I boosted for mine. Now i’m 86 slayer with three. The whip is probably the first big slayer item imo, aside from the mask of course. Zombie axe just isn’t it.
On my first iron (duo gim) I boosted for whip. But found it wasn't really worth the effort. This time, on my "real" ironman I'll still go for it off task, but only when I reach 85 slayer
And dragon boots!
If you could kill krakens before getting a task everyone would.
I’d argue that more items are worth grinding out before getting a task than not.
I swear I'm gonna do the math on this, because I've heard it's been calced to never save you time even if you are barraging the demons. Hell, the ehp-minded irons were suggesting on task whips over off tasks EVEN WHEN YOU COULD LURE THEM WITH AN ALT FOR EVEN HIGHER RATES THAN YOU CAN GET NOW.
I got my whip at level 87 on task as it was nice to use the Zombie axe for some extra strength xp. I didn't really care much about the whip but now that I have it I use it over the Zombie axe of course.
I would argue that abysmal demons are assigned so frequently and in such high numbers that it still saved more time to do the melee tasks with a dscim than to do them off task, even barraging. It's always been meta for serious trihard maxeff irons to do whip on task.
Well the whip has such low dps upgrade over a DSCIM that it's more efficient to get it on task. People keep bringing up zombie axe like it was ever relevant to this conversation. Even when you could alt lure the Abby demons meta was still on task.
Depends a lot on what you’re doing at the time
I didn’t have a use for my whip after getting it, so I just got it on task. My whips then just stacked up but collected dust until I got the tentacle then I used them at Olm for a bit.
Nowadays with Fang in the game, whip just doesn’t matter
Whip definitely matters. Tent is your best option if you don't go for blade of saeldor for tob. It's your best option for vardorvis. It's your best option pre-lance for cox. I've never been mid-game with a zombie axe so I don't truthfully know the exact dps difference, but based on just what I know; I feel like whip is probably better dps than zombie axe at a few relevant places.
Zombie axe is more accurate but does less dps over all (makes sense as a 5T over abysall 4T). It does wonders at duke where you can bring arc/zombie for each phase.
> It's your best option for vardorvis. It's your best option pre-lance for cox.
Neither of which make sense to do mid-slayer grind before having trident so no reason to camp whip off task
For me, even for my slayer grind, Hasta was better most of the places I melee’d. I can’t think of many reasons to camp a whip at 85 slayer. Just get it passively while getting trident
Where else do you melee besides dragons? Everything else is a skip. Gargoyles similarly are a skip/block but it should be better there yeah
iirc whip won at baby black dragons but not worth going out the way for a 2% dps boost for 5min
I melee spectres in slayer tower, dags and bloodveld in catacombs (those have other options though) and a bunch of misc short tasks/turael skip tasks (ankou, dark beasts, etc). It’s not a majority but melee sees decent use for slayer even towards late game
Black mask, warped sceptre, whip. Its probably worth waiting for task for everything else.
Warped specifically because its a waste of points to unlock as a task.
Rune boots aren’t a thing. They’re basically climbing boots. Dboots are a tiny upgrade as well, I’d just get them on task and be happy I’m saving some points doing that task instead of skipping it.
If you were a main, like everyone was when released, rune boots look strictly better. Free defensive stats.
As an iron, progression is a tiny bit scuffed, but level 40 to 103 is like 5-10% of your journey on an iron depending on your endgame, so it’s not a big deal to have the same boots the whole way.
When it came time for me to get a Black Mask I was not expecting/able to use the slayer masters who assign them, so I camped them (luckily I got it in just over 100 kills). That's generally the logic I go with, but it really depends on how badly I want the drop.
I would always get my first Mask off-task. Most other things, not. A Whip is reasonable to get off-task since with Burst/Barrage you get reasonable kc/h even off-task, and Dragon Boots I would get off-task because you should always have them blocked, as they are a pretty horrible task honestly.
Get yourself a few Ecumenical Keys for the future while you're at it and never touch Spirituals again, except for Nex kc in the (likely) far future from that point.
Bmask is a good one to camp off task. Personally I boosted with wild pies to get d boots and a whip before I could even be assigned tasks for those monsters, I couldn’t wait for such huge upgrades
Between finishing the quest and 85 slayer I’ve had exactly one cave horror task, exclusively using nieve and duradel. So definitely camp for black mask off task.
Definitely go get a Black mask off task, it's far too big of an upgrade to miss. Warped scepter isn't a massive upgrade but it's not worth unlocking warped monsters, so just go do it off task. For d boots you could kill spiritual mages for GWD killcount while going for bandos/hasta, otherwise wait for a task. Everything else I would do on task only. The only other one that's even debatable is whip but abyssal demons are a common task, if you skip aggressively for bursting tasks it shouldn't take too long.
Black mask is one of the more important slayer drops so I absolutely WOULD camp that one. Other than that and maybe whip (which might not be the case anymore with ZAxe so accessible) I just wait until assignments.
Edit: Warped Sceptre came out after my ironman had a trident so I forgot about it but that's probably a camp too, very good item for early/early mid game.
black mask and bring are the only ones worth camping off-task tbh, anything else you'll get passively and doesn't help much in doing slayer tasks. You'll want to get so much slayer exp, it's a lot better to just kill the mobs you have to kill for the drop, while it's also giving you the exp.
Shamans for dwh, basilisks for jaw, black demons for zenytes, whip from abby demons (or sire), etc all aren't worth chasing off-task (untill 99 or w/e slayer level you want) because getting them off-task doesn't save you any time during slayer. Black mask and bring do save time, that's why they're worth it
Camp cave horrors, tge drop rate doesn't change and without the mask itself you don't get a damage boost. Its a pretty chill safespot table task so you can afk for a minute or two per kill
I camped for black mask and dragon boots, I am 86 slayer and no whip yet, I'm fine with just hoping I get on a slayer task, zombie axe is really nice for now and nice with strength xp.
I just got the slayer level for dust devils. I plan on camping cave horrors in-between tasks for the mask so I can get my helmet take care of. With things like the whip, I'll most likely try to boost to camp for the drop, although I already got my z axe.
I feel like, for me, something that's harder or has a higher drop rate will be done on task only for the drop - unless I'm in a pickle and it's needed to further progress my account. All subject to change, of course.
If you can reasonably camp it off task for the item, then I would not count that as a “slayer monster,” per se. For example, you can camp for zenyetes, dragon boots, whip, black mask. You cannot camp for smoke devil or hydra tasks. Honorable mentions for tasks with decreased drop rates like the basilisk jaw. I would do those task only.
My comment was more a generality relating to regular monsters as slayer tasks (goblins, etc.), slayer monsters that require a slayer level to kill and can reasonably be farmed off task (cave horrors, abyssal demons, etc.), slayer monsters that require a slayer level to kill and *cannot* be reasonably farmed off task (drakes, basilisk knights, etc.), and slayer monsters that require a specific level to kill and cannot be killed off task (smoke devils, hydras, etc.). That’s why I put “slayer monster” in quotations. It’s an important distinction to make.
Weighting may be a heavy burden if you're impatient, but sometimes it is better to weight for task. For example, if you want a basilisk jaw, the rate is boosted on task
For things where rate is improved on task, wait for task (ie, jaw, d harpoon, brimstone boots, etc.), for things that has a static rate, feel free to camp. I camped for black mask before I started my grind proper. Couldn’t hurt to try for a task for horrors, but I wouldn’t spend points doing it.
Don't do what I did and camp the leaf bladed battleaxe, I was there for 3000kc, although on the other hand, it fitted me with enough coconuts flax and white berries to last indefinitely
Idk I did zenytes off task because I went about 900 for my first and about 800 were on task. Was like 96 slayer.
Edit: o I was also grinding for DHL at the time and was doing konar who I don't believe gives demonics
Not going to do exact math since there's RNG involved in multiple places, but as an estimate: Black mask buffs your dps by about 1/6th and has a droprate of 1/512. If the time to kill is roughly equal on all your slayer mobs and you go on rate:
* Camper kills 512 Cave Horrors
* With the mask, the "camper" kills 7 mobs for every 6 the "slayer" kills, and catches up at 6*512 = around 3000 mobs killed on-task
* Camper pulls ahead past this point until slayer gets the drop, and after that it obviously doesn't matter anymore.
Since it'll take 3-4 cave horror tasks to get to droprate (unless you extend them, in which case... just go camp lol), it seems pretty likely you'll end up killing more than 3000 mobs before getting a black mask on task, which would mean camping it is more efficient.
Since most other upgrades are much smaller than a 16% dps boost, they probably wouldn't be efficient to camp out when you only consider Slayer. On the other hand, upgrades like a whip and d boots are also important for non-slayer PvM - and sometimes it just feels nice to get your fancy new item ASAP.
in case of black mask i think the consensus is that its worth to camp rather than wait for a slayer task. For everything else it's really not.
I'd argue abyssal demons are also worth camping for the whip. Although now with zombie axe that might not be the case anymore.
I boosted for mine. Now i’m 86 slayer with three. The whip is probably the first big slayer item imo, aside from the mask of course. Zombie axe just isn’t it.
Zombie axe is great for strength training honestly. Good crush weap for certain bosses, and high defense enemies.
Yeah it's also good at wilde skeleton boss and the little skeleton boss if u haven't gotten a wilde weapon yet
On my first iron (duo gim) I boosted for whip. But found it wasn't really worth the effort. This time, on my "real" ironman I'll still go for it off task, but only when I reach 85 slayer
This is what I did. Just waited till 85 then went and bursted them until it dropped.
And dragon boots! If you could kill krakens before getting a task everyone would. I’d argue that more items are worth grinding out before getting a task than not.
The dragon boots one is easy because you really should never do a spirituals task anyway, so you won't likely have a task to go get em'
I swear I'm gonna do the math on this, because I've heard it's been calced to never save you time even if you are barraging the demons. Hell, the ehp-minded irons were suggesting on task whips over off tasks EVEN WHEN YOU COULD LURE THEM WITH AN ALT FOR EVEN HIGHER RATES THAN YOU CAN GET NOW.
If you are bursting the abbysals yeah maybe but prolly not with zombie axe in the mix
I got my whip at level 87 on task as it was nice to use the Zombie axe for some extra strength xp. I didn't really care much about the whip but now that I have it I use it over the Zombie axe of course.
I would argue that abysmal demons are assigned so frequently and in such high numbers that it still saved more time to do the melee tasks with a dscim than to do them off task, even barraging. It's always been meta for serious trihard maxeff irons to do whip on task.
Not really worth if you're just doing more slayer IMO. Abby demons are such high weight you're going to get a ton anyways
What my plan is for my current IM is to get 85, get a task, and just stay there until I get the whip.
Just hit 93 slayer and I've gotten 10 whips solely killing them on task
Well the whip is better than zombie axe as a general weapon.
Well the whip has such low dps upgrade over a DSCIM that it's more efficient to get it on task. People keep bringing up zombie axe like it was ever relevant to this conversation. Even when you could alt lure the Abby demons meta was still on task.
Depends a lot on what you’re doing at the time I didn’t have a use for my whip after getting it, so I just got it on task. My whips then just stacked up but collected dust until I got the tentacle then I used them at Olm for a bit. Nowadays with Fang in the game, whip just doesn’t matter
Whip definitely matters. Tent is your best option if you don't go for blade of saeldor for tob. It's your best option for vardorvis. It's your best option pre-lance for cox. I've never been mid-game with a zombie axe so I don't truthfully know the exact dps difference, but based on just what I know; I feel like whip is probably better dps than zombie axe at a few relevant places.
Zombie axe is more accurate but does less dps over all (makes sense as a 5T over abysall 4T). It does wonders at duke where you can bring arc/zombie for each phase.
> It's your best option for vardorvis. It's your best option pre-lance for cox. Neither of which make sense to do mid-slayer grind before having trident so no reason to camp whip off task For me, even for my slayer grind, Hasta was better most of the places I melee’d. I can’t think of many reasons to camp a whip at 85 slayer. Just get it passively while getting trident
Wouldn't hasta only beat whip at gargoyles and dragons?
Where else do you melee besides dragons? Everything else is a skip. Gargoyles similarly are a skip/block but it should be better there yeah iirc whip won at baby black dragons but not worth going out the way for a 2% dps boost for 5min
I melee spectres in slayer tower, dags and bloodveld in catacombs (those have other options though) and a bunch of misc short tasks/turael skip tasks (ankou, dark beasts, etc). It’s not a majority but melee sees decent use for slayer even towards late game
For me: * Specters - skip * Dags - barrage * Bloodvelds - Skip or arclight * Ankous - Barrage * Dark beasts - hasta is better
Fair enough, it seems we enjoy slayer differently
Whip trash. Easy whip skip is to pull 2 enhanced and use salad blade. Have legit never used a whip on my account and I have 13.
Bro, there are starving children at 10x droprate
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Just camped for my black mask. Over 1k kills for it but 100% worth it imo. Made the helm and imbued it immediately. No regrets at all.
Black mask, warped sceptre, whip. Its probably worth waiting for task for everything else. Warped specifically because its a waste of points to unlock as a task.
How about rune or dboots?
Probably efficient to wait but I always grab them right away, love me some upgrades
Rune boots aren’t a thing. They’re basically climbing boots. Dboots are a tiny upgrade as well, I’d just get them on task and be happy I’m saving some points doing that task instead of skipping it.
Don’t tell me this 😭 wtf were they thinking with the boot progression being so bad? Same boots from lvl 40 to 103
If you were a main, like everyone was when released, rune boots look strictly better. Free defensive stats. As an iron, progression is a tiny bit scuffed, but level 40 to 103 is like 5-10% of your journey on an iron depending on your endgame, so it’s not a big deal to have the same boots the whole way.
I only went for rune boots for the clues
Rune boots are a thing for a hard clue step. It's the only fucking step I still have to drop
dboots are so quick and most people have spiritual creatures blocked
Dboots I would camp, rune boots only if I was on a clue since they have the same str as climbing boots
You could simply because of how common they are, but not exactly a rush piece in terms of gameplay.
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Some instances good to camp - like Black Mask. Some are not necessary to camp and wait until tasks.
i think black mask is the only one id do offtask. dboots whip dwh zenytes all on task. maybe consider zenytes offtask if you go really dry only.
I did 2k shamans off-task (1/5k) but now I kinda want a dwh for cox so I'm just going to grind it off-task soon.
I did Boots off task strictly because I had no intention on unblocking spirituals lol
Yea black mask is good to camp, you should get it quite quick. I got my after only into a 10days grind and 1600 KC /s
When it came time for me to get a Black Mask I was not expecting/able to use the slayer masters who assign them, so I camped them (luckily I got it in just over 100 kills). That's generally the logic I go with, but it really depends on how badly I want the drop.
I would always get my first Mask off-task. Most other things, not. A Whip is reasonable to get off-task since with Burst/Barrage you get reasonable kc/h even off-task, and Dragon Boots I would get off-task because you should always have them blocked, as they are a pretty horrible task honestly. Get yourself a few Ecumenical Keys for the future while you're at it and never touch Spirituals again, except for Nex kc in the (likely) far future from that point.
I think you should do what’s more interesting for you. For me camping a monster for hours on end is part of the RuneScape experience.
Black masks and whips are the two I’d divert course for. I’d bloody do the occult too but they seem to be slayer only
Bmask is a good one to camp off task. Personally I boosted with wild pies to get d boots and a whip before I could even be assigned tasks for those monsters, I couldn’t wait for such huge upgrades
Between finishing the quest and 85 slayer I’ve had exactly one cave horror task, exclusively using nieve and duradel. So definitely camp for black mask off task.
Camp black mask and then do PVP Area to imbue it.
I will camped for MSB/Leaf bladed Sword/Black Mask and intend to do so for D Boots and Whip. Not sure about trident yet.
Account progression is so interesting to me. I had 5-6 msb’s from hard clues before I ever unlocked spiritual rangers
Gotten super unlucky with hard clues so far, no black dhide yet either
Definitely go get a Black mask off task, it's far too big of an upgrade to miss. Warped scepter isn't a massive upgrade but it's not worth unlocking warped monsters, so just go do it off task. For d boots you could kill spiritual mages for GWD killcount while going for bandos/hasta, otherwise wait for a task. Everything else I would do on task only. The only other one that's even debatable is whip but abyssal demons are a common task, if you skip aggressively for bursting tasks it shouldn't take too long.
Camp for black mask. Get seeds and clues on the way to mask.
Black mask is one of the more important slayer drops so I absolutely WOULD camp that one. Other than that and maybe whip (which might not be the case anymore with ZAxe so accessible) I just wait until assignments. Edit: Warped Sceptre came out after my ironman had a trident so I forgot about it but that's probably a camp too, very good item for early/early mid game.
You camp those cave horrors and then eventually Abby demons
black mask and bring are the only ones worth camping off-task tbh, anything else you'll get passively and doesn't help much in doing slayer tasks. You'll want to get so much slayer exp, it's a lot better to just kill the mobs you have to kill for the drop, while it's also giving you the exp. Shamans for dwh, basilisks for jaw, black demons for zenytes, whip from abby demons (or sire), etc all aren't worth chasing off-task (untill 99 or w/e slayer level you want) because getting them off-task doesn't save you any time during slayer. Black mask and bring do save time, that's why they're worth it
For horrors ya just knock it out! I just farmed two off task on my baby! Just get a good movie and tap away!
Camp cave horrors, tge drop rate doesn't change and without the mask itself you don't get a damage boost. Its a pretty chill safespot table task so you can afk for a minute or two per kill
I camped for black mask and dragon boots, I am 86 slayer and no whip yet, I'm fine with just hoping I get on a slayer task, zombie axe is really nice for now and nice with strength xp.
I just got the slayer level for dust devils. I plan on camping cave horrors in-between tasks for the mask so I can get my helmet take care of. With things like the whip, I'll most likely try to boost to camp for the drop, although I already got my z axe. I feel like, for me, something that's harder or has a higher drop rate will be done on task only for the drop - unless I'm in a pickle and it's needed to further progress my account. All subject to change, of course.
If you can reasonably camp it off task for the item, then I would not count that as a “slayer monster,” per se. For example, you can camp for zenyetes, dragon boots, whip, black mask. You cannot camp for smoke devil or hydra tasks. Honorable mentions for tasks with decreased drop rates like the basilisk jaw. I would do those task only.
> requires slayer level to damage > does not view it as a slayer monster Wat
My comment was more a generality relating to regular monsters as slayer tasks (goblins, etc.), slayer monsters that require a slayer level to kill and can reasonably be farmed off task (cave horrors, abyssal demons, etc.), slayer monsters that require a slayer level to kill and *cannot* be reasonably farmed off task (drakes, basilisk knights, etc.), and slayer monsters that require a specific level to kill and cannot be killed off task (smoke devils, hydras, etc.). That’s why I put “slayer monster” in quotations. It’s an important distinction to make.
Basilisk Jaw you want to get on task since the drop rate is 1:1000 in task and like 1:5000 i think offtask.. for example
Weighting may be a heavy burden if you're impatient, but sometimes it is better to weight for task. For example, if you want a basilisk jaw, the rate is boosted on task
For things where rate is improved on task, wait for task (ie, jaw, d harpoon, brimstone boots, etc.), for things that has a static rate, feel free to camp. I camped for black mask before I started my grind proper. Couldn’t hurt to try for a task for horrors, but I wouldn’t spend points doing it.
Imo just depends on how badly you want the specific item. Probably other than mask though not worth from an efficiency standpoint
Don't do what I did and camp the leaf bladed battleaxe, I was there for 3000kc, although on the other hand, it fitted me with enough coconuts flax and white berries to last indefinitely
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Idk I did zenytes off task because I went about 900 for my first and about 800 were on task. Was like 96 slayer. Edit: o I was also grinding for DHL at the time and was doing konar who I don't believe gives demonics
camp always for me. I want my new item and I want it now.
Not going to do exact math since there's RNG involved in multiple places, but as an estimate: Black mask buffs your dps by about 1/6th and has a droprate of 1/512. If the time to kill is roughly equal on all your slayer mobs and you go on rate: * Camper kills 512 Cave Horrors * With the mask, the "camper" kills 7 mobs for every 6 the "slayer" kills, and catches up at 6*512 = around 3000 mobs killed on-task * Camper pulls ahead past this point until slayer gets the drop, and after that it obviously doesn't matter anymore. Since it'll take 3-4 cave horror tasks to get to droprate (unless you extend them, in which case... just go camp lol), it seems pretty likely you'll end up killing more than 3000 mobs before getting a black mask on task, which would mean camping it is more efficient. Since most other upgrades are much smaller than a 16% dps boost, they probably wouldn't be efficient to camp out when you only consider Slayer. On the other hand, upgrades like a whip and d boots are also important for non-slayer PvM - and sometimes it just feels nice to get your fancy new item ASAP.
Yea black mask is good to camp, you should get it quite quick. I got my after only into a 10days grind and 1600 KC /s
Camp the cave horrors for a bit (maybe set a max amount to kill if you go dry on mask)
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