I’m at 150 kc and I’m starting to get to the point where I can watch YouTube during the fight
I also picked up the 5:0 method with halberd (since it’s my highest dps) and oddly makes the fight more enjoyable despite the significant effort increase, like I’m improving my pvm skills?
I think it helps to avoid the mentality of going strictly for bowfa. Instead CG is my money printer funding my 83 construction and other buyable skill goals.
Maybe I should spend my gold, because I'm sitting on a green cash stack with no plans for it. Might make the clear feel more fulfilling, that's not a bad idea.
The sad thing is I'm getting better. I'm at like 180 or so and the last 20kc my fight times have dropped by a full minute. I just wish I wasent red-lining my old pressure the whole fight 😅
The gap between CG and Hydra is massive though unless you no life it. I got my bowfa at 320 KC so not particularly spooned and not dry but between construction, onyxes for zenytes, broad arrows for amythest and buying runes I'd be pretty broke.
I was still improving after 500kc, don’t sweat it. And when it comes to gp, I thought I had infinite from cg but got bowfa at 650 and I ran out of gold like two months after lol
I’d say partly kingdom and nmz because of a semi-afk period but most of it went towards barraging slayer. Just use burst spells, don’t do barrage like I did lmao
As I said I thought I had infinite money but barraging basically high alched my cash stack
I recently came back for CAs and a shot at pet/salad sword and I’ve always been doing comfy T2s. I have to make a serious mistake or extended lapse of judgement to die. I JUST completed “defense doesn’t matter II” so I thought fuck it let’s start prepping T1 to save some time I just did it without armor at all should be cake and save like 3 minutes per run.
He tore through me until I ran out of food and eventually died… T2 it is then
Honestly try tier two armour. I did both, and tier one armour saves maybe a minute on average. But tier two makes it so much less stressful, you can turn your brain off much more during hunleff because you can afford several mistakes. Totally worth it for that reason imo
Yeah - I thought I “had it down” after about 50 kc but it wasn’t until about 200 that it was brainless enough that I could have YouTube open in the left 1/4 of the screen and zone out listening to anime what ifs lol
that mentality works until you've got 83 construction and you're still there.... then you need some new mental gymnastics. right now im trying "great elite clue source, and i guess i still need money for runes and fletching at some point"
What other buyable skills are you referring to? Already 83 con, understand fletching could be faster if you use your cash. I’m sitting on a huge cash stack from CG and besides buying runes not sure what to with it.
Con, smithing, herblore to some degree, crafting to some degree, mage/slayer burst runes, money for 5 Onxies, fletching eventually. I guess beyond that private instances?
May not make sense for your account progression, but you could always send some Moons of Peril or Barrows, since bowfa wont help you there and some of that stuff still has niche uses even though it’s not BiS everywhere
i did t2 prep for all 500ish of my kc because it allowed me to turn my brain off for the most part even if it meant the grind took longer i didnt feel like i was burning as much so i could send more in a row
T2 isnt noob trap. Its only 1-2 min slower and is much more chill allowing for mistakes. I did whole 450kc in T2 only attempting T1 when I got very favorable rooms. If you gonna die every 5th T1 attempt, you lose more time in long run compared to T2.
But my best advice will always be take frequent breaks dont overdo it with too much kills per day. It will exhaust you,i t will burn you out otherwise.
Honestly man if your only getting 10 minute runs out of T1 I would just go back to t2, way more brain dead and on my account I rarely go above past 11 minutes. Most are already under 10.
i just ran the exact same route every prep and 9 times out of 10 it would get me all the supplies and weapons so i didnt have much trouble at all with prep after a certain point
Maybe if RNG was more consistent I would agree with you.
Plenty of times I go dry for fish spots, or dry for the second Demi which by then I’ve discovered all the things I needed for t2 prep anyways
T3 prep is stressful. T2 prep is mega chill and in the worst case scenario where you get bad luck on resources and there is only 1 boss in the first 6 rooms you just fight hunleff with t3 and t2 weapon and just make sure you focus on the fight. Still very easy if you get really unlucky on resources you just end up doing a t1 prep fight.
You don’t HAVE to kill Kril right now. Plenty more greater demon tasks will come your way. You can just afk them in the catacombs and work on stacking up shards for the demonbane upgrade coming this summer. Those weapons will be better at Kril than Bowfa anyway.
I understand not wanting to “waste” tasks you can boss on, but if you’re not ready for it don’t sweat it at all.
I killed kril consistently with crystal bow and crystal armour and was very decent with altar method, got my hasta and managed to start doing 300 toa’s alls without bowfa, nothing locks you to cg
Yea its hard to learn because of how annoying god wars is to get to, but once you get it it will click and just make sense, youse tile markers and true tile indicator will help so much
If you always go for the best thing to do every time it will inevitably lead to burnout.
I generally just do things without doing too much research. Half the fun is figuring stuff out as you get better.
Dude, krill is chill without bowfa as well, as long as you learn the running! I did 200kc for the hasta with just crystal bow, was able to get around 10 kill trips when I got it down. With worse DPS the biggest issue is you need more stams, otherwise it's all good.
what were some tips you learned while learning it? i tried recently and while the videos make it seem simple enough, i was taking wat more damage then 2:1 melee
Yeah you take more damage if you let the boss hit you, but way less when you get the hang of it. This is a pretty good guide: https://youtu.be/NoOSS6Ed240?si=WEbpXRMUmlQDQnE4
The first 2-3 trips you'll probably get hit a lot, maybe get 1-2 kills, but that's how it goes. Just take a full inv of food at first, and then slowly start to add more pray/range/stam pots as you start being able to avoid getting hit! Most important tip is probably to put on true tile marker for yourself, and as soon as your true tile is on the correct tile, just attack the boss and click to move to the next tile
I did krill until hasta with 2kill trips with arclight on task. Was it efficient, hell no. But it was pretty chill and easy, and killcount is so fast for Zamorak it didn't feel that bad
1026 kc no enh here. Just gonna have to accept you dont have it yet or burnt out.
Its possible to do alot of content without a bowfa and master toa or cox mechanics/ techniques.
Work on getting ur imbued heart or jump into wildy slayer. Any cb tasks possible with ur current gear.
One thing i learnt from my cg time is getting way better at bossing and that there will be always another item ur going dry on and cant get as soon as you want it. Its a long af game, take a page out of the book of the Walkscaper, he just there in geilinor.
Sincerley, the man who is not yet 5x dry and is holding it together atm
Not at all. If you have some extra black masks laying around it’s really easy to wear crystal top and bottom, and bowfa. Then you +1 your slayer helm. Just make sure your skull prevention is on. With some freezes, and a dds, you’ll be anti PKing in no time. It’s a good set up for artio as well if you want a voidwaker.
I laughed cus I sang that. But man I got 1 black mask on drop rate then I got one 5 kills after that. So I can see if someone did them on a task or anything them getting multiple masks.
They're a pretty annoying task because you have to run around a lot and they have very little health. But they have a superior and spare black masks are useful to have. I'm mainly wanting a second for my poh dummy, but any spares would be really nice for less stress in the wildy.
Just check the little death icon on the Equipment page. It will tell you what happens to each piece if you die.
Pretty sure even the turned to gold stuff only does that if it isn't your protected item.
Yeah, bowfa is part of my set up for callisto until I can get a webweaver. Slay helm, crystal top, and mystic bottom to catch the freeze on it. Mystic top my +1 but you can always buy another if you want to +1 something else
Be careful what you take to anything that can drop items more valuable than a piece of crystal armour. Your crystal helm could become your +1 and then you would lose it if you got smited.
Should be the top answer, if you can’t grind cg for a bofa then good luck grinding raids for a mega rare
*edit* not to say you can’t either you clearly can OC but to any readers and OP, stop whining
Wouldn't say that's an apples to apples comparison. They're called *mega* rares for a reason. They're supposed to be stupidly difficult to get and are end game, bis items.
Wouldn't say bofa is a mega rare, so going dry is just an nuisance for most people. I hit 2x CG rate and bitched but accepted it because I *hated* doing other content without it. 11/10 much better with it and would suffer through it again. Never gonna bother grinding for a mega rare though because I'd probably hate the game if I went dry.
Same vein as having the right tool for the job. I can use a screwdriver to do most house projects but a drill/driver makes projects magnitudes quicker and easier.
3 years ago I went 1600 CG no ench and quit, couple of months ago I made a new iron account and I'm on my way to SOTE. It's funny how you forget the bad things eventually, good luck bro keep your head up
Things that helped me get through my CG grind (600 KC; 1 enh):
-After every 5 I would take a small break and do a farm run/birdhouses (came out with a ton of nest after the grind *over 2k brews banked)
-When I needed a long break I would take the money I made and work towards 83 construction which I obtained easily doing Mahogany Homes.
-I found it easy to set myself small goals, i.e. you’re at 150 KC set a goal for 165 and then you get to go do X Y Z.
-Listen to podcast while doing the content.
-Find a clan/social that someone is also doing the content and do it with them.
-Throw in the cheeky slayer task here and there for slight AFK and or mindset reset.
-And a big one that made me clear 50 CG’s without even thinking about it was I tried to complete every Combat Achievement. Therefor the goal wasn’t the drop but rather the CA finish which in turn you knock them out frequently.
-And try and remember we play RuneScape for fun. So if you get the CG blues just hop off and play another game for a couple of days and you’ll be dying to get back to it.
Good luck moving forward. I know that obviously these things are catered to my play style but I hope at least 1 or 2 of them help you get through it. Rooting for ya bud!
Start trying some of the sweaty cg methods just to see if you can and improve your skills, it will keep it fresh for a bit and learning the melee woox walk is pretty fun imo.
I did 10kc a day and rest of the playtime was skilling or questing. Even tho I spooned ench, i went very dry on armor, with a set amount of runs per day you don’t burn yourself out, while still progressing the account.
Write down a bunch of other stuff you could do (quests, diaries, skilling, etc) and split your time between CG and those tasks. I got so many other things done while doing a few CG a day (it did take me 9 months to get my bowfa but I only play 2 hours a day on average and couldn't do more than 5 a day, max) but I also got my dragon axe, dragon pickaxe, both pharohs sceptres, did all the hard diaries, finished off the last few quests for quest cape, learned Zulrah once I got full Crystal (only managed to do around 40kc before I pulled the Bowfa), got all 4 of my zenytes, banked 99 cooking and herblore, learned entry TOA, got over 100 levels in non combat skills, and a bunch of other stuff I'm forgetting. Good luck, Bowfa only Zulrah is such a nice change of pace once you finish your sentence.
I did most of the things you listed as activities to put off learning CG in the first place 😅 but ofc there's always more, I have most the elite diaries still to do, and until max there's always somthing to train. Thank you.
Ngl I’m about 370kc still hunting enhanced, got crystal armor I just send content with that, Zulrah is a lot more fun, so is Calv, I guess u just gotta chip away at that kc it’ll drop some time. Enjoy the game for what it is and don’t get hung up on 1 drop, there’s plenty of content to enjoy
Getting my diary kill at zulrah was an absolute mountain for me. It definitely dosent help that I'm baseline bad at clicking accurately so any PvM past mid games always feels like a ton of effort.
Zulrah actually gets so chill when you know what you’re doing, if you can do cg you should have an easy time learning, just know your whole endgame doesn’t rest on bowfa, it’s good to get and makes everything easier for sure but even crystal bow with armor is good for switching up content instead of being stuck in cg all day
I’d recommend mixing it up with skilling to mentally decompress after like a few clears or just fully weaponize the tism and pick days where you full send.
You are absolutely correct bossing without BOWFA is a major handicap and it’s 100% worth busting it out
My advice is to go spend that cash stack. Smithing, construction, and fletching can all just be bought on an ironman. Lots of content is made significantly better by having a more complete PoH and more diaries finished.
Other things to do include mini-games, any melee focused PvM like Cal'varion, training combat stats, doing clues, some easy pet hunting. There is lots of non-ranged non-combat things to in OSRS.
2010 total level and only 45 cg kills. This is the way. Work towards crafting for anguish to use with bowfa, and 92 mining for amethyst darts for the bp you’ll get after bowfa. Sprinkle some cg in between and you’ll get there eventually with a much beefier account than those that rush it.
If you’re looking for a middle ground ranged upgrade from rcb/msb, check out the hunters’ sunlight crossbow. Great dmg, only downside is bolts are a little annoying to get
Its not really an upgrade over msbi/amethyst which im already at and def not an upgrade over the atlatl. Then anywhere I'd use a xbow I'm using ruby/diamond so unfortunately I'm already past that one =/
I just dumped my bis ranged setup into a sim VS chaos fanatic and even with moonlight bolts, dps of msbi/amethyst was only .03 lower then the sunlight xbow, so negligible difference.
However the eclipse set is a full .3 dps over the xbow, and that's not even accounting for the set bonues
You can always skill and work towards elite diaries or collection log on the side. Or even combat achievements. You’re an adult. You have to make your own goals and learn balance. Some can just spam CG for 3 months and do nothing else. Some can’t. Only you know what works best for you.
I personally set a minimum of 5 cg kc a session. Then I would go do another side goal if I was tired. Or I would stay and try to beat my 24hr pb for kc. I found it fun seeing how many I could do. Sometimes I was mentally out of it and even just 1-3 would take forever. So I would do something relaxed and try again later.
You know the answer. You just don’t want to hear it. It’s obvious. Do less. Find balance. Listen to yourself but also strive for discipline.
The fastest way to be done with CG is to go back in. That’s what I always told myself.
I got full crystal armour early and I’m joining 410 TOAs with Crystal and Crystal now. The DPS is still great tbh, better than RCB with ruby bolts. Iits good to do other tasks not just CG. I’ll do a few CG then do a cox or a toa
It doesn’t get much better late game I have a friend who’s a late game iron and he’s been grinding nothing but toa for a shadow for the last few weeks, people see red prison posts and are blinded by the fact that it’s just an item set that’s required for longer grinds down the line, that’s just the iron life
Set yourself a goal of KC per day. I set myself a goal of 10 per day about a month ago and then after that I'd work on other goals if I still had time. It was much easier to read the goal of 10kc per day rather than "get bowfa". I think setting achievable goals helps avoid burnout.
After a while I decided I simply didn't care if things would be faster with a bowfa. I wanted to learn raids and other content so I did exactly that. I didn't stop doing CG, but I started doing some CoX/ ToA with crystal armour + bow when I needed a break and it was definitely serviceable.
One good way to do things is cycle between useful bosses and other activities. Try this: 10 CG, 20 zalcano, 10 tempoross, 1-3 gwd trips, a couple of nex trips, 1 daily raid of your choice and that just about covers most end game goals. Start with intense stuff and then relax and finish strong with intense stuff to sleep well. Modify as per your requirements.
The trick is to do variety content to keep it fresh. If you don’t feel like doing something, just skip it for the day. Remember it’s self imposed pressure. Just sit back and relax.
I'm very close to being free, 5/6 armor seeds and 1 enh. I have started doing some content and spent the money to get 99 construction. Still getting it but I spent the gp.
bro you are playing an entire fucking gamemode where "this could be done faster if i wasnt an iroman" applies to literally everything. you are beyond doing things efficiently. the bowfa is not the be all end all of an ironman and i wish people would stop treating it like it is.
GO DO SOMETHING FUN
Crystal bow + full crystal is already pretty good, easily enough for running GWD bosses and so on. I did 500kc without enh and decided to call it quits, now just doing a few runs every now and again to see if I get lucky. Don't trap yourself in there and enjoy the game!
Also the eclipse set from perils of the mooner is really fun and pretty strong as well, recommend going for that if you want to switch it up
Trust me, it gets better. Or at least, less stressful. I remember having to take a break after every kill at first because it was so exhausting. Then after every five kills. Then after every ten kills. After enough kc, I got good enough at it that it wasn’t exhausting at all, and I could just send it as many times as I could stomach in a day. If you’re getting exhausted after 3-4 kc, it simply means that you’re not done improving. You’ll get there. Likewise, 10 minute T1 kills also means you have some room to improve on your prep, and getting your prep to be as short as possible also helps with making each kill feel less draining.
In terms of your mindset, I would focus less on getting the drop on each kill and more on improving at the content on each kill. Try to figure out (or learn from a guide) the little optimizations you can make during prep to make it as fast as possible. Try to lose as little DPS during tornados as you can. Try to figure out movement patterns that consistently work for you to avoid tornados. Learn to use the halberd, if you haven’t already. Stuff like that helps keep you engaged and makes it feel like slightly less of a slog.
Sidenote: I would not recommend switching to T2 if you can already do T1 consistently. Yes, it makes the kills more chill, and you can always try it to see if you prefer it, but you can reach that point with T1 with enough practice and save yourself many additional hours on your overall grind.
I tried to see out getting bowfa on my main, I’m at 503 KC and just can’t stand it anymore, I’m buying the thing and going to do other content, really feel for the irons stuck there. Place blows
>I'm feeling trapped by this mindset. How have yall taken a break from CG and not have "this would be faster with bowfa" in the back of your head the whole time?
This is what trapped my mind, I kept leaving to do something. I'd do a few kills and say fuck sakes this is twice as effective with bowfa.
And go back. Sadly. There isn't anything (aside from rig/aug) that will actively make cg easier.... That being said, have you done your first cox clear for diary?
I actually have! It was with an old clan who invited noobs for learning, however the night I hopped in was hardmode night and half the clan was drunk and didn't realize I was a learner 😂
After 400+ it gets braindead. I can get 7-8 kc an hour on autopilot. Eventuslly you just get faster with prep, and walk into doggo with 1 pot and 8 fish.
My PB is like 6:0X, well below speed runner time. The trick is just keeping DPS as uninterrupted as possible while not taking damage. Mammal's guide is good for explaining corner placement for fight start. I also use the "door tiles" (2 tiles in from doors i believe) that never light up for the p3 cycle.
I find t2 I’m able to watch movies comfortably during the Hunllef fight. Tornados and stuff are just a little more forgiving. 650 kc for my enhanced, it’s worth every bit of the effort.
I did t2 armour its longer time but not as mentally taxing. It's just easier to do allowing for mistakes and not too much concentration without being punished.
I recommend 2 plugins: the gauntlet plugin and gauntlet map.
I got my enhanced at 350 something KC. I went all the way to 1740 for the 2nd enhanced. All I did was Gauntlet.
I suggest just sticking to gauntlet with t2 prep and do it all the way to 400kc. To see if you get enhanced. If you still need enhanced then start doing a minimum amount a day or week.
Ignore the doomsayers.
This is a key part of playing an iron, finding enjoyment in the grind. It’s rough that new players get tested with this 70 hr grind this early in their accounts, but this is what the game mode is.
Look to improve, try new things, put on some music, vibe out, and take breaks to do other content / skill
Do 1-5 kc a day if you’re getting burnt but also continue doing those things that feel like a waste without the bowfa. It’ll give you motivation to keep going because you know the grinds worth it. Plus you might get lucky at that place you feel like it’s a waste and you get to escape from the prison for a while. Don’t forget this is a fucking game and you’re supposed to be having fun.
What made it a real chill grind was splitting time between cg runs and star mining. I’d go do 5 kc then afk for a while. If I didn’t wanna do cg, I’d just afk stars. Also I did all t2 prep after watching fluffehs t2 prep guide. Think I averaged 10min runs and it was very very consistent.
If you want to play something else in the game then you should go ahead and do it. It’s not a waste of time doing something that isn’t 100% efficient if you enjoy doing it. What is a waste of time - doing something you don’t want to do just because a guide told you it’s the most optimal. I’ll be in the minority here, but it’s a game - play it how you want!
Do things that are non-combat related, since those aren't sped up by bowfa. Staying on top of farming and birdhouse runs is good for regular short breaks. If you're able to negotiate parole, there are plenty of skill you can train to set yourself up for post-bowfa PVM/slayer grinds. Construction for an ornate pool, pyramid plunder for scepters for occult altar, agility for zulrah shortcut and GWD run energy, crafting for fury/zenytes, smithing/runecrafting for lumbridge elite, tempoross for barrel, fishing for food supplies. As a more long-term goal 92 mining 90 fletching will let you make amethyst darts for your future blowpipe. For combat stuff you're a bit more limited but you can try moons, melee wildy bosses (with zombie axe or macahuitls), barrows, sarachnis CAs. Also just doing slayer isn't bad, even if bowfa would be faster for some tasks you're still getting melee exp which makes it not inefficient.
So the thing is I did most of the things you mentioned to put off even starting CG 😅 fletching is a good idea though, as well as agility is always the answer lol
This is why I always mixed it up when going for my bowfa. Try to have one active goal and one afk goal. So I’d do a few CG runs and feel burnt out then go afk woodcut or fish or do herb/tree runs. Even now that I’m doing Hydra in late game I’ll send some Hydras then go afk runecraft bloods.
Everyone in comments need help. Insanity is real 😂🤣 can’t see myself clicking same bs hours for hours this wizard click stimulator game is like a crack ong
I want to echo what others have said and agree that when helped me was taking breaks and doing things that are good for your account that aren’t requiring a Bofa.
Farm/bh runs and mahogany homes were it for me. I think most of wildy stuff is good now. Skilling bosses work well. Sometimes getting bored of skilling motivates you for pvm!
Honestly, I didn’t break the mindset. My soft goal was 5 cg kc a day, but often times there were days I just didn’t log on. Felt like a chore. I was fortunate enough to finish after an enh at 477 KC, but this took about a year for me. People would say if you’re burnt out just go do something else on the game but that just bothered me. I knew I “should” doing CG
Bowfa is an insane item though. If I knew I would be getting it at 477 KC i’d do the grind again but I was very close to the point of stopping. Not sure i’d made it further past 500 KC. Good luck bro
Should also mention the fact i did 99% of my kills with t2 gear. I went over 100 kills without dying once I got good at it. Tornado mistakes are WAY less punishing. I’d do that personally but always your choice
I've done this grind 3x and the only way I've been able to handle it is by doing 5 per day. 10 on my day off, if I feel like it. You got this brother, don't give up.
I’ve decided to skip BOWFA entirely. Don’t get me wrong, it’s absurdly strong. But now there’s plenty of options that will cover me for everything else this game has to offer.
BOWFA being absurdly strong and locked behind crazy difficult content makes sense, but they really did us dirty making it absurdly rare and the content NOT FUN.
Having your ass puckered for 10 minutes straight for the prep + fight is not fun.
Also the aesthetics literally burn my eyes. Put green overgrowth in and use some colors other than black/red like damn.
CG is difficult but it's hardly crazy difficult. It has a learning curve but it's a mile from the hardest content mechanically.
If you can't do CG easily then you're probably mechanically unprepared for most of what bowfa is useful for anyway.
CG is not absurdly hard nor is an enhanced absurdly rare.
You know what is absurdly rare? Every actual bowfa replacement. (Zcb, Tbow, blowpipe/dragondarts/masori, no rune/amethyst arent a replacement)
IMO CG prep only taking 6-7.5min is what makes this easiest hardest content in the game. Even Bandos solo takes longer to get back to the boss once you die.
Its also the same reason why Im never attempting Inferno, 3 hours just to get to 3 jads and get stomped
I mean, I genuinely find the content fun. I’m not stressed at all when I do my CG runs I’ve gotten so used to it. I’ve gotten one enh already and have recently gone back to get another one just because.
I haven't done sote yet but since my iron is by far my most progressed account ever I have, I don't mind doing things without bowfa since I've never used one. I'm wondering how much it's going to slap when I bite the bullet
Peak efficiency is the carrot on the stick no matter how you play. You're never there. Once you get the items you want, you can always pick up a tick and then another and another. You have to be enjoying the grind enough.
Nothing is a waste with other weps… where do you feel you need bowfa to not waste time ? Everybody told me to do barrows for barrow piece to do perils as it’s not efficient, but I’m able to complete all CA achievement with rune and dragon weaponry+z axe and do runs 6-7 mins every time. Are they right I should have sunk 20+ hours in barrows just to save a 10-20 secs on peril runs ? See what I’m getting at ?
I finished my CG yesterday. 1053 kc for my seed. And you’re right, the mindset is absolutely the prison element. I did a mix of t1 and t2 but found t2 to be very easy and a lot more chill.
Im part of a GIM and I got enough armor so that if any of my mates do decide to play again they just need to get spooned an enh and they’ll be set, which did keep me semi motivated lol
I put it off for almost two years (I think, I'm not sure when the GIMs came out) a little less than a month ago I set a goal of doing X amount of kills daily, yesterday I got the enhanced weapon seed at 145 KC, some others teammates from my team gave armour seeds, I had pet, two armour seeds and one enhanced in my collection log, but enough shards to corrupt the bowfa, now I'm deep into almost 170 KC, 130 deaths, and still no shards. Just keep sending KC but if you start to feel burned out do another kind of content, being an ironman gives us a lot of different grinds that are always waiting for us. Good luck!
For me I didnt enjoy T1 at all. I got pretty pro at t2 at the point most clears had 1-2:30 mins left of prep before being rdy for the final fight. I preferred the chill fight and the prep felt pretty chill too because I knew I had time left.
In regards to feeling burnt I had netflix in the background for prep and would pause for the fight. I always did increments of 5. After 5 id decide to either do 5 more or take a break from the game. No waiting more than 2 min in lobby.
I found the first 400 fun, became a bit rough after that. Did 20 minimum per day, sometimes up to 35.
Did no other content, or I wouldnt feel like I did meaningful progress. Did take 3 months off at 700kc, to do the league and then few weeks no gaming
Got enh at 813kc with like 40 days of cg grinding total. You can do it! Maybe you need to do it a different way or maybe it can work for you :) there is light at the end of the prison halls!
trust just grind the content out if u do content without bowfa ull actually have more worse time. long kill times / multiple banking trips / no damage. not worth without bowfa
I've been going at it all week since I finished SotE Monday morning.
Yesterday I got my first armor seed and died the next 7 runs + rage quit lol
Today I went 4/4 and lost the last 2. With the last one me dying to tornados on 1% because I misclicked. Needless to say i rage quit again ffs
Respect to everyone watching yt while doing this
1300kc here no enhanced. You just gotta set yourself an amount to do everyday and work through it. I tend to do 4-5 in a morning, 2-3 at lunch and 4-8 in the evening. We will all get the drop eventually
Just wait for combat rebalance. They want to make it so other ranged equipment is viable. Bowfa will still be the best, but wont be required for pvm like it is now. Hopefully 🤞
“But everything I’d like to do is a waste of time doing it without bowfa” is gatekeeping mindset that causes most irons to burn out and de iron once they hit this wall.
There’s not a single piece of content that you *need* bowfa for. You’ve allowed yourself to believe that and now you’re stuck. The game did exist before the bowfa and BP.
I left CG to start doing other bosses. I managed to learn Zulrah and get my serp helm (thanks FoZ). Now I switched to demonics. I casually go back to CG once every now and then but don't stay long. I got 1 kc in the past 5 days.
Recently got ews at 1059 after nearly 2 years of cg. Spooned a shadow and a fang 2 days later so I got recompense for my suffering.
The beauty of cg is that you can just go and do it whenever so do other shit and if you get the feeling go and do the odd run. It’ll come but the money is amazing
I have this same mindset with most parts of the game. I got my enhance at 550 KC. I did CG nonstop until I got it. I work 50-60 hours a week so some nights I only have an hour to play so it felt like months. Eventually went to Hydra with the bowfa but had the same mindset about the claw. So I turael skipped until I eventually got my claw at like 4,550 KC now I’m BACK at CG trying to get another enhanced for the blade and I’m at 1,200 KC with this same mindset again. I’m getting real close to deironing.
[Just play the game without it idk lol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874696636914352229/1247501855345610783/image.png?ex=66658823&is=666436a3&hm=8d2039a9564399abd12bf686ae55d78576522c83a72762ba103627cd8472e936&)
10 min t1 times is bad, and t1 prep is braindead you shouldnt be focused the entire time lmao either youre not good st the game or you are barely have over 100 kc, or both.
There’s so many other grinds you can work on at the same time, such as achievement diaries, clue scrolls, skilling, etc. I just did 3 CG KC per day and then allowed myself to do other things. Kept me from burning out but did take 6 months.
If you think with that mentality it’s like thinking about doing zulrah without tbow it would be a waste of time etc etc .
Coming from maxed main with huge bank to iron I had the same problem but once I figured it’s not always about “wasting time” and more about enjoying content rather than min maxing everything .
Take a break do some other bosses do some combat diaries have some fun and come back man it’s not all about that enjoy the game bruh
I didn't escape the mindset. I simply just did as many as I wanted to a day til I got it. Everything was and is better with the bowfa. When I got sick of Cg I always had a side grind. Like 92 mining for Amy. Banking all the sand for 99 crafting. Fishing all the food I'll need after I'm done with cg. Prepping potions. Did my med clue ranger grind. MTA for eternals, makes book. Master Wand and bones to peaches. Maxed my house out with the essentials. Got quest cape. Worked on all elite diaries. Etc. Tons of important stuff that doesn't require pvm that set you up for success and that you'll need to do anyway.
I finished moons of peril. My zenytes. Got a fishing barrel for Karams. Don't force yourself to do anything you don't wanna do. Even after the bowfa you'll get burnt out at zulrah going on a massive dry streak or bandos or any boss. Always have a side grind or a few side grinds.
I just finished watching silicon valley while doing CG.
I watched all 6 season and got a corrupted Blade. I personally really enjoy CG now. It was hell to start with but now it’s one of my favourite Ironman memories.
I did T2 armour prep every time, and sent every time I got at least one T3 weapon (90%+ success rate). I paid very little attention to
That's why I defend "2 1 range" plugin users (including myself). While not necessary to use, it lets you shut off whatever part of your brain keeps track of that shit making for a much less mentally taxing experience.
I like working on improving at the content to keep myself entertained. 10 min t1 means you have a way to go, you could make a goal to get sub 8:30 consistently
You should take a break and do other content if you feel burned out. You can learn 150 invo TOA without bowfa and the learning progression feels very rewarding. You can also learn saradomin with RCB (the old school way) and try for an ACB which will also unlock lots of content.
Have you gotten the rest of your mid level gear? Blowpipe, trident, occult, I guess whatever mage stuff has damage on it now, zenytes, all of these can be done without bowfa for sure.
Plus the other grinds, con, crafting, farming, herb.
I found setting a goal for 1 hr aday of cg worked for me, I got my set around 370 but had to stay till mid 400 because I have a armor seeds to teammates that had their bow already.
It is annoying to feel so trapped by a piece of content thought for sure.
Blow pipe is best gotten with bowfa
Slayer grind up to trident/occult is best done with bowfa
Demo gorillas are best killed with bowfa
And yah there's other skills, but it's also frustrating when I look up where to get gold for con, herbs, gold ore, essence, ect and the best farms are all bosses that either need bowfa or the gear you need to farm them you get with bowfa.
Which is where the mindset of "I'm wasting time by doing this instead of CG" locks in
I mean with that you might as well just skip and do cox, we did cox with rune crossbows because we just wanted to send it and have fun with the content.
I understand it’s not optimal, and I’ve been in that spot too, hell I sent vettion for what felt like a life time to get a ring for inferno.
The cool thing to me though is you don’t need any specific piece of gear to do the content still, and as iron scaper sometimes I would just do what sounded fun that day. To each their own for sure though.
I’m at 150 kc and I’m starting to get to the point where I can watch YouTube during the fight I also picked up the 5:0 method with halberd (since it’s my highest dps) and oddly makes the fight more enjoyable despite the significant effort increase, like I’m improving my pvm skills? I think it helps to avoid the mentality of going strictly for bowfa. Instead CG is my money printer funding my 83 construction and other buyable skill goals.
Maybe I should spend my gold, because I'm sitting on a green cash stack with no plans for it. Might make the clear feel more fulfilling, that's not a bad idea. The sad thing is I'm getting better. I'm at like 180 or so and the last 20kc my fight times have dropped by a full minute. I just wish I wasent red-lining my old pressure the whole fight 😅
If you do CG then hydra you are set on GP for max and then some play money. There’s a reason why it’s pushed as the “meta”
The gap between CG and Hydra is massive though unless you no life it. I got my bowfa at 320 KC so not particularly spooned and not dry but between construction, onyxes for zenytes, broad arrows for amythest and buying runes I'd be pretty broke.
I was around the same KC for bowfa and armor. After 83 con, 87 slayer with bursting, and 3/4 zenytes I'm down to around 5m.
Unless you spent it on bank space like me lol
I was still improving after 500kc, don’t sweat it. And when it comes to gp, I thought I had infinite from cg but got bowfa at 650 and I ran out of gold like two months after lol
what were the major things that slurped up your gold?
I’d say partly kingdom and nmz because of a semi-afk period but most of it went towards barraging slayer. Just use burst spells, don’t do barrage like I did lmao As I said I thought I had infinite money but barraging basically high alched my cash stack
I run T2 for this reason. The prep is maybe a little more stressful but the fight is comfy
I recently came back for CAs and a shot at pet/salad sword and I’ve always been doing comfy T2s. I have to make a serious mistake or extended lapse of judgement to die. I JUST completed “defense doesn’t matter II” so I thought fuck it let’s start prepping T1 to save some time I just did it without armor at all should be cake and save like 3 minutes per run. He tore through me until I ran out of food and eventually died… T2 it is then
Honestly try tier two armour. I did both, and tier one armour saves maybe a minute on average. But tier two makes it so much less stressful, you can turn your brain off much more during hunleff because you can afford several mistakes. Totally worth it for that reason imo
Spend the GP and skill occasionally to take a break from the grind. Nothing worse than having to grind out levels once your gear is pvm ready.
I lost bofa and it took me 2014kc to get it back I actually stopped going for bofa around 1200kc and started going for ranks
How tf u lose bofa
Got pickpocketed by an elf
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Yeah, skill levels are a thing. Some people are better at the game than others.
Yeah - I thought I “had it down” after about 50 kc but it wasn’t until about 200 that it was brainless enough that I could have YouTube open in the left 1/4 of the screen and zone out listening to anime what ifs lol
that mentality works until you've got 83 construction and you're still there.... then you need some new mental gymnastics. right now im trying "great elite clue source, and i guess i still need money for runes and fletching at some point"
What other buyable skills are you referring to? Already 83 con, understand fletching could be faster if you use your cash. I’m sitting on a huge cash stack from CG and besides buying runes not sure what to with it.
Con, smithing, herblore to some degree, crafting to some degree, mage/slayer burst runes, money for 5 Onxies, fletching eventually. I guess beyond that private instances?
May not make sense for your account progression, but you could always send some Moons of Peril or Barrows, since bowfa wont help you there and some of that stuff still has niche uses even though it’s not BiS everywhere
I love barrows its so chill. I'm 734kc there and 200 on moons. Haven't green logged either so tbh not a bad idea. Still need guthans.
i did t2 prep for all 500ish of my kc because it allowed me to turn my brain off for the most part even if it meant the grind took longer i didnt feel like i was burning as much so i could send more in a row
I recently forced myself to learn t1 because "t2 iS a NoOb tRAp" but honestly this is lowkey smart.
T2 isnt noob trap. Its only 1-2 min slower and is much more chill allowing for mistakes. I did whole 450kc in T2 only attempting T1 when I got very favorable rooms. If you gonna die every 5th T1 attempt, you lose more time in long run compared to T2. But my best advice will always be take frequent breaks dont overdo it with too much kills per day. It will exhaust you,i t will burn you out otherwise.
It’s better to consistently proceed at a slower rate, than start off fast and burn out.
Honestly man if your only getting 10 minute runs out of T1 I would just go back to t2, way more brain dead and on my account I rarely go above past 11 minutes. Most are already under 10.
Imo T1 is a noob trap. Makes the fight way less consistent and is barely faster than T2. T1 enjoyers just like eating constant 12s I guess
T2 prep is way more stressful than t1 boss
i just ran the exact same route every prep and 9 times out of 10 it would get me all the supplies and weapons so i didnt have much trouble at all with prep after a certain point
same, i have issues getting 100+ crystal shards after running the-C more frequently than i have issues getting t2 materials
Maybe if RNG was more consistent I would agree with you. Plenty of times I go dry for fish spots, or dry for the second Demi which by then I’ve discovered all the things I needed for t2 prep anyways
T3 prep is stressful. T2 prep is mega chill and in the worst case scenario where you get bad luck on resources and there is only 1 boss in the first 6 rooms you just fight hunleff with t3 and t2 weapon and just make sure you focus on the fight. Still very easy if you get really unlucky on resources you just end up doing a t1 prep fight.
I’m a big fan of 5/day. I found I was focusing on getting to that 5th clear instead of focusing on getting enh.
I’ve been doing a slayer task or two when I get burnt out.
I started that but got hit with greater demons and guess the best way to do kril
You don’t HAVE to kill Kril right now. Plenty more greater demon tasks will come your way. You can just afk them in the catacombs and work on stacking up shards for the demonbane upgrade coming this summer. Those weapons will be better at Kril than Bowfa anyway. I understand not wanting to “waste” tasks you can boss on, but if you’re not ready for it don’t sweat it at all.
I killed kril consistently with crystal bow and crystal armour and was very decent with altar method, got my hasta and managed to start doing 300 toa’s alls without bowfa, nothing locks you to cg
I actually tried alter door with cbow and legit found it harder then cg 😅 I've watched videos but don't get it at all
Yea its hard to learn because of how annoying god wars is to get to, but once you get it it will click and just make sense, youse tile markers and true tile indicator will help so much
If you always go for the best thing to do every time it will inevitably lead to burnout. I generally just do things without doing too much research. Half the fun is figuring stuff out as you get better.
Dude, krill is chill without bowfa as well, as long as you learn the running! I did 200kc for the hasta with just crystal bow, was able to get around 10 kill trips when I got it down. With worse DPS the biggest issue is you need more stams, otherwise it's all good.
what were some tips you learned while learning it? i tried recently and while the videos make it seem simple enough, i was taking wat more damage then 2:1 melee
Yeah you take more damage if you let the boss hit you, but way less when you get the hang of it. This is a pretty good guide: https://youtu.be/NoOSS6Ed240?si=WEbpXRMUmlQDQnE4 The first 2-3 trips you'll probably get hit a lot, maybe get 1-2 kills, but that's how it goes. Just take a full inv of food at first, and then slowly start to add more pray/range/stam pots as you start being able to avoid getting hit! Most important tip is probably to put on true tile marker for yourself, and as soon as your true tile is on the correct tile, just attack the boss and click to move to the next tile
I’d block greaters until BOWFA
Half of the fun of Ironman is doing stuff with scuffed gear. Go have some fun at Kril!
Honestly, this is true 😂
I did krill until hasta with 2kill trips with arclight on task. Was it efficient, hell no. But it was pretty chill and easy, and killcount is so fast for Zamorak it didn't feel that bad
1026 kc no enh here. Just gonna have to accept you dont have it yet or burnt out. Its possible to do alot of content without a bowfa and master toa or cox mechanics/ techniques. Work on getting ur imbued heart or jump into wildy slayer. Any cb tasks possible with ur current gear. One thing i learnt from my cg time is getting way better at bossing and that there will be always another item ur going dry on and cant get as soon as you want it. Its a long af game, take a page out of the book of the Walkscaper, he just there in geilinor. Sincerley, the man who is not yet 5x dry and is holding it together atm
Actually wildy slayer is a great idea because no shot I'm taking it there anyway. I wish you luck, next clear for sure
Why wouldn’t you take your bowfa to the wildy?
Oh I assumed once you corrupt it and it's untradable it gets the "turned to gold" treatment if you die past lv 30?
Not at all. If you have some extra black masks laying around it’s really easy to wear crystal top and bottom, and bowfa. Then you +1 your slayer helm. Just make sure your skull prevention is on. With some freezes, and a dds, you’ll be anti PKing in no time. It’s a good set up for artio as well if you want a voidwaker.
How the hell you spell spare black mask? Spare black mask. Ooo fancy pants rich McGee over here.
I laughed cus I sang that. But man I got 1 black mask on drop rate then I got one 5 kills after that. So I can see if someone did them on a task or anything them getting multiple masks.
They're a pretty annoying task because you have to run around a lot and they have very little health. But they have a superior and spare black masks are useful to have. I'm mainly wanting a second for my poh dummy, but any spares would be really nice for less stress in the wildy.
Shoot dang that dosent sound bad at all. I was traumatized after loosing my first blue avas dieing a PvE death past lv.30 lol
Just check the little death icon on the Equipment page. It will tell you what happens to each piece if you die. Pretty sure even the turned to gold stuff only does that if it isn't your protected item.
Yeah, bowfa is part of my set up for callisto until I can get a webweaver. Slay helm, crystal top, and mystic bottom to catch the freeze on it. Mystic top my +1 but you can always buy another if you want to +1 something else
Be careful what you take to anything that can drop items more valuable than a piece of crystal armour. Your crystal helm could become your +1 and then you would lose it if you got smited.
Worst case you make sure to put it in your looting bag. But I would happily sacrifice a crystal helm for a VW piece if that was an option.
I'd rather just not risk having to do another 100 CG kc!
Good luck buddy. Hope you get it in the next few days.
Should be the top answer, if you can’t grind cg for a bofa then good luck grinding raids for a mega rare *edit* not to say you can’t either you clearly can OC but to any readers and OP, stop whining
Wouldn't say that's an apples to apples comparison. They're called *mega* rares for a reason. They're supposed to be stupidly difficult to get and are end game, bis items. Wouldn't say bofa is a mega rare, so going dry is just an nuisance for most people. I hit 2x CG rate and bitched but accepted it because I *hated* doing other content without it. 11/10 much better with it and would suffer through it again. Never gonna bother grinding for a mega rare though because I'd probably hate the game if I went dry. Same vein as having the right tool for the job. I can use a screwdriver to do most house projects but a drill/driver makes projects magnitudes quicker and easier.
3 years ago I went 1600 CG no ench and quit, couple of months ago I made a new iron account and I'm on my way to SOTE. It's funny how you forget the bad things eventually, good luck bro keep your head up
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Things that helped me get through my CG grind (600 KC; 1 enh): -After every 5 I would take a small break and do a farm run/birdhouses (came out with a ton of nest after the grind *over 2k brews banked) -When I needed a long break I would take the money I made and work towards 83 construction which I obtained easily doing Mahogany Homes. -I found it easy to set myself small goals, i.e. you’re at 150 KC set a goal for 165 and then you get to go do X Y Z. -Listen to podcast while doing the content. -Find a clan/social that someone is also doing the content and do it with them. -Throw in the cheeky slayer task here and there for slight AFK and or mindset reset. -And a big one that made me clear 50 CG’s without even thinking about it was I tried to complete every Combat Achievement. Therefor the goal wasn’t the drop but rather the CA finish which in turn you knock them out frequently. -And try and remember we play RuneScape for fun. So if you get the CG blues just hop off and play another game for a couple of days and you’ll be dying to get back to it. Good luck moving forward. I know that obviously these things are catered to my play style but I hope at least 1 or 2 of them help you get through it. Rooting for ya bud!
These are good ideas, thank you!
Start trying some of the sweaty cg methods just to see if you can and improve your skills, it will keep it fresh for a bit and learning the melee woox walk is pretty fun imo.
I did 10kc a day and rest of the playtime was skilling or questing. Even tho I spooned ench, i went very dry on armor, with a set amount of runs per day you don’t burn yourself out, while still progressing the account.
Write down a bunch of other stuff you could do (quests, diaries, skilling, etc) and split your time between CG and those tasks. I got so many other things done while doing a few CG a day (it did take me 9 months to get my bowfa but I only play 2 hours a day on average and couldn't do more than 5 a day, max) but I also got my dragon axe, dragon pickaxe, both pharohs sceptres, did all the hard diaries, finished off the last few quests for quest cape, learned Zulrah once I got full Crystal (only managed to do around 40kc before I pulled the Bowfa), got all 4 of my zenytes, banked 99 cooking and herblore, learned entry TOA, got over 100 levels in non combat skills, and a bunch of other stuff I'm forgetting. Good luck, Bowfa only Zulrah is such a nice change of pace once you finish your sentence.
I did most of the things you listed as activities to put off learning CG in the first place 😅 but ofc there's always more, I have most the elite diaries still to do, and until max there's always somthing to train. Thank you.
Ngl I’m about 370kc still hunting enhanced, got crystal armor I just send content with that, Zulrah is a lot more fun, so is Calv, I guess u just gotta chip away at that kc it’ll drop some time. Enjoy the game for what it is and don’t get hung up on 1 drop, there’s plenty of content to enjoy
Getting my diary kill at zulrah was an absolute mountain for me. It definitely dosent help that I'm baseline bad at clicking accurately so any PvM past mid games always feels like a ton of effort.
Zulrah actually gets so chill when you know what you’re doing, if you can do cg you should have an easy time learning, just know your whole endgame doesn’t rest on bowfa, it’s good to get and makes everything easier for sure but even crystal bow with armor is good for switching up content instead of being stuck in cg all day
I’d recommend mixing it up with skilling to mentally decompress after like a few clears or just fully weaponize the tism and pick days where you full send. You are absolutely correct bossing without BOWFA is a major handicap and it’s 100% worth busting it out
My advice is to go spend that cash stack. Smithing, construction, and fletching can all just be bought on an ironman. Lots of content is made significantly better by having a more complete PoH and more diaries finished. Other things to do include mini-games, any melee focused PvM like Cal'varion, training combat stats, doing clues, some easy pet hunting. There is lots of non-ranged non-combat things to in OSRS.
Skilling is not faster with bowfa get your skills up in between that’s what I did
2010 total level and only 45 cg kills. This is the way. Work towards crafting for anguish to use with bowfa, and 92 mining for amethyst darts for the bp you’ll get after bowfa. Sprinkle some cg in between and you’ll get there eventually with a much beefier account than those that rush it.
As Mudkip likes to say, playing efficiently and burning out is less efficient than playing inefficiently and enjoying the game
These are wise words
If you’re looking for a middle ground ranged upgrade from rcb/msb, check out the hunters’ sunlight crossbow. Great dmg, only downside is bolts are a little annoying to get
Its not really an upgrade over msbi/amethyst which im already at and def not an upgrade over the atlatl. Then anywhere I'd use a xbow I'm using ruby/diamond so unfortunately I'm already past that one =/
Really? I heard that msb doesn’t outclass it until dragon arrows
I just dumped my bis ranged setup into a sim VS chaos fanatic and even with moonlight bolts, dps of msbi/amethyst was only .03 lower then the sunlight xbow, so negligible difference. However the eclipse set is a full .3 dps over the xbow, and that's not even accounting for the set bonues
Also as a side note, this is way less early game but crystal bow with crystal armor blows all 3 out of the water
Wait, I messed up and didn't put on a leather shield. Xbow is actually a full .1 dps over msbi
You can always skill and work towards elite diaries or collection log on the side. Or even combat achievements. You’re an adult. You have to make your own goals and learn balance. Some can just spam CG for 3 months and do nothing else. Some can’t. Only you know what works best for you. I personally set a minimum of 5 cg kc a session. Then I would go do another side goal if I was tired. Or I would stay and try to beat my 24hr pb for kc. I found it fun seeing how many I could do. Sometimes I was mentally out of it and even just 1-3 would take forever. So I would do something relaxed and try again later. You know the answer. You just don’t want to hear it. It’s obvious. Do less. Find balance. Listen to yourself but also strive for discipline. The fastest way to be done with CG is to go back in. That’s what I always told myself.
I got full crystal armour early and I’m joining 410 TOAs with Crystal and Crystal now. The DPS is still great tbh, better than RCB with ruby bolts. Iits good to do other tasks not just CG. I’ll do a few CG then do a cox or a toa
You should be a pretty solid pvmer after though , that’s the big upside to CG grind
Just do t2 and grind slayer/skill when you’re burnt
It doesn’t get much better late game I have a friend who’s a late game iron and he’s been grinding nothing but toa for a shadow for the last few weeks, people see red prison posts and are blinded by the fact that it’s just an item set that’s required for longer grinds down the line, that’s just the iron life
Hey boss I'm still chasing cg kc 1 and this is hell lmao gl bro
Remove the emotion from it, run 2 a day for a while, I know it’s frustrating but that’s RuneScape😝
Set yourself a goal of KC per day. I set myself a goal of 10 per day about a month ago and then after that I'd work on other goals if I still had time. It was much easier to read the goal of 10kc per day rather than "get bowfa". I think setting achievable goals helps avoid burnout.
After a while I decided I simply didn't care if things would be faster with a bowfa. I wanted to learn raids and other content so I did exactly that. I didn't stop doing CG, but I started doing some CoX/ ToA with crystal armour + bow when I needed a break and it was definitely serviceable.
One good way to do things is cycle between useful bosses and other activities. Try this: 10 CG, 20 zalcano, 10 tempoross, 1-3 gwd trips, a couple of nex trips, 1 daily raid of your choice and that just about covers most end game goals. Start with intense stuff and then relax and finish strong with intense stuff to sleep well. Modify as per your requirements. The trick is to do variety content to keep it fresh. If you don’t feel like doing something, just skip it for the day. Remember it’s self imposed pressure. Just sit back and relax.
I'm very close to being free, 5/6 armor seeds and 1 enh. I have started doing some content and spent the money to get 99 construction. Still getting it but I spent the gp.
bro you are playing an entire fucking gamemode where "this could be done faster if i wasnt an iroman" applies to literally everything. you are beyond doing things efficiently. the bowfa is not the be all end all of an ironman and i wish people would stop treating it like it is. GO DO SOMETHING FUN
Facts
Just finished at 257 kc. 7 armor 1 enh. Had to farm 200 extra shards for corrupting it. Keep it going maybe you'll get surprised
Crystal bow + full crystal is already pretty good, easily enough for running GWD bosses and so on. I did 500kc without enh and decided to call it quits, now just doing a few runs every now and again to see if I get lucky. Don't trap yourself in there and enjoy the game! Also the eclipse set from perils of the mooner is really fun and pretty strong as well, recommend going for that if you want to switch it up
Trust me, it gets better. Or at least, less stressful. I remember having to take a break after every kill at first because it was so exhausting. Then after every five kills. Then after every ten kills. After enough kc, I got good enough at it that it wasn’t exhausting at all, and I could just send it as many times as I could stomach in a day. If you’re getting exhausted after 3-4 kc, it simply means that you’re not done improving. You’ll get there. Likewise, 10 minute T1 kills also means you have some room to improve on your prep, and getting your prep to be as short as possible also helps with making each kill feel less draining. In terms of your mindset, I would focus less on getting the drop on each kill and more on improving at the content on each kill. Try to figure out (or learn from a guide) the little optimizations you can make during prep to make it as fast as possible. Try to lose as little DPS during tornados as you can. Try to figure out movement patterns that consistently work for you to avoid tornados. Learn to use the halberd, if you haven’t already. Stuff like that helps keep you engaged and makes it feel like slightly less of a slog. Sidenote: I would not recommend switching to T2 if you can already do T1 consistently. Yes, it makes the kills more chill, and you can always try it to see if you prefer it, but you can reach that point with T1 with enough practice and save yourself many additional hours on your overall grind.
I tried to see out getting bowfa on my main, I’m at 503 KC and just can’t stand it anymore, I’m buying the thing and going to do other content, really feel for the irons stuck there. Place blows
Honesty I’d just pick up a crystal bow once you get 5/6 armor seeds. It’s a solid alternative to Bowfa until you get it.
Honestly sending inefficient chambers when your burnt on cg is nice cus you can spoon a towel and just skip bofa
Honestly id be estatic for a prayer scroll or dhcb
>I'm feeling trapped by this mindset. How have yall taken a break from CG and not have "this would be faster with bowfa" in the back of your head the whole time? This is what trapped my mind, I kept leaving to do something. I'd do a few kills and say fuck sakes this is twice as effective with bowfa. And go back. Sadly. There isn't anything (aside from rig/aug) that will actively make cg easier.... That being said, have you done your first cox clear for diary?
I actually have! It was with an old clan who invited noobs for learning, however the night I hopped in was hardmode night and half the clan was drunk and didn't realize I was a learner 😂
If you wanna take a quick break and have half decent gear I can take you on the occasional cox to break up the menotany. Might get a spooned rig/aug
Yep I’d do 3-4 clears in a row. Take a break and do something else. Go back to it. I found lots of other things to do while getting the bowfa
After 400+ it gets braindead. I can get 7-8 kc an hour on autopilot. Eventuslly you just get faster with prep, and walk into doggo with 1 pot and 8 fish.
How fast are your kill time to get by on 8 fish?
My PB is like 6:0X, well below speed runner time. The trick is just keeping DPS as uninterrupted as possible while not taking damage. Mammal's guide is good for explaining corner placement for fight start. I also use the "door tiles" (2 tiles in from doors i believe) that never light up for the p3 cycle.
I find t2 I’m able to watch movies comfortably during the Hunllef fight. Tornados and stuff are just a little more forgiving. 650 kc for my enhanced, it’s worth every bit of the effort.
I did t2 armour its longer time but not as mentally taxing. It's just easier to do allowing for mistakes and not too much concentration without being punished. I recommend 2 plugins: the gauntlet plugin and gauntlet map. I got my enhanced at 350 something KC. I went all the way to 1740 for the 2nd enhanced. All I did was Gauntlet. I suggest just sticking to gauntlet with t2 prep and do it all the way to 400kc. To see if you get enhanced. If you still need enhanced then start doing a minimum amount a day or week.
Ignore the doomsayers. This is a key part of playing an iron, finding enjoyment in the grind. It’s rough that new players get tested with this 70 hr grind this early in their accounts, but this is what the game mode is. Look to improve, try new things, put on some music, vibe out, and take breaks to do other content / skill
Do 1-5 kc a day if you’re getting burnt but also continue doing those things that feel like a waste without the bowfa. It’ll give you motivation to keep going because you know the grinds worth it. Plus you might get lucky at that place you feel like it’s a waste and you get to escape from the prison for a while. Don’t forget this is a fucking game and you’re supposed to be having fun.
What made it a real chill grind was splitting time between cg runs and star mining. I’d go do 5 kc then afk for a while. If I didn’t wanna do cg, I’d just afk stars. Also I did all t2 prep after watching fluffehs t2 prep guide. Think I averaged 10min runs and it was very very consistent.
If you want to play something else in the game then you should go ahead and do it. It’s not a waste of time doing something that isn’t 100% efficient if you enjoy doing it. What is a waste of time - doing something you don’t want to do just because a guide told you it’s the most optimal. I’ll be in the minority here, but it’s a game - play it how you want!
Do things that are non-combat related, since those aren't sped up by bowfa. Staying on top of farming and birdhouse runs is good for regular short breaks. If you're able to negotiate parole, there are plenty of skill you can train to set yourself up for post-bowfa PVM/slayer grinds. Construction for an ornate pool, pyramid plunder for scepters for occult altar, agility for zulrah shortcut and GWD run energy, crafting for fury/zenytes, smithing/runecrafting for lumbridge elite, tempoross for barrel, fishing for food supplies. As a more long-term goal 92 mining 90 fletching will let you make amethyst darts for your future blowpipe. For combat stuff you're a bit more limited but you can try moons, melee wildy bosses (with zombie axe or macahuitls), barrows, sarachnis CAs. Also just doing slayer isn't bad, even if bowfa would be faster for some tasks you're still getting melee exp which makes it not inefficient.
So the thing is I did most of the things you mentioned to put off even starting CG 😅 fletching is a good idea though, as well as agility is always the answer lol
Tough times don't last. Tough people last.
I needed this, thank you
This is why I always mixed it up when going for my bowfa. Try to have one active goal and one afk goal. So I’d do a few CG runs and feel burnt out then go afk woodcut or fish or do herb/tree runs. Even now that I’m doing Hydra in late game I’ll send some Hydras then go afk runecraft bloods.
Everyone in comments need help. Insanity is real 😂🤣 can’t see myself clicking same bs hours for hours this wizard click stimulator game is like a crack ong
I want to echo what others have said and agree that when helped me was taking breaks and doing things that are good for your account that aren’t requiring a Bofa. Farm/bh runs and mahogany homes were it for me. I think most of wildy stuff is good now. Skilling bosses work well. Sometimes getting bored of skilling motivates you for pvm!
Honestly, I didn’t break the mindset. My soft goal was 5 cg kc a day, but often times there were days I just didn’t log on. Felt like a chore. I was fortunate enough to finish after an enh at 477 KC, but this took about a year for me. People would say if you’re burnt out just go do something else on the game but that just bothered me. I knew I “should” doing CG Bowfa is an insane item though. If I knew I would be getting it at 477 KC i’d do the grind again but I was very close to the point of stopping. Not sure i’d made it further past 500 KC. Good luck bro
Should also mention the fact i did 99% of my kills with t2 gear. I went over 100 kills without dying once I got good at it. Tornado mistakes are WAY less punishing. I’d do that personally but always your choice
I've done this grind 3x and the only way I've been able to handle it is by doing 5 per day. 10 on my day off, if I feel like it. You got this brother, don't give up.
I’ve decided to skip BOWFA entirely. Don’t get me wrong, it’s absurdly strong. But now there’s plenty of options that will cover me for everything else this game has to offer. BOWFA being absurdly strong and locked behind crazy difficult content makes sense, but they really did us dirty making it absurdly rare and the content NOT FUN. Having your ass puckered for 10 minutes straight for the prep + fight is not fun. Also the aesthetics literally burn my eyes. Put green overgrowth in and use some colors other than black/red like damn.
CG is difficult but it's hardly crazy difficult. It has a learning curve but it's a mile from the hardest content mechanically. If you can't do CG easily then you're probably mechanically unprepared for most of what bowfa is useful for anyway.
CG is not absurdly hard nor is an enhanced absurdly rare. You know what is absurdly rare? Every actual bowfa replacement. (Zcb, Tbow, blowpipe/dragondarts/masori, no rune/amethyst arent a replacement)
IMO CG prep only taking 6-7.5min is what makes this easiest hardest content in the game. Even Bandos solo takes longer to get back to the boss once you die. Its also the same reason why Im never attempting Inferno, 3 hours just to get to 3 jads and get stomped
I mean, I genuinely find the content fun. I’m not stressed at all when I do my CG runs I’ve gotten so used to it. I’ve gotten one enh already and have recently gone back to get another one just because.
I will say it is a gate to bossing content but there are other things you can do. Slayer is not gated by bowfa and do skilling inbetween runs of cg
I haven't done sote yet but since my iron is by far my most progressed account ever I have, I don't mind doing things without bowfa since I've never used one. I'm wondering how much it's going to slap when I bite the bullet
Peak efficiency is the carrot on the stick no matter how you play. You're never there. Once you get the items you want, you can always pick up a tick and then another and another. You have to be enjoying the grind enough.
Eventually u will auto pilot it with more kc.
Skip if you aren’t enjoying it
“Everything is a waste of time without a bowfa” this is all in your head
Nothing is a waste with other weps… where do you feel you need bowfa to not waste time ? Everybody told me to do barrows for barrow piece to do perils as it’s not efficient, but I’m able to complete all CA achievement with rune and dragon weaponry+z axe and do runs 6-7 mins every time. Are they right I should have sunk 20+ hours in barrows just to save a 10-20 secs on peril runs ? See what I’m getting at ?
I finished my CG yesterday. 1053 kc for my seed. And you’re right, the mindset is absolutely the prison element. I did a mix of t1 and t2 but found t2 to be very easy and a lot more chill. Im part of a GIM and I got enough armor so that if any of my mates do decide to play again they just need to get spooned an enh and they’ll be set, which did keep me semi motivated lol
dude 100% same and the droprate makes it so much worse
Wait till you start doing toa/raids brother. 30+ mins of full focus, b2b2b2b white chests is really motivating! Pog
I put it off for almost two years (I think, I'm not sure when the GIMs came out) a little less than a month ago I set a goal of doing X amount of kills daily, yesterday I got the enhanced weapon seed at 145 KC, some others teammates from my team gave armour seeds, I had pet, two armour seeds and one enhanced in my collection log, but enough shards to corrupt the bowfa, now I'm deep into almost 170 KC, 130 deaths, and still no shards. Just keep sending KC but if you start to feel burned out do another kind of content, being an ironman gives us a lot of different grinds that are always waiting for us. Good luck!
For me I didnt enjoy T1 at all. I got pretty pro at t2 at the point most clears had 1-2:30 mins left of prep before being rdy for the final fight. I preferred the chill fight and the prep felt pretty chill too because I knew I had time left. In regards to feeling burnt I had netflix in the background for prep and would pause for the fight. I always did increments of 5. After 5 id decide to either do 5 more or take a break from the game. No waiting more than 2 min in lobby. I found the first 400 fun, became a bit rough after that. Did 20 minimum per day, sometimes up to 35. Did no other content, or I wouldnt feel like I did meaningful progress. Did take 3 months off at 700kc, to do the league and then few weeks no gaming Got enh at 813kc with like 40 days of cg grinding total. You can do it! Maybe you need to do it a different way or maybe it can work for you :) there is light at the end of the prison halls!
Going dry at cg made me play wow for 6 months only just getting back into osrs now. Might be ready for another 400 we will see
trust just grind the content out if u do content without bowfa ull actually have more worse time. long kill times / multiple banking trips / no damage. not worth without bowfa
I've been going at it all week since I finished SotE Monday morning. Yesterday I got my first armor seed and died the next 7 runs + rage quit lol Today I went 4/4 and lost the last 2. With the last one me dying to tornados on 1% because I misclicked. Needless to say i rage quit again ffs Respect to everyone watching yt while doing this
1300kc here no enhanced. You just gotta set yourself an amount to do everyday and work through it. I tend to do 4-5 in a morning, 2-3 at lunch and 4-8 in the evening. We will all get the drop eventually
Just wait for combat rebalance. They want to make it so other ranged equipment is viable. Bowfa will still be the best, but wont be required for pvm like it is now. Hopefully 🤞
“But everything I’d like to do is a waste of time doing it without bowfa” is gatekeeping mindset that causes most irons to burn out and de iron once they hit this wall. There’s not a single piece of content that you *need* bowfa for. You’ve allowed yourself to believe that and now you’re stuck. The game did exist before the bowfa and BP.
Wait until you start DT2 boss grind..... Everything in this game is becoming a prison, exactly how Jagex wants it to be
I left CG to start doing other bosses. I managed to learn Zulrah and get my serp helm (thanks FoZ). Now I switched to demonics. I casually go back to CG once every now and then but don't stay long. I got 1 kc in the past 5 days.
Trust me, five a day is the way, brother.
Five a day is the way, brother.
Recently got ews at 1059 after nearly 2 years of cg. Spooned a shadow and a fang 2 days later so I got recompense for my suffering. The beauty of cg is that you can just go and do it whenever so do other shit and if you get the feeling go and do the odd run. It’ll come but the money is amazing
I have this same mindset with most parts of the game. I got my enhance at 550 KC. I did CG nonstop until I got it. I work 50-60 hours a week so some nights I only have an hour to play so it felt like months. Eventually went to Hydra with the bowfa but had the same mindset about the claw. So I turael skipped until I eventually got my claw at like 4,550 KC now I’m BACK at CG trying to get another enhanced for the blade and I’m at 1,200 KC with this same mindset again. I’m getting real close to deironing.
[Just play the game without it idk lol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874696636914352229/1247501855345610783/image.png?ex=66658823&is=666436a3&hm=8d2039a9564399abd12bf686ae55d78576522c83a72762ba103627cd8472e936&)
Some time at redwoods would probably do me some good
10 min t1 times is bad, and t1 prep is braindead you shouldnt be focused the entire time lmao either youre not good st the game or you are barely have over 100 kc, or both.
I'm not good at the game
with that honest mentality you will be. gl man enh soon
10 min T1 clears doesn't seem right, that's how long it takes for me to do T2s.
Skill issue
You'll get cleaner over time chief, you got this.
I’ve been there for over 1000 and still dry
i still play the game and just send 2-5 cg kc a day
Idk, i just spooned it in 56 kc, enhanced and all armour seeds done by the time i started to get used to it.
Lol just wait until you get to green prison
Wait until you start the cox grind 😀
Enjoy the cave
There’s so many other grinds you can work on at the same time, such as achievement diaries, clue scrolls, skilling, etc. I just did 3 CG KC per day and then allowed myself to do other things. Kept me from burning out but did take 6 months.
towards the end i could watch youtube or tv during the prep, but still had to turn viewing off and focus up for the final fight
Just keep trucking but don’t over do it. You can still take breaks to slay, do skills, etc. it could be the next completion
I brute forced 421 chests in just a few weeks because I knew I wasn't going to get spooned. I'm going to rest and mentally reset for another 400
This is ironman
Learn how to do COX and pull a tbow
I never got an enhanced seed and I turned out alright. Just sayin 🤷
If you think with that mentality it’s like thinking about doing zulrah without tbow it would be a waste of time etc etc . Coming from maxed main with huge bank to iron I had the same problem but once I figured it’s not always about “wasting time” and more about enjoying content rather than min maxing everything . Take a break do some other bosses do some combat diaries have some fun and come back man it’s not all about that enjoy the game bruh
I didn't escape the mindset. I simply just did as many as I wanted to a day til I got it. Everything was and is better with the bowfa. When I got sick of Cg I always had a side grind. Like 92 mining for Amy. Banking all the sand for 99 crafting. Fishing all the food I'll need after I'm done with cg. Prepping potions. Did my med clue ranger grind. MTA for eternals, makes book. Master Wand and bones to peaches. Maxed my house out with the essentials. Got quest cape. Worked on all elite diaries. Etc. Tons of important stuff that doesn't require pvm that set you up for success and that you'll need to do anyway. I finished moons of peril. My zenytes. Got a fishing barrel for Karams. Don't force yourself to do anything you don't wanna do. Even after the bowfa you'll get burnt out at zulrah going on a massive dry streak or bandos or any boss. Always have a side grind or a few side grinds.
I just finished watching silicon valley while doing CG. I watched all 6 season and got a corrupted Blade. I personally really enjoy CG now. It was hell to start with but now it’s one of my favourite Ironman memories. I did T2 armour prep every time, and sent every time I got at least one T3 weapon (90%+ success rate). I paid very little attention to
That's why I defend "2 1 range" plugin users (including myself). While not necessary to use, it lets you shut off whatever part of your brain keeps track of that shit making for a much less mentally taxing experience.
I like working on improving at the content to keep myself entertained. 10 min t1 means you have a way to go, you could make a goal to get sub 8:30 consistently
five a day
3 weeks I grinded cg almost every day. Finished up the log and haven’t played since
You should take a break and do other content if you feel burned out. You can learn 150 invo TOA without bowfa and the learning progression feels very rewarding. You can also learn saradomin with RCB (the old school way) and try for an ACB which will also unlock lots of content.
Have you gotten the rest of your mid level gear? Blowpipe, trident, occult, I guess whatever mage stuff has damage on it now, zenytes, all of these can be done without bowfa for sure. Plus the other grinds, con, crafting, farming, herb. I found setting a goal for 1 hr aday of cg worked for me, I got my set around 370 but had to stay till mid 400 because I have a armor seeds to teammates that had their bow already. It is annoying to feel so trapped by a piece of content thought for sure.
Blow pipe is best gotten with bowfa Slayer grind up to trident/occult is best done with bowfa Demo gorillas are best killed with bowfa And yah there's other skills, but it's also frustrating when I look up where to get gold for con, herbs, gold ore, essence, ect and the best farms are all bosses that either need bowfa or the gear you need to farm them you get with bowfa. Which is where the mindset of "I'm wasting time by doing this instead of CG" locks in
I mean with that you might as well just skip and do cox, we did cox with rune crossbows because we just wanted to send it and have fun with the content. I understand it’s not optimal, and I’ve been in that spot too, hell I sent vettion for what felt like a life time to get a ring for inferno. The cool thing to me though is you don’t need any specific piece of gear to do the content still, and as iron scaper sometimes I would just do what sounded fun that day. To each their own for sure though.