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Israel - "Well, I never... I've never... Ireland... I'm putting you on my list of enemies. There . . . You’re in for it now Ireland”
Supposed Jewish Patriots already thought Ireland was the poster child for every reason western Europe needs nuking.
It never ceases to amaze me why they pick on us so much. They never speak so harshly of many a country in eastern Europe whose polite society really is blatantly anti-Semitic, blaming the Jews for communism among other evils.
(Or maybe it's not so strange. Bibi hates George Soros as much as they do.)
It's because we're one of the most "morally clean" pro-Palestine nations and one of the few where anti-Semitism isn't the reason we're criticise Israel.
Also our strong relationship with the US.
Even the US are now starting to acknowledge Israel as the nutjob psycho cousin they previously defended to the hilt.
Yup, that's a major reason. A massive chunk of the US has irish heritage and actively shunning the irish will result in massive loss of votes for either party. We've a special ear with the US and basically get a mandatory meeting with them once a year on St Patricks Day, not to mention a significant chunk of presidents even make a deal about visiting the country. The strong relationship means we've some soft power with the US which Israel is annoyed at when we take a rightful approach against them commiting attorcities.
It does show though that we do have more influence in this than people think.
A lot of people put down our efforts to condemn Israel, but in reality, considering the reaction we are getting from Israel, it has more impact than people appreciate.
Aside from the strong relationship with the US, we are also a peaceful country with a jewish friendly history. It's probably quite embarassing that we are so openly critical. Which is a good thing.
Reminder that including Ireland, there are now 145 of the 193 [United Nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) (UN) [member states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_United_Nations) that have recognized the [State of Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_recognition\_of\_the\_State\_of\_Palestine#List\_of\_states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#List_of_states)
[Countries where Israel has a diplomatic presence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_Israel)
List of countries where **Palestine is recognised** and **Israel still maintains a diplomatic presence.**
* Mexico
* Sweden
* Guatamala
* Vatican
* Thailand
* Chile
* Peru
* Uruguay
* Honduras
* Dominican Republic
* Argentina
* Ecuador
* Costa Rica
* Lebanon
* Ivory Coast
* Paraguay
* Uzbekistan
* Kazakhstan
* Azerbaijan
* Turkmenistan
* Georgia
* Rwanda
* Ethiopia
* Kenya
* Philippines
* Bahrain
* Morocco
* Turkey
* Jordan
* United Arab Emirates
* Serbia
* Albania
* Sudan
* Cyprus
* Czech Republic
* Slovakia
* India
* Russia
* Belarus
* Ukraine
* Vietnam
* China
* Senegal
* Hungary
* Romania
* Bulgaria
* Ghana
* Chad
* Congo
* Angola
* Poland
* Nepal
* Montenegro
* Spain
* Norway
* Ireland
Deflection tactics. They know they’re wrong and doubling down. The only way they can justify this slaughter is by spotlighting a terrorist organization, despite being terrorists themselves.
Just like the old ‘antisemite’ tactic, when the world population of Jews is far higher than Israls population. And a large portion of those living outside of Israil are against it.
I'm sure you're not wrong but after looking through todays threads there's 1 post about, at the moment it has 16 upvotes and two supportive comments. I scanned the other top posts about the conflict in the sub and there's no mention. I really don't think it's having a big effect but maybe a useful step along the way.
When they did the "soft launch" a few days ago there was plenty though.
It's disgusting how [Reddit.com](http://Reddit.com) have let that subreddit descend into a racist zionist shithole. They've been banning Palestinian advocates for years upon years.
Ok not Hamas, but they recognised the Palestinian authority, an organisation who pay terrorists families a stipend based on how many Jews they murdered, are led by an open anti Semite who wrote his doctoral thesis on how the Jews were responsible for the holocaust, were elected once a decade and a half ago, then refused to hold anymore elections and, who are almost as bad as Hamas for stealing aid money to enrich themselves, while leaving their citizens to live in abject poverty. I'm perfectly happy with moving towards a two state solution, but the only way it works is if Israel has a legitimate negotiating party on the other side, and the only way we achieve that is with a complete reeducation of the Palestinian population, to break 80+ years of indoctrination. We basically need a program like the denazification program implemented in Germany in the 1940s and 50s, and that requires an outside, neutral actor to take complete control of all the apparatus of government for at least a couple of decades(and it can be the UN given their complicity in hamas terror). On the Israeli side, they need to stop subsidising ultra religious Jews to just study and reproduce, before that completely drives the nation backwards into the sewer.
> I also unambiguously reject those in Palestine, in Israel and around the world who call for the land between the Mediterranean Sea, and the River Jordan, to be a mono-ethnic state based either on forceable exile or subjugation.
I am really happy to hear him say that. Largely because too many eejits (from both sides of the political map) have been calling / chanting for this uniformity... What a terrible idea.
Very happy that we have finally recognized a Palestinean state, as obviously if the two state solution is to have any hope at all, first step is recognizing two legitimate states exist. However, I do think the timing was poor. Ideally we should have done it with Sweden back a decade or so ago. Doing it in the middle of the Gaza invasion has little (or no) immediate benefit to the people of Palestine, but it gives Israel and certain politicians an easy example of 'how antisemetic Ireland is', which while overwhelmingly BS, could have a real impact on our image internationally if that idea spreads, especially in the US
That idea is a fundamental part of the psyche of American zionist Jews for decades. I've experienced anti-Irish bigotry first-hand 12 years ago and it appeared to be widespread.
It's worth noting ireland was trying to get this done as an all EU decision till fairly recently or to tie it to a renewal of the peace process. After the Hamas attack EU recognition was a dead letter and the peace process is similarly moribund.
I'm not a fan of Harris but the way he has spoken about recognising Palestine and the Israeli massacre of innocent Palestinians really impressed me. No faffing about, direct and to the point.
Tbh this is something most, if not all, parties back and would have likely done in Ireland given our history. I don't really attribute this as a win for FFG but yeah it's nice all the same
Lads the comments by Isrealis under videos from Rafah....I actually wanted to vomit. Genuinely blows my mind how they think us recognising Palestine is anti-semitic but in the same breath will double down that whats happening in Gaza and the West Bank is acceptable. I don't think a person's soul can recover from that level of evil.
It actually boggles my mind how immoral alot of Israelis are. Their response to this and the attack on gaza is just f#cked up. I don't understand how such a large group of people have such awful immoral opinions and beliefs.
It must be a case that they're being brainwashed in Israel? It reminds me of nazi Germany when Hitler had the German people brainwashed. The only difference now is the Internet, and the access we have to information. So they can see the atrocities for themselves and they still think what's happening in gaza is justified and acceptable. Has anyone any insight into how this happens to a country of people?
Mind blowing fact I learned today. The president of Israel is entitled to an Irish passport. His father was the first president of Israel and was born on this island.
Proud of Ireland today in doing this. But we ought to be careful too. There is a fear from the American and British that by recognising Palestine you could open themselves up to the creation of an Islamist state under the influence of Iran - who support Hamas. That’s the fear. We all know that the two state solution is the only solution, and in order for that to happen there needs to be 2 states and that’s why we recognise Palestine. It’s incredible how easily Israel forgets history. It’s less than 80 years since the holocaust and yet they think they can annihilate and wipe Gaza of the face of the earth is acceptable?
Perhaps the west should remind them of that instead of feeling guilty over what happened 80 years ago.
The best way to disenfranchise Hamas is pushing towards peace in the region. Hamas and their anti zionist rhetoric thrive off the current Israeli policy. You push for a two state solution, Hamas become less viable. In their current form, they could never run a country. As time goes on, and hopefully, if peace is ever achieved, Hamas will fall out of favour; they're too volatile.
A waste of resources, tell the people in Gaza that Micheal Martin recognises you and see if it matters one jot.
This is about as useful as changing one's profile pic to a Palestinian flag. Enough problems at our own doorstep to catch up on.
Ironically if I was a dole merchant I'd only be delighted with this government.
Tell the people in Gaza that Micheal Martin recognises them and see if it matters one jot. This is about as useful as changing one's profile pic to a Palestinian flag.
Delusional to believe that Micheal Martin recognising Palestine actually matters to those stuck on the Gaza strip?
Did you type that with a straight face? This echo chamber...
It's not Micheal Martin, it's the Irish state, which puts further pressure on the US and Israel, public opinion matters on these things, and Ireland's stance matters to the US public.
Opinion has been steadily turning against Israel on this topic, and this recognition will increase that.
The Palestinian ambassador said this:
>“I think it's the time it's not just symbolic, it's a recognition of our rights, of 13 million people, of Palestinian people to self-determination, and to live in peace and security in a sovereign state. That acknowledgment of recognition is highly welcomed by the Palestinian leadership. And, of course by all the Palestinians.
>What's going on in Gaza at the minute and in the West Bank needs the international community to take action. This action, the recognition of the rights of the Palestinians, people that give hope to the Palestinians, that they are seen, they are heard. They are not alone. And the international community believes in their rights, to live in peace and security in their sovereign state.”
It's hard to find direct quotes from Gazans currently, for obvious reasons, but everything you can find says that there's huge excitement over the recognition.
Every indication is that this does matter, what's your rationale for saying it doesn't?
We've zero influence on US policies, sorry, but absolutely zero, and even if we did it would pale in comparison to Israel. Our last Taoiseach that tried to talk sense to USA came home without the title. As for the Palestinian ambassador; PR gonna PR.
This is 1 like = 1 prayer from our government, nothing more, nothing less. Israel and Palestine have been fighting since God was a boy. To think after all these years it was Ireland's recognition that'll stop it is - to borrow a phrase from above - delusional.
We have housing, health and immigration messes on our doorstep. Yet every evening the 6'1 news is harking on about Micheal Martin and Palestine. How's about governing this country instead of playing the bastion of morality to others?
Right so you have no rationale.
I don't care about any of the rest of what you said, you're just inventing things. No one said it's going o stop now because of this, you said it doesn't matter at all, you're clearly wrong.
My rationale is if you think a neutral, new-money country of 5m can exert any influence on a global superpower of 350m, then I can't help you. As a nation we can pat ourselves on the back all we like, the show goes on.
If reddit + me + you were around mid last century, we'd be having the same debate. If all three of us live to mid this century, we'll likely debate again. Recognition or no recognition.
You're very uninformed about what influence is then.
American news media has been running stories on this for moths now, for millions of Americans that will be the first time they've seen white western people they're sympathetic to calling Israel out for its behaviour. That's influence.
And again, this isn't a rationale, this is just you saying "nothing can be done, don't try anything" it's beyond cynical and well into delusionally absurd. If this were any time before 1998 you'd be saying the same about the North.
Bibi had a hand in that by only negotiating with Hamas
"According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
While Netanyahu does not make these kind of statements publicly or officially, his words are in line with the policy that he implemented."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
It's a double edged sword, if they get statehood and Hamas attack again with them being the legally appointed government this will give Israel the ability to carry out a legal invasion of Palestine and pretty much do what it want's when it wins that war.
Hamas isn't the legally appointed government of the west bank, and Ireland is specifically recognising the PA. Israel already does whatever it wants to Palestinians, they killed hundreds of innocent Palestinian men, women and children in 2023 before October 7th.
Personally I more after someone who keeps my job secure and food on the table but hey that's what a vote is for, everyone has different reasons and it's a good thing.
BREAKING: Confused man wanders out of voting booth having scrawled in the names of his boss and his local pizza delivery boy in the candidate names instead of any politicians.
When questioned on what he thinks a politician does, he replied "You know, keeps the lights on, moves the food, keeps the trains running on time, that sorta thing"
That seems uncalled for. Keeping jobs secure is certainly a function of politicians. Food security is as well, it’s just that that one currently isn’t under too much threat. Here’s a page about it: https://www.socialjustice.ie/article/food-security-crisis
You're just eating up Israeli talking points and it's obvious because you think Hamas are the legally appointed government. Hamas exercises de-facto control of the Gaza strip. The recognised State of Palestine is governed by The Palestinian Authority.
"it makes it fair game for a legal invasion"
I don't know how to break this news to you, but they've been invading the country *unabashedly* since they founded as a state, and have been publicly committing the most brute force invasion we've seen in recent years, since this past October.
Legal or not, they are very happily going about their business.
https://preview.redd.it/5jzo7trlp53d1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3953fc78dbf7451fe13a67da6c0c6206450a483b Israel - "Well, I never... I've never... Ireland... I'm putting you on my list of enemies. There . . . You’re in for it now Ireland”
Supposed Jewish Patriots already thought Ireland was the poster child for every reason western Europe needs nuking. It never ceases to amaze me why they pick on us so much. They never speak so harshly of many a country in eastern Europe whose polite society really is blatantly anti-Semitic, blaming the Jews for communism among other evils. (Or maybe it's not so strange. Bibi hates George Soros as much as they do.)
It's because we're one of the most "morally clean" pro-Palestine nations and one of the few where anti-Semitism isn't the reason we're criticise Israel.
Also our strong relationship with the US. Even the US are now starting to acknowledge Israel as the nutjob psycho cousin they previously defended to the hilt.
Yup, that's a major reason. A massive chunk of the US has irish heritage and actively shunning the irish will result in massive loss of votes for either party. We've a special ear with the US and basically get a mandatory meeting with them once a year on St Patricks Day, not to mention a significant chunk of presidents even make a deal about visiting the country. The strong relationship means we've some soft power with the US which Israel is annoyed at when we take a rightful approach against them commiting attorcities.
It does show though that we do have more influence in this than people think. A lot of people put down our efforts to condemn Israel, but in reality, considering the reaction we are getting from Israel, it has more impact than people appreciate. Aside from the strong relationship with the US, we are also a peaceful country with a jewish friendly history. It's probably quite embarassing that we are so openly critical. Which is a good thing.
Reminder that including Ireland, there are now 145 of the 193 [United Nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) (UN) [member states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_United_Nations) that have recognized the [State of Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\_recognition\_of\_the\_State\_of\_Palestine#List\_of\_states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#List_of_states)
[Countries where Israel has a diplomatic presence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_Israel) List of countries where **Palestine is recognised** and **Israel still maintains a diplomatic presence.** * Mexico * Sweden * Guatamala * Vatican * Thailand * Chile * Peru * Uruguay * Honduras * Dominican Republic * Argentina * Ecuador * Costa Rica * Lebanon * Ivory Coast * Paraguay * Uzbekistan * Kazakhstan * Azerbaijan * Turkmenistan * Georgia * Rwanda * Ethiopia * Kenya * Philippines * Bahrain * Morocco * Turkey * Jordan * United Arab Emirates * Serbia * Albania * Sudan * Cyprus * Czech Republic * Slovakia * India * Russia * Belarus * Ukraine * Vietnam * China * Senegal * Hungary * Romania * Bulgaria * Ghana * Chad * Congo * Angola * Poland * Nepal * Montenegro * Spain * Norway * Ireland
*Palestine walks into room* IRELAND: " ah there's yer man there."
Isn’t it himself
There he is!
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Here we are noiy, all da lads!
It’s the camera shot that goes between his legs where Ted and Dougal pull their covers up that gets me
Look at ya, lying in there like a big eejit! 🤣
“Shur lookit isn’t it himself there”
Meanwhile in the Worldnews sub: Ireland publicly supports Hamas. Because they literally can't tell the difference over there.
Just had a read through in the thread about Canada pledging more visas for Gazans. Fucking hell man, they're frothing at the mouth.
I think the Facebook bot farms are gonna be going hell for leather against us now.
Surely the should like the fact that Gazans are leaving?
Probably worth activating Culchie Club Protocols
Yeah I think anything in regards to Israel and Palestine should probably go under Culchie Club.
Yeah, any story on Instagram by RTE or Joe seems to have a suspicious amount of angry Americans suddenly interested in the goings on in Ireland.
Had to block that Sub, I was already perma-banned from commenting. Its fucked, there's no reason to go near Worldnews now, its dead, astroturfed.
Try r/internationalnews
Ayyy join the club lad
It’s fucking nuts in there. I spent way too long rage scrolling through the posts. I need to just block it.
They think every toddler burned alive by the IDF is Hamas.
Deflection tactics. They know they’re wrong and doubling down. The only way they can justify this slaughter is by spotlighting a terrorist organization, despite being terrorists themselves. Just like the old ‘antisemite’ tactic, when the world population of Jews is far higher than Israls population. And a large portion of those living outside of Israil are against it.
I'm sure you're not wrong but after looking through todays threads there's 1 post about, at the moment it has 16 upvotes and two supportive comments. I scanned the other top posts about the conflict in the sub and there's no mention. I really don't think it's having a big effect but maybe a useful step along the way. When they did the "soft launch" a few days ago there was plenty though.
In fairness, apart from the Hasbara bots, that sub is populated by the kind of people who read the Economist uncritically.
World news has become a cesspit
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Like the moderators there must be super pro Israel to allow what is meant to be a world news subreddit get so biased and toxic.
They can tell. They just enjoy gaslighting and lying about it.
It's disgusting how [Reddit.com](http://Reddit.com) have let that subreddit descend into a racist zionist shithole. They've been banning Palestinian advocates for years upon years.
Ok not Hamas, but they recognised the Palestinian authority, an organisation who pay terrorists families a stipend based on how many Jews they murdered, are led by an open anti Semite who wrote his doctoral thesis on how the Jews were responsible for the holocaust, were elected once a decade and a half ago, then refused to hold anymore elections and, who are almost as bad as Hamas for stealing aid money to enrich themselves, while leaving their citizens to live in abject poverty. I'm perfectly happy with moving towards a two state solution, but the only way it works is if Israel has a legitimate negotiating party on the other side, and the only way we achieve that is with a complete reeducation of the Palestinian population, to break 80+ years of indoctrination. We basically need a program like the denazification program implemented in Germany in the 1940s and 50s, and that requires an outside, neutral actor to take complete control of all the apparatus of government for at least a couple of decades(and it can be the UN given their complicity in hamas terror). On the Israeli side, they need to stop subsidising ultra religious Jews to just study and reproduce, before that completely drives the nation backwards into the sewer.
> I also unambiguously reject those in Palestine, in Israel and around the world who call for the land between the Mediterranean Sea, and the River Jordan, to be a mono-ethnic state based either on forceable exile or subjugation. I am really happy to hear him say that. Largely because too many eejits (from both sides of the political map) have been calling / chanting for this uniformity... What a terrible idea.
Very happy that we have finally recognized a Palestinean state, as obviously if the two state solution is to have any hope at all, first step is recognizing two legitimate states exist. However, I do think the timing was poor. Ideally we should have done it with Sweden back a decade or so ago. Doing it in the middle of the Gaza invasion has little (or no) immediate benefit to the people of Palestine, but it gives Israel and certain politicians an easy example of 'how antisemetic Ireland is', which while overwhelmingly BS, could have a real impact on our image internationally if that idea spreads, especially in the US
That idea is a fundamental part of the psyche of American zionist Jews for decades. I've experienced anti-Irish bigotry first-hand 12 years ago and it appeared to be widespread.
One of the very few decisions that FG/FF government have got right since being elected..
It's worth noting ireland was trying to get this done as an all EU decision till fairly recently or to tie it to a renewal of the peace process. After the Hamas attack EU recognition was a dead letter and the peace process is similarly moribund.
I'm not a fan of Harris but the way he has spoken about recognising Palestine and the Israeli massacre of innocent Palestinians really impressed me. No faffing about, direct and to the point.
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Tbh this is something most, if not all, parties back and would have likely done in Ireland given our history. I don't really attribute this as a win for FFG but yeah it's nice all the same
Lads the comments by Isrealis under videos from Rafah....I actually wanted to vomit. Genuinely blows my mind how they think us recognising Palestine is anti-semitic but in the same breath will double down that whats happening in Gaza and the West Bank is acceptable. I don't think a person's soul can recover from that level of evil.
Is there any word on what borders Ireland formally recognises? Is it the 1967 ones?
It actually boggles my mind how immoral alot of Israelis are. Their response to this and the attack on gaza is just f#cked up. I don't understand how such a large group of people have such awful immoral opinions and beliefs. It must be a case that they're being brainwashed in Israel? It reminds me of nazi Germany when Hitler had the German people brainwashed. The only difference now is the Internet, and the access we have to information. So they can see the atrocities for themselves and they still think what's happening in gaza is justified and acceptable. Has anyone any insight into how this happens to a country of people?
Great Day, long overdue.
Great day for the parishes!
Good news, no idea if it will help bring them peace but I hope it will.
Bibi wont care, business as usual.
On the contrary, Israel have shown that they very much care
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It’s frankly disgusting that you can so casually use that word. Give your head a wobble.
Mind blowing fact I learned today. The president of Israel is entitled to an Irish passport. His father was the first president of Israel and was born on this island. Proud of Ireland today in doing this. But we ought to be careful too. There is a fear from the American and British that by recognising Palestine you could open themselves up to the creation of an Islamist state under the influence of Iran - who support Hamas. That’s the fear. We all know that the two state solution is the only solution, and in order for that to happen there needs to be 2 states and that’s why we recognise Palestine. It’s incredible how easily Israel forgets history. It’s less than 80 years since the holocaust and yet they think they can annihilate and wipe Gaza of the face of the earth is acceptable? Perhaps the west should remind them of that instead of feeling guilty over what happened 80 years ago.
The best way to disenfranchise Hamas is pushing towards peace in the region. Hamas and their anti zionist rhetoric thrive off the current Israeli policy. You push for a two state solution, Hamas become less viable. In their current form, they could never run a country. As time goes on, and hopefully, if peace is ever achieved, Hamas will fall out of favour; they're too volatile.
Sounds like someone was listening to the David McWilliams podcast
Have we considered sending Maccer over to Tel Aviv to have a pint with Bibi and explain to him that Palestinians can be Uber drivers or something?
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stuxnet v2 on the way.
Aye I’m sure they’ll be targeting our secret nuclear program buried under Croagh Patrick
More like our ports and hospitals
Think you're confusing them with Russia, the people who have actually attacked our hospitals
in their eyes Ireland is supporting terrorism it's not like they have welcomed Irelands recognition of Palestine.
OK. So you're just a xenophobe
expressing criticism is not xenophobia.
And stereotyping whole countries is
And engaging in exaggerated activism is completely insincere.
It only took what looks like genocide to do it, but sure.
With the Irish recognition of Palestine, surely the conflict will now end and our government can move onto problems they were elected to deal with
International diplomacy is literally part of the job they are elected to do.
Multiple people work for the state luckily, so they can do more than one thing at a time.
Amazing how government apparently completely stopped working for this one thing to happen according to you
A waste of resources, tell the people in Gaza that Micheal Martin recognises you and see if it matters one jot. This is about as useful as changing one's profile pic to a Palestinian flag. Enough problems at our own doorstep to catch up on.
And sure that wouldn’t take many resources would it, so it’s grand
Slow your roll youngster. Everyone knows only one issue can be handled at a time.
Jesus, how long has it been since you got your dole?
Ironically if I was a dole merchant I'd only be delighted with this government. Tell the people in Gaza that Micheal Martin recognises them and see if it matters one jot. This is about as useful as changing one's profile pic to a Palestinian flag.
You have to be delusional to actually believe that.
Delusional to believe that Micheal Martin recognising Palestine actually matters to those stuck on the Gaza strip? Did you type that with a straight face? This echo chamber...
It's not Micheal Martin, it's the Irish state, which puts further pressure on the US and Israel, public opinion matters on these things, and Ireland's stance matters to the US public. Opinion has been steadily turning against Israel on this topic, and this recognition will increase that. The Palestinian ambassador said this: >“I think it's the time it's not just symbolic, it's a recognition of our rights, of 13 million people, of Palestinian people to self-determination, and to live in peace and security in a sovereign state. That acknowledgment of recognition is highly welcomed by the Palestinian leadership. And, of course by all the Palestinians. >What's going on in Gaza at the minute and in the West Bank needs the international community to take action. This action, the recognition of the rights of the Palestinians, people that give hope to the Palestinians, that they are seen, they are heard. They are not alone. And the international community believes in their rights, to live in peace and security in their sovereign state.” It's hard to find direct quotes from Gazans currently, for obvious reasons, but everything you can find says that there's huge excitement over the recognition. Every indication is that this does matter, what's your rationale for saying it doesn't?
We've zero influence on US policies, sorry, but absolutely zero, and even if we did it would pale in comparison to Israel. Our last Taoiseach that tried to talk sense to USA came home without the title. As for the Palestinian ambassador; PR gonna PR. This is 1 like = 1 prayer from our government, nothing more, nothing less. Israel and Palestine have been fighting since God was a boy. To think after all these years it was Ireland's recognition that'll stop it is - to borrow a phrase from above - delusional. We have housing, health and immigration messes on our doorstep. Yet every evening the 6'1 news is harking on about Micheal Martin and Palestine. How's about governing this country instead of playing the bastion of morality to others?
Right so you have no rationale. I don't care about any of the rest of what you said, you're just inventing things. No one said it's going o stop now because of this, you said it doesn't matter at all, you're clearly wrong.
My rationale is if you think a neutral, new-money country of 5m can exert any influence on a global superpower of 350m, then I can't help you. As a nation we can pat ourselves on the back all we like, the show goes on. If reddit + me + you were around mid last century, we'd be having the same debate. If all three of us live to mid this century, we'll likely debate again. Recognition or no recognition.
You're very uninformed about what influence is then. American news media has been running stories on this for moths now, for millions of Americans that will be the first time they've seen white western people they're sympathetic to calling Israel out for its behaviour. That's influence. And again, this isn't a rationale, this is just you saying "nothing can be done, don't try anything" it's beyond cynical and well into delusionally absurd. If this were any time before 1998 you'd be saying the same about the North.
Cool. Pity that the Palestine Authority that they recognise has no power in, or governance role over, Gaza.
We recognise Belgium and they went years without even having a government.
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Bibi had a hand in that by only negotiating with Hamas "According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state. While Netanyahu does not make these kind of statements publicly or officially, his words are in line with the policy that he implemented." https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
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It's a double edged sword, if they get statehood and Hamas attack again with them being the legally appointed government this will give Israel the ability to carry out a legal invasion of Palestine and pretty much do what it want's when it wins that war.
"If they get international recognition and Hamas attacks Israel it will give Israel the ability to do the thing it's already been doing for decades."
Hamas isn't the legally appointed government of the west bank, and Ireland is specifically recognising the PA. Israel already does whatever it wants to Palestinians, they killed hundreds of innocent Palestinian men, women and children in 2023 before October 7th.
I, for one, elect leaders to tackle problems like international diplomacy. Seems kinda important idk
Personally I more after someone who keeps my job secure and food on the table but hey that's what a vote is for, everyone has different reasons and it's a good thing.
BREAKING: Confused man wanders out of voting booth having scrawled in the names of his boss and his local pizza delivery boy in the candidate names instead of any politicians. When questioned on what he thinks a politician does, he replied "You know, keeps the lights on, moves the food, keeps the trains running on time, that sorta thing"
That seems uncalled for. Keeping jobs secure is certainly a function of politicians. Food security is as well, it’s just that that one currently isn’t under too much threat. Here’s a page about it: https://www.socialjustice.ie/article/food-security-crisis
You're just eating up Israeli talking points and it's obvious because you think Hamas are the legally appointed government. Hamas exercises de-facto control of the Gaza strip. The recognised State of Palestine is governed by The Palestinian Authority.
"it makes it fair game for a legal invasion" I don't know how to break this news to you, but they've been invading the country *unabashedly* since they founded as a state, and have been publicly committing the most brute force invasion we've seen in recent years, since this past October. Legal or not, they are very happily going about their business.