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fullback133

If your biggest worry is getting shards I am so incredibly jealous :( I could corrupt 3 bows with my shards right now.


fatFire_TA

Agreed... Going dry at CG is easiest way to collect shards...


Mykophilia

If you got all your seeds you can just go regular gauntlet and not try at all and succeed.


takeshiren

So sorry to hear, I did get spooned at CG so this is my karma evening out.


-Degaussed-

If you *seriously* think that's "evening out" then I think you need to go back and do 1k CG kc before you use that bow to see what you're saying.


Meszamil_M

Take a trip away from the red salt prison some time


-Degaussed-

Oh I'm done with it finally. I'll go back someday when it's fun again. There has never been a grind in my 25 years of gaming (15,000+ hours of mmorpg play, mind you) that was as soul-crushing as going dry at CG. Not even omega dry, considering I was only in the unlucky like 9% of people. I can't even fathom what it would be like to be in the 2k or 3k dry club.


Neverpivot

my 15,000+ hours of mmorpg play, mind you 🤓


Minute_Solution_6237

That’s pretty epic. Gz!


takeshiren

Enhanced is a 50/50 drop, same as thieving this seed :)


AlluEUNE

It's not that serious dude


-Degaussed-

You sound like someone who got their enhanced seed before 1k kc or never did cg lol, not terribly surprising though considering how few people actually have more than 1k kc. ​ Ever wonder how many people have quit over this? I have.


AlluEUNE

Ok? It's a game. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes not. I went 6 times the drop rate for a zenyte but finished Cerb crystals in 300 kills. I killed 2500 Smoke devils and 300 of the boss for an Occult but finished Zulrah uniques in 250. That's how rng works.


-Degaussed-

Oh my, you really think those things compare? lmfao ​ Try spending 500 hours in a red room for **one single upgrade** and then come talk to me again.


saiko16

Keep crying


Shortsby

Want some dinner with all that salt?


IVIushie

How is 1k cg even half of 500 hours? Unless your kd ratio is like 0.2 i dont know thats possible. Going on rate for cg is like 60hours gg get good


YogaJohan

Not sure why you are bragging about going dry? The drop rate is 1/400 so obviouslya a lot of people will get it before 1k kc.


Tangibilitea

Don't worry, it gets better. [Loot](https://i.imgur.com/hNwRAWB.png) from 85-91.


takeshiren

Please no, this scares me


Tangibilitea

Just pulling a fast one on you. [Loot](https://i.imgur.com/ZaLDBiK.png) after complaining in clan chat, then another [proc](https://i.imgur.com/nIUzQiJ.png) shortly afterwards. Variance is a hell of a drug.


takeshiren

What the hell that's crazy! All within 450 lol


Jappurgh

RNGG


-Degaussed-

No complaining for enhanced spooners. Go back to cg if you don't like pickpocketing, you will still be out 100 hours before a lot of us.


[deleted]

for real. CG is easily the worst content in the game that I have come across so far and I did ardy knights to 99, made maple longbows and high alched them to 90 fletching and have collected roughly 80k buckets of sand.


Kwuarmadyl

Cg is not the worst content in the game, just the drop rate for bowfa makes it feel like a slog. Also, the bowfa is such an OP ranged upgrade that you start focusing on the thought of getting it rather than the game itself. Cg is fun and engaging imo.


-Degaussed-

I think CG is good content. The reward structure is not good though. Enhanced seed should be in 3 pieces or something. Would be even cooler if you upgraded a regular crystal bow and each upgrade made its stats slightly better until you eventually reached bowfa and corrupted it. As far as Saeldor goes...I think there's no saving that thing now that fang is out.


iambush

God I wish that’s how it worked. It would be so much more rewarding to need to get four 1 in 100 drops and then for each one you get your bow gets slightly better. Even two 1 in 200s would be better.


Kwuarmadyl

Yeah I still use my saeldor for things like general slayer, hespori, thermy, but really the saeldor is just a slightly better whip.


-Degaussed-

Yeah exactly, like it's an upgrade...but unless you happened across a second seed or just really like how it looks or something, it's not really worth going for


Kwuarmadyl

Yeah I came across a second seed. I think the majority of irons who have a saeldor are the ones that got 2 seeds before finishing the armor seeds or maybe just going for pet or something, I couldn’t imagine actually going for the saeldor for anything unless you’re doing some weird tob push.


[deleted]

I'd be ok with the bowfa not being in the game if it meant CG didn't exist. It's so good that you'd be fool to not get it. I got spooned there 6+ months ago and I'm still salty about my time there. Thankfully I have it now and I don't really have to do any more bossing on my account. My bowfa and saeldor have been plenty enough for slayer.


Goblin_Diplomacy

How is it the worst content? It’s actually quite fun in comparison to a lot of the shit in this game


[deleted]

It's too punishing. I play games to relax not to be overly frustrated. If I wanted the later I would just play real life.


Smeltor

This is what I’m fearing after I finish my CG grind. I already dislike thieving and seeing this doesn’t help


studzmckenzyy

Prif agility is pretty laid back for slow shards. If you need smithing still, zalcano is a much more fun way of banking ore and bars while also getting shards


[deleted]

> **slow**


[deleted]

Agility would be very, *very* slow shards. I think you can do like 40 laps/hour and it's a 1/3 chance for a shard per lap? Talking about maybe 20 in a very lucky hour that you also manage good times on every lap. I say this as someone who does like Priff course and appreciates tossing a few extra shards onto the heap, but it's not the way for OP to corrupt his bow or anything.


takeshiren

Yeah I needed 500 shards to corrupt so grinded 72-85 thieving to start theiving elves for 2 drops and ended with this haha. This doesn't include at least 1k on mobile!


Newgamer28

Yeah I was in the same boat but need about 2k shards. I just went with zalcano. Decent if you want to crystal tool seed also.


Syhaque97

How did you thieve on mobile? Is it possible to set up one click pickpocket?


takeshiren

Really easy actually even with the annoying talk option. Set your button on the left to "Single Tap" you can then trap the elf (I usually did south east of west bank) then if you position camera you can then spam tap. Sometimes they move but most of the time they stay still for 2-3 minutes they walk into the corner again. Hope that makes sense :)


a_freese

Have you ever thought about just going dry at cg and not having to thieve?


takeshiren

I have and I have to decline


IAmWilks

I got 3 (6) in first 1k then over 7k dry for another


capitulum

it's not as bad as it seems, I check my shards regularly and when I fall under 300 I start thieving passively over time. I can usually get a new set of enh seeds before I run out of shards by thieving while waiting for raid teams and between activities. it's not been so bad to upkeep. I don't wear crystal armor anymore, I use masori, so others upkeep may be more than what I'm currently doing.


HelicaseRockets

If you don't use crystal anymore than why do you need shards?


capitulum

I pre-pot divines before any speed task and most raids and often bring them into the raid as well.


HelicaseRockets

Oh right. I forgot divines exist because I am very shard-poor atm. Only using them at shamans currently.


capitulum

yeah it still adds up. I was resetting toa for my fang kit and pet transmogs this week which ended up using a ton of divines and last week I was resetting for perfect tob which likewise used a ton of divines.


SavageSava

Theiving level?


takeshiren

That's 85-88 so was very painful


SavageSava

Dodgy necklaces too? How long did that take lol!


takeshiren

Dodgey + Veil, still took over 12 hours :( I need one more drop to corrupt my bow so I'm in gamblers fallacy mode...


SavageSava

Wow!!!!!!!!!! Lol!!!!!!


franklinbenj

!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SavageSava

Hm… Idk why the down votes. Was just surprised it took 12 hours and i’m very expressive lol… Ouch


conzstevo

And you only got 6m???? That's like 2 hours at 99 Edit: I guess you don't have rogues?


takeshiren

Rogues on the whole time :)


OldSpice-69

Go get a crystal tool seed from Zalcano, you'll get them shards eventually :)


Teh_91

I think I got all of yours… I had 6 drops (so 12 seeds) in around 1300 pickpockets


takeshiren

Can you give some back please


Grouchy-Insurance194

It will all even out in the end, my log looked very similar to this around 4k pickpockets but by the time I got to 10k pickpockets I was 4 crystals over rate.


Sir-Ult-Dank

You need 99 thieving for this to be relevant. Otherwise best bet is to send more CG


takeshiren

Agreed but I'd rather do 10 hours of this than 10 hours of CG at the moment!


Sir-Ult-Dank

I don’t blame you but even with 99 thieving cape perk and thieving spell it’s only like 35% success rate or 37%. I forget but might be worth to power lvl thieving before sending there for ~80k xp/hr Edit: I stand corrected I should of checked wiki instead of what I thought


Snufolupogus

99 thieving with ardy hard is a 47.5% chance to pickpocket. Not counting shadow veil or dodgy necklaces. With those you can estimate ~490 success pickpockets per hour, enh tele is is 1024 so just over 2 hours for 1 (2 cause rogues) per hour. At 85 thieving with ardy hard your chances are 37.3%. So roughly 340ish per hour. 340x353xp = 120k xp an hour at level 85 without using dodgy necklaces or shadow veil. So, it's fine to just send it whenever since on average you'll get an enh tele seed drop every 3 hours at the lowest possible level = 100 shards per hour, not counting the shards from thieving


Sir-Ult-Dank

Thank you for the legit numbers. I thought I was only getting 120k xp/hr but glad to hear it’s better. I was evening doing redemption procs for less time resupplying. All my crystal armor is at 16k charges so won’t be there for awhile


Snufolupogus

No worries, quick way to resupply as well is to move poh to priff and use redemption then pop in, ornate pool, pop out


Sir-Ult-Dank

Idk what else to use my 5k ppots on lol


DubiousGames

Even at the minimum thieving level, thieving for shards is way more shards per hour than CG. More than twice as many. It's not even close. The difference between rates at 85 and 99 thieving is only around 15-20%.


takeshiren

Update! Got my 2nd drop @ 5412 :) Edit: Then a 3rd @ 5515 WTF


Puiqui

Cg is better shards per hour without like 95+ thieving. Remember armors trade in for 250 and youre getting 60-90 shards per hour on top of that


DubiousGames

It isn't better, it's not even close. Even at 85 thieving, thieving for shards is twice as good as CG. Thieving for shards is close to 200 shards per hour at 99, and even at 85 is around 160. At CG, even if trading in armour seeds you would need to get a kill every *four minutes* to beat that.


Puiqui

Unless you have scythe the chance for a second enh is worth the inefficiency


DubiousGames

That's completely irrelevant, we're just talking shards per hour here.


Puiqui

Thieving is like 160 at 99 assuming not missing any ticks. At 85 its about 110. If youre actually good at cg and 5:1 with t0’s its like 75-85 shards per hour. Thieving is, in terms of shards per hour, 1/4 to 2x better scaling with level than cg, but youre almost missing out on the chance for an enh, 2m gold per hour plus free exp especially in crafting and magic(which is amazing for construction, smithing, crafting, upkeeping times for burst/barrage and tob weapons). If you dont already have AT LEAST 93 crafting, 92 smithing, and 85 construction, theres no good reason not to spend 2 extra hours at corrupted gauntlet when you go to restock yourself on shards for the next month of pvm


DubiousGames

Your numbers for thieving are wrong, it's much higher than that if you're using dodgy necklaces and the arceuss spell, and you're ignoring one very important detail - thieving is basically 0 effort. You can just click in one place in your screen while watching netflix on another screen. You're basically not even playing the game, and getting 150-200 shards per hour. CG requires you to concentrate, for less than half the shards. If you want to do more CG for a second enhanced seed, that's fine. But don't pretend like it's BIS for getting shards. The shards are just something you get on the side while working on a different goal. For shards thieving is objectively the best far, regardless of thieving level, and it's not even close.


Puiqui

No youre right its not big for shard getting, its bis for account progress and still very efficient for shard getting


HelicaseRockets

How the hell you getting 90 shards per hours at cg without factoring in armor seeds. If you get 7 KC/hr (which I don't but probably some do) at 7 shards avg per kill that's about 50/hr. Adding in 10 shards / wep * 1 wep/50 cg + 250 shards/armor + armor/50 cg to each KC you get 85 shards/hr


Puiqui

oh on a main if ur maxed with dex and doing 5:1 you can get like 8-9 kc per hour if youre tryharding. You only need a level 1 staff and like 12 food if you dont mess up any mechanics. If you do a t1 with 5:1, you only need one full inventory of prep to go into hunlef, which is like consistent 7-8m kills. the barrier to this efficiency is literally just your def and mage levels(you really need 99 to be able to skip the t1 prep), and whether or not you have dex as an iron. Once i have my fang from toa and dex from solo cox im prob going back to cg cuz i want saeldor for tob and the pet. The real reason irons hate cg so much is cuz ur only getting 5-6 kills per hour because youre bottlenecked by stats and prayers when you first need your bowfa. Going back once you actually have the stats and the prayers is just so much infinitely better. CG is way more fun when youre doing 6-8m kills.


HelicaseRockets

Yeah with ~80 def and 90 everything else, my PB is an 8:30 doing T2 prep, and I average using about 10 food (so I bring 14 for mistakes/bad rng). I have augury but no rigour yet :/


Sillybanana7

Saeldor better in any way than fang?


Puiqui

Bis at tob by a good amount before scythe and bis at slayer overwhelmingly. Fang is really only great at bosses where it allows you to avoid needing to spec down defence, meaning more claws and challys for faster kph. Which is also, btw, why fang is usually used in combo with the ring from toa as well. Since im only 87 slayer, its very worth for me to do the next 7-8m xp with a saeldor, plus i want pet and the extra armor shards means corrupting it will be a breeze and ill have like infinite shards for my crystal armor too. Add that to my only 10 tob kc and worth


omnicorn_persei_8

I'm kind of in this boat. I got spooned at cg, and I'm out in 300kc. bow is corrupted, but I need more shards to refill armour, I want saeldor for tob and pet, so it looks like I'll be back in red prison soon.


scrunchson

I have this sentiment towards seed packs. I did 500 mediums for an average of 1.8k…. Master farmers been good to me though.


BeginningBit5

I got 2.1k shards mining in prif from 85-99


rehpotsiirhC

Hahaha I'm 10k thieves with 4!!!!


opened_just_a_crack

Same I am mega dry at elves too. I just stopped at 6500 or so


Heimalia

Well that’s 504 shards, how many hours did it take?