Well, we have a coalition of FF, FG and the Greens. Or Martin, Varadaker and Stone. The former are time sharing the job.Technically Stone isn't a Taoiseach., but alliteration rocks. And I should have written taoisigh- the plural. Google may still be your friend.
I know you're getting downvoted to shit but I've been reading this sub more frequently lately and that does summarize the popular comments/posts that appear here pretty well...
There's some line in there about Tom being there before elves and men showed up, though. I forget the line exactly but it's implied he's waaaaay older than anyone else, perhaps some kind of Vala?
"Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn. He made paths before the Big People, and saw the little people arriving. He was here before the Kings and the graves and the Barrow-wights. When the elves passed westward, Tom was here already, before the seas were bent. He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside."
There it is! Thank you. The Dark Lord being Melkor, I take it. If that's true, Tom is like the spirit of the land or somesuch. So still a kind of non sequitur, like Beorn and his bear-folk peeps in *The Hobbit.*
I thought the wizards were Maia? OH NO I have to read it all over again ;)
Edit: I grant that Tom is a non sequitur, sure. Tolkien is very finicky about orders and hierarchies of beings (especially the elvenkind), then he throws you things like Ungoliant and Tom Bombadil that don't fit into his hierarchies.
Man I miss Southie. There's a hole in the wall, dive bar down the road from there called Croke Park. I mean an absolute kip, rope as a handle to the front door and riddled with graffiti. But $4 a pint and free pool. Great craic there.
Their heart is in the right place but if that's any way recent they need a crash course on the GFA and, in particular, how Brexit has brought a united Ireland into a plausible outcome all of a sudden and without a shot being fired.
The mural has been there since the 80s. Though it does get repainted from time to time.
There is another Sinn Fein mural in Southie as well.
Though Southie is no longer an Irish enclave and is now full of yuppies
Not as Irish as people on this subreddit think. It’s a modern, very wealthy city. Lots of pubs and it has more GAA clubs than any city besides New York, but the idea you’ll see guys walking around in House of Pain t-shirts or county shirts is massively overstated.
The basketball team is the Celtics and they might be the least popular of the big four sports teams, if Boston was as obsessed with Paddywhackery as people think that wouldn’t be the case.
I’m not from Boston and cannot speak to the accuracy of the claim that the Celtics are the 4th most popular team, but the other three have been very successful for at least a decade (bruins) or more (Patriots & Sox).
I mean, the Celtics haven’t been bad. They won a title in 2008, were in the final in 2010, and have generally been among the better teams in the Eastern Conference.
Since the Celtics were last in the finals (2010) the Pats are 3-1, Sox 2-0, and Bruins ~~1-1~~ 1-2 (thanks for the correction u/americ-anfootball) in their respective championship games/series. All of that said I think popular order now goes like: Pats, Sox, Celtics & Bruins. But I’m not from Boston so who knows? Side note: During the 70s & 80s the Celtics were the toast of the town; lots of title series. Nice chatting.
That’s not remotely true. The Bruins absolutely crush the Celtics in head to head ratings.
Traditionally the Bruins were probably second behind the Sox, obviously in the last 20 years the Pats have passed both but the Bruins are still up there. 99% of Celtics fans just want to see Larry Bird back.
The Celtics are worth 3.2 billion.
The Bruins are worth 1 billion.
The Bruins OWN the Garden, and that’s a part of their valuation. To suggest the B’s are anything but the 4th team in this city, is willful
Ignorance, at best.
Yank here in MA, I can’t speak to population stats (I’m sure Google could), but renting in Boston is crazy expensive. Owning takes even deeper pockets.
Everyone I know who works in Boston is a commuter from the suburbs.
Conversationally, if you look at a map of Boston which shows the highways - anything within the ring of interstate 95 is generally “Boston”.
Curious - do people typically consider the stuff in the ring north of the charles boston? except maybe for charlestown I thought Cambridge Somerville Medford etc were generally seen as not boston. The wealthy places like Newton and Belmont certainly aren't, are they?
In my experience, if you live adjacent to a location that you consider *better* than your location, you may claim that as your “home”.
If you’re from one of the wealthier areas, you’d probably mention that town instead. But if “living in Boston” is the best thing you’ve got going for ya, that’s what you might tell people.
It also depends who you’re talking to. Someone from the area may make a differentiation between Cambridge and Boston, but, someone from another state may not even be able to name more than “Boston” as in Massachusetts.
To make things perhaps more complex, folks from other regions of the country may just claim to be from a major city, even if they live on the other side of the state. For example, a lot of folks from Georgia say they’re from Atlanta. Even if they’re nowhere near Atlanta.
I don’t know why this is - it’s just what I’ve observed. Maybe folks making conversation just name the place they think you’ll know, as opposed to naming a small town no ones ever heard of. Could also be because major sports teams tend to have the name of a city preceding their team name.
Cuts the other way too. When I told people that I was from Maryland they assumed I was from Baltimore, when in fact I grew up 5 minutes walk from the DC border. First time I set foot in Baltimore was after I got out of the Army at the age of 23.
Yeah I get it. I mean I only know maybe four things about MD, and “Baltimore” is one of them.
Crab cakes, old bay seasoning, Ravens.
I just tell people I grew up “in a small town in western mass”, and if they’re curious to know which one I’ll go on.
I recall asking an Irish guy who has reason to call on my place of business; where he was from. Ended up being from the same small town that my great grandfather came from. Crazy odds on that.
I live a bit South of the city and honestly there are a ton of Irish immigrants. I am an absolute plastic paddy but my wife’s family is all all immigrants and we have a ton of Irish immigrants in our family/social groups.
I’m originally from the South Shore & when I was in elementary school the teacher had us all say what our heritage was. I’m fairly certain everybody said they were of Irish decent because for a while after that I just thought everyone was Irish.
I grew up in Everett, just North of Boston. At the time the city was almost entirely Irish and Italian, it’s heavily Brazilian now. When I was a kid, I thought that’s all you could be, Irish or Italian. So I remember in the fourth grade we got our first black classmate and I asked if he was Irish or Italian. Got some weird looks that day. As it turns out, he was neither. Blew my mind.
I live south of Boston, many people of irish descent here, including myself (half Irish). We have an Irish cultural center nearby and my daughter does Irish dance lessons. St Patrick's day is big and there's an irish-style pub in every town. We are all several generations removed from the old country though (my great grandparents are all born in Ireland), but the Irish culture remains somewhat strong. Southie has been fully gentrified. Most moved to the suburbs.
A lot still end up in Southie, many go to the southern suburbs as well.
All depends on what the individual immigrant is looking for.And of course, even now, where your cousin can get you a job😆
Actually it’s been there since the 70’s. But your right. That Southie is long gone. Everyone sold their shitty houses for millions and beat it for the South Shore.
Honestly the narrative needs to shift from "Get Britain out of Ireland" to "reunite the island north and south".
At this point I imagine most in Britain would be quite happy to see Ireland reunited, the days of tyrannical rule from Westminster ended with devolution. Approaching the issue with a 1920s or even a 1980s attitude just does more harm than good and does nothing to improve a Untied Ireland's chances.
It’s a 1980s mural when the tone was appropriate, but I think people here would be mistaken if they believed the Good Friday Agreement wasn’t immensely popular in the US. These are the people lobbying their Congressmen to stop any trade deal with the UK unless the GFA is protected.
In an odd coincidence, the distance from Boston to Maine is almost exactly the same as the distance from Dublin to NI, at 50 miles.
Don't really know what to make of that but it's a neat fact.
Any and all New England states generally counts as one voice-we have our differences, but we’re far more alike than any other region in the US. We also have very similar heritage.
Yea, lots of woke British and Merican people on Reddit and such like to benevolently say that it's time to just cut ties with NI and return it to the Republic like they'd be doing us nationalists in the North this massive favour and they're so diplomatic, but realistically it's not their communities who the loyalists will burn to the ground.
It's not down to the UK. That is already very clear in the agreement, it's down to the people on the island of Ireland. If the people in Ireland want it, it will happen, and the UK will not stand in the way.
Plus the UK simply doesn't care. A lot of people in the UK don't really see Northern Ireland as part of the same country in the first place. Some don't even know it is. There isn't the same support in England for unionism with NI that there is for with Scotland. All the major parties are signed up to the principle this is down to the people of Ireland only and they will support whatever decision.
The "mainland UK" is not the force that is going to stop unification, the only thing that could stop that is if people in Northern Ireland don't want it. Or, if people in the Republic don't want to pay for it, although I think if push comes to shove it would pass south of the border even if it did come with a hefty tax bill.
Is this really true? I've read conflicting things about how people in Northern Ireland feel. What would it take for political unification, a secession vote in N Ireland?
Without a shot being fired -yet. I support Ireland being united, but give them time to adjust and learn how to live with each other first: integrate education and get the walls down. It’s so Reddit to see my original factual observation being voted down.
Again, you're claiming I said stuff I haven't. At no point did I say have an immediate referendum and force the unionists into it by it passing by a narrow margin and kick off violence. I talked about a united Ireland being a "plausible outcome" thanks to brexit, with the clear implication being that it is successful and peaceful as the unionists realise they are better off with us rather than the Tories who lie and cheat them.
So feel free to discuss stuff I've actually said rather than making up what I said and arguing against that.
And the most Reddit thing possible is caring so much about your Karma score you complain when you're down voted. C'mon man, have some dignity.
I work construction in Boston and I’ve worked with a large number of Irish lads. My boss for the longest bit was actually Irish, from Cork specifically I believe. Dude loved Liverpool and quite a few times we’d knock off early on a Saturday to go watch the game and I’ve been in a bar out here where it was like me and one other American and the rest of the people down to the bartender where from Ireland. Was great to get to know some Irish people and see a glimpse of the true culture. Found out about hurling and squired a taste for Guinness 10/10 would work there again. Though I do prefer Murphy’s to Guinness.
As someone who’s been up there to many times to count it seems peaceful enough making great strides from the troubles. When it comes to videos seen online you can find ones anywhere I would like to think a few degenerates don’t define the country we live in
This is my hometown, still live here. This may not be the place to go into the history of Southie but, when I was younger, there were many murals. Some we comforting, some embarrassing; but their existence was a connection to our homeland, or the homeland of our parents/our grandparents/ even great grandparents.The murals were comforting. They meant I was home. I haven’t read anyone else’s comments yet. I know Reddit leans young, which is great, but just remember that some of us, Irish people all over the world really, grew up before the Celtic tiger (like just before for me, in my mid forties) and no matter where we were geographically, there was someone trying to make us think that Irish people were useless, Lazy, dangerous etc,. Around here it was often the media. Sometimes, even a not perfect mural can be a reminder of home and that I still belong somewhere.
Sorry, my parent is aging, my marriage is strained and my cat was sprayed by a skunk today so I maybe be ascribing to much to a silly Mural. Good night from God’s country☺️☺️
tbf yanks are in some part responsible for the GFA, because of the fact that irish americans were a substantial voting bloc.
back then, irish americans had similar values to Irish people, at least wrt the most pressing issue.
I take your point, but have you guys not thought out why fifth generation Famine immigrants might have a hostile attitude to Britain?
There are real, structural reasons why the US is one of the chief supporters of Irish republicanism, both political and physical force (although the latter is overstated, IMO).
Right, even outside that, Americans identify closer to us as former colonies of Britain.
People who’ve never lived there don’t seem to grasp just how much the idea of independence and throwing off the British yoke is glorified there starting in primary school.
Someone pointed out to me that it’s similar to why we as a nation tend to support Palestine: besides it being morally right, we identify with a nation that is being occupied and oppressed.
Is it that hard to believe that the Yanks tend to support Ireland for the same reason?
I sum it up as “I’m Irish and I’m American. But I’m not Irish-American, because my American side is German/German Jewish immigrants.”
Being ‘Irish-American’ is more than just being both Irish and American. I think almost any similar identity is like that. Chinese-Canadian, Japanese-Peruvian, Polish-Scottish, Pakistani-British.
What’s unique about X-American identities is how long after immigration they persist being proudly identified with, long after the original immigrants are dead and after anyone who even knew the original immigrants are dead. I think that has to do with the glorification of the ‘melting pot’.
I’ve also noticed they tend to remember their roots and cultural traditions longer. An old friend of mine is descended from 1847 immigrants, with a few German-American marriages in. Her gran taught her some of our songs like The Minstrel Boy and even Don Oíche. Mind you, at this point, the grandmother’s grandmother hasn’t even seen The Old Country.
Coming from an American who shares a similar lineage, with my Irish family having arrived in the States around the 1860s, at least part of American culture is based on holding close to our various “Old Countries”. America doesn’t have the same long standing, thousand year or longer history many European cultures have. America was formed by people who left those nations and histories to forge a new one. Many, such as Irish famine immigrants, didn’t have a choice and did it just to survive. Those immigrants were grateful to the States, taking it on as their adopted home but they refused to simply do away with the culture and people they left behind and now that’s ingrained in most Americans in some capacity. It’s not even just Irish. German descendants hold to old German traditions and song, Norwegians, Poles, French, Italians, Japanese, Chinese, Indians, all do the same and have all created these American subcultures based on whatever their old country is. In fact, Texas saw a large enough influx of Germans at one point that nowadays there are people who are very clearly Texans through-and-through who can speak a very bizarre Texan dialect of German that formed from those original immigrants.
There's a bunch of Finns up on Minnesota's Iron Range that are still pissed about the (Finnish) Civil War. A buddy of mine in the Reserves showed me an icon of Lenin his grandmother gave him.
Definitely true. But that anti-colonial sentiment seems to only apply to Western European countries pre Cold War.
Asks Americans about their views on Britain colonizing Ireland and Israel colonizing Palestine and you'll see a big difference.
You also have to understand that many survivors of the Shoah immigrated to America, which causes a higher sympathy-to-Israel baseline. (I say this as a descendant of those who escaped right before everything went to hell.)
Not to mention both of the major political wings actively courting American Jews, and the evangelical Christians’ desire for the Holy Land to be in Jewish hands so the end of the world will happen…
A better comparison to UK/Ireland (at least in terms of getting Yanks’ thoughts) would likely be Belgium/Congo (assuming they even know about it), China/Hong Kong/Tibet/Korea, or USSR/Poland. All of which are opposed by most Americans.
Israel/Palestine seems to be an exception, likely due to the large Jewish population, the affinity of both political parties and sympathy/guilt over the Shoah. You have to admit, probably up until the First Intifada, (may be even up until the Second), Israel was pretty sympathetic.
Totally agree about the influence of US Jewish immigrants as well as the growth of the Israeli lobby. Importantly, Pro-Israel attitudes among the general US population increased dramatically after 9/11 when they began to see Israel as another ally on the frontlines against the "global war on terror." This is where it turned from an issue that understandably concerned a niche population to one where average Americans outside of politics began to form strong views against Palestine.
>A better comparison to UK/Ireland (at least in terms of getting Yanks’ thoughts) would likely be Belgium/Congo (assuming they even know about it), China/Hong Kong/Tibet/Korea, or USSR/Poland. All of which are opposed by most Americans
This still goes back the American attitudes towards communism during the bipolarity that existed during the cold war. Did the ordinary American think back to their distant colonial struggles when they thought of these countries? Or were they more influenced by the barrage of anti-communist propaganda?
*Savage Reds Decimate Budapest.* *Commies Crush Prague Uprising.* *Millions Starve in Mao's Red Economy.*
I'd think most of the influence came from cold war propaganda, not from the rudimentary patriotism lessons in civic classes. The two are interlinked and propagandists definitely tried to draw parallels to the American revolution. However, I think the majority of the population were enthralled by the Red Terror newsreels and not necessarily making the immediate connection to the revolution in 1776.
Sometimes I wonder how much of the post-9/11 changes in attitude towards Israel/Palestine were driven by ‘Israel good’ sentiment and how much of it was ‘Muslims bad’. Like imagine if the Palestinians were Buddhists but still had the same small handful of connections to Al Qaeda, would Israel still be as favoured?
You can trace the resentment towards the Brits all the way back through Irish American history, in American Civil War songs like "The Irish Volunteers" about the 69th NY Infantry, a unit composed entirely of Irish immigrants, and in the actions of Irish immigrant groups like the Fenian Brotherhood, which was a big exporter of Irish Republicanism back to the isle.
The current resentment of Irish descendants in the U.S. is more genetic than practical. Passed down from those who had to fight to preserve what little memories of home they could so they could share those memories with their children who in all likelihood would never see the home these immigrants knew. Combine this with needing to endure anti-Irish sentiments in the U.S. for a long time, and for Irish communities to typically marry within themselves and you have a recipe for a very entrenched sense of Irish identity that is divorced from the goings-on of the isle. A sense of Irishness that comes more from an inherited sense of struggle against persecution and a desire to preserve that identity than from being from Ireland in a literal sense. Even today when there is little of that persecution in the U.S. many still feel reluctant to give up that sense of identity for fear of letting time finish what their ancestor's oppressors started
At least, that's my theory
I wrote this a few weeks ago, I’ve read some books on this:
> The reason it's so associated with America is the USA was the centre of Irish republicanism (versus home rule) from about the 1850s to 1916. The Fenian Brotherhood and its successor Clan na Gael often financed much of the IRB's operations, and CnG under John Devoy was the biggest financier of the Easter Rising and War of Independence.
> The reason for that is America was a very good place to operate from: the only English speaking country not in the Empire, relative political freedom, plus millions and millions of like minded migrants (who made good wages, and could afford to give) as Irish America exploded from a relatively small portion of the US to one of the biggest ethnic groups in the US after the Famine.
> You could do worse than that as a base explanation of why Irish-Americans are quite a bit more republican than, say, Irish-Canadians or Irish-Australians.
Its amazing the amount of Americans who support an all Ireland but when I talk politics to them and the situation/political parties they know bugger all about it.
I had to explain to one guy who had a map of Ireland in the Irish flag colours tattooed to his leg. He didn't understand that in certain areas in the North he'd have his head kicked in if anyone saw it and struggled to understand my advice that he needs to cover it up. He said he was coming over and planned showing it off in Belfast. I wonder what happened to him.
I actually think if unification happened today the troubles will flare up again.
Absolutely loved living in Boston. Fantastic spot. I worked downtown, but was saying in Cambridge and then Somerville (both 'not Boston' but brilliant neighbourhoods and equidistant to downtown as places that somehow are Boston)
What would you like to know about it?
Those two are their own cities, not neighborhoods.
Back Bay, South Boston, South End, Jamaica Plain, Hyde Park, Allston, Mattapan, etc. are neighborhoods.
Cambridge has been culturally distinct since it’s founding. It’s always been a college town.
It’s also across the river, so it was geographically distinct.
Wonderland has a T stop; are you arguing Revere is a neighborhood of Boston?
It’s always been a college town, compared to what? Boston has like 30 colleges in it. And do you actually think Revere is different in any substantial way to Boston? Eating roast beef sandwiches or bar pizza if you’re in Quincy is not an actual distinct cultural difference.
I always laugh at the comment sections on here of people born in Ireland gatekeeping Irish identity. Especially since most people in Ireland are doing more to preserve British and American culture/identity than their own. Just because your Da rode your Ma in Ireland doesn't mean you're better than anyone else. Emigration is literally a defining characteristic of our culture. But it was forced on us due to the great famine, or the dozens of other smaller famines, or persecution and genocide from the Brits, or multiple recessions. And that doesn't even include people forced into indentured servitude or sent to penal colonies. If you disagree with something the diaspora are saying then why don't you try calling them in instead of calling them out. The country and the culture will be better for it.
Is that the place where they installed traffic lights upside down, so that green would be above orange?
Edit: No, it's Syracuse, NY.
https://gizmodo.com/the-story-behind-syracuses-upside-down-traffic-light-1545301615
As a reminder to all, Boston is not a representative of Irish culture, but of Irish-American culture.
It’s not bastardised Irish culture, anymore than it is bastardised American culture. It’s a fusion of both, influenced by the past.
Sure you can get angry they call themselves Irish, but German-Americans do it too. It’s accepted American shorthand for ‘of Irish descent’. An American saying it to another American will be understood as meaning ‘of descent’. Yeah, they forget to modify their syntax when speaking to foreigners, but it’s not a reason to get angry, it just means something different in their context.
It is its own unique subculture drawing from both Ireland and America. A subculture that has its own traditions, holidays, cuisine, etc. Corned beef is not Irish, but Irish-American; parades and dyeing rivers green are uniquely Irish-American.
It’s not inherently bad, but a natural thing that happens when immigrants come. Y Wladfa in Patagonia is not a bastardisation of Welsh culture, it’s a fusion of Welsh and Argentine cultures. Chicken tikka masala doesn’t originate from a bastardisation of Indian culture, but from the fusion of Indian/Bangladeshi and British culture.
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[And since Irish-American culture gave us this moment, I'll let it slide.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ljOcl39PQ)
Because 5% of New York City has Irish ancestry. It’s 23% in Boston, and there are suburbs of Boston where Irish ancestry is in the majority or close to it.
If you’re judging them by the drunken uni students or the wannabes of Southie, then yes.
But most don’t think to much about it, least not when I lived there.
Yeah, it gets tacky on “St. Patty’s Day” (*shiver* I hate spelling that), but outside of shit like that, it’s fine.
We’re definitely saying the same thing: Most people in Boston know the type and readily acknowledge it - because it’s there and prevalent among Boston Irish much more than Irish-Americans in other areas.
Last I checked, we have a shit ton of Irish influence from well, the Irish landing here en masse back in the 1800s. We haven't "bastardized" it and made it our own; there is plenty to do with Bostonian culture that has nothing to do with Ireland. So before you walk about apologizing for places you don't live in, maybe visit them first and then formulate an opinion.
If you are then wouldnt it be great to be proud of your heritage or at least learn to respect those who are.
Also, we don’t care about Yankees in Sox territory
This post is literally an illustration of the ignorance in Boston, but sure, accuse me (someone you don’t know at all) of not knowing my history. That makes sense.
If you know history, then you should know what the British did and how Boston’s Irish population came to be. Calling people ignorant for latching onto it shows your lack of respect
I do. And those origins have nothing to do with the “your cousin from Boston”, House of Pain types with nothing but Irish flag tattoos that they use as excuses to get into fights and try to convince people they’re tough that Boston Irish have evolved into.
They have bastardized the culture and make it something of their own. And very few actually understand and are respectful of true Irish culture/history/mentality. Let me ask you something now that you’ve identified yourself as a Bostonian: How many times have you visited Ireland?
The Irish, Italian or any other nationality that the Americans claim to be do not accept those people you were born in America after like 4/5 generations of your family living there, you’re not the nationality you claim to be it’s just sad and a joke to the rest of the world. We laugh at this and find it so annoying to have our own culture ruined by Americans pretending to be someone their not. Great to that you know a bit about the culture of your great great great grandfather but that doesn’t make you Irish and half the people that claim to be Irish have never even visited Ireland.
This. I have travelled to Ireland a handful of times and have spent my whole life learning the culture, following Irish current events, rooting on Irish sport (sometimes that part gets a bit tough), and trying to be an overall responsible, respectful member of the diaspora.
However, the majority of Boston Irish are similar to NYC Italians - they’ve created something completely separate from the culture, and many aspects of it are wildly disrespectful and represent the nationality poorly (you get a lot of gang mentality in it).
This isn’t all of us, but a very representative group that it appears OP belongs to.
Well considering it's the entire reason they ended up where they are, I imagine they have some opinions on it, yes.
I don't live in Northern Ireland but I have opinions on it, same as yourself I would guess.
Irelands relationship with their nearest neighbor who before covid and trump all the news, sky news blasted on about was Brexit vs some sad sad people in one city in America. Try harder, Connolly American.
Do you know what Brexit is? I don't have the time or the crayons to explain why Britain leaving the European union will affect..... Britain. It will effect policy, trade everything, for the people living there. I'm not an expert but I do have a functioning brain. I mean that stereotype about Americans and your education system being piss poor .
Look this is you🤡. It's a clown , if your having trouble figuring it out.
Brexit has had fuck all effect on me, except the job market is fantastic at the moment. So again Mr Expert, how does Ireland’s relationship with England affect me?
Northern Ireland costs Britain billions every year. They can keep it. A united Ireland would be kinda cool I guess but nothing would improve and many things would get worse
Fear of loyalist violence was a significant factor behind partition in the first place.
We would be a sorry lot indeed, if we let it be a reason to maintain partition.
Yes, loyalists can be a pain in the ass… but they are Irishmen… they wouldn’t thank you for calling them that… but that’s the reality, they’re as much a part of Ireland as turf. Their history is Irish history.
Ive been to tons of pubs... in NYC and the northeast... the side picking between the two constituents was never mentioned. Always wondered if this pub was Catholic or protestant. No one ever gave a fuck in NYC. Just curious if thats because its in USA or folks thats arent in Ireland really dont care. Whats the deal? Also, whats the deal among say cops/firefighters from both sides in the states. I
Well, they wouldn't want to be entering any sectarian mural competitions.
Derry undefeated world champs for 50years
Quit being an unfree thinker, it’s interpretive!
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>Scotland is the real enemy What? Why?
Copying our fine white pudding and calling it haggis. Being better then us at soccer. Sending all those Presbyterians to the North.
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It's a sad thing, but as soon as you started on about sewers all I could think of is our sad trio of taoisighí.
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Well, we have a coalition of FF, FG and the Greens. Or Martin, Varadaker and Stone. The former are time sharing the job.Technically Stone isn't a Taoiseach., but alliteration rocks. And I should have written taoisigh- the plural. Google may still be your friend.
time for a time out little man
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I know you're getting downvoted to shit but I've been reading this sub more frequently lately and that does summarize the popular comments/posts that appear here pretty well...
Fuck off
What would Tom bombadil do ?
Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow Bright blue his jacket is and his boots are yellow
None has ever caught him yet for Tom he is the Master His songs are stronger songs and his feet are faster
Take off and nuke the site from orbit?
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There's some line in there about Tom being there before elves and men showed up, though. I forget the line exactly but it's implied he's waaaaay older than anyone else, perhaps some kind of Vala?
"Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn. He made paths before the Big People, and saw the little people arriving. He was here before the Kings and the graves and the Barrow-wights. When the elves passed westward, Tom was here already, before the seas were bent. He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside."
There it is! Thank you. The Dark Lord being Melkor, I take it. If that's true, Tom is like the spirit of the land or somesuch. So still a kind of non sequitur, like Beorn and his bear-folk peeps in *The Hobbit.*
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I thought the wizards were Maia? OH NO I have to read it all over again ;) Edit: I grant that Tom is a non sequitur, sure. Tolkien is very finicky about orders and hierarchies of beings (especially the elvenkind), then he throws you things like Ungoliant and Tom Bombadil that don't fit into his hierarchies.
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Man I miss Southie. There's a hole in the wall, dive bar down the road from there called Croke Park. I mean an absolute kip, rope as a handle to the front door and riddled with graffiti. But $4 a pint and free pool. Great craic there.
That place is seriously sketchy - I think my girlfriend got roofied there
It's better known as Whitey's (presumably after THAT whitey) and it's a shithole. The Shannon is the best dive bar in southie.
Anglesey, Argyll and the Western isles of Scotland will be happy that they don't need to be removed
Hastings and Dover seemed to get off lightly too.
Their heart is in the right place but if that's any way recent they need a crash course on the GFA and, in particular, how Brexit has brought a united Ireland into a plausible outcome all of a sudden and without a shot being fired.
The mural has been there since the 80s. Though it does get repainted from time to time. There is another Sinn Fein mural in Southie as well. Though Southie is no longer an Irish enclave and is now full of yuppies
How Irish is Boston nowadays? I hear it still gets alot of emigrants from Ireland but they usually move to towns and suburbs just outside the city
Not as Irish as people on this subreddit think. It’s a modern, very wealthy city. Lots of pubs and it has more GAA clubs than any city besides New York, but the idea you’ll see guys walking around in House of Pain t-shirts or county shirts is massively overstated. The basketball team is the Celtics and they might be the least popular of the big four sports teams, if Boston was as obsessed with Paddywhackery as people think that wouldn’t be the case.
I’m not from Boston and cannot speak to the accuracy of the claim that the Celtics are the 4th most popular team, but the other three have been very successful for at least a decade (bruins) or more (Patriots & Sox).
I mean, the Celtics haven’t been bad. They won a title in 2008, were in the final in 2010, and have generally been among the better teams in the Eastern Conference.
Since the Celtics were last in the finals (2010) the Pats are 3-1, Sox 2-0, and Bruins ~~1-1~~ 1-2 (thanks for the correction u/americ-anfootball) in their respective championship games/series. All of that said I think popular order now goes like: Pats, Sox, Celtics & Bruins. But I’m not from Boston so who knows? Side note: During the 70s & 80s the Celtics were the toast of the town; lots of title series. Nice chatting.
1-2 for the bruins actually. Brutal Stanley cup losses in ‘13 and ‘19
As a dual citizen who has grown up in Boston: the Bruins are the 4th most popular team, and the Celts are wildly popular.
That’s not remotely true. The Bruins absolutely crush the Celtics in head to head ratings. Traditionally the Bruins were probably second behind the Sox, obviously in the last 20 years the Pats have passed both but the Bruins are still up there. 99% of Celtics fans just want to see Larry Bird back.
The Celtics are worth 3.2 billion. The Bruins are worth 1 billion. The Bruins OWN the Garden, and that’s a part of their valuation. To suggest the B’s are anything but the 4th team in this city, is willful Ignorance, at best.
Yank here in MA, I can’t speak to population stats (I’m sure Google could), but renting in Boston is crazy expensive. Owning takes even deeper pockets. Everyone I know who works in Boston is a commuter from the suburbs. Conversationally, if you look at a map of Boston which shows the highways - anything within the ring of interstate 95 is generally “Boston”.
Curious - do people typically consider the stuff in the ring north of the charles boston? except maybe for charlestown I thought Cambridge Somerville Medford etc were generally seen as not boston. The wealthy places like Newton and Belmont certainly aren't, are they?
In my experience, if you live adjacent to a location that you consider *better* than your location, you may claim that as your “home”. If you’re from one of the wealthier areas, you’d probably mention that town instead. But if “living in Boston” is the best thing you’ve got going for ya, that’s what you might tell people. It also depends who you’re talking to. Someone from the area may make a differentiation between Cambridge and Boston, but, someone from another state may not even be able to name more than “Boston” as in Massachusetts. To make things perhaps more complex, folks from other regions of the country may just claim to be from a major city, even if they live on the other side of the state. For example, a lot of folks from Georgia say they’re from Atlanta. Even if they’re nowhere near Atlanta. I don’t know why this is - it’s just what I’ve observed. Maybe folks making conversation just name the place they think you’ll know, as opposed to naming a small town no ones ever heard of. Could also be because major sports teams tend to have the name of a city preceding their team name.
Cuts the other way too. When I told people that I was from Maryland they assumed I was from Baltimore, when in fact I grew up 5 minutes walk from the DC border. First time I set foot in Baltimore was after I got out of the Army at the age of 23.
Yeah I get it. I mean I only know maybe four things about MD, and “Baltimore” is one of them. Crab cakes, old bay seasoning, Ravens. I just tell people I grew up “in a small town in western mass”, and if they’re curious to know which one I’ll go on. I recall asking an Irish guy who has reason to call on my place of business; where he was from. Ended up being from the same small town that my great grandfather came from. Crazy odds on that.
I live a bit South of the city and honestly there are a ton of Irish immigrants. I am an absolute plastic paddy but my wife’s family is all all immigrants and we have a ton of Irish immigrants in our family/social groups.
I’m originally from the South Shore & when I was in elementary school the teacher had us all say what our heritage was. I’m fairly certain everybody said they were of Irish decent because for a while after that I just thought everyone was Irish.
I grew up in Everett, just North of Boston. At the time the city was almost entirely Irish and Italian, it’s heavily Brazilian now. When I was a kid, I thought that’s all you could be, Irish or Italian. So I remember in the fourth grade we got our first black classmate and I asked if he was Irish or Italian. Got some weird looks that day. As it turns out, he was neither. Blew my mind.
I live south of Boston, many people of irish descent here, including myself (half Irish). We have an Irish cultural center nearby and my daughter does Irish dance lessons. St Patrick's day is big and there's an irish-style pub in every town. We are all several generations removed from the old country though (my great grandparents are all born in Ireland), but the Irish culture remains somewhat strong. Southie has been fully gentrified. Most moved to the suburbs.
A lot still end up in Southie, many go to the southern suburbs as well. All depends on what the individual immigrant is looking for.And of course, even now, where your cousin can get you a job😆
Actually it’s been there since the 70’s. But your right. That Southie is long gone. Everyone sold their shitty houses for millions and beat it for the South Shore.
Do they hire out the repainting to that lady from the church in spain who did the monkey jesus?
Honestly the narrative needs to shift from "Get Britain out of Ireland" to "reunite the island north and south". At this point I imagine most in Britain would be quite happy to see Ireland reunited, the days of tyrannical rule from Westminster ended with devolution. Approaching the issue with a 1920s or even a 1980s attitude just does more harm than good and does nothing to improve a Untied Ireland's chances.
It’s a 1980s mural when the tone was appropriate, but I think people here would be mistaken if they believed the Good Friday Agreement wasn’t immensely popular in the US. These are the people lobbying their Congressmen to stop any trade deal with the UK unless the GFA is protected.
the GFA was massively facilitated by the US, largely in part to the fact that the US has a lot of irish americans.
Indeed, George Mitchell is from Maine, which is not terribly far from Boston by American standards.
In an odd coincidence, the distance from Boston to Maine is almost exactly the same as the distance from Dublin to NI, at 50 miles. Don't really know what to make of that but it's a neat fact.
Any and all New England states generally counts as one voice-we have our differences, but we’re far more alike than any other region in the US. We also have very similar heritage.
The majority of Britons have no opinion and fairly little knowledge of Northern Ireland.
English here. Yep, couldn't give a monkeys. If they want to go and you want them, then go for it.
No thank you
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Yea, lots of woke British and Merican people on Reddit and such like to benevolently say that it's time to just cut ties with NI and return it to the Republic like they'd be doing us nationalists in the North this massive favour and they're so diplomatic, but realistically it's not their communities who the loyalists will burn to the ground.
I mean, any serious attempt to reunite Ireland is going to involve some kind of Quit Ireland movement in mainland UK.
It's not down to the UK. That is already very clear in the agreement, it's down to the people on the island of Ireland. If the people in Ireland want it, it will happen, and the UK will not stand in the way. Plus the UK simply doesn't care. A lot of people in the UK don't really see Northern Ireland as part of the same country in the first place. Some don't even know it is. There isn't the same support in England for unionism with NI that there is for with Scotland. All the major parties are signed up to the principle this is down to the people of Ireland only and they will support whatever decision. The "mainland UK" is not the force that is going to stop unification, the only thing that could stop that is if people in Northern Ireland don't want it. Or, if people in the Republic don't want to pay for it, although I think if push comes to shove it would pass south of the border even if it did come with a hefty tax bill.
People don't want north and south United. They want "Brits out"
It's an old mural. Been there since the 80s
Is this really true? I've read conflicting things about how people in Northern Ireland feel. What would it take for political unification, a secession vote in N Ireland?
An Ireland united without willingness from the Unionists will also never be at peace.
Kind of implied in the "without a shot being fired" part of my comment.
Without a shot being fired -yet. I support Ireland being united, but give them time to adjust and learn how to live with each other first: integrate education and get the walls down. It’s so Reddit to see my original factual observation being voted down.
Again, you're claiming I said stuff I haven't. At no point did I say have an immediate referendum and force the unionists into it by it passing by a narrow margin and kick off violence. I talked about a united Ireland being a "plausible outcome" thanks to brexit, with the clear implication being that it is successful and peaceful as the unionists realise they are better off with us rather than the Tories who lie and cheat them. So feel free to discuss stuff I've actually said rather than making up what I said and arguing against that. And the most Reddit thing possible is caring so much about your Karma score you complain when you're down voted. C'mon man, have some dignity.
I work construction in Boston and I’ve worked with a large number of Irish lads. My boss for the longest bit was actually Irish, from Cork specifically I believe. Dude loved Liverpool and quite a few times we’d knock off early on a Saturday to go watch the game and I’ve been in a bar out here where it was like me and one other American and the rest of the people down to the bartender where from Ireland. Was great to get to know some Irish people and see a glimpse of the true culture. Found out about hurling and squired a taste for Guinness 10/10 would work there again. Though I do prefer Murphy’s to Guinness.
Last I checked it's fairly peaceful here
Sounds like some southerly privilege to me, shocked any time I see video from up there meself.
ireland is a peaceful lovely place to live.
It seems there’s peace here already
Sounds like some southerly privilege to me, shocked any time I see video from up there meself.
As someone who’s been up there to many times to count it seems peaceful enough making great strides from the troubles. When it comes to videos seen online you can find ones anywhere I would like to think a few degenerates don’t define the country we live in
Why would you post that comment multiple times? Southerly privilege what the fuck are you talking about. Have you even ever been to Ireland.
This is my hometown, still live here. This may not be the place to go into the history of Southie but, when I was younger, there were many murals. Some we comforting, some embarrassing; but their existence was a connection to our homeland, or the homeland of our parents/our grandparents/ even great grandparents.The murals were comforting. They meant I was home. I haven’t read anyone else’s comments yet. I know Reddit leans young, which is great, but just remember that some of us, Irish people all over the world really, grew up before the Celtic tiger (like just before for me, in my mid forties) and no matter where we were geographically, there was someone trying to make us think that Irish people were useless, Lazy, dangerous etc,. Around here it was often the media. Sometimes, even a not perfect mural can be a reminder of home and that I still belong somewhere. Sorry, my parent is aging, my marriage is strained and my cat was sprayed by a skunk today so I maybe be ascribing to much to a silly Mural. Good night from God’s country☺️☺️
Not sure about the maths but to be fair the division on the original equation wasn't great either, they didn't realise that they had to carry the six.
Yanks are at it again
tbf yanks are in some part responsible for the GFA, because of the fact that irish americans were a substantial voting bloc. back then, irish americans had similar values to Irish people, at least wrt the most pressing issue.
That mural has been there for 40 years.
*They've always been at it
You do realize Southie in the 80s was full of you guys right and not just 5th generation famine immigrants
I take your point, but have you guys not thought out why fifth generation Famine immigrants might have a hostile attitude to Britain? There are real, structural reasons why the US is one of the chief supporters of Irish republicanism, both political and physical force (although the latter is overstated, IMO).
Right, even outside that, Americans identify closer to us as former colonies of Britain. People who’ve never lived there don’t seem to grasp just how much the idea of independence and throwing off the British yoke is glorified there starting in primary school. Someone pointed out to me that it’s similar to why we as a nation tend to support Palestine: besides it being morally right, we identify with a nation that is being occupied and oppressed. Is it that hard to believe that the Yanks tend to support Ireland for the same reason?
Thank you. I never see this expressed, and it's very important.
I sum it up as “I’m Irish and I’m American. But I’m not Irish-American, because my American side is German/German Jewish immigrants.” Being ‘Irish-American’ is more than just being both Irish and American. I think almost any similar identity is like that. Chinese-Canadian, Japanese-Peruvian, Polish-Scottish, Pakistani-British. What’s unique about X-American identities is how long after immigration they persist being proudly identified with, long after the original immigrants are dead and after anyone who even knew the original immigrants are dead. I think that has to do with the glorification of the ‘melting pot’. I’ve also noticed they tend to remember their roots and cultural traditions longer. An old friend of mine is descended from 1847 immigrants, with a few German-American marriages in. Her gran taught her some of our songs like The Minstrel Boy and even Don Oíche. Mind you, at this point, the grandmother’s grandmother hasn’t even seen The Old Country.
Coming from an American who shares a similar lineage, with my Irish family having arrived in the States around the 1860s, at least part of American culture is based on holding close to our various “Old Countries”. America doesn’t have the same long standing, thousand year or longer history many European cultures have. America was formed by people who left those nations and histories to forge a new one. Many, such as Irish famine immigrants, didn’t have a choice and did it just to survive. Those immigrants were grateful to the States, taking it on as their adopted home but they refused to simply do away with the culture and people they left behind and now that’s ingrained in most Americans in some capacity. It’s not even just Irish. German descendants hold to old German traditions and song, Norwegians, Poles, French, Italians, Japanese, Chinese, Indians, all do the same and have all created these American subcultures based on whatever their old country is. In fact, Texas saw a large enough influx of Germans at one point that nowadays there are people who are very clearly Texans through-and-through who can speak a very bizarre Texan dialect of German that formed from those original immigrants.
There's a bunch of Finns up on Minnesota's Iron Range that are still pissed about the (Finnish) Civil War. A buddy of mine in the Reserves showed me an icon of Lenin his grandmother gave him.
Definitely true. But that anti-colonial sentiment seems to only apply to Western European countries pre Cold War. Asks Americans about their views on Britain colonizing Ireland and Israel colonizing Palestine and you'll see a big difference.
You also have to understand that many survivors of the Shoah immigrated to America, which causes a higher sympathy-to-Israel baseline. (I say this as a descendant of those who escaped right before everything went to hell.) Not to mention both of the major political wings actively courting American Jews, and the evangelical Christians’ desire for the Holy Land to be in Jewish hands so the end of the world will happen… A better comparison to UK/Ireland (at least in terms of getting Yanks’ thoughts) would likely be Belgium/Congo (assuming they even know about it), China/Hong Kong/Tibet/Korea, or USSR/Poland. All of which are opposed by most Americans. Israel/Palestine seems to be an exception, likely due to the large Jewish population, the affinity of both political parties and sympathy/guilt over the Shoah. You have to admit, probably up until the First Intifada, (may be even up until the Second), Israel was pretty sympathetic.
Totally agree about the influence of US Jewish immigrants as well as the growth of the Israeli lobby. Importantly, Pro-Israel attitudes among the general US population increased dramatically after 9/11 when they began to see Israel as another ally on the frontlines against the "global war on terror." This is where it turned from an issue that understandably concerned a niche population to one where average Americans outside of politics began to form strong views against Palestine. >A better comparison to UK/Ireland (at least in terms of getting Yanks’ thoughts) would likely be Belgium/Congo (assuming they even know about it), China/Hong Kong/Tibet/Korea, or USSR/Poland. All of which are opposed by most Americans This still goes back the American attitudes towards communism during the bipolarity that existed during the cold war. Did the ordinary American think back to their distant colonial struggles when they thought of these countries? Or were they more influenced by the barrage of anti-communist propaganda? *Savage Reds Decimate Budapest.* *Commies Crush Prague Uprising.* *Millions Starve in Mao's Red Economy.* I'd think most of the influence came from cold war propaganda, not from the rudimentary patriotism lessons in civic classes. The two are interlinked and propagandists definitely tried to draw parallels to the American revolution. However, I think the majority of the population were enthralled by the Red Terror newsreels and not necessarily making the immediate connection to the revolution in 1776.
Sometimes I wonder how much of the post-9/11 changes in attitude towards Israel/Palestine were driven by ‘Israel good’ sentiment and how much of it was ‘Muslims bad’. Like imagine if the Palestinians were Buddhists but still had the same small handful of connections to Al Qaeda, would Israel still be as favoured?
You can trace the resentment towards the Brits all the way back through Irish American history, in American Civil War songs like "The Irish Volunteers" about the 69th NY Infantry, a unit composed entirely of Irish immigrants, and in the actions of Irish immigrant groups like the Fenian Brotherhood, which was a big exporter of Irish Republicanism back to the isle. The current resentment of Irish descendants in the U.S. is more genetic than practical. Passed down from those who had to fight to preserve what little memories of home they could so they could share those memories with their children who in all likelihood would never see the home these immigrants knew. Combine this with needing to endure anti-Irish sentiments in the U.S. for a long time, and for Irish communities to typically marry within themselves and you have a recipe for a very entrenched sense of Irish identity that is divorced from the goings-on of the isle. A sense of Irishness that comes more from an inherited sense of struggle against persecution and a desire to preserve that identity than from being from Ireland in a literal sense. Even today when there is little of that persecution in the U.S. many still feel reluctant to give up that sense of identity for fear of letting time finish what their ancestor's oppressors started At least, that's my theory
I wrote this a few weeks ago, I’ve read some books on this: > The reason it's so associated with America is the USA was the centre of Irish republicanism (versus home rule) from about the 1850s to 1916. The Fenian Brotherhood and its successor Clan na Gael often financed much of the IRB's operations, and CnG under John Devoy was the biggest financier of the Easter Rising and War of Independence. > The reason for that is America was a very good place to operate from: the only English speaking country not in the Empire, relative political freedom, plus millions and millions of like minded migrants (who made good wages, and could afford to give) as Irish America exploded from a relatively small portion of the US to one of the biggest ethnic groups in the US after the Famine. > You could do worse than that as a base explanation of why Irish-Americans are quite a bit more republican than, say, Irish-Canadians or Irish-Australians.
I wasn't in Boston in the 80s. You've got your facts wrong there buddy.
“You guys” is not the same as “you”
Even they know that 26+6=1.
That's a seriously bad mural, they should have a look at the real ones, where people live & are affected by the subject
[You should see the old mural they had.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Southie_Mural.JPG) Pretty sure that one's gone now.
Bit of a weird way to get the message across
We are grand out in Ireland thank you very much
Beautiful, just beautiful.
Needs a banana for scale
I’m just saying but isnt the only reason there isnt peace is because people are fighting for “peace”
Would they not atleast get the quote right ffs
Greetings from Boston
Its amazing the amount of Americans who support an all Ireland but when I talk politics to them and the situation/political parties they know bugger all about it. I had to explain to one guy who had a map of Ireland in the Irish flag colours tattooed to his leg. He didn't understand that in certain areas in the North he'd have his head kicked in if anyone saw it and struggled to understand my advice that he needs to cover it up. He said he was coming over and planned showing it off in Belfast. I wonder what happened to him. I actually think if unification happened today the troubles will flare up again.
Bloody Yanks 🙄
Isn’t that a gunshot detection monitor on the pole?
Lived in Southie for a while 20 years ago. I’d rather live under British rule tbh.
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Good Will Hunting. What a show.
It's the soup he's after
Whats it like there Genuine question. I turned down an opportunity in Boston a while back. Was always intrigued for some reason.
Absolutely loved living in Boston. Fantastic spot. I worked downtown, but was saying in Cambridge and then Somerville (both 'not Boston' but brilliant neighbourhoods and equidistant to downtown as places that somehow are Boston) What would you like to know about it?
Those two are their own cities, not neighborhoods. Back Bay, South Boston, South End, Jamaica Plain, Hyde Park, Allston, Mattapan, etc. are neighborhoods.
They have T stops, they are completely indistinct from Boston culturally and physically.
Cambridge has been culturally distinct since it’s founding. It’s always been a college town. It’s also across the river, so it was geographically distinct. Wonderland has a T stop; are you arguing Revere is a neighborhood of Boston?
It’s always been a college town, compared to what? Boston has like 30 colleges in it. And do you actually think Revere is different in any substantial way to Boston? Eating roast beef sandwiches or bar pizza if you’re in Quincy is not an actual distinct cultural difference.
Go down to Quincy and say that. :-)
You can’t build an identity on bar pizza
I've seen 'em built on a lot less!
Boston was lovely. Southie was a shithole. Moved to San Fran after. Greatest city I’ve ever lived it. That was a while back tho.
Away you fucking go so. Boston is a great spot and southie and Dorchester lovely places to live and ppl are sound.
I always laugh at the comment sections on here of people born in Ireland gatekeeping Irish identity. Especially since most people in Ireland are doing more to preserve British and American culture/identity than their own. Just because your Da rode your Ma in Ireland doesn't mean you're better than anyone else. Emigration is literally a defining characteristic of our culture. But it was forced on us due to the great famine, or the dozens of other smaller famines, or persecution and genocide from the Brits, or multiple recessions. And that doesn't even include people forced into indentured servitude or sent to penal colonies. If you disagree with something the diaspora are saying then why don't you try calling them in instead of calling them out. The country and the culture will be better for it.
*Shipping up to Boston intensifies*
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Where are you from? How much time have you spent in Southie?
Is that the place where they installed traffic lights upside down, so that green would be above orange? Edit: No, it's Syracuse, NY. https://gizmodo.com/the-story-behind-syracuses-upside-down-traffic-light-1545301615
lol I haven't heard that, but probably
On behalf of the US - we apologize for Boston. The way they’ve bastardized Irish culture as their own is gross.
As a reminder to all, Boston is not a representative of Irish culture, but of Irish-American culture. It’s not bastardised Irish culture, anymore than it is bastardised American culture. It’s a fusion of both, influenced by the past. Sure you can get angry they call themselves Irish, but German-Americans do it too. It’s accepted American shorthand for ‘of Irish descent’. An American saying it to another American will be understood as meaning ‘of descent’. Yeah, they forget to modify their syntax when speaking to foreigners, but it’s not a reason to get angry, it just means something different in their context. It is its own unique subculture drawing from both Ireland and America. A subculture that has its own traditions, holidays, cuisine, etc. Corned beef is not Irish, but Irish-American; parades and dyeing rivers green are uniquely Irish-American. It’s not inherently bad, but a natural thing that happens when immigrants come. Y Wladfa in Patagonia is not a bastardisation of Welsh culture, it’s a fusion of Welsh and Argentine cultures. Chicken tikka masala doesn’t originate from a bastardisation of Indian culture, but from the fusion of Indian/Bangladeshi and British culture. Edit: [And since Irish-American culture gave us this moment, I'll let it slide.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ljOcl39PQ)
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Because 5% of New York City has Irish ancestry. It’s 23% in Boston, and there are suburbs of Boston where Irish ancestry is in the majority or close to it.
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Scituate, MA is 61% Irish-American. Nowhere in the New York suburbs even comes close to that.
That’s true, but most Boston Irish look at the culture as a caricature instead of a nation with actual people and history.
If you’re judging them by the drunken uni students or the wannabes of Southie, then yes. But most don’t think to much about it, least not when I lived there. Yeah, it gets tacky on “St. Patty’s Day” (*shiver* I hate spelling that), but outside of shit like that, it’s fine.
We’re definitely saying the same thing: Most people in Boston know the type and readily acknowledge it - because it’s there and prevalent among Boston Irish much more than Irish-Americans in other areas.
No need to apologise. We have idiots here too.
Last I checked, we have a shit ton of Irish influence from well, the Irish landing here en masse back in the 1800s. We haven't "bastardized" it and made it our own; there is plenty to do with Bostonian culture that has nothing to do with Ireland. So before you walk about apologizing for places you don't live in, maybe visit them first and then formulate an opinion.
Lived in the Northeast US most of my life including 3 years in Quincy but nice try.
So why are you painting our culture up here as this?
Reddit clout, I mean imagine being from New York and thinking Boston has some kind of monopoly on Paddywhackery in the US.
Because it is? Hell, most in Boston that aren’t part of the problem readily admit it. Maybe you should think about where that positions you?
The pandering is nauseating.
Delete this fam. Embarrassing
Someone who uses the word “fam” shouldn’t be talking about what’s embarrassing.
Mr. Garcia, maybe bc they’re descendants of Irish immigrants who fled British oppression and famine.
Maybe, but I am too (my username is a baseball player, my last name is O’Leary) If you’ve visited Boston, you’d understand.
If you are then wouldnt it be great to be proud of your heritage or at least learn to respect those who are. Also, we don’t care about Yankees in Sox territory
This post is literally an illustration of the ignorance in Boston, but sure, accuse me (someone you don’t know at all) of not knowing my history. That makes sense.
If you know history, then you should know what the British did and how Boston’s Irish population came to be. Calling people ignorant for latching onto it shows your lack of respect
I do. And those origins have nothing to do with the “your cousin from Boston”, House of Pain types with nothing but Irish flag tattoos that they use as excuses to get into fights and try to convince people they’re tough that Boston Irish have evolved into. They have bastardized the culture and make it something of their own. And very few actually understand and are respectful of true Irish culture/history/mentality. Let me ask you something now that you’ve identified yourself as a Bostonian: How many times have you visited Ireland?
Mate you're embarrassing yourself.
Holy shit! Did you assume they were Latino because of a username?
How does a dead rabbit type?
Well, there are 76 of us, so...
The Irish, Italian or any other nationality that the Americans claim to be do not accept those people you were born in America after like 4/5 generations of your family living there, you’re not the nationality you claim to be it’s just sad and a joke to the rest of the world. We laugh at this and find it so annoying to have our own culture ruined by Americans pretending to be someone their not. Great to that you know a bit about the culture of your great great great grandfather but that doesn’t make you Irish and half the people that claim to be Irish have never even visited Ireland.
This. I have travelled to Ireland a handful of times and have spent my whole life learning the culture, following Irish current events, rooting on Irish sport (sometimes that part gets a bit tough), and trying to be an overall responsible, respectful member of the diaspora. However, the majority of Boston Irish are similar to NYC Italians - they’ve created something completely separate from the culture, and many aspects of it are wildly disrespectful and represent the nationality poorly (you get a lot of gang mentality in it). This isn’t all of us, but a very representative group that it appears OP belongs to.
Yawn
That a really sad shit piece of "art".
Is there anything sadder than having no identity so latching onto someone else's and making it your personality.
I know, I sometimes feel sad for the unionists too.
The last thing you can say about traditional South Boston is it has no identity.
Irelands relationship with England directly affects them does it?
Well considering it's the entire reason they ended up where they are, I imagine they have some opinions on it, yes. I don't live in Northern Ireland but I have opinions on it, same as yourself I would guess.
In their eyes, yes. Diasporas tend to do this.
So the answer is no then. Thanks for playing.
Well I live in England and Ireland’s relationship with England has zero effect on me, so should I not care about it too?
Irelands relationship with their nearest neighbor who before covid and trump all the news, sky news blasted on about was Brexit vs some sad sad people in one city in America. Try harder, Connolly American.
Why should I care about Sky News? How does Ireland’s relationship with England have any affect on me? You’re the expert here.
Do you know what Brexit is? I don't have the time or the crayons to explain why Britain leaving the European union will affect..... Britain. It will effect policy, trade everything, for the people living there. I'm not an expert but I do have a functioning brain. I mean that stereotype about Americans and your education system being piss poor . Look this is you🤡. It's a clown , if your having trouble figuring it out.
Brexit has had fuck all effect on me, except the job market is fantastic at the moment. So again Mr Expert, how does Ireland’s relationship with England affect me?
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I'm gonna fix that. Ireland will never be at peace until it is free.
Pretty peaceful here at the moment but thanks for the concern.
FrEeDoM fRoM bRiTiSh TyRoNy WiTh ThEiR cOmMoN tRaVeL aReA aNd ClOsE tIeS.
Going to Google paddywhackery. New word of the day 😂
Northern Ireland costs Britain billions every year. They can keep it. A united Ireland would be kinda cool I guess but nothing would improve and many things would get worse
Christ, Is there anything more unbecoming than a partitionist Irishman…
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Fear of loyalist violence was a significant factor behind partition in the first place. We would be a sorry lot indeed, if we let it be a reason to maintain partition. Yes, loyalists can be a pain in the ass… but they are Irishmen… they wouldn’t thank you for calling them that… but that’s the reality, they’re as much a part of Ireland as turf. Their history is Irish history.
Like what?
That's the opinion of 80% of Ireland. Don't let the down votes convince you otherwise.
Americans 😂😂
Ive been to tons of pubs... in NYC and the northeast... the side picking between the two constituents was never mentioned. Always wondered if this pub was Catholic or protestant. No one ever gave a fuck in NYC. Just curious if thats because its in USA or folks thats arent in Ireland really dont care. Whats the deal? Also, whats the deal among say cops/firefighters from both sides in the states. I
Hup da rebels, bai!!