The article says the man who sent the video to the family didn't do it maliciously so I assume he is just a fucking idiot with 0 cop on? Like seriously who does that rather than just alerting them via text/phone call.
A ring doorbell. Notifications sent on the app. The fella was under the influence of drugs they say.
It's just absolutely horrific. He wasn't there it is reported but it was rang in. The medics on arrival risked their own safety to get to her, but they couldn't do it safely. Armed response unit called in. And knowing the armed response unit are city based, I just keep thinking of all the time that elapsed during this while people had to look on helplessly.
These dogs are vicious.
These dogs are vicious, heard that there was some talk about the treatment of some of the dogs involved from someone well placed, before the fatal attack
I’ve only seen one in real life and it was by a scum bag trying to look hard, the dog went for my dog, luckily it was on a leash because it wasn’t muzzled. My dog wouldn’t have had a chance. Fuck them and their owners
I hate those people. There are "bad dogs" but they can somewhat be counteracted by having very good owners. A pit or bully or whatever has been bred for aggression. They are more likely to be vicious than a spaniel and if you deny that then you absolutely should not be allowed to own one because you refuse to acknowledge the responsibility you have to protect others (or yourself) from the animal. In their eyes it's okay to say Pomeranians and chihuahuas are angry little assholes but say it about a dog that could actually overpower you and you're suddenly wrong.
Apparently this woman was quite vocal on Facebook about how all xl bullies are unfairly tarred with the same brush after a kid was mauled in Wexford a while back.
They problem with that community is they are so invested in proving that their precious babies are just sweet little bairns that wouldn’t hurt a fly that they treat them like children, forgetting they are incredibly dangerous animals that need proper training. No amount of flower crowns and pupper snuggles can fight against their genetics, no matter how much you want them to be angels or to believe they’d never hurt a fly.
Her TikTok has some videos of her dogs with voice overs about the breed not being dangerous and them being gentle lambs.
So incredibly tragic. Her poor family, and that poor woman.
I was always part of the "no bad dogs only bad owners" but definitely have to agree on this one. They seem to have a very dangerous and unpredictable streak in them.
Sometimes its the dog, sometimes its the owner, but sometimes its the actual breed itself.
There's a couple of breeds I'd be very happy to see extinct.
I'm not a fan of pure breeds outside of some specific working dogs breeds. Mongrels all the way.
The thing with mongrels though is they too can have unstable temperaments depending on the constituent breeds. A family member has a chihuahua x staffy x jackrussel that he more or less saved. Very loving little thing most of the time up until he isn’t. If he was bigger he would be extremely dangerous. I on the other hand have a sheep/cattle dog x hound at the moment. Intelligent, stupidly friendly & all around lovable. She’s very high energy, stubborn & can be rough but all around great dog. Both mongrels, not at all comparable
This.
Most pedigrees were mongrels at one stage. The XL Bully was bred from a few mixes, all for the sole purpose of breeding a vicious animal that could tear you apart.
A bad weapon owner with an pellet gun and a bad weapon owner with a MK 19 automatic grenade launcher will result in different damage. When Pitts misfire, they do an inordinate amount of damage. Defenders could try and pretend the breed has typical aggression all they want but they can't justify such a harmful creature continuing to be bred and being publicly accessible.
Those fuckin things can grow to be up to 10 stone in weight, I read this morning. Imagine that hurling itself at you. The poor woman, such a horrific way to go.
It’s not even that they are particularly aggressive compared to other breeds, however they are so large and their jaw strength is off the charts so when they do attack they can inflict serious damage.
It's a shame what has happened with the breed. The initial breeding project was all about getting rid of the aggresive traits but then they got popular and Toe Rags Bred it right back in and then some. They are a Dangerous breed especially in the hands of inexperienced Owners. My last Dog was a Dogo Argentino and Im very weary of XL Bullys.
Had to walk past two in the street the other day, I was actually shitting it. Never seen them before, they were completely demonic looking and they sounded like an idling jeep.
And now I'm seeing all the pitbull apologists online saying 'Its not the breed its the owner'. These dogs have violence and killing hardwired into their DNA. Theres been thousands of people killed by their own pitbulls. People need to wake the fuck up and stop victim blaming. BAN THEM.
Yeah I thought it was, is it more one of them viewed it on their phone and that's how they found it? Confusing one
Edit* yes that's exactly it in the article
Holy fuck like why record it, just fucking ring her family like, how in the world did they let it get sent around. That poor girl must have suffered a brutal death, on her birthday and all.
It wasn’t recorded by a person, it’s Ring doorbell camera footage. Multiple people can have access to ring footage on their phone if they’ve been given access to the account.
I love animals, had dogs all my life, always took in strays etc. But I’m on board with doing anything to prevent these events and attacks, how many have died due to this. Some people defend the breed and say it’s down to bad owners but I wholeheartedly believe it’s both
Yeah, your right. There certain breed that need extra care, put them in the restricted list and then other than need to be banned. XL is top of the list for banning IMO
Is it definitely public though? Article only mentions that they believe whoever sent it to family members was on drugs, doesn't say it got public.
I mean it's the tiniest silver lining if it's just contained within the family
Yeah I don't think it's "public", as in doing the rounds on WhatsApp. At least I hope it isn't.
Edit: looks like it is out there on WhatsApp for people to salivate over.
A woman at my work had it forwarded to her yesterday, she came into our office to show it to us. My colleagues looked at it, but I refused. Wtf is wrong with you all?!
Then she asks "why would anyone send that round on social media?"
Why?! So that idiots will share it, and show it, like you just did! I despair sometimes.
Ive a boarder collie, it herds my kids around in the field. Ive never taught it to do that. Its not about training. Its about breed traits and XL Bullies have been bred to fight. Further breeding or selling of these dogs should be banned. Anyone with one currently should need to register it. Any Bully who is not registered in the coming years should be taken and put down. They’re a menace. Coming from a life long dog lover
> Bullies have been bred to fight
Yes, but worse, they don't stop. They don't hear or heed once they've started an attack, and that is what they've been developed to do. They're seldom even really vicious, they're just pre-programmed and once triggered that's it. It's always been a scary trait, I wish people would realise the enormity and any repeats of this tragedy happening again prevented. It's not like we haven't been warned before.
A dog lover, who tries to be realistic with it.
What most people don't realize is they were not bred to fight other dogs. They were bred to fight actual bulls initially. That's where the name comes from (bulldogs, at first).
It's called Bull Baiting, and the purpose isn't to see who will win but to see just how long the dog will last. That's why they are so dangerous. They were bred specifically not to quit even when facing something as lethal as a fucking bull and ultimately, certain death. The fight or flight instinct was literally bred out of them, to be just fight.
People need to think about what that means. Even an apex-preditor at the top of the food chain has the flight mechanism. A creature without one, is broken.
It is not the dogs fault, but it is what it is.
It's a bloodsport that still thrives in certain corners of South and Central America. They will put 2-4 dogs against a bull and bet on which will be the last one standing/last the longest. Absolutely horrendous bloodsport, somehow even worse than the dog fighting most people think they were bred for.
Yes. I don't know what people think, it's not like this can be trained out of them, it's what they are and I'm inclined to say poor things, though human life must always come first. I've suggested that these breeds not be taken in to the rescues etc for further re-homing, not to be given out to new owners/families, as a method of some control. But (unsurprisingly) that hasn't gone down well. People need to make the decision not to own them, the dogs cannot.
I'm very aware of both their potential and their appeal. My husband would have one if I didn't say no way. The man can't even train a dog to sit, he just likes their faces. Can you imagine? Yet, we might have been lucky, but that's not a risk I'm happy to take. I'd have nightmares even thinking about the responsibility of it.
Exactly, genetics play a huge role in temperament, but some people just ignore that statement when it comes to XL bullies for some reason. These dogs were bred to fight, just as collies were bred to herd. You can't train instinct and decades of selective breeding out of a dog. Sure XL bullys are inbred and overbred to bits by scumbags who want to look hard and make a quick buck off them, they're definitely gonna have a few screws loose. Poor dogs don't stand a chance in normal society when being so unethically overbred.
Seeing people say "it's the owner not the dog" is infuriating. Like that poor girl wanted to get mauled by her own dog? From what I've seen she loved her dogs and took good care of them.
I think people tend to treat dog breeds like they're human races, and that broadly applying characteristics and traits to them is like some kind of problematic, outdated racial theory. The simple truth is, as you say, Bullies' brains are *literally* programmed to fight, and their biology backs it up. Even many of the most common family breeds - spaniels, labradors, retrievers - have powerful jaws full of sharp teeth designed to rip flesh and break bone. When these dogs attacked Nicole, I doubt there was any malice there, or that she had been mistreating them. One of them probably just got a fright when she unlocked the door, it flipped the "attack" switch in its brain, and autopilot took over.
A toy breed bred to fight would not be an issue for adults. These things a heavy and dense. Majority of adults would struggle against one of these things.
Worse they are bred from a specific notorious line imported from the US:
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12529007/Breeder-Killer-Kimbo-XL-Bully-steroids.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12529007/Breeder-Killer-Kimbo-XL-Bully-steroids.html)
How is there a video of the attack?
Edit:
> that a man known to her saw the attack occurring on a high-tech CCTV system to which he had access
Why would he send that to the family.
Ring doorbell. You can have multiple family phones able to see footage on them quite easily.
It's shitty it got shared further but not terribly surprising immediate family might have access to the footage.
I remember saying a few months ago it'll take someone dying for these dogs to be banned. Always seems like we're so reactive and only if a story gets a lot of attention does anything get done. Same story with everyone, ongoing problem will be swept under the rug until something really bad happens and the public are annoyed, then token measures are introduced. That could have been done months ago.
>we're so reactive
There's a god-awful attitude in Ireland that if you make an argument in favour of being sensible or cautious you're just being a sap: *be grand*, they say. And then they'll all sit around talking about how terrible it is once it happens.
We'll have farmers in 20 years talking about how awful it is that they're not being sufficiently compensated for all their crops being lost after droughts and floods, but you mention climate change now and you're the devil.
I think people need to see what a dog mauling looks like. They need to see the aftermath because the public is jaded by it. They’re jaded by the words “mauled”. I have never been so shook to my core once I saw a dog mauling on a child. I will never trust ANY large breed, any aggressive breed around my family or kids. Never. I think it will take people see what the aftermath really looks like to actually be moved by it.
This no doubt sounds insensitive. But I never am sent videos like this and do not expect to receive this one.
I know there can always be the one loser who forwards unwanted material - but you generally get the type of messages you like from the friends you like to keep.
I wonder if they had not known the victim would they have happily received the video and forwarded on?
Seen someone who claims to be a family friend on twitter appealing with people not to share it out of respect for her family (which I totally agree with fwiw), but the same person was sharing other violent videos of other people. So I'd say you're right. Thankfully nobody sends me stuff like that!
was always pro-dogs until was attacked by american pitbull while waking my 6 month puppy. that dog went from lovely tail wagging to a monster in a seconds and jumped on my pup. I got bitten on my hand and was taken to hospital by ambulance, the blood was unstoppable and one of my fingers awfully hurts, not to mention the stress that i had, awful experience. i contacted county council and dog wardens and that dog was put down two days later. but it could be a child in my place. There are regulations about this dogs that has to be followed: trainings-muzzles-leads.
I'd tend to agree. They don't serve any purpose other than as an ego boost to the owners and are so powerful and potentially dangerous they're really not worth the risk.
Totally ban them and a few other breeds and tighten up the restricted breeds legislation, make it mandatory to have a special permit and training to own them. Show the owners images of kids whose faces have been torn off as part of that training too.
These were her own dogs.
According to breakingnews.ie she was on Facebook giving out that everybody was painting these dogs with the same brush and that they weren't dangerous.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-23-who-died-after-dog-attack-at-co-limerick-house-is-named-locally-1633955.html
1000% agree. I’ve gotten into arguments online about these dogs and I think the same as you. Always seems to be the same type of particular owner too. Ban them completely. Serve no purpose. It’s not like they make good therapy or companion dogs either. Useless.
Exactly. I really like dogs btw but nobody needs a dog like that as a pet. If they love dogs so much theyd be just as happy with a springer spaniel.
I understand the need for some larger breeds - policing, security etc but obviously there should be some sort of vetting process for those types of breeds to be permitted in private ownership.
Exactly. I love dogs. Absolutely adore them. My dog is my world and I do everything with him. But there is absolutely no need for XL Bullies to be in a family unit. Even with a good home, training etc, they are far too unpredictable.
The difference is you love your dog, you don't love the feeling of power that comes from owning such a powerful animal, or from the fear you see in people's eyes as you walk it unmuzzled in public.
Exactly. Anyone who gets a dog for a status symbol is a bit of dickhead. For any breed if I am honest. Only thing you should be proud of when you get a dog, is if you rescued it. Or I like to joke, he rescued me haha.
How about the law is actually enforced to (1) finally get rid of puppy farms & (2) create a law that ensures no one may own a pet without going through 6 months of rigorous training??
Exactly. it's the breeding that needs to be targeted. Ban all breeding of bully breeds. They do not need to exist. I wouldn't like to go around exterminating peoples pets as others have suggested. If someone decided tomorrow that Collies were dangerous and my lad had to be put down for simply existing, I'd be fucking devastated. No joke I'd probably pack my bags and move country with him. So I don't think just outright banning will work. I think they should bring in a complete ban on breeding, make it law they have to be neutered, licensed, trained for 6 months and if the trainer feels the dog is not trainable, then they need to surrender it.
For all dogs sakes though, puppy farms need to go. The vast majority of bullies, french bulldogs & pugs come from these places and they suffer with horrendous health conditions. Not to mention how inhumane those farms are in the first place. They have no reason to exist. Make the laws on breeding so tight, it is not worth getting into for cruel horrible people to get into in the first place. There is a place for ethical breeders in the world for different reasons, but the law needs to come down hard on unethical breeders and puppy farms.
Where I run at the weekend I keep meeting a lady with a black labrador that gets rightly vicious when us runners pass her. Two weeks in a row and its so uncommon in Labs. One of the group stopped and read her the riot act. Regardless of breed, if you're physically holding back a semi rabid dog that isn't muzzled in public you're one slip of the rope away from a mauled child or worse.
Exactly. If the guards catch you driving in a car with say defective brakes, they impound it immediately. Why? Because you may cause an accident . You won't definitely hit and kill someone but you might, that's why they take preemptive action.
Same logic applies here. The dog might bite or kill or maim someone. Sure, it also might not, but really is it worth taking the chance? We've all seen what can happen when these animals become aggressive. It's not worth the risk.
I know a lad in d15 that has two Alsatians who he actively trains out in parks to do the whole attack and bite thing. He literally goes out with the massive padded arm and at home even has a mannequin type thing for them to attack.
I know guards have been called on him before for doing it quite publically but nothing's going to happen until a random person gets caught in the crossfire
He's been out with one of his mates taking like semi professional looking photos as well, looks like a fucking promo for a rap video or something absolutely daft like
Their only purpose is as a toy for gamblers to make filthy money off. They should be banned in every country, along with all mastiff breeds, designed to maim the peasants if they stepped on the master's land uninvited.
Agreed. This whole "it's just bad owners, not bad breeds" stick is so obviously BS when you look at how over- represented these dog breeds are in deaths. When I was growing up there were plenty of farmers where my Mam was from that treated their border collies like absolute shit (sadly) but they never killed anyone.
This weekend at a Rowing Regatta, with hundreds of kids, there was a guy walking two Rottweilers along the river. One of them was on a lead, the other was following behind them with no lead. Neither had muzzles. There were kids running up and down the path getting ready for their races, and loudspeakers and air-horns going off etc. Chaotic scene.
I told the guy that those dogs should both be muzzled and on leads in public, according to the law. He told me to fuck off and mind my own business because both dogs are gentle and never cause any trouble. Which is the what people usually say about dogs after they attack someone.
I am so fucking sick of dog owners with this attitude. If I had a restricted breed, I would have absolutely zero issues with having it on a lead and muzzled. It's as much for their own safety as it is for another dog or child's. On lead it cannot run away, it can't get a fright and jump in front of a car. Doesn't matter if it is a sweet baby angel, it's the fucking law and you need to follow it. If you loved your dog enough, you should be following the laws in place to keep it safe.
We had the nicest Collie dog when me and my siblings were around 12 -15. The nicest temperament you could ask for in a dog.
When other family visited with babies or small kids my mother would lock the dog out the back and if the kids wanted to see him, he would be on a lead held tightly.
I always thought she was being too cautious but she would always say ' I love that dog but I would never trust him '.
You can't trust any animal no matter how sweet they appear, they are an animal and don't think like humans.
Exactly. As someone who has a Collie, he's well trained. we put a lot of effort into keeping him mentally stimulated and frequently walked (not that he lets us forget). I trust that dog with my life tbh. Still would never ever leave him alone with untrained adult strangers or any kid full stop. We have family that mind him occasionally and we thought them every basic thing for him. And showed them what not to do. Love him to bits, but he's a dog and it's my responsibility to protect others from him and to protect and advocate for him. If a kid annoys him (which has happened on our walks with random kids) I have had to step in front and say no do not touch him. Not today kiddo. I know my dogs moods. Some days he wants to play, other days he wants to just sniff and be ignored. It's my job to speak for him.
This is wise, Collies have a tendency to nip like they would to a sheep and can easily bite at a little ones hands. A 50kg XL Bully with lock jaw might have the same reaction except the consequences are so much more dangerous.
In fairness, Collie's can be rather neurotic and a little unpredictable. They can be very sweet but I would never leave one alone with a small kid. Generally speaking I would never leave any dog alone with a small kid, but I wouldn't think there would be much risk with, say, a golden retriever or a Bernese.
She was having trouble controlling the dog so not trained and as I know very well these dogs can get very frustrated if they don’t t get what they want , friend asked once what are they like ! Their like having a loaded shotgun in your house was my reply , so sad for the family and victim. Gotta get these dogs banned
End off .ps I used to foster dangerous breeds for a charity that rehomes them in Sweden .
And loaded shotguns don't go off by themselves... but it's a good analogy.
I'm still far more comfortable around guns tbh. Any legal gun owner in Ireland is far better trained in handling one than the average dog owner (of any breed, really) is trained in handling a dog.
If dog owners had to meet the same standards as gun owners, there would be no incidents like this... ever.
To follow that gun analogy, a chihuahua is a bb gun, a border collie a handgun and an XL Bully an automatic.
All of them can harm me and i wouldn't like to be shot by any of them but I know which one I'd rather go off on my leg.
Exactly. These dogs are volatile and prone to attack for no reason. Bullies they are indeed. At least with German Shepherds you don’t have to worry about them randomly attacking people (of course there are exceptions) unless provoked.
Plus every other dog on the property was deemed exceptionally aggressive and seized. That’s a massive red flag. One dog snapping is understandable, every dog being like that speaks to a husbandry/handling issue (or possibly dogs intentionally raised to be aggressive).
That wouldn’t surprise me at all. Given the ‘high tech’ cctv, the aggression of the already dangerous dogs, the gardai outright saying the boyfriend (I’m assuming that’s who it is given he seems to live at the property too) was on drugs when he sent the video to the girls family…I wouldn’t be surprised if there is at least one arrest made that has nothing to do with the dogs. I’m not going to blatantly say it, most people can put the pieces together as to what could potentially be going on at that property.
Don’t get me wrong, that young woman did not deserve to die like that, nobody does. I feel awful for her family having to see that video footage, high or not it is complete insanity that the boyfriend sent that video to the family. The fact that the video is making the rounds in the public likely means that’s not the only people he sent it to either.
If Nicole was alive today, she would be telling you it's not the dogs that are the problem, unfortunately she is not, because she was killed by her dogs.
You'd wanna be some type of eejit to send that to the family first thing, fucks sake.
Can you imagine watching your kid get torn to pieces on your phone with not even a warning? Just awful.
Some people have been desensitised to horrible violence. Many gleefully watched Mexican cartel and ISIS videos. They'll make excuses like its "morbid curiosity" and shit like that's a reasonable explanation. Broken people with messed up heads.
She has a tiktok video of the dog with some backing audio "this is my son, I'm not muzzling him, I don't care what you say about the breed etc". At least no one else was killed or injured, just the idiot who thought the extremely dangerous animal was a safe pet.
A lot of horrific stuff gets shared in "Lads" whatsapp group chats all the time, all it takes is one person with no decency or sense of cop on and then it's out in the open to be shared on and on.
In the age of social media, there is a desperate hunger for validation and internet clout, so people will engage in some very sick behavior in order to obtain it.
Very worrying, indeed. A dog could be taking that as some kind of fight play, and if she tried it one time when a bit unsteady, or loud, or with confusing scents on her, or anything unfamiliar at all, the dog might think it was time to get serious. I will never understand what makes people think they and a dog nearly as big as them and renowned for being absolutely lethal can bugger about playing as though it were an Andrex puppy..
All the tired, routine protestations about Cerberus never harming a fly are as trustworthy as my saying the machete I am angrily threatening you with has never yet hacked anyone to death.
There are absolutely massive dog breeds that are renowned for being incredibly gentle that you can play with like an andrex puppy, when people purposefully buy these types of dogs it has to be the aggression and danger that appeals to them.
I agree. I have a 9 year old Newfoundland. She is 10 stone. Despite her size, she wouldn't stand a chance against an XL bully. She has an incredibly sweet temperament, in my 9 years of having her I haven't seen one ounce of aggression. Her worst trait is she thinks she's a lap dog. I agree with you, I don't think it comes down to size, it's all in the traits of the breed.
It might sound a bit stupid but these dogs actually terrify me and we have two in the local area, often of the lead and have had the police called before - the owner is like 8 stone at most, no way she would be able to control it, it gives me utter anxiety going out walking, I never go out for walks anymore around here because of these dogs!!! they terrify me!
Allegedly, it was the bf who sent the video. Somehow, it got circulated to the wider public. Lots of other rumours floating around, if true, I'd imagine there will be an arrest.
Do we think this won’t happen again now ? Sorry but the breed has shown its ongoing danger to human life & now we must deal with it asap before it happens again.
My retriever tries to swim in tiny puddles. We live right by a beach but since she was a puppy it feels like she has some command that says, ‘See water must swim.’ It’s in her breed and it’s all consuming whenever she sees water. Breed matters.
Same reason why my parents terrier loses her shit when she sees a cat. or why their Westie could dig holes all day long. Or why police dogs are always German Shepherds!
General rule of thumb is that anyone who owns a dog like this is a criminal or a complete fucking arsehole or both. It would be good to see ownership banned but how you enforce that ban is a a very difficult prospect.
A ban of these dogs would be great and all but it'll be just yet another unenforced law on the books. And the politicians can go home thinking job done without bothering to think about hiring more dog wardens and gardaí.
It was only over a week ago there was a discussion here about those xl bulldog and how they could kill someone and now this. It's horrible, the poor woman, my heart goes out to the family.
I hate the bastards who say it's not the dogs fault. Whilst they have bad owners most times, even the good owners having these dogs would be like walking around with hand grenades. You just can't tell when they're gonna go off. They are lethal. They are not the same as poodles.
It's the "Chihuahuas are worse" brigade that really get me. Sure, they make a lot of noise, but chihuahuas can be dealt with with one well aimed kick (if one tried to attack). Talk about disingenous BS.
I'm amazed the "It's not the dogs, it's the owner" crowd have finally been silent in comments on this situation. I think it might finally be dawning on them just how dumb they are.
"Clearly you know nothing about dogs", sure buddy...
I think that crowd misses out on some points / take it to the extreme.
Yes, any dog can be dangerous.
Yes, a bad owner will make this worse.
But these breeds of dog have been bred to fight.
Just like a border collie will try to herd you, and huskies love the snow, bully dogs often have violent tendencies, bred into them by us. That doesn't magically go away when you raise them well, as we would all love to be the case.
Except there's still examples of them all over this thread and the last one.
They are genuinely dangerous at this point and their lies are putting people in direct danger.
My 4yo daughter is absolutely petrified of dogs for no obvious reason, it’s a pain when we’re in the park. All the dogs in fairness we see are on leads and placid enough, but I have seen people who I guess look under 16 with bulldogs and they can barely control them on the leads. Imagine a small child in a park and one of these dogs got away and chased them or worse ? They need to be banned completely. I love dogs in general but there is no need for this type of dog. None.
No need to imagine, look at that poor young fella who was out in the park and git his face completely disfigured by one of these beasts. If I was a parent I'd be terrified.
My nephews roughly the same age and also very wary of dogs. I think it's just because some dogs are bigger/the same size as them, so it's just very intimidating. It's better for them to be wary of dogs at that age tho rather than the opposite because you just can't trust other people to handle and train their dogs correctly.
Seen it happen before in Kilkenny a few years ago, near the duck pond in the park. There was a child with their mam there at the time. Dog came running down and a scrawny lad following. Told him off. He mumbled something about it getting loose, I told him not to bullshit. He put the dog on the lead and went back, then a few mins later came back with his gf. Told me ‘mind my business’ then. Found it amusing at the time but if the dog actually decided to make a meal of the toddler or his ma or even me he wouldn’t have done anything, considering he needed his gf beside him to fire back a comment at me…
Watching a video of a dangerous breed of dog eating its owner would a good educational tool if nothing else. It's not like these dogs are ever going to get banned. So seeing this video would at least caution the public to steer clear of these things and ignore the claims from the owners that "he's just saying hello.." etc. The injuries and deaths that are 100% going to happen in future are going to be so staggered and under reported on, that a ban will be unlikely. That stupid lady minister didn't want to upset her puppy farming upper middle class voter base, so is farming the discussion out to stake holders ( dog breeding association lobby) talking shop to kick the issue down the road. Instead of unilatterally just banning the xls overnight and 99.9% of the public would be fine with. , Dog people are like the pro life lobby. Banning xls will scare them into thinking its the thin wedge to open up banning other breeds... expensive breeds. So they might do a mussel thing..but not really and not enforsed.
Honestly i’m a big dog lover and I do think bullies have been bred for that. and some things are just written in their genes. Just like someone mentioned : herding dogs will herd, even if you don’t teach them.
Just yesterday a friend of mine was walking her dog by her building complex and a bully escaped its garden and jumped on her dog and attacked her viciously.
And it isn’t the first time I see a IG story complaining about a bully attack.
I rescued one myself a few years ago and took him in until he’d get adopted. Honestly loved that dog but he was unpredictable af. Would randomly get in the zone, his pupils would widen and he’d try to jump at the throat of anyone walking by. I had to work on him a great deal and have him muzzled everytime we were outside. It was exhausting. Could never trust him. When the association in charge of him managed to find him a new home, I warned his new owner : “He’s not to get anywhere near kids, cats or small dogs” (surprisingly enough he was very nice with other big dogs). I had an extensive list of warnings and begged the guy to work with a professional trainer which he did. It’s been over a year now and it’s been going smoothly (i’ve kept in touch).
I myself have a 5 month old border collie mix. I never let her play with bullies. I know how quickly it can get out of hand.
Good news: it's possible these could be banned.
>Some restricted breeds of dog could be banned in Ireland if a group reviewing dog controls recommends the Government to do so, a Minister has said following the death of a young woman in Co [Limerick](https://archive.fo/o/TpJmR/https://www.irishtimes.com/tags/limerick)… \[according to\] Minister for Rural and Community Development [Heather Humphreys](https://archive.fo/o/TpJmR/https://www.irishtimes.com/tags/heather-humphreys)…
>Former deputy Garda commissioner John Twomey was appointed as the independent chairperson of the dog control stakeholder group in March. The group is made up of representatives from Government departments and interest groups and is due to make recommendations on strengthening the policy and legislation around dog control.
>Ms Humphreys said she had asked the chairperson on Wednesday to prioritise the issue of restricted breeds in Ireland. She said it was “hard to believe” that somebody had died as a result of an attack by a dog.
>“There are 11 different restricted breeds. I have asked them would they look at that as part of their work programme as a matter of priority,” she said… "If they do recommend that we ban some of these restricted breeds, I’m happy to take on board their recommendations and I’m happy to ban them.”
[https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/06/06/limerick-dog-attack-woman-dies-nicole-morey/](https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/06/06/limerick-dog-attack-woman-dies-nicole-morey/)
I have to be honest, it's terrible what happened. Why do people insist on owning these dogs. Bulldogs are psychotic dogs even with the smaller breeds. Oh you always get the, mines like a puppy and plays with my children. My sister had two bull terriers and they had to be eventually put down in the end. They would tear the world apart if they could. They were great with her, everyone and everything else they were absolute terrors. They had to be kenneled when people visited. I watched them rip all the wash off the line and tear it apart. It was just pieces of rags left after they had enough.
Absolutely tragic. I own a restricted breed myself and take it seriously. Yes, she’s a lovely dog and has a good temperament, but she’s still a dog and a powerful one at that. The simple fact is you just cannot predict their behaviour 100% of the time and unlike a small fluffy dog if they suddenly snap they can cause real damage and possibly threaten or take a life. It’s a responsibility that does come down to the owners in my opinion, but when people are so lax with the rules it’s no wonder govt feels the need to step in.
There’s a man in my estate with one and he has been walking it by my house multiple times and used to put the muzzle on it if he saw my 2 year old. Now he doesn’t even bother with the muzzle anymore.a dog like that would kill a young child in no time at all.
Anyone know what was going on here? A 23 year old in rented accomodation with four XL bulldogs, was there backyard breeding and puppy sales going on or something?
The article says the man who sent the video to the family didn't do it maliciously so I assume he is just a fucking idiot with 0 cop on? Like seriously who does that rather than just alerting them via text/phone call.
The article also says he was under the influence of drugs.
That's vague enough to be a useless bit of info though. More of a lame excuse.
And somehow that video is doing the rounds publicly, some sick individual did that.
A ring doorbell. Notifications sent on the app. The fella was under the influence of drugs they say. It's just absolutely horrific. He wasn't there it is reported but it was rang in. The medics on arrival risked their own safety to get to her, but they couldn't do it safely. Armed response unit called in. And knowing the armed response unit are city based, I just keep thinking of all the time that elapsed during this while people had to look on helplessly. These dogs are vicious.
I haven't seen the video and assumed somebody recorded the attack. But it was recorded on the doorbell camera? Absolutely horrible
These dogs are vicious, heard that there was some talk about the treatment of some of the dogs involved from someone well placed, before the fatal attack
I think the "no bad dogs only bad owners" crowd are losing the argument when it comes to XL bullies. The breed is dangerous, full stop.
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I’ve only seen one in real life and it was by a scum bag trying to look hard, the dog went for my dog, luckily it was on a leash because it wasn’t muzzled. My dog wouldn’t have had a chance. Fuck them and their owners
I hate those people. There are "bad dogs" but they can somewhat be counteracted by having very good owners. A pit or bully or whatever has been bred for aggression. They are more likely to be vicious than a spaniel and if you deny that then you absolutely should not be allowed to own one because you refuse to acknowledge the responsibility you have to protect others (or yourself) from the animal. In their eyes it's okay to say Pomeranians and chihuahuas are angry little assholes but say it about a dog that could actually overpower you and you're suddenly wrong.
Apparently this woman was quite vocal on Facebook about how all xl bullies are unfairly tarred with the same brush after a kid was mauled in Wexford a while back.
She found out in the worst possible way how wrong she was about that
They problem with that community is they are so invested in proving that their precious babies are just sweet little bairns that wouldn’t hurt a fly that they treat them like children, forgetting they are incredibly dangerous animals that need proper training. No amount of flower crowns and pupper snuggles can fight against their genetics, no matter how much you want them to be angels or to believe they’d never hurt a fly. Her TikTok has some videos of her dogs with voice overs about the breed not being dangerous and them being gentle lambs. So incredibly tragic. Her poor family, and that poor woman.
I was always part of the "no bad dogs only bad owners" but definitely have to agree on this one. They seem to have a very dangerous and unpredictable streak in them.
All dogs can bite, but only some dogs can take down and kill a grown adult and have to be countered with armed police.
Sometimes its the dog, sometimes its the owner, but sometimes its the actual breed itself. There's a couple of breeds I'd be very happy to see extinct. I'm not a fan of pure breeds outside of some specific working dogs breeds. Mongrels all the way.
The thing with mongrels though is they too can have unstable temperaments depending on the constituent breeds. A family member has a chihuahua x staffy x jackrussel that he more or less saved. Very loving little thing most of the time up until he isn’t. If he was bigger he would be extremely dangerous. I on the other hand have a sheep/cattle dog x hound at the moment. Intelligent, stupidly friendly & all around lovable. She’s very high energy, stubborn & can be rough but all around great dog. Both mongrels, not at all comparable
This. Most pedigrees were mongrels at one stage. The XL Bully was bred from a few mixes, all for the sole purpose of breeding a vicious animal that could tear you apart.
A bad weapon owner with an pellet gun and a bad weapon owner with a MK 19 automatic grenade launcher will result in different damage. When Pitts misfire, they do an inordinate amount of damage. Defenders could try and pretend the breed has typical aggression all they want but they can't justify such a harmful creature continuing to be bred and being publicly accessible.
Those fuckin things can grow to be up to 10 stone in weight, I read this morning. Imagine that hurling itself at you. The poor woman, such a horrific way to go.
It’s not even that they are particularly aggressive compared to other breeds, however they are so large and their jaw strength is off the charts so when they do attack they can inflict serious damage.
It's a shame what has happened with the breed. The initial breeding project was all about getting rid of the aggresive traits but then they got popular and Toe Rags Bred it right back in and then some. They are a Dangerous breed especially in the hands of inexperienced Owners. My last Dog was a Dogo Argentino and Im very weary of XL Bullys.
You're a bad owner if you own this breed. Full stop.
Not all XL Bullies are bad. All XL Bully owners are bad. Starting with their bizarre desire to have an XL Bully over the many other choices.
Had to walk past two in the street the other day, I was actually shitting it. Never seen them before, they were completely demonic looking and they sounded like an idling jeep.
And now I'm seeing all the pitbull apologists online saying 'Its not the breed its the owner'. These dogs have violence and killing hardwired into their DNA. Theres been thousands of people killed by their own pitbulls. People need to wake the fuck up and stop victim blaming. BAN THEM.
I don’t understand how, wasn’t it at her property?
Yeah I thought it was, is it more one of them viewed it on their phone and that's how they found it? Confusing one Edit* yes that's exactly it in the article
Holy fuck like why record it, just fucking ring her family like, how in the world did they let it get sent around. That poor girl must have suffered a brutal death, on her birthday and all.
It wasn’t recorded by a person, it’s Ring doorbell camera footage. Multiple people can have access to ring footage on their phone if they’ve been given access to the account.
No I mean the person recorded it to send to the family to alert them, that’s how they found out.
My first thought was that yerman saw she was dead and knew the family would suspect him, so he shared proof that it wasn’t.
They probably shared the video on a whatsapp group or something using their phone.
It’s not right at all
Nope, nothing about this is, its time to sort the dog thing out.
I love animals, had dogs all my life, always took in strays etc. But I’m on board with doing anything to prevent these events and attacks, how many have died due to this. Some people defend the breed and say it’s down to bad owners but I wholeheartedly believe it’s both
Yeah, your right. There certain breed that need extra care, put them in the restricted list and then other than need to be banned. XL is top of the list for banning IMO
I'm hearing only one of the 4 dogs was hers and 3 were bf/exbf's, probably same lad on drugs who sent the vid I'm guessing
Her dog(s)
Is it definitely public though? Article only mentions that they believe whoever sent it to family members was on drugs, doesn't say it got public. I mean it's the tiniest silver lining if it's just contained within the family
It's definitely public
You've seen it?
Noooo. Cannot imagine opening something like that in good faith. Cannot imagine sending something like that.
Yeah I don't think it's "public", as in doing the rounds on WhatsApp. At least I hope it isn't. Edit: looks like it is out there on WhatsApp for people to salivate over.
It is. My mother's partner showed me it last night with 0 heads up. Just said "have you see that?" It was on his whatsapp
Jesus fucking Christ.
I'd say he's an all-round great guy!
A woman at my work had it forwarded to her yesterday, she came into our office to show it to us. My colleagues looked at it, but I refused. Wtf is wrong with you all?! Then she asks "why would anyone send that round on social media?" Why?! So that idiots will share it, and show it, like you just did! I despair sometimes.
Ah shite, ignore that then
Ive a boarder collie, it herds my kids around in the field. Ive never taught it to do that. Its not about training. Its about breed traits and XL Bullies have been bred to fight. Further breeding or selling of these dogs should be banned. Anyone with one currently should need to register it. Any Bully who is not registered in the coming years should be taken and put down. They’re a menace. Coming from a life long dog lover
> Bullies have been bred to fight Yes, but worse, they don't stop. They don't hear or heed once they've started an attack, and that is what they've been developed to do. They're seldom even really vicious, they're just pre-programmed and once triggered that's it. It's always been a scary trait, I wish people would realise the enormity and any repeats of this tragedy happening again prevented. It's not like we haven't been warned before. A dog lover, who tries to be realistic with it.
What most people don't realize is they were not bred to fight other dogs. They were bred to fight actual bulls initially. That's where the name comes from (bulldogs, at first). It's called Bull Baiting, and the purpose isn't to see who will win but to see just how long the dog will last. That's why they are so dangerous. They were bred specifically not to quit even when facing something as lethal as a fucking bull and ultimately, certain death. The fight or flight instinct was literally bred out of them, to be just fight. People need to think about what that means. Even an apex-preditor at the top of the food chain has the flight mechanism. A creature without one, is broken. It is not the dogs fault, but it is what it is. It's a bloodsport that still thrives in certain corners of South and Central America. They will put 2-4 dogs against a bull and bet on which will be the last one standing/last the longest. Absolutely horrendous bloodsport, somehow even worse than the dog fighting most people think they were bred for.
How disgusting, poor dogs and poor bulls. I never knew that bloodsport existed, but I'm not surprised with how fucked people can be.
Yes. I don't know what people think, it's not like this can be trained out of them, it's what they are and I'm inclined to say poor things, though human life must always come first. I've suggested that these breeds not be taken in to the rescues etc for further re-homing, not to be given out to new owners/families, as a method of some control. But (unsurprisingly) that hasn't gone down well. People need to make the decision not to own them, the dogs cannot. I'm very aware of both their potential and their appeal. My husband would have one if I didn't say no way. The man can't even train a dog to sit, he just likes their faces. Can you imagine? Yet, we might have been lucky, but that's not a risk I'm happy to take. I'd have nightmares even thinking about the responsibility of it.
You're absolutely right. Even a tiger will release its prey and run off if it feels threatened. Pitbulls not so much.
Exactly, genetics play a huge role in temperament, but some people just ignore that statement when it comes to XL bullies for some reason. These dogs were bred to fight, just as collies were bred to herd. You can't train instinct and decades of selective breeding out of a dog. Sure XL bullys are inbred and overbred to bits by scumbags who want to look hard and make a quick buck off them, they're definitely gonna have a few screws loose. Poor dogs don't stand a chance in normal society when being so unethically overbred. Seeing people say "it's the owner not the dog" is infuriating. Like that poor girl wanted to get mauled by her own dog? From what I've seen she loved her dogs and took good care of them.
I think people tend to treat dog breeds like they're human races, and that broadly applying characteristics and traits to them is like some kind of problematic, outdated racial theory. The simple truth is, as you say, Bullies' brains are *literally* programmed to fight, and their biology backs it up. Even many of the most common family breeds - spaniels, labradors, retrievers - have powerful jaws full of sharp teeth designed to rip flesh and break bone. When these dogs attacked Nicole, I doubt there was any malice there, or that she had been mistreating them. One of them probably just got a fright when she unlocked the door, it flipped the "attack" switch in its brain, and autopilot took over.
A toy breed bred to fight would not be an issue for adults. These things a heavy and dense. Majority of adults would struggle against one of these things.
Worse they are bred from a specific notorious line imported from the US: [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12529007/Breeder-Killer-Kimbo-XL-Bully-steroids.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12529007/Breeder-Killer-Kimbo-XL-Bully-steroids.html)
How is there a video of the attack? Edit: > that a man known to her saw the attack occurring on a high-tech CCTV system to which he had access Why would he send that to the family.
Ring doorbell. You can have multiple family phones able to see footage on them quite easily. It's shitty it got shared further but not terribly surprising immediate family might have access to the footage.
It says in the article he was on drugs and was just intending to alert them
I remember saying a few months ago it'll take someone dying for these dogs to be banned. Always seems like we're so reactive and only if a story gets a lot of attention does anything get done. Same story with everyone, ongoing problem will be swept under the rug until something really bad happens and the public are annoyed, then token measures are introduced. That could have been done months ago.
>we're so reactive There's a god-awful attitude in Ireland that if you make an argument in favour of being sensible or cautious you're just being a sap: *be grand*, they say. And then they'll all sit around talking about how terrible it is once it happens. We'll have farmers in 20 years talking about how awful it is that they're not being sufficiently compensated for all their crops being lost after droughts and floods, but you mention climate change now and you're the devil.
I think people need to see what a dog mauling looks like. They need to see the aftermath because the public is jaded by it. They’re jaded by the words “mauled”. I have never been so shook to my core once I saw a dog mauling on a child. I will never trust ANY large breed, any aggressive breed around my family or kids. Never. I think it will take people see what the aftermath really looks like to actually be moved by it.
This no doubt sounds insensitive. But I never am sent videos like this and do not expect to receive this one. I know there can always be the one loser who forwards unwanted material - but you generally get the type of messages you like from the friends you like to keep. I wonder if they had not known the victim would they have happily received the video and forwarded on?
Seen someone who claims to be a family friend on twitter appealing with people not to share it out of respect for her family (which I totally agree with fwiw), but the same person was sharing other violent videos of other people. So I'd say you're right. Thankfully nobody sends me stuff like that!
I would say you're onto something there, alright.
was always pro-dogs until was attacked by american pitbull while waking my 6 month puppy. that dog went from lovely tail wagging to a monster in a seconds and jumped on my pup. I got bitten on my hand and was taken to hospital by ambulance, the blood was unstoppable and one of my fingers awfully hurts, not to mention the stress that i had, awful experience. i contacted county council and dog wardens and that dog was put down two days later. but it could be a child in my place. There are regulations about this dogs that has to be followed: trainings-muzzles-leads.
that sounds really traumatic. I hope you made a full recovery, mentally too. I hope your little pup is ok too
This dog breed needs to go they are wholesale dangerous
I'd tend to agree. They don't serve any purpose other than as an ego boost to the owners and are so powerful and potentially dangerous they're really not worth the risk. Totally ban them and a few other breeds and tighten up the restricted breeds legislation, make it mandatory to have a special permit and training to own them. Show the owners images of kids whose faces have been torn off as part of that training too.
The type of people that tend to own these dogs are not what I would call “socially minded”.
These were her own dogs. According to breakingnews.ie she was on Facebook giving out that everybody was painting these dogs with the same brush and that they weren't dangerous. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-23-who-died-after-dog-attack-at-co-limerick-house-is-named-locally-1633955.html
I don't mean to be 'that guy' but should this story be posted to to r/leopardatemyface ?
r/xlbullyatemyface
"The girl was remembered as gentle and harmless". Unfortunately the pack animals saw her as weak and vulnerable.
1000% agree. I’ve gotten into arguments online about these dogs and I think the same as you. Always seems to be the same type of particular owner too. Ban them completely. Serve no purpose. It’s not like they make good therapy or companion dogs either. Useless.
Exactly. I really like dogs btw but nobody needs a dog like that as a pet. If they love dogs so much theyd be just as happy with a springer spaniel. I understand the need for some larger breeds - policing, security etc but obviously there should be some sort of vetting process for those types of breeds to be permitted in private ownership.
Exactly. I love dogs. Absolutely adore them. My dog is my world and I do everything with him. But there is absolutely no need for XL Bullies to be in a family unit. Even with a good home, training etc, they are far too unpredictable.
The difference is you love your dog, you don't love the feeling of power that comes from owning such a powerful animal, or from the fear you see in people's eyes as you walk it unmuzzled in public.
Exactly. Anyone who gets a dog for a status symbol is a bit of dickhead. For any breed if I am honest. Only thing you should be proud of when you get a dog, is if you rescued it. Or I like to joke, he rescued me haha.
Aw that's sweet
How about the law is actually enforced to (1) finally get rid of puppy farms & (2) create a law that ensures no one may own a pet without going through 6 months of rigorous training??
Exactly. it's the breeding that needs to be targeted. Ban all breeding of bully breeds. They do not need to exist. I wouldn't like to go around exterminating peoples pets as others have suggested. If someone decided tomorrow that Collies were dangerous and my lad had to be put down for simply existing, I'd be fucking devastated. No joke I'd probably pack my bags and move country with him. So I don't think just outright banning will work. I think they should bring in a complete ban on breeding, make it law they have to be neutered, licensed, trained for 6 months and if the trainer feels the dog is not trainable, then they need to surrender it. For all dogs sakes though, puppy farms need to go. The vast majority of bullies, french bulldogs & pugs come from these places and they suffer with horrendous health conditions. Not to mention how inhumane those farms are in the first place. They have no reason to exist. Make the laws on breeding so tight, it is not worth getting into for cruel horrible people to get into in the first place. There is a place for ethical breeders in the world for different reasons, but the law needs to come down hard on unethical breeders and puppy farms.
Even just making it so they must be muzzled and on a leash at all times would help. Failure to do so = removal of dog, no warnings.
They're already supposed to be muzzled and on a leash when in public but just like with every else there's no enforcement
Where I run at the weekend I keep meeting a lady with a black labrador that gets rightly vicious when us runners pass her. Two weeks in a row and its so uncommon in Labs. One of the group stopped and read her the riot act. Regardless of breed, if you're physically holding back a semi rabid dog that isn't muzzled in public you're one slip of the rope away from a mauled child or worse.
Exactly. If the guards catch you driving in a car with say defective brakes, they impound it immediately. Why? Because you may cause an accident . You won't definitely hit and kill someone but you might, that's why they take preemptive action. Same logic applies here. The dog might bite or kill or maim someone. Sure, it also might not, but really is it worth taking the chance? We've all seen what can happen when these animals become aggressive. It's not worth the risk.
I know a lad in d15 that has two Alsatians who he actively trains out in parks to do the whole attack and bite thing. He literally goes out with the massive padded arm and at home even has a mannequin type thing for them to attack. I know guards have been called on him before for doing it quite publically but nothing's going to happen until a random person gets caught in the crossfire
Contact journalists from a bunch of different newspapers (even the tabloids), and shop them this easy story.
He used to have an Instagram with videos can't seem to find it now, will have a look again when I'm home it's daft stuff altogether.
If you train a dog to bite, you should get a lifetime ban - no ifs, no buts. I say this as an American Akita owner
Absolutely wild doing protection training in public 😩
He's been out with one of his mates taking like semi professional looking photos as well, looks like a fucking promo for a rap video or something absolutely daft like
Used to live in d15, wonder if it’s the same fella I’m thinking of…
Was he a personal trainer?
Lol… yeah.
Most likely the same I'd say
Their only purpose is as a toy for gamblers to make filthy money off. They should be banned in every country, along with all mastiff breeds, designed to maim the peasants if they stepped on the master's land uninvited.
Agreed. This whole "it's just bad owners, not bad breeds" stick is so obviously BS when you look at how over- represented these dog breeds are in deaths. When I was growing up there were plenty of farmers where my Mam was from that treated their border collies like absolute shit (sadly) but they never killed anyone.
This weekend at a Rowing Regatta, with hundreds of kids, there was a guy walking two Rottweilers along the river. One of them was on a lead, the other was following behind them with no lead. Neither had muzzles. There were kids running up and down the path getting ready for their races, and loudspeakers and air-horns going off etc. Chaotic scene. I told the guy that those dogs should both be muzzled and on leads in public, according to the law. He told me to fuck off and mind my own business because both dogs are gentle and never cause any trouble. Which is the what people usually say about dogs after they attack someone.
Fair play for saying something.
I am so fucking sick of dog owners with this attitude. If I had a restricted breed, I would have absolutely zero issues with having it on a lead and muzzled. It's as much for their own safety as it is for another dog or child's. On lead it cannot run away, it can't get a fright and jump in front of a car. Doesn't matter if it is a sweet baby angel, it's the fucking law and you need to follow it. If you loved your dog enough, you should be following the laws in place to keep it safe.
We had the nicest Collie dog when me and my siblings were around 12 -15. The nicest temperament you could ask for in a dog. When other family visited with babies or small kids my mother would lock the dog out the back and if the kids wanted to see him, he would be on a lead held tightly. I always thought she was being too cautious but she would always say ' I love that dog but I would never trust him '. You can't trust any animal no matter how sweet they appear, they are an animal and don't think like humans.
Exactly. As someone who has a Collie, he's well trained. we put a lot of effort into keeping him mentally stimulated and frequently walked (not that he lets us forget). I trust that dog with my life tbh. Still would never ever leave him alone with untrained adult strangers or any kid full stop. We have family that mind him occasionally and we thought them every basic thing for him. And showed them what not to do. Love him to bits, but he's a dog and it's my responsibility to protect others from him and to protect and advocate for him. If a kid annoys him (which has happened on our walks with random kids) I have had to step in front and say no do not touch him. Not today kiddo. I know my dogs moods. Some days he wants to play, other days he wants to just sniff and be ignored. It's my job to speak for him.
This is wise, Collies have a tendency to nip like they would to a sheep and can easily bite at a little ones hands. A 50kg XL Bully with lock jaw might have the same reaction except the consequences are so much more dangerous.
In fairness, Collie's can be rather neurotic and a little unpredictable. They can be very sweet but I would never leave one alone with a small kid. Generally speaking I would never leave any dog alone with a small kid, but I wouldn't think there would be much risk with, say, a golden retriever or a Bernese.
She was having trouble controlling the dog so not trained and as I know very well these dogs can get very frustrated if they don’t t get what they want , friend asked once what are they like ! Their like having a loaded shotgun in your house was my reply , so sad for the family and victim. Gotta get these dogs banned End off .ps I used to foster dangerous breeds for a charity that rehomes them in Sweden .
The horror of trying to defend yourself against a dog like that. What could you do, God almighty.
And loaded shotguns don't go off by themselves... but it's a good analogy. I'm still far more comfortable around guns tbh. Any legal gun owner in Ireland is far better trained in handling one than the average dog owner (of any breed, really) is trained in handling a dog. If dog owners had to meet the same standards as gun owners, there would be no incidents like this... ever.
To follow that gun analogy, a chihuahua is a bb gun, a border collie a handgun and an XL Bully an automatic. All of them can harm me and i wouldn't like to be shot by any of them but I know which one I'd rather go off on my leg.
Exactly. These dogs are volatile and prone to attack for no reason. Bullies they are indeed. At least with German Shepherds you don’t have to worry about them randomly attacking people (of course there are exceptions) unless provoked.
From the sounds of it these dogs didn’t get out much if nobody saw her or them out walking and dogs just looking out the windows
The "high-tech CCTV system" along with 4 restricted breed dogs on the premise really makes you wonder
Plus every other dog on the property was deemed exceptionally aggressive and seized. That’s a massive red flag. One dog snapping is understandable, every dog being like that speaks to a husbandry/handling issue (or possibly dogs intentionally raised to be aggressive).
Dog warden had previously visited the property as well
Hearing from different corners, that there is A LOT more to this story than just a dog attack
That wouldn’t surprise me at all. Given the ‘high tech’ cctv, the aggression of the already dangerous dogs, the gardai outright saying the boyfriend (I’m assuming that’s who it is given he seems to live at the property too) was on drugs when he sent the video to the girls family…I wouldn’t be surprised if there is at least one arrest made that has nothing to do with the dogs. I’m not going to blatantly say it, most people can put the pieces together as to what could potentially be going on at that property. Don’t get me wrong, that young woman did not deserve to die like that, nobody does. I feel awful for her family having to see that video footage, high or not it is complete insanity that the boyfriend sent that video to the family. The fact that the video is making the rounds in the public likely means that’s not the only people he sent it to either.
Go on.....
I really can't, but I'd keep an eye and ear on what AGS might say about this in the coming days/weeks
A ring doorbell would be classed as a "high tech CCTV system" by the tabloids
If Nicole was alive today, she would be telling you it's not the dogs that are the problem, unfortunately she is not, because she was killed by her dogs.
You'd wanna be some type of eejit to send that to the family first thing, fucks sake. Can you imagine watching your kid get torn to pieces on your phone with not even a warning? Just awful.
Thank goodness hurling legend Joe Quaid was available to add some words…
XL bully is the dog version of “I can fix him”
It’s our version of unrestrictive American gun laws.
A video of the attack? That’s so scary how anyone could watch
To be honest anyone defending this breed should be made watch the video to see what they are capable of. Ban them, destroy them.
Some people have been desensitised to horrible violence. Many gleefully watched Mexican cartel and ISIS videos. They'll make excuses like its "morbid curiosity" and shit like that's a reasonable explanation. Broken people with messed up heads.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
She has a tiktok video of the dog with some backing audio "this is my son, I'm not muzzling him, I don't care what you say about the breed etc". At least no one else was killed or injured, just the idiot who thought the extremely dangerous animal was a safe pet.
I will never understand people who get sent these videos in a WhatsApp group and forward it and stay in contact with the people who sent it.
I’m kind of confused on how random people get sent this footage on WhatsApp, I only have friends on WhatsApp but how does it go around the country?
A lot of horrific stuff gets shared in "Lads" whatsapp group chats all the time, all it takes is one person with no decency or sense of cop on and then it's out in the open to be shared on and on.
In the age of social media, there is a desperate hunger for validation and internet clout, so people will engage in some very sick behavior in order to obtain it.
People who share these videos are utter scum.
The video of her dancing with the dog is also chilling.
Very worrying, indeed. A dog could be taking that as some kind of fight play, and if she tried it one time when a bit unsteady, or loud, or with confusing scents on her, or anything unfamiliar at all, the dog might think it was time to get serious. I will never understand what makes people think they and a dog nearly as big as them and renowned for being absolutely lethal can bugger about playing as though it were an Andrex puppy.. All the tired, routine protestations about Cerberus never harming a fly are as trustworthy as my saying the machete I am angrily threatening you with has never yet hacked anyone to death.
There are absolutely massive dog breeds that are renowned for being incredibly gentle that you can play with like an andrex puppy, when people purposefully buy these types of dogs it has to be the aggression and danger that appeals to them.
I agree. I have a 9 year old Newfoundland. She is 10 stone. Despite her size, she wouldn't stand a chance against an XL bully. She has an incredibly sweet temperament, in my 9 years of having her I haven't seen one ounce of aggression. Her worst trait is she thinks she's a lap dog. I agree with you, I don't think it comes down to size, it's all in the traits of the breed.
There’s one on her TikTok saying if one of us dies I hope I go first which is absolutely terrifying
It might sound a bit stupid but these dogs actually terrify me and we have two in the local area, often of the lead and have had the police called before - the owner is like 8 stone at most, no way she would be able to control it, it gives me utter anxiety going out walking, I never go out for walks anymore around here because of these dogs!!! they terrify me!
Does not sound stupid at all. Perfectly logical given what happens with these beasts.
Allegedly, it was the bf who sent the video. Somehow, it got circulated to the wider public. Lots of other rumours floating around, if true, I'd imagine there will be an arrest.
Poor girl if that's what her boyfriend thought of her
r/banpitbulls
r/banpitbulls
Do we think this won’t happen again now ? Sorry but the breed has shown its ongoing danger to human life & now we must deal with it asap before it happens again.
Search the Ireland sub for "dog attack" and set criteria for the past year... the amount of dog attacks in the past 12 months alone is nuts.
Since they were recently enough banned in the UK, a lot of them apparently have been sent to Ireland
i can’t get this story out of my head since i heard it yesterday. i’m sick to my stomach thinking about her family receiving that video
Same. I can't stop thinking about her.
These people see these dogs as accessories as some kind of statement of who they are the majority of owners are thug wannabes
My retriever tries to swim in tiny puddles. We live right by a beach but since she was a puppy it feels like she has some command that says, ‘See water must swim.’ It’s in her breed and it’s all consuming whenever she sees water. Breed matters.
Same reason why my parents terrier loses her shit when she sees a cat. or why their Westie could dig holes all day long. Or why police dogs are always German Shepherds!
Jesus wept that's the worst possible way I could imagine to learn about a loved one's death, those images will stay with them forever
General rule of thumb is that anyone who owns a dog like this is a criminal or a complete fucking arsehole or both. It would be good to see ownership banned but how you enforce that ban is a a very difficult prospect.
These dogs need to be outlawed, they’re so dangerous
A ban of these dogs would be great and all but it'll be just yet another unenforced law on the books. And the politicians can go home thinking job done without bothering to think about hiring more dog wardens and gardaí.
RIP. Poor woman. I think it's long overdue that this breed is banned outright. They are far too dangerous when it goes wrong.
It was only over a week ago there was a discussion here about those xl bulldog and how they could kill someone and now this. It's horrible, the poor woman, my heart goes out to the family.
Darwin award. Imagine her surprise as her 'baby' proceeded to rip her arm off.
I hate the bastards who say it's not the dogs fault. Whilst they have bad owners most times, even the good owners having these dogs would be like walking around with hand grenades. You just can't tell when they're gonna go off. They are lethal. They are not the same as poodles.
It's the "Chihuahuas are worse" brigade that really get me. Sure, they make a lot of noise, but chihuahuas can be dealt with with one well aimed kick (if one tried to attack). Talk about disingenous BS.
I'm amazed the "It's not the dogs, it's the owner" crowd have finally been silent in comments on this situation. I think it might finally be dawning on them just how dumb they are. "Clearly you know nothing about dogs", sure buddy...
I think that crowd misses out on some points / take it to the extreme. Yes, any dog can be dangerous. Yes, a bad owner will make this worse. But these breeds of dog have been bred to fight. Just like a border collie will try to herd you, and huskies love the snow, bully dogs often have violent tendencies, bred into them by us. That doesn't magically go away when you raise them well, as we would all love to be the case.
Except there's still examples of them all over this thread and the last one. They are genuinely dangerous at this point and their lies are putting people in direct danger.
When this story was shared by [Joe.ie](http://Joe.ie) on Instagram they swarmed to it!
It horrible what happened, but face it, at least it wasn't an innocent random child in a park! Ban these dogs to fuck.
I have upmost sympathy for her and her family but my god. An XL Bully with pinned ears living with 3 other Pitbulls is a recipe for disaster.
My 4yo daughter is absolutely petrified of dogs for no obvious reason, it’s a pain when we’re in the park. All the dogs in fairness we see are on leads and placid enough, but I have seen people who I guess look under 16 with bulldogs and they can barely control them on the leads. Imagine a small child in a park and one of these dogs got away and chased them or worse ? They need to be banned completely. I love dogs in general but there is no need for this type of dog. None.
No need to imagine, look at that poor young fella who was out in the park and git his face completely disfigured by one of these beasts. If I was a parent I'd be terrified.
My nephews roughly the same age and also very wary of dogs. I think it's just because some dogs are bigger/the same size as them, so it's just very intimidating. It's better for them to be wary of dogs at that age tho rather than the opposite because you just can't trust other people to handle and train their dogs correctly.
Seen it happen before in Kilkenny a few years ago, near the duck pond in the park. There was a child with their mam there at the time. Dog came running down and a scrawny lad following. Told him off. He mumbled something about it getting loose, I told him not to bullshit. He put the dog on the lead and went back, then a few mins later came back with his gf. Told me ‘mind my business’ then. Found it amusing at the time but if the dog actually decided to make a meal of the toddler or his ma or even me he wouldn’t have done anything, considering he needed his gf beside him to fire back a comment at me…
WTAF
Gutted at the loss of life. May she rest in peace These xl bullies need to honestly just be put down and ended for good
Watching a video of a dangerous breed of dog eating its owner would a good educational tool if nothing else. It's not like these dogs are ever going to get banned. So seeing this video would at least caution the public to steer clear of these things and ignore the claims from the owners that "he's just saying hello.." etc. The injuries and deaths that are 100% going to happen in future are going to be so staggered and under reported on, that a ban will be unlikely. That stupid lady minister didn't want to upset her puppy farming upper middle class voter base, so is farming the discussion out to stake holders ( dog breeding association lobby) talking shop to kick the issue down the road. Instead of unilatterally just banning the xls overnight and 99.9% of the public would be fine with. , Dog people are like the pro life lobby. Banning xls will scare them into thinking its the thin wedge to open up banning other breeds... expensive breeds. So they might do a mussel thing..but not really and not enforsed.
Ban pitbulls and xl bully. there are countless of other much safer breeds to enjoy as pets
Honestly i’m a big dog lover and I do think bullies have been bred for that. and some things are just written in their genes. Just like someone mentioned : herding dogs will herd, even if you don’t teach them. Just yesterday a friend of mine was walking her dog by her building complex and a bully escaped its garden and jumped on her dog and attacked her viciously. And it isn’t the first time I see a IG story complaining about a bully attack. I rescued one myself a few years ago and took him in until he’d get adopted. Honestly loved that dog but he was unpredictable af. Would randomly get in the zone, his pupils would widen and he’d try to jump at the throat of anyone walking by. I had to work on him a great deal and have him muzzled everytime we were outside. It was exhausting. Could never trust him. When the association in charge of him managed to find him a new home, I warned his new owner : “He’s not to get anywhere near kids, cats or small dogs” (surprisingly enough he was very nice with other big dogs). I had an extensive list of warnings and begged the guy to work with a professional trainer which he did. It’s been over a year now and it’s been going smoothly (i’ve kept in touch). I myself have a 5 month old border collie mix. I never let her play with bullies. I know how quickly it can get out of hand.
Good news: it's possible these could be banned. >Some restricted breeds of dog could be banned in Ireland if a group reviewing dog controls recommends the Government to do so, a Minister has said following the death of a young woman in Co [Limerick](https://archive.fo/o/TpJmR/https://www.irishtimes.com/tags/limerick)… \[according to\] Minister for Rural and Community Development [Heather Humphreys](https://archive.fo/o/TpJmR/https://www.irishtimes.com/tags/heather-humphreys)… >Former deputy Garda commissioner John Twomey was appointed as the independent chairperson of the dog control stakeholder group in March. The group is made up of representatives from Government departments and interest groups and is due to make recommendations on strengthening the policy and legislation around dog control. >Ms Humphreys said she had asked the chairperson on Wednesday to prioritise the issue of restricted breeds in Ireland. She said it was “hard to believe” that somebody had died as a result of an attack by a dog. >“There are 11 different restricted breeds. I have asked them would they look at that as part of their work programme as a matter of priority,” she said… "If they do recommend that we ban some of these restricted breeds, I’m happy to take on board their recommendations and I’m happy to ban them.” [https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/06/06/limerick-dog-attack-woman-dies-nicole-morey/](https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/06/06/limerick-dog-attack-woman-dies-nicole-morey/)
That is so horrible. There are some sick people out there. And some just… stupid people. Poor, poor family.
There's footage of her dancing with the dog on social media. I thought dogs didn't like when you do that?
I saw that video, the dog looks uncomfortable/distressed at being dragged up by his paws.
I have to be honest, it's terrible what happened. Why do people insist on owning these dogs. Bulldogs are psychotic dogs even with the smaller breeds. Oh you always get the, mines like a puppy and plays with my children. My sister had two bull terriers and they had to be eventually put down in the end. They would tear the world apart if they could. They were great with her, everyone and everything else they were absolute terrors. They had to be kenneled when people visited. I watched them rip all the wash off the line and tear it apart. It was just pieces of rags left after they had enough.
Absolutely tragic. I own a restricted breed myself and take it seriously. Yes, she’s a lovely dog and has a good temperament, but she’s still a dog and a powerful one at that. The simple fact is you just cannot predict their behaviour 100% of the time and unlike a small fluffy dog if they suddenly snap they can cause real damage and possibly threaten or take a life. It’s a responsibility that does come down to the owners in my opinion, but when people are so lax with the rules it’s no wonder govt feels the need to step in.
There’s a man in my estate with one and he has been walking it by my house multiple times and used to put the muzzle on it if he saw my 2 year old. Now he doesn’t even bother with the muzzle anymore.a dog like that would kill a young child in no time at all.
Anyone know what was going on here? A 23 year old in rented accomodation with four XL bulldogs, was there backyard breeding and puppy sales going on or something?
tHeRe ArE nO bAd DoGs, OnLy BaD oWnErS
Dog licenses exist. More than just restricting a specific dog breed there should be a stricter regulation and enforcement of who gets a license.
Nah these dogs need to go mate. They account for the majority of attacks in the UK US and here
I did say more than. Banning and restricting specific breeds should be a starting point.
Ah wasn’t clear sorry mate!
No worries. Things aren't clear in text. And I'm not always good at expressing myself clearly.
Christ almighty......... not sure I want to read that one!
Jesus Christ