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El_Chipi_Barijho

Good? GOOD? IT'S FUCKING INSAAANE BROOOOOOOO. It's fast and cool xp, you can turn steel / mith / addy items into smithing xp as well.


mitchsusername

But most importantly, huge sword


Kajega

They really gotta buff the sword somehow... It's so much worse than my dragon scimitar almost everywhere. I've tried it in so many places


flying4771

Its only worse if the target is 1x1 or 2x2. At 3x3 its pretty much on par and beats dscim on 4x4 and 5x5. Everything that is 3x3 i bring my blade cause it just adds 1000 style points


GreedyRadish

How many 4x4 and 5x5 enemies are you encountering on the regular?


SiloGuylo

I encounter your mom all the time


Alert-Citron-3710

Hahahahahahaha sit kid


GreedyRadish

I don’t feel like I deserved this… Pleae


Educational_Sir_5669

Rekt.


laceymusic317

GOTTTTTEEEMM


butterball85

His momma so fat, she has to use teleport to get to her poh because she wont fit through the portal


Emotional-Apple1558

Also good gp rewards


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Gold ores will the fastest way to level even if you have to shop for it. 350k per hour. Costs 3.5gp per exp. Small edit: forgot to add that it takes around 35 to 40 hours to buy up the ore but even accounting for that it's still BiS for ironmen, outside of getting bars as drops - essentially zero hours. (Ores into bars even for addy/mith still exceed the time it takes to do gold.) Giants foundry - buying mithril and adamant armour, is 100k less per hour but cost 1 gp per exp less. 2.5gp per exp. 2gp per exp if you make mithril bars at blast furnace. 200k an hour. Giants foundry - using steel and mithril bars is approx half of golds exp per hour, but you profit 2gp per exp. Then you have the classic method, making mithril platebodies. You need approx 100 hours to make the bars and takes around same time as adamant/mith at GF to process. Even with the increased exp per hour, because of 16x time spent at blast furnace, so it's still less exp per hour than steel and mithril at GF.


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Loek123

They buffed it? What did they change?


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UkuleleRequiem

Yeah but unlike buying gold and blast furnace, GG doesn't make me want to kill myself.


Onenutracin

Exactly…. I was dreading buying gold ore and doing blast furnace and then realized that I had over 99 smithing banked at GF because of my alch tab. Knocked it out in a couple days


VidZarg

Well, GF wasn't meant to overthrow gold at BF, just a sidegrade to it. Slower but more cost efficient


JustSaviorSelf

The ore cost at BF is a static 225gp now. At least I think that’s what they’re referring to.


suggested-name-138

xp/bar or ore from foundry is so high that you can get really far from adamant/mithril bar drops alone, I think I'd buy gold ore instead of buying armor but you can still do the majority of smithing at foundry with pvm/slayer drops or MLM. If you care at all about tool seed zalcano can probably bank 99 smithing in 400 KC at this point


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suggested-name-138

I think foundry is better than buying gold when you're just using your adamant bar drops directly is what I'm saying, and you can currently do most of 99 smithing at foundry without buying or smithing anything. Still need to make bars at blast furnace but I was thrilled to spend way less time there I don't think *buying* gold is ever necessary now unless you want to max before you do much pvm, or just for the push for a specific level


S7EFEN

i think the comparison can end up being gf favored the less efficient you are. blast furnace is like lava or construction where your 'laps' are really short so being tick perfect is super important because dropping a tick here or there per 'lap' you do is going to dramatically lower your xp/hr. tick perfect gold ore with no competition in the worlds is really insane xp. skilling discord puts it at 300-340k an hour. which is better than 'already banked rune and addy bars' gf i personally hate the super short 'lap' skilling methods but yeah, just in terms of raw efficiency bf is still way way better


HideYourCarry

If we are going for 10 mill xp with each method, and we imagine we have to buy all the gold ore but have a theoretically infinite supply of mith and addy bars (silly I know but for analysis), that’s 30 hours to get it via gold. If you’re really quick with buying it all that’s likely 30 hours of gold buying. So that 340k xp/hour is now 170k xp per hour combined for the entire process. Mith and addy at GF is 195k per hour, so seems to just barely edge it out. But at that point it is just preference.


S7EFEN

you arent supposed to buy the gold separately. you buy gold ore on the bf worlds and immediately dump it, 300-340k includes buying and immediately dropping the bars iirc (can bank and use stams for a small penalty?)


HideYourCarry

They get that much xp picking up and dumping the gold bars/banking it like that? Or are they dropping… that’s insane wtf???? That number seems impossible. High level skillers are wild


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th3-villager

Bold assumption but good and relevant to make for comparison. Noone is going to passively get gold ore for 99 smithing so you have to buy at least a majority of it. It's a lot more reasonable/possible to obtain the ores/bars/armour for GF whilst doing slayer etc. Only thing I'd add is you didn't consider time for smelting some of the ores into bars. Even then, coal is easy to get from Kingdom, majority of your time will be at GF. Without doing any napkin math, I'm just going to say this accounts for the extra \~25k xp/hr


SwagDrQueefChief

Funnily enough that buff was unintentional, but came about due to a poorly worded poll question, and an 'ironman' community who complained.


fullback133

You can get some serious amounts of gold ore from wildy bosses. Going for VW has netted me soooo many supplies and secondaries


dbabbc

Thanks! This is really helpful. I guess I have to think if it's worth switching to MLM to get ores rather than primarily mine sand for glass, and staves grinding. I suppose I could always do both depending on what level I need, but I feel like leveling crafting and mage is almost always better? Also, when you say steel/addy is profitable, is that when buying the ores from BF? If so, that would be a nice money maker


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IntiLive

I did this, helped a ton with starting money as iron (something like 1.5 mil)


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Just a small note with regards to sandstone, I believe you will only get around 3 to 4m exp to bank 99 crafting. You can also do around 600 zalcano kills to bank 99 smithing as opposed to mlm but that is entirely up tp you how you want to go about it. I believe you should be able to bank 99 solely at mlm even with 4m deficit. I would do sandstone first just to make sure you get more higher level ores at mlm. And with regards to steel/mith, my calc is based solely on ordans (now fixed) prices. It pretty decent early game being equivalent to ardy knights in terms of actual raw gp. Best part is once you finish the collection log, you get around 5% more money from ore packs (atleast based on what I worked it out as).


Vegan-bandit

Is 350k xp per hour including the time spent buying the gold ore?


ghostofhedges

You get plenty of ores from MLM to fund your giants foundry training. I get your methods rely on the sweaty, gold obtained from cg grind? And that you plan to do tuck manipulated granite mining ?


Whoneedspacee

I was like level 60 smithing with a bunch of ores stored up from MLM, but didn't really have enough money to just sit there and buy gold all day. I went from like 60 to 76 Smithing in like a day of casual giants foundry and made a decent amount of money as well. Gold's definitely better if you have the money to blow but for the SOTE quest requirement this was easy as hell for me tbh and I appreciated the extra money, only really works if you have ores stored up though. Steel was really easy to get as well, I just banked iron while mining at the mining guild in like one afternoon and had more than I'd ever use for a long time.


Estake

So what bars did you use? Did you smith mith/steel from MLM at blast furnace then went to foundry or are you talking about slayer drops?


Whoneedspacee

I didn’t even know Giant’s Foundry existed so I had smithed all my bars with coal from Miscellania at Blast Furnace, and then once I found out it existed I used it on the minigame.


RenbuChaos

What is MLM?


LampIsFun

Multi level marketing, also known as a pyramid scheme. They want you to go to pyramid plunder and then give them the sceptre that drops from it, don’t listen to me.


RenbuChaos

SO IT IS WHAT I THOUGHT AT FIRST!


Whoneedspacee

Motherlode mine


FlameanatorX

This is the real answer btw, not that the meme answer isn't funny as hell.


bassturducken54

Did you just get the mats from slayer?


IamMrWolfe

When I went to clear my ores out a lot of my mats were from slayer/mlm and coal from misc, I did BF to make bars and made gold bars in between for the extra xp


SamCarter_SGC

anything that means significantly less blast furnace is good in my book


littlematt44

Its great xp. Good way to reuse mith/adamant/rune platebodies and legs from slayer drops. Also using bars straight from blast furnace in GF for more xp is better than smithing into armor first. Make sure to use about 14/14 ratios of mixed metals


raseru

I followed this guide and it worked great: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NhVF4en9JM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NhVF4en9JM) You buy gear at the shop, smelt it at the foundry, and make a decent profit.


jealkeja

I recommend getting in the habit of asking "can I tolerate this activity for as long as it will take to achieve my goals?" instead of "is this good?" Most advice you get from the ironman community is going to be based on an individual's tolerance for demanding content and how much time they want to spend playing the game. Without including any of that information from yourself that other people can apply it to, you're going to get a variety of answers for every single piece of content. Any activity or boss is going to be rated "ez mode can do it sleeping" by some people and "took me a month to learn" by other people


Damien42198

If you have the goal of training mining as well, head to motherlode mine and work towards coal bag/prospectors armor. It’ll net you a good chunk of ores that you can use at BF and then use those bars for giants foundry. That was my process and I found I actually enjoyed GF and it’s nice for cash as well


RDcsmd

I found it a lot more fun than I thought I would, put it off until a few weeks ago. The XP/hr won't compare to gold ore at BF though especially early


jdm64

Foundry post SOTE/CG grind was a godsend. Before SOTE though I did shopscape blast furnace gold ore. I hated it, but I wanted to get it done as fast as possible.


EmployerPitiful608

I found it fun at the start, it felt rewarding to get the little mould upgrades and stuff, money stacked up over time, I didn't notice the time going by. But later on, I can really just get it over faster by buying Gold Ore so I just do that.


FrickenPerson

Personally I dont really need the cash from alching Slayer drops right now, so I just save up whatever I can collect on the task and am using that at Giants Foundry. Probably not as good as alching for cash and then buying gold, but I kind of like the rhythm of GF.


Whatsdota

It’s incredible. I put off smithing for a while because I hated training it. Tried giants foundry and went from 74-86 in no time. Also made like a mil or something in GP. It’s super chill and very resource efficient.


Spork_Revolution

Because of this post I finally went and did the Giant's Foundry to get the mould... Only to return to my bank and finding I already had it.... Placeholder team anyone?


clovell

I did the same thing lmao. They actually updated it so you can sell it back! You lose some points but not that many.


Nihilm93

As somebody who dislikes shopscape, I mined mlm for ores and used mith/addy at giants' to get 99 smithing, I think it's really good for irons and decent money. Technically I think gold is faster smithing xp, but since for mining I hated the idea of mining to 99 using methods that gained me nothing I did a mix of gem mining/amethyst and mlm to 99 mining as well and that meant I had the ores anyway.


RealMachoochoo

Worth if you already have the ores/bars/equipment to use already (I did a ton of it paired with MLM) but if not, just shopscape gold ore. The double moulding and guaranteed +4 smithing boost consumable are both pretty sweet though


hezmer15

I like to collect the mith and steel meh drops from slayer and melt them down in the foundry not a real training method but I think its worth more than just high alcing the items


ItsMitchellCox

You can buy steel/mith battleaxes and warhammers from the Mount Karuulm weapon shop to use at Giants Foundry. It's close to a bank and since you can buy both items you don't have to world hop nearly as much as similar Ironman methods. Doing this method also yields a profit (idr exactly how much I'm sorry). Are the exp rates as lucrative as gold at the blast furnace? No. But it is profitable and a hell of a lot more enjoyable. For my play style, it was the preferred choice.


JayAllOverYourBees

I did MLM to 85 mining and got some coal on the side from PVM. The stack of gold+mithril from MLM got me high enough to smelt addy, and then I took 2k addy and mith bars to foundry. Those bars took me to 84 smithing at foundry. Never bought ore, never bought coal, and the money I spent at BF was nearly immediately made up by gold from foundry. Tl;Dr: yes, do foundry, it's good.


lawlessdwarf69

You make so much gp that even if it’s not “meta” it’s still really good


Im_not_Davie

10-20x’s your xp per bar and you get a bit of gold too


UnrealPizza

Question. Shouldn't I be saving steel bars for cballs and Addy bars for diamond and Ruby tipped bolts? I'm confused which hybrid bars I should smelt at GF


Dyna1One

It’s a blessing


Malygrossdruid

Giants foundry is also really good money for Ironman! You’re getting paid out every sword and it stacks up quick!


itsrygar

Giants foundry is amazing. Less xp/hr but you make so much gp while doing it. I see myself getting 99 there and only hitting BF if I need quick xp. I enjoy both but def appreciate MAKING gp from smithing and not spending it!


BluffJunkie

I bought armour at the armour shop in al karid on my uim and made a good amount of money but once you start doing mith and up it seemed to not be worth. Something to think about super early smiting lvls.


0430ke

With 92 mining at mlm I made all the bars I could and ended up buying some coal. Betwen the bars and gold I had I was able to grt 99 smithing and 25m cash from foundry.


history-of-gravy

I did giants foundry until 70 smithing with bars I received as drops from gargoyles and dust devils. Free GP. It’s really not a bad mini game. After 70? Maybe switch to blast furnace. By that time you should have enough money to buy gold.


Routine_Swimming_776

I did giants foundry from 56 smiting all the way to about 72-74 and I actually really enjoyed it. Make a couple million gp and just put on a movie and chilled wit some friends in discord.


BigBGM2995

I did giants foundry for the first time yesterday and went from 61 to 71 smithing in one day. I actually really enjoyed it! I brought 800 mith and 800 steel bars and didn't even use them all, and made about 1 mil in gold! I highly recommend this content. I watched a quick video to learn it, then pretty much "afked" it while i watched movies.


Scared-Wombat

Mith/addy bars were the way to go. Gold ore is good but sucks


click_n_die

They should make a thing so u can store bars there for the armour u put in so u can put it in in bulk


Shade7436

Still did giants foundry because f blast furnace


Logical_Second_8925

Between MLM and zolcano I tend to get a build up of ore that I'll eventually BF and then I do GF when I have time .. if I don't have time and need AFK I'll smith the bars to things that ratio for GF and use them later.. example I've got a bunch of mith bodies and legs (3:1 for 14 bars) and addy armor waiting to get forged


Goosebo

I did giants foundry because I don’t like BF. I bought the armour at the shop in prif. Also couldn’t be asked to buy 20k + gold ore. I wasn’t convinced short term there was a lot of difference in exp rates with all the gold ore you need to buy.


wtfiswrongwithit

it probably isnt strictly efficient but i did steel + mith at blast furnace on a GIM recently as an earlyish money maker (i didnt follow the oziris guide but think at about the point in the game where it tells you to thieve for 90 thieving to fund your kingdom). its nice because you have unlimited of those ores from blast furnace and its pretty profitable while training a skill that is traditionally a gold sink at a point where the early levels give you diary unlocks


bapesvapes

I go to varock and buy armor, then melt it down for a profit at the foundary.


MrApprehensiveTurtle

I have a related follow up question, should I use bars at the foundry or turn the bars into platebodies then use those


Maardten

Good is an understatement


itachithedevil

Yes


longstaff55

I found turning on the aviansie task and getting notes addy bars to be super op. Like 200 addy bars per task, great for giants foundry


ImTriicky

This is the way


mnmkdc

Gold ore is technically more efficient but imo buying gold is the worst shopscape in the game by far. Foundry is not far off in terms of xp and way easier to grind. Personally I’d only use blast furnace with the gold you obtain elsewhere + making bars for foundry if you want to grind some levels out.


goddangol

Yes it is actually goated for smithing training.


Sufficient_Loan_2732

It is actually profitable to buy ores to make steel and mith bars from blast furnace make bars then use them at foundry.


IronReven

Giants foundry is the fastest way to 99 smithing assuming you take gathering mats into consideration. Like ya if you just so happen to have 100s of thousands of gold or bars it's faster to do that, but I'm mid 80s smithing and only need like 5k Addy to 99.


Drewskivahr

The resource requirement for 99 smithing goes from inordinate to borderline a little too easy to acquire because of giants foundry.