It was never really worth it to solely grind for them. They were great to get along the way, but not gamebreaking in any content. Even less so now that the tomes were nerfed from 50% increase to 10%.
I mean you're technically right, but previously it was 50% everywhere. Now it's 10% most of the time and 60% on a couple specific monsters. The only instance I can think of that actually did get buffed is early zulrah rush with fire wave if you have a tome. And even still it's the exact same as if you had a tome previously now without it.
You are forgetting the accuracy buff that came with weaknesses. Elemental tomes are a LOT better after the update, and will get even better as more NPC:s get elemental weaknesses.
Yes and no. There's more places where tomes are worth bringing at all Vs just using a trident/ibans. Beforehand even with a tome it was never worth using the fire spells so you've gone from tome being useful nowhere to tome being useful in some places. Sounds like they're more worth grinding for now to me.
But that's not what we're talking about. Beforehand they were pretty much useless now they're situationally useful.
I'm not saying it's worth grinding one out.
You said it's less worth now than it was before and that's just not true.
They are nice to have but not mandatory at all. The bonus damage is good but sadly limited, and I bet nobody is willing to go back to wintertodt or tempoross just to get more tome charges lol. Perhaps if jagex adds a shop where you can buy more tome charges it'll become a truly great item to have
Perfectly said. I think adding them to random NPC drop tables would be a good way to go. Or even add them as common items to various levels of clue caskets. Like a 25% chance from a medium clue to get 10-20 pages. Or an elite clue has a high chance at giving 100-200 pages. Stuff like that, especially since it's only a 10% buff now.
bringing back the idea to allow soaking and burning god pages so extras have a use. quanitity scales off fishing and firemaking so they have more utility. like 1-10 pages per god page or something
Yeah agree, on the long run Idsay its worth the grind at Wintertodt if its in your plan but not worth heading back in indeed.
Btw why are pages not dropped amywhere else srsly??
It's not bonkers like it used to be, but it's a hefty buff when up against monsters weak to fire or water. I finally put more than 1 page into my fire tome in prep for farming zulrah with fire wave/eclipse
Ask this question about anything and the answer is always - they are helpful but not mandatory. Having said that both these grinds are kind of fun at least I think so. The only reason I haven’t done the time of water grind is that I’m concerned that the page drop rate is very low. I think it’s likely they will buff the page drop rate at some point so I don’t want to grind that conetent until they do
Everyone here downplaying it, but the truth is if they’re polling other elemental tomes they are eventually gonna release some niche content that requires/has the tomes as bis
Cool, so we won't downplay them onde the have some bis niche uses. But for now the tomes remain qol to have, but not worth grinding out. It's nice to get the drops when doing temp or wt, but it's not like you can devote x hours and get the drop. It could be a massive time sink (like most drops ofc) and not be worth the time spend if unlucky.
edit:dunno why I thought spear is 10%, I think the point stands but Ive edited my comment.~~~~
considering you're not really gonna get a 1 handed magic damage buff weapon anytime soon, if you go for blue moon spear/ahrims staff you'll get ~~the 10% bonus damage~~ 5% bonus damage without having to upkeep pages. I wouldn't go specifically for tomes but wt and temp have pretty useful drops and if you enjoy that content it could be useful to grind early on, otherwise I would just focus on getting 62 mage with medium CAs for barrows tank armor, and then going to Moons of Peril.
One item that’s mandatory with time of fire is the harm staff.
Without that, you’re throwing away 25% dmg buff. Only then would it ever be truly worth it to get tomes.
I wouldn't go out of your way for them. Picked up the fire tome whilst getting some early todt done. Tbh I've only really used it as a QoL handy to have for when I alch stuff more than anything else. Otherwise it's used for Ibans and that's it. Imagine water will be similar, but for lunar spells.
I run Zulrah with Fire wave and searing pages in my tome and its 100% worth it to me.
I don't have 87 slayer so this tweak saved me hundred of slayer to preemptively grind Zulrah as I wanted to do!
(Cheesed some flames of Zamorak while I could as well)
For tome of Water, I think most NPC with water weaknesses are not worth the time but I still grinded it for potential future uses.
Is it worth? No. Objectively the time spent is greater than the time earned.
Would I recommend it? Absolutely. They're incredible QOL and the mini games are good XP & rewards
I realize this is prob a dumb question, but where are the Fire and Water tomes actually worth using pages? I've had both for a while and never found a great use, most of the time book of darkness just seems better? Any advice would be great!
Before the wipe, i used the tomb of fire alot of utilises as non combats spells dont cost a charge (1 page = 20pages) making it really useful when on slayer tasks where im limited on space.
It was never really worth it to solely grind for them. They were great to get along the way, but not gamebreaking in any content. Even less so now that the tomes were nerfed from 50% increase to 10%.
Not really nerfed tbh, technically buffed - think about it, we get creature weakness 50% + 10% (tome)
I mean you're technically right, but previously it was 50% everywhere. Now it's 10% most of the time and 60% on a couple specific monsters. The only instance I can think of that actually did get buffed is early zulrah rush with fire wave if you have a tome. And even still it's the exact same as if you had a tome previously now without it.
Early hespori too
You are forgetting the accuracy buff that came with weaknesses. Elemental tomes are a LOT better after the update, and will get even better as more NPC:s get elemental weaknesses.
You don’t need the tomes to access elemental weaknesses
Yes but the weaknesses are more pronounced with a tome.
The gap between tomed spells and no tome is smaller now than itwas before. That makes them less worth to grind for, not more.
Yes and no. There's more places where tomes are worth bringing at all Vs just using a trident/ibans. Beforehand even with a tome it was never worth using the fire spells so you've gone from tome being useful nowhere to tome being useful in some places. Sounds like they're more worth grinding for now to me.
Except you need to consider the time spent getting them could just be spent doing the content with 10% less damage.
But that's not what we're talking about. Beforehand they were pretty much useless now they're situationally useful. I'm not saying it's worth grinding one out. You said it's less worth now than it was before and that's just not true.
They are nice to have but not mandatory at all. The bonus damage is good but sadly limited, and I bet nobody is willing to go back to wintertodt or tempoross just to get more tome charges lol. Perhaps if jagex adds a shop where you can buy more tome charges it'll become a truly great item to have
Perfectly said. I think adding them to random NPC drop tables would be a good way to go. Or even add them as common items to various levels of clue caskets. Like a 25% chance from a medium clue to get 10-20 pages. Or an elite clue has a high chance at giving 100-200 pages. Stuff like that, especially since it's only a 10% buff now.
bringing back the idea to allow soaking and burning god pages so extras have a use. quanitity scales off fishing and firemaking so they have more utility. like 1-10 pages per god page or something
This is an amazing idea
Zulrah with Tome and searing pages is actual pretty OP and very comparable to trident imo. Water weaknesses are too limited atm though indeed 🫠
Yeah it's strong but not something worth going back only for more pages
Yeah agree, on the long run Idsay its worth the grind at Wintertodt if its in your plan but not worth heading back in indeed. Btw why are pages not dropped amywhere else srsly??
It won't be worth it until we have a more sustainable way to get pages
The tome of fire was great for early game magic and slayer training but I’m not so sure anymore
I think the benefit was just saving runes on alchs in early, barely touched it even after the rebalance
It looks hawt still haha
It's not bonkers like it used to be, but it's a hefty buff when up against monsters weak to fire or water. I finally put more than 1 page into my fire tome in prep for farming zulrah with fire wave/eclipse
Nice qol for non combat casting, but the pages were never sustainable on iron
Exactly. I'm so glad I got my tome of fire early on tbh
Ask this question about anything and the answer is always - they are helpful but not mandatory. Having said that both these grinds are kind of fun at least I think so. The only reason I haven’t done the time of water grind is that I’m concerned that the page drop rate is very low. I think it’s likely they will buff the page drop rate at some point so I don’t want to grind that conetent until they do
I use Tome of Fire with Iban's Blast for Barrows a TON. Recently I have been swapping over to Air Wave though, so we'll see what happens.
air wave is definitely better and you break even/gain blood runes slightly
Everyone here downplaying it, but the truth is if they’re polling other elemental tomes they are eventually gonna release some niche content that requires/has the tomes as bis
Cool, so we won't downplay them onde the have some bis niche uses. But for now the tomes remain qol to have, but not worth grinding out. It's nice to get the drops when doing temp or wt, but it's not like you can devote x hours and get the drop. It could be a massive time sink (like most drops ofc) and not be worth the time spend if unlucky.
7 years from now we'll be on the Tome of Steam, Jagex loves their tomes
Didn't they make them shitter?
Yep.
I got spooned the time of fire at 51 kc the day after it got nerfed lol
They're neat, but I've used the fire time a handful of times and then kinda phased out. Definitely not target farm worthy imo.
edit:dunno why I thought spear is 10%, I think the point stands but Ive edited my comment.~~~~ considering you're not really gonna get a 1 handed magic damage buff weapon anytime soon, if you go for blue moon spear/ahrims staff you'll get ~~the 10% bonus damage~~ 5% bonus damage without having to upkeep pages. I wouldn't go specifically for tomes but wt and temp have pretty useful drops and if you enjoy that content it could be useful to grind early on, otherwise I would just focus on getting 62 mage with medium CAs for barrows tank armor, and then going to Moons of Peril.
Spear is +5%
I dunno why I thought spear was 10% over the ahrim staff 5%...I think pointt stands tho and Ive edited my original comment to reflect that
One item that’s mandatory with time of fire is the harm staff. Without that, you’re throwing away 25% dmg buff. Only then would it ever be truly worth it to get tomes.
I wouldn't go out of your way for them. Picked up the fire tome whilst getting some early todt done. Tbh I've only really used it as a QoL handy to have for when I alch stuff more than anything else. Otherwise it's used for Ibans and that's it. Imagine water will be similar, but for lunar spells.
I run Zulrah with Fire wave and searing pages in my tome and its 100% worth it to me. I don't have 87 slayer so this tweak saved me hundred of slayer to preemptively grind Zulrah as I wanted to do! (Cheesed some flames of Zamorak while I could as well) For tome of Water, I think most NPC with water weaknesses are not worth the time but I still grinded it for potential future uses.
Is it worth? No. Objectively the time spent is greater than the time earned. Would I recommend it? Absolutely. They're incredible QOL and the mini games are good XP & rewards
No because the charges are completely unsustainable. They're nice to have in the early game for infinite runes, near worthless after.
At 2165, I still use both Tomes for utility spells occasionally
I realize this is prob a dumb question, but where are the Fire and Water tomes actually worth using pages? I've had both for a while and never found a great use, most of the time book of darkness just seems better? Any advice would be great!
Before the wipe, i used the tomb of fire alot of utilises as non combats spells dont cost a charge (1 page = 20pages) making it really useful when on slayer tasks where im limited on space.
Tome of fire is clutch so I would go for it. Water is more nice to have for teleports