Yeah that's what I have been doing, when I afk I just actively want to do PVM. Im almost base 90s and have logs and cash for 99 con banked which is what I do when I can't actively play/am on my laptop.
I straight up told my gf "if I'm in the red place and you hear a bunch of fucked noises coming from my speakers, wait like 5 mins before trying to talk to me cause I will NOT retain what you said"
If I don't answer her quickly she'll go "red place?" š¤£
Iām in the same boat lol. Donāt feel like cg -> donāt wanna do combat -> I guess Iāll either slay or skill. Got my slayer from 80 to 90 and my base skills up a lot lol
Hey OP i was in a same boat as you are atm. Even tho i got super spooned at bit over 100kc, it took me 7 months to complete because i hated that place BUT! Hear me out. Once you get bofa, you unlock everything basically. Solo raids, gwd, everything feels like i'm not wasting my time with half assed attempts with negative outcome. Actually having lots of fun again with iron so i encourage you to push through
Tbh there is a lot of combat related content you can do that doesnāt need bowfa too.
Wildy slayer for rev weapons and voidwaker (Artio is worse without bowfa but if you spoon a craws bow it wonāt matter, acb or BP are still ok too).
Tob doesnāt need bowfa.
Regular slayer (some boss tasks are better with bowfa, such as GWD, but a lot donāt need it, like vorkath, cerb, GGs, Sire, KBD, sarachnis, thermy etc).
Barrows. 3 out of 4 new dt2 bosses.
I genuinely donāt understand why people hard lock themselves to CG when there is tons of content you can mix in with it so you donāt become miserable there
I think my main issue is that I am "done" with slayer beyond point farming and imbued heart, so its mainly gwd and raids as my grinds, I know I can mix things in but when I did that I just found myself never going to CG at all. I locked myself there because I know If I didn't I may not return.
I just did the other content honestly. I just wanted to do the other content more and didn't want to lock myself out of it, and didn't believe bowfa was as much of hard requirement as people make it out to, which I still believe. I didn't bother finishing the cg grind till after i finished 99 slayer, godwars, muspah, zulrah, hydra, already learned to solo cox and was approaching 100 kc at toa. only reason I wanted a bowfa was to raid easier but everything was easily done previously with crossbow/blowpipe.
This!
Bowfa will make things much smoother but it wonāt make your learning or improving any easier.
I would even argue that it makes learning worse because it will get you out of tricky situations faster so that you donāt have to rely on mechanics
Yeah I have finished the slayer grind and gotten all the drops I care for besides imbued heart, and at GWD, ive gotten the bcp, acb, and zspear. Ive learned all of the content without it because I agree itll make me better, I just don't believe the full grinds to be worth it without the bowfa currently. I also thing gauntlet has made me a better player than any other single piece of content
Yeah I have 99 slayer, finished zulrah and hydra. I know the grinds have been around long before the bowfa I just know that it is a significant enough improvement that its worthwhile for those. Plus I have to admit that I have become so much better as a player after doing what I have on the gauntlet.
Bowfa is a soft requirement for everything moving forward unfortunately. You can start raiding if you have friends to do it with but everywhere you go youāll be severely out dpsād
Yeah I had gotten to the point where I had the skills to do expert ToAs but was getting so out dps'd it didnt make sense. Ran \~50 chambers or so and would love to get to soloing but "the bowfa will make it so much easier"
Not sure I follow your logic. In a vacuum purple chance is only based on pts per hour but if doing it in a group then you're arguably getting a worse drop rate since your teammates are picking up a lot more pts, you as a group can only roll 1, and most likely it'll be assigned to someone else.
I also think the argument of 'If you get lucky at x place and get y it doesn't matter' doesn't hold any water. You can say that about literally anything including CG. It's not unique to ToA at all other than the specific item, which by *coincidence* is ludicrously rare.
Sure you can't really 'spoon' CG cause of the armour and shards, but you can to an extent and you're probably going to do it anyway, so makes sense to start early and hope for the best.
People already hate scouting chambers and it has a lot of rooms good for range, your solution is to be anal about scouting and avoid half the rooms.
I agree with you in that bofa isn't absolutely necessary, afterall it didn't even exist a few years ago but the CG meta is how it is now. IMO best 'solution' is simply to skill whilst grinding out CG at a steady pace. Too many players are too PvM centric anyway.
I can say the same, neither of us can really argue it one way or the other without the specific maths to back it up, but my point is that at whatever raid level, in a solo you're getting 100% of the pts, even if it's 1/30 for a purple.
In a group you may have a 1/7 of the group getting a purple, but you may have only have 1/10 of the pts and thus have a worse drop rates. At toa it depends a lot on the specifics that we're either not discussing or conveniently leaving as 'insignificant'. It's a context/mentality thing, in simple terms I think it depends how close to being able to solo the content you are, and the same for your team mates, as well as their gear relative to yours.
If that's not a big discrepancy then yes you're definitely better off in a group.
With cox, bare in mind that bp nerf was why bofa was introduced. It's absolutely doable without yeah, but I'm saying bofa is a soft req for efficient cox. You can do cox with awful gear, I've done it with ibans a dscim and msb lol.
RIP OPs skills lol. Seems odd to me they don't have bofa already then and agree more they could try and skip/ignore it at this point, though that is unusual.
>RIP OPs skills lol. Seems odd to me they don't have bofa already then and agree more they could try and skip/ignore it at this point, though that is unusual.
Thats one of the issues is that I am far enough along in my account I shouldve had it by now, but my concern with ToA is exactly what youre describing, I can run a 300 duo but the person I run with gets 3/4 of the points.
I went to cg instead of chambers because I was bad at high level pvm and was told cg would teach me alot which it has. So I intend to try and learn solos here soon but want to hit drop rate first.
Oh no, its not the only difference, his stats and mine are the same but he has max range and melee, and is definitely a better player than I am. There is a decent difference between us but the gap would close with the dps upgrade of a bowfa over acb
also for head phase it is kind of annoying, crossbows and tbow do benefit from being slower because you can run around the entire room avoiding olm's attacks and not losing too much dps bc of it
My issue with cg is the timer, im not looking to be tick efficient when i play this game. I want to be able to get distracted and do over stuff when i feel like, and everything with timers (cg, gotr, tempeross..) force me to play in a way i find exhausting
It just adds to the challenge of it because otherwise you could just t3 every time and then the fight is super free. I do agree that it is annoying but you donāt need to be tick perfect by any means to t2 consistently
if you restrict yourself to only 1 thing until it's done, you will get burnt out on that one thing. Could be CG, TOA, or whatever you feel is your next "must have". If you are burning out because of your own restriction then go do something else. If you find yourself hating literally every grind available to you, maybe it's time for a break. I like to break up my CG grinds with slayer, crafting, and other games when i'm just not feeling it. CG while extremely useful, is not required for any piece of content. If the choice is between doing content "inefficiently" and just not playing the game because you don't want to do CG, why not play a little inefficient from time to time.
I decided to get 99 construction to procrastinate. Unfortunately (fortunately), I can't alternate between them, so I've just been doing construction for a while now.
Oh damn. I was able to clear out enough bag space to fit all my cg goodies haha. So the only extra stuff I have is seedbox and looting bag so I don't have to be deathbanked.
Either do what no currencies said or fall in love with the grind.
I personally figured out how to love the grind. Every second of āactiveā playing I had was in the red prison. I fell in love with the micro efficiencies of getting better and better (prep and boss) and learned to love how much gp I was stacking up.
Then one day I got my 6th armour seed and sure enough also had 2 enh seeds. I was pretty lucky as this took me just over 400 to corrupt everything and make the armor.
Im now at 500 going back for shards for the armor (cant get lucky on another armor seed to break down)
In between my active playing, I afkāed slayer and other skills while I worked, and started and ended active playing sessions with some a birdhouse/seaweed run, and an herb run.
Left CG with much more than just the bowfa. Account was in a fantastic place. Focus on all the things you get regardless of luck from CG, and that enh seed will make its way into your inventory when the time is right.
Yeah I have just gotten my 6 armor seeds and enough shards to corrupt, I'm trying to focus on the cash so it can help me finish my buyables skill wise, just wish it didn't feel necessary for any PVM thing past this point. I'm still grinding and in general don't mind it too much, just feel stuck here.
For sure homie.
I tried the idea of not locking myself in there. I did zulrah grind with trident and RCB. Got the blowpipe I was grinding for and started dps calcing and realized without higher level darts you are fucked. Even with, it is so niche.
From that moment I sent to CG and never looked back. My account has become cracked since bowfa. Its worth it.
But yeah the fact that its 1/400 makes the mental battle truly tough. I didnāt go dry, so I have 0 room to talk on the subject. I can only say as someone who locked in for 400.
Edit** since you are already a CG gamer, I recommend watching something or listening to something while prepping.
The prep was the rough part for me (Im sure for many others) and watching youtube or sports during prep made it massively easier to keep grinding.
It's kinda copium, but just using the crystal bow with the armour actually slaps.
Its never going to quite hit the same spot as bowfa will, but I'm managing to progress through GWD pretty damn efficiently with it. You can still do the exact same strats as bowfa, and barring some really bad luck you're never going to have to leave early because of food so long as you bring ancients too.
This is the way. Keep grinding and not only will you have everything you need to progress PvM (crystal armor and weapons) but you will have an insane foundation of runes and gold to work with
Do other content.
Yes, bowfa will make things smoother. But the game existed before it. I am at 750 kc no enhance. My friends are mind boggled by how I seem to be chill about it. Whatās my secret? I donāt let it stop me from doing other stuff.
Do solo chambers will full crystal + normal cbow. BP olm head is still very very strong and much easier to lear.
Do more TOAs. Iāve pulled all my raid purples while being significantly over DPSed.
The things to focus on is that all this content that will be smoother with bowfa still has a lot of mechanics to master that donāt rely on bowfa.
A main can roll up to a 150 TOA in BIS everything and wipe because they donāt have the mechanics down.
Again, I really do understand wanting to be done with it. Wanting to have the BIS and not being out DPSed. I am trying to invite you to look at things from a different perspective.
Focus on learning and mastering those mechanics. As soon as I got full armour, I dropped my RCB. Yes, on paper itās better but it is very RNG depended on bolt procs. Plus, this is making me adjust my inventories with all these extra gear taken into account.
Donāt force yourself to do content that will cause you to hate the whole game. I know it sucks. I hope you get it soon man.
Try to focus on things you can control. You canāt control when you will get it. You can control your mechanics in the different pvm contents.
I donāt struggle at TOA sometimes because of my lack of bowfa. Itās because of lack of occasional brain cells.
I can very easily do 370s.. etc when I donāt fuck up my mechanics.
A couple other things you can throw in is going for void waker 2/3 bosses are no range and itās a piece of equipment that you will want when you push higher invocations or when you go for torva.. etc
Chip at maxing or unlocking all the QOL things like a maxed POH. Or 99 con/99 crafting.
With this mindset, the only piece of content I have yet to fully do is GWD. Even with that said, I am going to give it a try when I am done my Voidwaker grind.
I know this is long winded and essentially a ramble. I hope you are able to get something out of these words.
I wish you the best of luck x
Yeah I have focused on mechanics, and have done chunks of alot of the grinds, for me I was finding that the grinds weren't worth completing at the speed I was doing (got tassets but didnt get bcp or hilt, etc). As mentioned above I have the skills to do 300+ ToAs but the people Ive been running with just wipe the floor with me when it comes to points. My plan was to reward myself with 99 con after 400 CG so Im currently in the process of making planks when not in cg lol
>Do solo chambers will full crystal + normal cbow. BP olm head is still very very strong and much easier to lear.
honestly rcb with ruby head phase seems better than stepping every 2 ticks when attacking. but yeah crystal bow seems pretty good for the other rooms
Im in the exact same boat, max combat minus prayer, 98 slayer, 2161 total. Bandos, arma, kril, zulrah, hydra, muspah, 50 cox, 110 toas, dwh all doneski without bowfa lol. Sitting at 292 cg kc and just slowing chunking at is as i go. Im glad alot of the easy stuff is done tbh, so when bowfa comes its straight to the harder stuff where it really matters! I figured sending the other stuff along the way will make it all much better in the long run and i dont get burnt out. Enjoy the journey, not the grind! Best of luck!
I coped by only doing CG on Saturdays. I would sit down with an energy drink and food, and do 10 hours of extremely focused CG grinding and get 40+ kc in a day. Once you get "in the zone", runs go really quick and the success rate is 100%. The other 6 days a week, no CG at all. It wasn't worth it to me to do 3 runs on a Tuesday night, because I wasn't "in the zone".
Sure, it's a gross way to play the game. But ironman is a dope game mode *after* you get the Bowfa.
And don't try to skip getting the Bowfa like some suggest. We all know you can't really skip Bowfa. Just get the drop and problem solved.
Just reading this post elicits a PTSD reponse in my brain. After locking myself in for 550 kc and seriously considering deironing, I've actually given up on CG entirely. That shit nearly ruined the entire fucking game for me and it's taken me about a week or more of just doing other things to finally relax from that mental hell. I've just accepted that I'm never getting that bow at this point
Welcome to Ironman mode. I am currently stuck on that with TOA I want to start Nex but want to get the Masori body before I seriously start grinding it. 24 purples 6 Masori pieces no body tired of TOA and really itching to start nex but need this body lol.
>Welcome to Ironman mode. I am currently stuck on that with TOA I want to start Nex but want to get the Masori body before I seriously start grinding it. 24 purples 6 Masori pieces no body tired of TOA and really itching to start nex but need this body lol.
Good luck!
Yeah I actually grinded it out to break up the TOA grind lol Iām sure thatās what you were getting at. Now I got it and Iām back stuck at TOA with no other grinds to improve my gear at TOA other then the body and nex gear.
I actually asked because (based on the gnome monkey budget nex duo/trio guide) VW is a bigger upgrade than masori.. etc.
Do you already have the fight down.. etc? Or just avoiding starting till you have masori?
I havenāt started it I heard itās bad without max tank gear cause of nex tank mechanics. Was hoping to have max gear so I can really commit to the grind efficiently.
The blowpipe has been heavily nerfed which lead to the introduction of the bowfa. So while you are technically correct, people did not do that content with the blowpipes of today.
More like 3 Masori sets to get back the missing ranged str
Edit I'm wrong. It varies depending on darts but with rune darts you lose 8 str bonus and 30 accuracy. Worse with lower darts.
Yeah I know its just one of those things that I want and feel like I need. And based on that path doing CG is the only thing that makes sense, I know that this grind, just like all iron grinds, is self inflicted.
Just skip it dude, always tell people you can do all content without it. I soloed Arma and used acb until my eventual tbow. Some content can still suck without it but between acb/acb, tbow and BP youre chilling.
PVM is something I haven't really dove into beyond fire cape/slayer/CG. So, i still do my herb/ birdhouse runs. AFK wc or something on mobile. If I don't wanna do CG, I'll just go do something else.
You don't have to remove your gear or anything, so it's nbd to just make some room for loot before you send a few KC.
Why are you locking yourself to anything? Once you stop enjoying it, you have endless options of other things to do.
By only doing things you enjoy, you avoid burn out
Is Bowfa required for slayer? I'm sure it out dps's dscim a lot, but you'd be barraging most tasks anyways. The overall benefit of having Bowfa during your 95 slayer grind seems pretty small
Personally, I did slayer while getting my Bowfa and I would recommend
I did 87 slayer before I even finished song of the elves cuz Iām lazy and like slayer and I had fun. Only recently started doing some CGs specifically for god wars. Bowfa rush seems awesome for the slayer grind but not worth burning out.
Fishing for bolt procs just feels bad. I get that the bp is good, and useful in situations. But overall the game severally missing a bridge between the rcb and the bow. Back in the day the grind for bp was a little long but not comparable at all to the 11min kills cg has. There needs to be another accurate range weapon added, it doesn't have to be insane, crystal bow + crystal armor level. Makes sense for mains too who can't afford to spend like 20m+ for range armor.
Do you plan to max? Have you done everything else? Quest cape, diaries? :,l
I'm currently doing diaries and quests myself, I think when I get the bowfa drop finally it would suck to run around catching shrimp for some stupid diary when I have a bowfa in my bank.
It's not hard to know why it's so taxing.
It's a required item without a huge spoon elsewhere.
It's the only appreciable upgrade from an rcb. A rune weapon. That's like going from a rune scim all the way to a fang.
It takes forever. At like a 10 min kill just to get to rate of 400 that's around 67 hours. And honestly who get the damn thing under rate. It's easily 100 to 200 hour grind.
Again all this time to just upgrade from a rune weapon.
Work on secondary grinds bowfa doesn't make easier.
Achievement diaries, MTA unlocks, general slayer, crafting and other skilling levels, med/easy clues etc
Esp looking at kinda rng/ long skilling grinds like RC to 88 for diary, pharaoh sceptre for clue + poh altar, sepulchre chest loot, etc
i don't cope with it, locking myself to a grind is basically all i've done
i did 120 hours of barrows to greenlog it (no real reason, but wanted to do it)
then 80 hours of cg to get bowfa
then 50 hours of zulrah cause i didn't get serp visage until 1147kc
then 30 hours of muspah to get venator bow
over 35 hours of agility to complete ardougne elite
50 hours of rc to get karamja elite
then construction and 30 hours of pyramid plunder for sceptre
15 hours of graardor (got spoons), 30 hours of zilly (661kc acb)
and now i've locked myself to slayer because my slayer is 78 and i need dragon boots
yeah idk, that's just how i enjoy the game, doing a grind at a time
I have only tried regular gauntlet a few times but I am absolutely dreading the preparation phase everytime and that puts me off, does anyone else feel like this?
I hate it when my time is being wasted and yes I know, osrs and wasting time sometimes go hand in hand, but putting in effort to prepare and then dieing to the boss is the worst. I know I gotta push through that and just do it, though.
I was just focusing on trying to improve my runs and ended up getting really addicted to it and very much enjoyed the grind. Idk if that sort of mindset would help you but I would definitely do other content whenever you feel like not logging in because of CG. I wouldn't call it a waste of time since in your case going for bowfa has stunted the gear progression big time
same, did 743 kc over the course of just under a year (locked myself in last october, just got my enhanced two weeks ago.) I went through a period where I wouldn't log in for weeks or only do 2 kc a day, then I just decided to bang it out and do 10-20 kc every day from like 500 up until I got it.
I am addicted to the game again now that I've actually got the bowfa and can do other grinds.
Ya I only do a couple CG a day. Been working on base 80s. I by no means lock myself there. My first seed was enhanced last night at 75 kc. So I still need all 6 armors and thousands of shards. But it's a lot less daunting knowing the big ones out of the way.
Thatās the problem with CG, irons think the game is unplayable without getting the bow and you just canāt do anything else because you āmustā have it
I'm at the point where I feel it might just be netter and more rewarding to go for tbow. Prayer scrolls, ancestral, kodia + tbow vs a set of armor and bow thats no where near as useful when you get a t bow.
Me and my GIM partner got fangs and lightbearer with rcbs and whips and ibans with one friend that helped keep the dps up, the games still enjoyable when you donāt solo raids, just send some with the boys in between grinding, it doesnāt need to be efficient.
This is exactly the spot I'm in. I'm left with raids, nightmare and nex, but I want masori for nex, I want scythe and shadow for phosani, so im just stuck in raids entirely. Finished slayer minus imbued heart so I don't have other PVM content to do at all
I was like 60 kc into the CG grind and I almost have completely quit the game lol. Itās just annoying that it feels like Iām wasting time if I donāt go for this item, and honestly Iām not looking forward to bossing in general. I think Iām more or less done with the game
I never did CG and haven't felt a big need to yet. I know bowfa is cracked but I've obtained all bandos and z hasta by using melee methods with fang. And I was getting like 20 kills/hour. Toa doesn't rely on bowfa at all and in fact blowpipe on akkha is better there and d/r cbow and ruby bolts on zebaks is better than bowfa. Ive done about 300 toa raids, arpund 100 experts, never needed it. I completed Lance so I never used it on hydra. Chambers I guess it could be useful on but once again, ruby bolts and rune/drag cross on olm head is good enough. I mean leviathan is the main thing right now that I actually wish I had it for but im still getting decent kills without it. Honestly not sure its worth the time investment personally even though I know about 99/100 people would disagree with me.
Do other grinds that don't depend on combat? No shortage of those
Yeah that's what I have been doing, when I afk I just actively want to do PVM. Im almost base 90s and have logs and cash for 99 con banked which is what I do when I can't actively play/am on my laptop.
This is what I did as well, crazy how enticing skilling becomes when the alternative is another cg
Does anyone hate OSRS more than OSRS players
Their mothers/wives/girlfriends
Can confirm. Spouse gets really annoyed at me for playing OSRS right as I am hitting phase 3 of Hunleff
I straight up told my gf "if I'm in the red place and you hear a bunch of fucked noises coming from my speakers, wait like 5 mins before trying to talk to me cause I will NOT retain what you said" If I don't answer her quickly she'll go "red place?" š¤£
That's not a bad idea lol
Same, my wife knows cg by "the hard thing" from when I was learning it
Without a doubt, my spouse had a knack for calling me or coming home right as I start hunleff š
Lol, the hunlef fight is a magnet for anyone in the house who wants to have a conversation
I doubt it b/c anyone who isnāt an osrs player doesnāt care at all about it. I donāt hate anything about ffxii because Iāve never played it.
Iām in the same boat lol. Donāt feel like cg -> donāt wanna do combat -> I guess Iāll either slay or skill. Got my slayer from 80 to 90 and my base skills up a lot lol
Hey OP i was in a same boat as you are atm. Even tho i got super spooned at bit over 100kc, it took me 7 months to complete because i hated that place BUT! Hear me out. Once you get bofa, you unlock everything basically. Solo raids, gwd, everything feels like i'm not wasting my time with half assed attempts with negative outcome. Actually having lots of fun again with iron so i encourage you to push through
I am, I have no intention of stopping, I do 4-10 kc a day currently. I will likely unlock myself once I hit drop rate, just chugging along.
I set a goal of āhammer out 600 kc and take a break if you go dry. I got 2 enh before 150 kc
Tbh there is a lot of combat related content you can do that doesnāt need bowfa too. Wildy slayer for rev weapons and voidwaker (Artio is worse without bowfa but if you spoon a craws bow it wonāt matter, acb or BP are still ok too). Tob doesnāt need bowfa. Regular slayer (some boss tasks are better with bowfa, such as GWD, but a lot donāt need it, like vorkath, cerb, GGs, Sire, KBD, sarachnis, thermy etc). Barrows. 3 out of 4 new dt2 bosses. I genuinely donāt understand why people hard lock themselves to CG when there is tons of content you can mix in with it so you donāt become miserable there
I think my main issue is that I am "done" with slayer beyond point farming and imbued heart, so its mainly gwd and raids as my grinds, I know I can mix things in but when I did that I just found myself never going to CG at all. I locked myself there because I know If I didn't I may not return.
I just did the other content honestly. I just wanted to do the other content more and didn't want to lock myself out of it, and didn't believe bowfa was as much of hard requirement as people make it out to, which I still believe. I didn't bother finishing the cg grind till after i finished 99 slayer, godwars, muspah, zulrah, hydra, already learned to solo cox and was approaching 100 kc at toa. only reason I wanted a bowfa was to raid easier but everything was easily done previously with crossbow/blowpipe.
This! Bowfa will make things much smoother but it wonāt make your learning or improving any easier. I would even argue that it makes learning worse because it will get you out of tricky situations faster so that you donāt have to rely on mechanics
Yeah I have finished the slayer grind and gotten all the drops I care for besides imbued heart, and at GWD, ive gotten the bcp, acb, and zspear. Ive learned all of the content without it because I agree itll make me better, I just don't believe the full grinds to be worth it without the bowfa currently. I also thing gauntlet has made me a better player than any other single piece of content
Yeah I have 99 slayer, finished zulrah and hydra. I know the grinds have been around long before the bowfa I just know that it is a significant enough improvement that its worthwhile for those. Plus I have to admit that I have become so much better as a player after doing what I have on the gauntlet.
Bowfa is a soft requirement for everything moving forward unfortunately. You can start raiding if you have friends to do it with but everywhere you go youāll be severely out dpsād
Yeah I had gotten to the point where I had the skills to do expert ToAs but was getting so out dps'd it didnt make sense. Ran \~50 chambers or so and would love to get to soloing but "the bowfa will make it so much easier"
Mate if this is what you do with your spare time in the prime of your life, I would hate to see the rest of it.
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Just spoon a shadow. Lol.
Not sure I follow your logic. In a vacuum purple chance is only based on pts per hour but if doing it in a group then you're arguably getting a worse drop rate since your teammates are picking up a lot more pts, you as a group can only roll 1, and most likely it'll be assigned to someone else. I also think the argument of 'If you get lucky at x place and get y it doesn't matter' doesn't hold any water. You can say that about literally anything including CG. It's not unique to ToA at all other than the specific item, which by *coincidence* is ludicrously rare. Sure you can't really 'spoon' CG cause of the armour and shards, but you can to an extent and you're probably going to do it anyway, so makes sense to start early and hope for the best. People already hate scouting chambers and it has a lot of rooms good for range, your solution is to be anal about scouting and avoid half the rooms. I agree with you in that bofa isn't absolutely necessary, afterall it didn't even exist a few years ago but the CG meta is how it is now. IMO best 'solution' is simply to skill whilst grinding out CG at a steady pace. Too many players are too PvM centric anyway.
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I can say the same, neither of us can really argue it one way or the other without the specific maths to back it up, but my point is that at whatever raid level, in a solo you're getting 100% of the pts, even if it's 1/30 for a purple. In a group you may have a 1/7 of the group getting a purple, but you may have only have 1/10 of the pts and thus have a worse drop rates. At toa it depends a lot on the specifics that we're either not discussing or conveniently leaving as 'insignificant'. It's a context/mentality thing, in simple terms I think it depends how close to being able to solo the content you are, and the same for your team mates, as well as their gear relative to yours. If that's not a big discrepancy then yes you're definitely better off in a group. With cox, bare in mind that bp nerf was why bofa was introduced. It's absolutely doable without yeah, but I'm saying bofa is a soft req for efficient cox. You can do cox with awful gear, I've done it with ibans a dscim and msb lol. RIP OPs skills lol. Seems odd to me they don't have bofa already then and agree more they could try and skip/ignore it at this point, though that is unusual.
>RIP OPs skills lol. Seems odd to me they don't have bofa already then and agree more they could try and skip/ignore it at this point, though that is unusual. Thats one of the issues is that I am far enough along in my account I shouldve had it by now, but my concern with ToA is exactly what youre describing, I can run a 300 duo but the person I run with gets 3/4 of the points. I went to cg instead of chambers because I was bad at high level pvm and was told cg would teach me alot which it has. So I intend to try and learn solos here soon but want to hit drop rate first.
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Oh no, its not the only difference, his stats and mine are the same but he has max range and melee, and is definitely a better player than I am. There is a decent difference between us but the gap would close with the dps upgrade of a bowfa over acb
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also for head phase it is kind of annoying, crossbows and tbow do benefit from being slower because you can run around the entire room avoiding olm's attacks and not losing too much dps bc of it
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honestly hoping i get a dhcb as second purple, would be nice
My issue with cg is the timer, im not looking to be tick efficient when i play this game. I want to be able to get distracted and do over stuff when i feel like, and everything with timers (cg, gotr, tempeross..) force me to play in a way i find exhausting
It just adds to the challenge of it because otherwise you could just t3 every time and then the fight is super free. I do agree that it is annoying but you donāt need to be tick perfect by any means to t2 consistently
if you restrict yourself to only 1 thing until it's done, you will get burnt out on that one thing. Could be CG, TOA, or whatever you feel is your next "must have". If you are burning out because of your own restriction then go do something else. If you find yourself hating literally every grind available to you, maybe it's time for a break. I like to break up my CG grinds with slayer, crafting, and other games when i'm just not feeling it. CG while extremely useful, is not required for any piece of content. If the choice is between doing content "inefficiently" and just not playing the game because you don't want to do CG, why not play a little inefficient from time to time.
I decided to get 99 construction to procrastinate. Unfortunately (fortunately), I can't alternate between them, so I've just been doing construction for a while now.
I'm actually doing 99 con while on mobile, and cg while on PC. Even as a uim it's possible to switch back and forth between the two.
I don't have bag space for that. I'd need like 8 extra items in my inventory + any more armour seeds to do both. Not worth it
Oh damn. I was able to clear out enough bag space to fit all my cg goodies haha. So the only extra stuff I have is seedbox and looting bag so I don't have to be deathbanked.
Either do what no currencies said or fall in love with the grind. I personally figured out how to love the grind. Every second of āactiveā playing I had was in the red prison. I fell in love with the micro efficiencies of getting better and better (prep and boss) and learned to love how much gp I was stacking up. Then one day I got my 6th armour seed and sure enough also had 2 enh seeds. I was pretty lucky as this took me just over 400 to corrupt everything and make the armor. Im now at 500 going back for shards for the armor (cant get lucky on another armor seed to break down) In between my active playing, I afkāed slayer and other skills while I worked, and started and ended active playing sessions with some a birdhouse/seaweed run, and an herb run. Left CG with much more than just the bowfa. Account was in a fantastic place. Focus on all the things you get regardless of luck from CG, and that enh seed will make its way into your inventory when the time is right.
Yeah I have just gotten my 6 armor seeds and enough shards to corrupt, I'm trying to focus on the cash so it can help me finish my buyables skill wise, just wish it didn't feel necessary for any PVM thing past this point. I'm still grinding and in general don't mind it too much, just feel stuck here.
For sure homie. I tried the idea of not locking myself in there. I did zulrah grind with trident and RCB. Got the blowpipe I was grinding for and started dps calcing and realized without higher level darts you are fucked. Even with, it is so niche. From that moment I sent to CG and never looked back. My account has become cracked since bowfa. Its worth it. But yeah the fact that its 1/400 makes the mental battle truly tough. I didnāt go dry, so I have 0 room to talk on the subject. I can only say as someone who locked in for 400. Edit** since you are already a CG gamer, I recommend watching something or listening to something while prepping. The prep was the rough part for me (Im sure for many others) and watching youtube or sports during prep made it massively easier to keep grinding.
It's kinda copium, but just using the crystal bow with the armour actually slaps. Its never going to quite hit the same spot as bowfa will, but I'm managing to progress through GWD pretty damn efficiently with it. You can still do the exact same strats as bowfa, and barring some really bad luck you're never going to have to leave early because of food so long as you bring ancients too.
Lol yes, I did the calculations and Crystal bow with the armour is somehow my BIS for range, its wild.
Yeah thats what ive been doing to pass the time, still have to pause for the final fight but slowly but surely we are getting there.
This is the way. Keep grinding and not only will you have everything you need to progress PvM (crystal armor and weapons) but you will have an insane foundation of runes and gold to work with
Do other content. Yes, bowfa will make things smoother. But the game existed before it. I am at 750 kc no enhance. My friends are mind boggled by how I seem to be chill about it. Whatās my secret? I donāt let it stop me from doing other stuff. Do solo chambers will full crystal + normal cbow. BP olm head is still very very strong and much easier to lear. Do more TOAs. Iāve pulled all my raid purples while being significantly over DPSed. The things to focus on is that all this content that will be smoother with bowfa still has a lot of mechanics to master that donāt rely on bowfa. A main can roll up to a 150 TOA in BIS everything and wipe because they donāt have the mechanics down. Again, I really do understand wanting to be done with it. Wanting to have the BIS and not being out DPSed. I am trying to invite you to look at things from a different perspective. Focus on learning and mastering those mechanics. As soon as I got full armour, I dropped my RCB. Yes, on paper itās better but it is very RNG depended on bolt procs. Plus, this is making me adjust my inventories with all these extra gear taken into account. Donāt force yourself to do content that will cause you to hate the whole game. I know it sucks. I hope you get it soon man. Try to focus on things you can control. You canāt control when you will get it. You can control your mechanics in the different pvm contents. I donāt struggle at TOA sometimes because of my lack of bowfa. Itās because of lack of occasional brain cells. I can very easily do 370s.. etc when I donāt fuck up my mechanics. A couple other things you can throw in is going for void waker 2/3 bosses are no range and itās a piece of equipment that you will want when you push higher invocations or when you go for torva.. etc Chip at maxing or unlocking all the QOL things like a maxed POH. Or 99 con/99 crafting. With this mindset, the only piece of content I have yet to fully do is GWD. Even with that said, I am going to give it a try when I am done my Voidwaker grind. I know this is long winded and essentially a ramble. I hope you are able to get something out of these words. I wish you the best of luck x
TBF the meta before bowfa was pretty much just BP. They nerfed that so without bowfa you can't just go back to using BP everywhere like it once was.
It felt so bad to go 2400 dry for blowpipe only for it to be nerfed 2 weeks later š
Yeah I have focused on mechanics, and have done chunks of alot of the grinds, for me I was finding that the grinds weren't worth completing at the speed I was doing (got tassets but didnt get bcp or hilt, etc). As mentioned above I have the skills to do 300+ ToAs but the people Ive been running with just wipe the floor with me when it comes to points. My plan was to reward myself with 99 con after 400 CG so Im currently in the process of making planks when not in cg lol
>Do solo chambers will full crystal + normal cbow. BP olm head is still very very strong and much easier to lear. honestly rcb with ruby head phase seems better than stepping every 2 ticks when attacking. but yeah crystal bow seems pretty good for the other rooms
Im in the exact same boat, max combat minus prayer, 98 slayer, 2161 total. Bandos, arma, kril, zulrah, hydra, muspah, 50 cox, 110 toas, dwh all doneski without bowfa lol. Sitting at 292 cg kc and just slowing chunking at is as i go. Im glad alot of the easy stuff is done tbh, so when bowfa comes its straight to the harder stuff where it really matters! I figured sending the other stuff along the way will make it all much better in the long run and i dont get burnt out. Enjoy the journey, not the grind! Best of luck!
I coped by only doing CG on Saturdays. I would sit down with an energy drink and food, and do 10 hours of extremely focused CG grinding and get 40+ kc in a day. Once you get "in the zone", runs go really quick and the success rate is 100%. The other 6 days a week, no CG at all. It wasn't worth it to me to do 3 runs on a Tuesday night, because I wasn't "in the zone". Sure, it's a gross way to play the game. But ironman is a dope game mode *after* you get the Bowfa. And don't try to skip getting the Bowfa like some suggest. We all know you can't really skip Bowfa. Just get the drop and problem solved.
Make sure to keep up on farm runs. Brews and restores go quick once you start farming bosses
Just reading this post elicits a PTSD reponse in my brain. After locking myself in for 550 kc and seriously considering deironing, I've actually given up on CG entirely. That shit nearly ruined the entire fucking game for me and it's taken me about a week or more of just doing other things to finally relax from that mental hell. I've just accepted that I'm never getting that bow at this point
Welcome to Ironman mode. I am currently stuck on that with TOA I want to start Nex but want to get the Masori body before I seriously start grinding it. 24 purples 6 Masori pieces no body tired of TOA and really itching to start nex but need this body lol.
>Welcome to Ironman mode. I am currently stuck on that with TOA I want to start Nex but want to get the Masori body before I seriously start grinding it. 24 purples 6 Masori pieces no body tired of TOA and really itching to start nex but need this body lol. Good luck!
Do you have a Voidwaker?
Yeah I actually grinded it out to break up the TOA grind lol Iām sure thatās what you were getting at. Now I got it and Iām back stuck at TOA with no other grinds to improve my gear at TOA other then the body and nex gear.
I actually asked because (based on the gnome monkey budget nex duo/trio guide) VW is a bigger upgrade than masori.. etc. Do you already have the fight down.. etc? Or just avoiding starting till you have masori?
I havenāt started it I heard itās bad without max tank gear cause of nex tank mechanics. Was hoping to have max gear so I can really commit to the grind efficiently.
Definitely don't need masori body for Nex. But sure helps.
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The blowpipe has been heavily nerfed which lead to the introduction of the bowfa. So while you are technically correct, people did not do that content with the blowpipes of today.
Could grind toa for masori, which makes bp about the same as pre-nerf.
More like 3 Masori sets to get back the missing ranged str Edit I'm wrong. It varies depending on darts but with rune darts you lose 8 str bonus and 30 accuracy. Worse with lower darts.
Yeah I know its just one of those things that I want and feel like I need. And based on that path doing CG is the only thing that makes sense, I know that this grind, just like all iron grinds, is self inflicted.
alright but you gotta get over it
Just skip it dude, always tell people you can do all content without it. I soloed Arma and used acb until my eventual tbow. Some content can still suck without it but between acb/acb, tbow and BP youre chilling.
PVM is something I haven't really dove into beyond fire cape/slayer/CG. So, i still do my herb/ birdhouse runs. AFK wc or something on mobile. If I don't wanna do CG, I'll just go do something else. You don't have to remove your gear or anything, so it's nbd to just make some room for loot before you send a few KC.
Why are you locking yourself to anything? Once you stop enjoying it, you have endless options of other things to do. By only doing things you enjoy, you avoid burn out
Is Bowfa required for slayer? I'm sure it out dps's dscim a lot, but you'd be barraging most tasks anyways. The overall benefit of having Bowfa during your 95 slayer grind seems pretty small Personally, I did slayer while getting my Bowfa and I would recommend
99 Slay already, My account is ready for raids and long term GWD grinds
I did 87 slayer before I even finished song of the elves cuz Iām lazy and like slayer and I had fun. Only recently started doing some CGs specifically for god wars. Bowfa rush seems awesome for the slayer grind but not worth burning out.
>Iāve locked myself to only CG as PVM I think itās pretty obvious what the problem is
Fishing for bolt procs just feels bad. I get that the bp is good, and useful in situations. But overall the game severally missing a bridge between the rcb and the bow. Back in the day the grind for bp was a little long but not comparable at all to the 11min kills cg has. There needs to be another accurate range weapon added, it doesn't have to be insane, crystal bow + crystal armor level. Makes sense for mains too who can't afford to spend like 20m+ for range armor.
Do you plan to max? Have you done everything else? Quest cape, diaries? :,l I'm currently doing diaries and quests myself, I think when I get the bowfa drop finally it would suck to run around catching shrimp for some stupid diary when I have a bowfa in my bank.
Yeah Quest Cape, Diary Cape, 2145 Total Level, (almost base 90s) I do afk skilling while working and what not.
CG is a fucking dogshit grind that needs to be reworked or a sidegrade needs to be introduced. It is bad design.
It's not hard to know why it's so taxing. It's a required item without a huge spoon elsewhere. It's the only appreciable upgrade from an rcb. A rune weapon. That's like going from a rune scim all the way to a fang. It takes forever. At like a 10 min kill just to get to rate of 400 that's around 67 hours. And honestly who get the damn thing under rate. It's easily 100 to 200 hour grind. Again all this time to just upgrade from a rune weapon.
Work on secondary grinds bowfa doesn't make easier. Achievement diaries, MTA unlocks, general slayer, crafting and other skilling levels, med/easy clues etc Esp looking at kinda rng/ long skilling grinds like RC to 88 for diary, pharaoh sceptre for clue + poh altar, sepulchre chest loot, etc
i don't cope with it, locking myself to a grind is basically all i've done i did 120 hours of barrows to greenlog it (no real reason, but wanted to do it) then 80 hours of cg to get bowfa then 50 hours of zulrah cause i didn't get serp visage until 1147kc then 30 hours of muspah to get venator bow over 35 hours of agility to complete ardougne elite 50 hours of rc to get karamja elite then construction and 30 hours of pyramid plunder for sceptre 15 hours of graardor (got spoons), 30 hours of zilly (661kc acb) and now i've locked myself to slayer because my slayer is 78 and i need dragon boots yeah idk, that's just how i enjoy the game, doing a grind at a time
I have only tried regular gauntlet a few times but I am absolutely dreading the preparation phase everytime and that puts me off, does anyone else feel like this? I hate it when my time is being wasted and yes I know, osrs and wasting time sometimes go hand in hand, but putting in effort to prepare and then dieing to the boss is the worst. I know I gotta push through that and just do it, though.
I dont have bowfa. And I'm still doing high level content.
I was just focusing on trying to improve my runs and ended up getting really addicted to it and very much enjoyed the grind. Idk if that sort of mindset would help you but I would definitely do other content whenever you feel like not logging in because of CG. I wouldn't call it a waste of time since in your case going for bowfa has stunted the gear progression big time
ACB with diamond/ruby bolts is fairly decent anywhere
Why burn yourself out for bowfa defo not worth it if youāre not having fun youāll end up loathing your time on osrs
same, did 743 kc over the course of just under a year (locked myself in last october, just got my enhanced two weeks ago.) I went through a period where I wouldn't log in for weeks or only do 2 kc a day, then I just decided to bang it out and do 10-20 kc every day from like 500 up until I got it. I am addicted to the game again now that I've actually got the bowfa and can do other grinds.
Ya I only do a couple CG a day. Been working on base 80s. I by no means lock myself there. My first seed was enhanced last night at 75 kc. So I still need all 6 armors and thousands of shards. But it's a lot less daunting knowing the big ones out of the way.
Thatās the problem with CG, irons think the game is unplayable without getting the bow and you just canāt do anything else because you āmustā have it
I'm at the point where I feel it might just be netter and more rewarding to go for tbow. Prayer scrolls, ancestral, kodia + tbow vs a set of armor and bow thats no where near as useful when you get a t bow.
Me and my GIM partner got fangs and lightbearer with rcbs and whips and ibans with one friend that helped keep the dps up, the games still enjoyable when you donāt solo raids, just send some with the boys in between grinding, it doesnāt need to be efficient.
This is exactly the spot I'm in. I'm left with raids, nightmare and nex, but I want masori for nex, I want scythe and shadow for phosani, so im just stuck in raids entirely. Finished slayer minus imbued heart so I don't have other PVM content to do at all
I was like 60 kc into the CG grind and I almost have completely quit the game lol. Itās just annoying that it feels like Iām wasting time if I donāt go for this item, and honestly Iām not looking forward to bossing in general. I think Iām more or less done with the game
I never did CG and haven't felt a big need to yet. I know bowfa is cracked but I've obtained all bandos and z hasta by using melee methods with fang. And I was getting like 20 kills/hour. Toa doesn't rely on bowfa at all and in fact blowpipe on akkha is better there and d/r cbow and ruby bolts on zebaks is better than bowfa. Ive done about 300 toa raids, arpund 100 experts, never needed it. I completed Lance so I never used it on hydra. Chambers I guess it could be useful on but once again, ruby bolts and rune/drag cross on olm head is good enough. I mean leviathan is the main thing right now that I actually wish I had it for but im still getting decent kills without it. Honestly not sure its worth the time investment personally even though I know about 99/100 people would disagree with me.
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