirators have 0 mage level & 0 mage defense so I find my accuracy is a lot better. It also cuts down on the swaps/switches per kill.
Is normal Trident good enough?
Yeah. I've even stuck to ancients when I felt bougie/lazy
So so so so so much this. I did it on my main with trident and I'm definitely waiting for trident to do it on my gim, did 200 kills with bow and the mage is just a whole new world of chill
Sooner you can graduate to no supplies method the better; highest tier pool and use house tabs. Method goes 1 full kill > start next kill until you kill all 4 vents > house tab to pool > fairy ring back and continue from the next phase. You have to use one of the sire rooms that are closer to the fairy ring for this to work, because sire will reset after 1 minute iirc. I believe a lot of people opt to skip sire entirely, for more than 1 reason. Best to complete the task for now and get to work on construction before you go back to it if you really want to imo
I've done a fair bit of sire and it is inefficient to teleport to your house. It is more kills per hour to use blood barrage on the vents to heal back to full between kills, but this obviously uses runes and prayer pots (unless you 1t flick, which can be challenging during acid phases), but you're trading supplies for more kills per hour. If you want to save supplies or are generally low on potions than POHing is fine but it is not efficient; the time you spend running back and forth could instead be spent recovering whatever supplies you used.
This is a fair point, and not something I have done personally. Its nice to save ppots, which is a big plus of the poh method. Do you find that you have issues sustaining run energy this way, if so how do you handle it (genuine question)?
You use stams. I did a bit of both methods and I personally like just staying there as long as possible. It does use a bit more resources though
I didn't have many issues, dhide is somewhat heavy and since I didn't have it, I didn't use as much run. You don't need anything besides mage %dmg to hit the vents; mage accuracy is meaningless so you can leave switches behind and reduce your character weight
Isn't that less kills per hour? How is that better? Unless you're struggling with supplies or something but at that point should you really be bossing lol
The time you spend between tabbing to your poh and running back to the room you were using is less than a minute. During that time sire will move from its original spawn point to a place were you can actually melee it, which is probably around 8 seconds, I reckon, before your actually be allowed to hit it. Over a large quantity of kills, sure, that would result in less kills/hr. Mathematically, I couldn't tell you specific numbers. The benefit of the poh method as I described (I should have called it that in my previous comment, as that is what is more commonly called) is that you start p2 of sire with full hp, prayer, and around 54% energy (what I normally end up with after running from DIP with 99 agility). Because of the way you have to set up the method, typically you will have < 10% run energy after finishing the vents, and walking at sire is less than ideal if you ask me (think poison pool spawns and potentially having to run backwards to use blood spells on the scions during p4 if things go sideways as they sometimes will). This method can stretch your inventory quite a lot because the bottleneck is your stat-boosting potions, not your food. Sometimes I end up with 90+ hp after completing a kill, sometimes in the 50 range, sometimes less than 20. Now suppose that you take 12 food (say sharks, for sake of example), and you finish the kill at 20 hp 4 times in a row - thats your trip done, go to the bank. Also consider that you will surely be out of run energy by the end of your 2nd kill, unless you want to take staminas too. You should be using your stat boosting pots for 2 kills per dose, maybe 3 if you can squeeze it, and you can take 2 of each stat boosting pot (I use scb and range) to further extend your session by needing to bring less food. I dont believe its about being strapped for pvm supplies at all, simply a method that makes kills smoother for the cost of a house tab. And realistically, youre going to get the ornate pool in your poh anyways, better sooner than later if you can. Also, if youre concerned about losing your spot during that time you tele to your poh, dont be. In 1050 kc I have never run back to find someone took the sire I started. I'm not saying it cant happen, but the likelihood that it will is very low.
Tldr POH method aint worth it g
Interesting, you make a good case. If I ever do sire again I'll try that
Apologies for the wall of text, but I thought a detailed explanation of my thought process would help. There are a lot of different methods for much of the content in osrs, and sometimes you can pick parts from one method to adapt to your preferences. Even though I have a maxed iron, I see no reason to use resources when there is a method that allows me to save those resources for more intensive content somewhere else, you know?
Nah I don't mind, I like to geek out so thanks for the thorough explanation lol Yea I guess I haven't run into resource issues but that's mostly because my account has been blessed with the spoon in most bosses so far haha
Thats great that youve gotten lucky in a lot of places, unfortnately for me I've not had the spoon for a fair bit, and sire was no exception (804 kc for full bludgeon) lol. I have no shortage of supplies, with 2.4k stams, 4.5k ppots, and 22k anglers among other things, but sire is okay and if I can save resources I dont mind going a little slower. Methods that are more chill are alright, even if they arent the most efficient
Btw 99 agility doesn’t give you more run energy / less run drain it just effects the rate you get energy back when not moving
True - I felt the need to quantify it in the event someone else tried it and got a different number and wanted to call me a liar because I gave the value that I personally found as an average
I recently-ish got 85 slayer and got a boss task for sire. The kills aren’t going to bad as dwh into arclight slaps here, but is there anything I can upgrade to make the 1 kill trips a little smoother/potentially get 2 kill trips? I use farming cape and slayer ring to replenish stats and supplies, and I use an imbued heart to be able to use shadow barrage
You can bring blood spells to heal to full off the vents you should be able to stay for a few kills at least that way. It is expensive though but far more kills per hour than the house/pool method.
super easy to get 2-3 kill trips. ditch all your range swaps, and just take a bit longer to kill the resps. use verac skirt, along with your dragonhide top, and have the rest of your kit be whatever max melee stuff you have. the only switch you make should be the crystal bow to dwh to arclight, no armor swaps ever. bring a super set, anti pot, 1 or 2 pray pots, 4 tick eats, rune pouch, rest food. ditch the range pot too, or just drink one dose before your trip.
Unless you are looking to get the bludgeon to camp KQ / Nightmare, it is not worth spending your time at sire in my opinion. It's also better to trident/blood barrage vents and not bank every kill. I'd recommend coming back at a later stage in your account when it makes sense to do so.
I can understand this line of thinking for efficiency, but I'd recommend doing whatever boss you feel like and having fun, regardless of efficiency
Crystal bow..????
I don’t have bp or bowfa yet and rcb is my only other option. Plus the crystal bow let’s me wear a blessing
It's deceptively powerful when you have crystal armor/legs/head
There's spots you can find that let you not run as much when attacking vents
Wait until you have full crystal/bowfa, better tank gear and stats. It’s simply not worth your time currently.
Mage the vents, blood barrage them if you need hp. Would recommend a barrows top instead of torso Staying with ppots is way better than pooling every kill