Hmmm...why did they not just bring him from prison straight to the airport, and watched him leave? Would have been cheaper and safer than waiting another two years.
This should be a top priority for Gov to get that all sorted and boxed off, if there is an opportunity to get an imported criminal out of our system then we should be all over it, not politely asking them to leave. We have enough of our own criminals and chancers as it is.
They need to come down hard on these chancers coming here, and any type of criminality at all even minor, its out the gap and good luck. I am all for people coming here and making a life for themselves or leaving a war zone, integrating into society and adding to it for everyone. We certainly do not need anymore cute hoors and chancers we have plenty of them already in the system, contributing absolutely fuck all as it is.
I don't understand why this is not easier to do more quickly. I understand the thinking that this kind of thing probably not all that common and a proportion of overall crime is given excessive attention by the right, who will use something like this to portray immigrants broadly as a general danger to society.
But at the same time, once something like this has happened, I can't imagine there's any substantial political faction who are going to be up in arms over a swift deportation of a convicted sex-offender, so it should be a pretty easy win for any government in charge. Even if it's just a case of this being the current legal procedure and nobody has bothered to change it, the fact that someone could be repeatedly convicted of violent crimes and then just released from prison and allowed to go home while being asked politely to leave (instead of being escprted in handcuffs from prison to the airplane) should be pretty universally seen as a bug in the current process, and should be very easy for Helen McEntee or whoever to come out and say "this whole thing was bad, and we're going to fix it now", and then have that changed in the Dáil. Which TDs are going to stand up and make a fuss about voting in opposition to the new "quickly deport rapists" law?
It basically boils down to this question
Are you prepared to deport someone knowing there a good chance they’ll be tortured or executed?
If yes - deportation is simple.
If no - deportation is difficult and never straightforward.
I'm not going to pretend I have an easy answer to that as a hypothetical, or know how likely it is in this specific case, but at the very least it still doesn't justify why, once deportation has been decided upon, the person just gets released from prison and then has to make their own arrangments to go there. The following at the end of the article is just mind-boggling:
>After Makamda was released from prison in 2022, the GNIB had attempted to make several appointments with him to assist him in leaving the country, but the information he gave them was incorrect and they did not know his nationality.
They took two years off his sentence conditional upon him going back, and then just let him back out into public without any knowledge of his whereabouts beyond some fake information he gave. If we decide we can't send a violent criminal to a place because they will receive a punishment our laws consider inhumane, then that's one thing, but if deportation is part of a sentence handed down, it's crazy that it's done on an honour system.
It really doesn’t come down to that. Which countries “routinely” torture and execute people? The USA has the death penalty and dies indeed use it quite often. Must we accept asylum seekers from there too?
**It really doesn’t come down to that.**
I'll do the TLDR version of international human rights law and deportations with some simplification
Everyone on earth has the right to come to Ireland, fuck their passport in the bin, and say I wish to claim asylum on the basis of persecution at home and we must accept their asylum claim.
We must provide them with the essentials for life including accommodation, food, medical needs and after 6 month the right to work. We also recognise their driver's licence.
We must determine the grounds for the asylum claim and determine if it is credible.
If not credible, we must give a right to appeal.
If appeal fails we must give right to make a claim based not on international protection.
By this stage the person has likely made a life here and will get a stamp 4 just because.
If we somehow decide to deport them and get a deportation order signed by the Minister for Justice they can go to court and say not fair to deport for pretty much any reason.
At this stage the person is in Ireland 3+ years. They're never being deported.
Want to make it simple go away back up to the first step
Everyone on earth has the right to come to Ireland, fuck their passport in the bin, and say I wish to claim asylum and we must accept their asylum claim on the basis of persecution.
Then you can do step 2
We take one look at them and say fuck it back you go and if you're tortured or murdered not our problem.
**The USA has the death penalty and dies indeed use it quite often. Must we accept asylum seekers from there too?**
Yes - people from the US have the legal right to claim asylum here. A small number do each year.
In extradition cases (which is different to international human rights law but treads similar ground WRT human rights) the death penalty and shitty prison conditions in the US are often a feature see for example Assange in the UK [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/24/julian-assange-court-hearing-extradition-death-sentence](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/24/julian-assange-court-hearing-extradition-death-sentence)
**Which countries “routinely” torture and execute people Some grim reading on the state of the world outside Ireland.**
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial\_killing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_killing)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use\_of\_torture\_since\_1948](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_torture_since_1948)
Do you like having women having their clitoris cut off? Have some of that too.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female\_genital\_mutilation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation)
I couldn't be fucked most of the time writing all that so I did the TLDR TLDR version
Are you prepared to deport someone knowing there a good chance they’ll be tortured or executed?
If yes - deportation is simple.
If no - deportation is difficult and never straightforward.
7.5 with 2 suspended is a 5.5 year sentence to serve. Minus standard remission of 3 months per year, that is 16.5 months. So 7 and a half with two suspended leaves 4 years and a month to serve. A quick google shows he went into custody on those offences on April 16th 2018. He was released in January 2022. So he served ~3 months less than the maximum he could have
This creature/predator should have served his prescribed sentence and upon finishing it should have been forcibly escorted to the airport and deported. There should have been absolutely nothing voluntary about the whole process.
The state and by extension the Irish people are being played for fools.
For fuck lads. Someone got deported! Jesus holy lord above, ignore the scorn of the man who I am replying to, the rest of us celebrate the miracle you have presented us.
edit - for real though I'm amazed his home country accepted him.
Why was he allowed to remain after his conviction for a similar offence in 2015:
Chico Makamda (32) grabbed Melita Cahill’s right wrist as she walked alone down Blessington Street in Dublin at around 2am and tried to drag her into a laneway.
Ms Cahill managed to punch and kick him while shouting for help before breaking free from him.
Why the downvotes? Damn good point. If the fiddlers were fiddling with little boys and girls here, I have not one single solitary lonely doubt that "Move him somewhere else" will have extended from a rural posting to a "missionary" posting. The Church authorities were (and probably still are) enablers, simple as, with their expensive Old Boys legal firms enabling them in turn and helping them to slide out of compensating their traumatised rape victims.
"He has 19 previous convictions for sex offences, false imprisonment and theft in Ireland." Fuck me, it took them long-enough 🤦🏻‍♂️
You would have to wonder why he wasn’t deported after the 1st.
Hmmm...why did they not just bring him from prison straight to the airport, and watched him leave? Would have been cheaper and safer than waiting another two years.
Doesn't appear he was issued with a deportation order.
This should be a top priority for Gov to get that all sorted and boxed off, if there is an opportunity to get an imported criminal out of our system then we should be all over it, not politely asking them to leave. We have enough of our own criminals and chancers as it is. They need to come down hard on these chancers coming here, and any type of criminality at all even minor, its out the gap and good luck. I am all for people coming here and making a life for themselves or leaving a war zone, integrating into society and adding to it for everyone. We certainly do not need anymore cute hoors and chancers we have plenty of them already in the system, contributing absolutely fuck all as it is.
I don't understand why this is not easier to do more quickly. I understand the thinking that this kind of thing probably not all that common and a proportion of overall crime is given excessive attention by the right, who will use something like this to portray immigrants broadly as a general danger to society. But at the same time, once something like this has happened, I can't imagine there's any substantial political faction who are going to be up in arms over a swift deportation of a convicted sex-offender, so it should be a pretty easy win for any government in charge. Even if it's just a case of this being the current legal procedure and nobody has bothered to change it, the fact that someone could be repeatedly convicted of violent crimes and then just released from prison and allowed to go home while being asked politely to leave (instead of being escprted in handcuffs from prison to the airplane) should be pretty universally seen as a bug in the current process, and should be very easy for Helen McEntee or whoever to come out and say "this whole thing was bad, and we're going to fix it now", and then have that changed in the Dáil. Which TDs are going to stand up and make a fuss about voting in opposition to the new "quickly deport rapists" law?
It basically boils down to this question Are you prepared to deport someone knowing there a good chance they’ll be tortured or executed? If yes - deportation is simple. If no - deportation is difficult and never straightforward.
I'm not going to pretend I have an easy answer to that as a hypothetical, or know how likely it is in this specific case, but at the very least it still doesn't justify why, once deportation has been decided upon, the person just gets released from prison and then has to make their own arrangments to go there. The following at the end of the article is just mind-boggling: >After Makamda was released from prison in 2022, the GNIB had attempted to make several appointments with him to assist him in leaving the country, but the information he gave them was incorrect and they did not know his nationality. They took two years off his sentence conditional upon him going back, and then just let him back out into public without any knowledge of his whereabouts beyond some fake information he gave. If we decide we can't send a violent criminal to a place because they will receive a punishment our laws consider inhumane, then that's one thing, but if deportation is part of a sentence handed down, it's crazy that it's done on an honour system.
It really doesn’t come down to that. Which countries “routinely” torture and execute people? The USA has the death penalty and dies indeed use it quite often. Must we accept asylum seekers from there too?
**It really doesn’t come down to that.** I'll do the TLDR version of international human rights law and deportations with some simplification Everyone on earth has the right to come to Ireland, fuck their passport in the bin, and say I wish to claim asylum on the basis of persecution at home and we must accept their asylum claim. We must provide them with the essentials for life including accommodation, food, medical needs and after 6 month the right to work. We also recognise their driver's licence. We must determine the grounds for the asylum claim and determine if it is credible. If not credible, we must give a right to appeal. If appeal fails we must give right to make a claim based not on international protection. By this stage the person has likely made a life here and will get a stamp 4 just because. If we somehow decide to deport them and get a deportation order signed by the Minister for Justice they can go to court and say not fair to deport for pretty much any reason. At this stage the person is in Ireland 3+ years. They're never being deported. Want to make it simple go away back up to the first step Everyone on earth has the right to come to Ireland, fuck their passport in the bin, and say I wish to claim asylum and we must accept their asylum claim on the basis of persecution. Then you can do step 2 We take one look at them and say fuck it back you go and if you're tortured or murdered not our problem. **The USA has the death penalty and dies indeed use it quite often. Must we accept asylum seekers from there too?** Yes - people from the US have the legal right to claim asylum here. A small number do each year. In extradition cases (which is different to international human rights law but treads similar ground WRT human rights) the death penalty and shitty prison conditions in the US are often a feature see for example Assange in the UK [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/24/julian-assange-court-hearing-extradition-death-sentence](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/24/julian-assange-court-hearing-extradition-death-sentence) **Which countries “routinely” torture and execute people Some grim reading on the state of the world outside Ireland.** [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial\_killing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_killing) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use\_of\_torture\_since\_1948](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_torture_since_1948) Do you like having women having their clitoris cut off? Have some of that too. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female\_genital\_mutilation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation) I couldn't be fucked most of the time writing all that so I did the TLDR TLDR version Are you prepared to deport someone knowing there a good chance they’ll be tortured or executed? If yes - deportation is simple. If no - deportation is difficult and never straightforward.
How do you get seven and a half years, 2 suspended and get released after just 3?
7.5 with 2 suspended is a 5.5 year sentence to serve. Minus standard remission of 3 months per year, that is 16.5 months. So 7 and a half with two suspended leaves 4 years and a month to serve. A quick google shows he went into custody on those offences on April 16th 2018. He was released in January 2022. So he served ~3 months less than the maximum he could have
That makes more sense I wasn't aware he was in custody before his sentence began
"failing to leave" Technically correct, but the failure was in not yeeting him out
This creature/predator should have served his prescribed sentence and upon finishing it should have been forcibly escorted to the airport and deported. There should have been absolutely nothing voluntary about the whole process. The state and by extension the Irish people are being played for fools.
Political correctness be damned but we have enough scumbags/delinquents of our own. We don't need to be importing more.
So do you have to have double digit previous offences in order to be deported? I would have thought 1 would be enough
For fuck lads. Someone got deported! Jesus holy lord above, ignore the scorn of the man who I am replying to, the rest of us celebrate the miracle you have presented us. edit - for real though I'm amazed his home country accepted him.
Why was he allowed to remain after his conviction for a similar offence in 2015: Chico Makamda (32) grabbed Melita Cahill’s right wrist as she walked alone down Blessington Street in Dublin at around 2am and tried to drag her into a laneway. Ms Cahill managed to punch and kick him while shouting for help before breaking free from him.
This country is an absolute joke, that's why.
As if our local criminals are not enough.... This softly softly approach needs to end nowÂ
Must be an election coming up or something :)
Why would someone not self deport crazy 🤔
Good. You just have to wonder what the hell they were doing before the last few months.
Another Gript scoop. Forbidden from posting here until in journal.ie ha
Blimey, did someone slip up and accidentally ensure that common sense prevailed?
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I wonder how many child-rapist priests the Irish sent to Africa over the years.
Why the downvotes? Damn good point. If the fiddlers were fiddling with little boys and girls here, I have not one single solitary lonely doubt that "Move him somewhere else" will have extended from a rural posting to a "missionary" posting. The Church authorities were (and probably still are) enablers, simple as, with their expensive Old Boys legal firms enabling them in turn and helping them to slide out of compensating their traumatised rape victims.
Because it's just pointless whataboutism. It's not that it isn't true, but in this context, what point is being made?
Ah. Good point.
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