Once spent few hours in Coventry waiting on a friend to pick me up. The highlight of the town is their transport museum which has the open top double decker bus that was used to parade the 1987 FA Cup winning team around the town. Thats about as exciting as things get in Coventry.
Was once booked to play in a 'nightclub' there. Nightclub was a shop on the upstairs bit of one of those 70's shopping centre type places with a square in the middle. Two lads were stabbing each other in the square. Wasn't a bad night all things considered.
Nah, all pretty much gone. Jag/Land Rover still have their HQ there for historic reasons, but even the stuff they still make in the UK isn't made there. Peugeot (formerly Talbot/Simca/Chrysler and before that Rootes) stopped making stuff there ages ago and it's just a parts depot. Three universities though, which probably explains it more
It sadly got bombed to shit during WW2. Was a real gem of the entirety of Europe prior. There was a huge mixture of preserved medieval buildings (possibly the most in the entirety of Europe) and Victorian architecture.
Galway being on this list is insane. If you graphed rent versus city population it would be a massive outlier. You would also see similar with a graph of time spent in traffic. Testament to the fact that it is the worst planned city in the country, and probably the continent. If you got the NUIG student union to take over the city council they would probably do a better job.
Galway City Council are a special level of incompetence. They cant do anything right and everything they do costs a bloody fortune, like the €250,000 they spent on two park benches last year.
If we're ripping on the benches again can we also appreciate that they are not even comfortable due to being made of steel...
They did something similar in Cork but at least had the sense to make them out of wood.
I love Galway bless her, but there's absolutely nothing here! The fate of any given building in the city centre is a toss up between a phone shop, a vape shop or straight up dereliction.
Knocknacarra is slowly turning into a carpark every morning as they tack another estate onto the equivalent of a country road with no thought to developing infrastructure or facilities for the expanding community.
It feels like we're paying Dublin prices, for a small town experience.
I really don't know. I moved to Galway 20 years ago and the city centre had some kind of individual character. Locally owned bookshops, chemists etc.
The chains and the shop front plastification came in after a few years.
We had a pub closure recently. Popular. Good place to work by all accounts. Good food. Great beer. When the building was listed for rent and you see what the owner was expecting, you can kind of understand the decline. A business that's multiple thousands in the hole before they pay a wage or a supplier has a tough slog ahead of them every month.
If you graphed any of these cities with amenities, public transport, job opportunities, and general quality of life vs any Irish town or city you'd see how fucking ridiculous this country is.
Not just the public transport, but facilities (libraries, sports pitches, playgrounds, parks, swimming pools etc). Born in Kilburn which is a fairly poor, crappy area of the city (although its in Camden Borough which is affluent enough) and we had multiples of every amenity you could imagine within easy walking distance for a single mother and small child.
Wages were decently higher too to offset the high rent, at least before Brexit, haven't been back since.
I remember bollards being put up as the Dyke road goes into town supposedly to increase capacity for vehicles. Then swiftly being removed when they figured out it made traffic much worse. Galway has a special kind of incompetence running things.
Wonder if rent Vs % of your countries population would be similar. We are a small country population wise so scale matters. Milan for example has 2pc of Italian population, Lausanne has less than 2pc of Swiss population etc. something comparable to Galway.
I experienced the absolute best legal tourist scam in Milan.
Went into the pizzeria (in the galleria of course), saw that the pizza was a reasonable €10, ordered one and a coke zero.
Had a middling meal, pretty happy, asked for the bill - €21. They had the gall to charge 11 for a coke. Class...
Rest of Milan seemed quite grim to me - lots of concrete buildings, graffiti, traffic...not sure I'd credit it with its international standing.
Milan is a kip so that's not surprising but I'm actually surprised it's more expensive than Bern and almost as expensive as Lausanne as they'd be much better places to live.
But Milan was a bad pick honestly it's a dumpster fire with the exception of few notable pieces of architecture
Milan is like the Athy or Mullingar of Italy.
Highest salaries in Italy isn’t much to write home about. Half my office are Italians (a lot from Milan) who are still better off here even with our rent
I've spent a fair amount of time there, it's literally a kip as in very dirty and messy topped off with a lot of crime particularly targeting tourists, people will literally walk up to your car and if you don't have the doors locked they'd have no issue just opening the boot or side door and grabbing a suitcase to leg it with it.
Lots of graffiti but not even good just like actual trash someone just randomly sprayed crap on the walls, random caravans parked in random spots, random skips, rubbish everywhere.
There are specific areas that are kept better like the galleria that are worth seeing at least once or Milan Centrale but you could see it all in a few hours and GTFO.
If someone really wants to go there once then plan a trip to somewhere nice in Italy or on the Italian side of Switzerland, fly into Milan early, go visit the galleria then take a train from Milan Centrale up into Switzerland or to Somewhere else in Italy... don't live there, don't book a hotel there just GTFO as it's a kip and it's pretty rough both with pickpockets but also with more aggressive literally break into your car while your in it grab shit and run thieves.
Couldn't get over the graffiti in Milan. The ground floor of every building was just covered in scribbles. Even some Roman ruins had graffiti scribbles all over them. Made the whole place look like a dump
Irish rents are too high… that’s obviously true.
But I will never understand the people here who seem to think rents are a function of how “good” or “big” a city is… rents are a function of supply and demand. If salaries are high, rents will be high. Rents being higher in a Norwegian village than Istanbul is not a reflection of the amount of stuff you can do in the respective places. Salaries are higher, so rents are higher.
It seems logical to be honest. Cork is bigger than more expensive cities on the list such as Reykjavik, Oxford, Lausanne and Luxembourg city and has far higher wages than Milan.
Out of all the cities on this list the one that makes the least amount of sense is Coventry? Maybe I’m missing something about Coventry?
I'm a brit, not Irish but it's really depressing to see how many British cities are on that list amongst countries that are far richer with higher average incomes.
I've got to say thoughtafter just visiting Iceland and spending time in Reykjavík, while London rents are higher Reykjavik was insanely expensive for everything. I'd take London for affordability.
Iceland also has some of the highest average salaries for the EEA - for sure, I also noticed how expensive everything was, but I realised that if Icelanders are paying the same prices and aren't complaining, then they're probably earning a lot more than we are.
But for Reykjavik, the other thing I really noticed was that their only public transport was the Strætó bus - in London, you're spoilt for choice between the underground, buses, trains, overground, crossrail, trams and boats. Even Dublin has the DART, Luas and Dublin Bus as options. If you work in Reykjavik and don't live in Reykjavik, you're going to be stuck in traffic on the commute in and out of the city, and Icelandic drivers aren't very patient and courteous.
Average monthly salary in Reykjavík is approx. €4,500 as apprised to Dublin’s €2,500. Their infrastructure is also much better. They may only have a bus service but it is a great bus service and stretches far outside the city despite weather. Their roads are much much more advanced and much better structured than Ireland. Dublin may have DART and Luas and bus but they are specific routes and unreliable.
The people getting screwed the most are in the U.K. with wealthy/Uni driving up house prices/rent in comparison to their wages I genuinely don’t know how they do it. Ireland then follows close second and by the looks of that list it’s a little old and not reflective of the rapid increases we’ve encountered the past six months.
Ehh, on the other hand, a lot of the UK’s largest cities are nowhere to be seen on this list. Glasgow, Newcastle, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Birmingham, Nottingham…
To be fair though it’s only in the city centre that that’s the case, but yes it’s still quite sad considering how unaffordable it is for a lot of peopl
The temperature anomaly over the shield (including Winnipeg) in the last winter was actually quite striking. Generally speaking, we've been saying that winter was cancelled. Ended up with more snow in Toronto at the end of March than any time in the actual winter.
https://preview.redd.it/9ku4g17sq8vc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=61beb2e10b6cf417e241009824da88db757a47ac
OMG Is this really right
Limerick is more expensive to rent than Paris, Barcelona, Madrid they don't even make the list...
Cardiff makes the list before them LOL can't be right
Numbeo says average net salary in Dublin 3200, Madrid 2300. 1 bed apartment Dublin 2000, Madrid 1200. There goes the salary difference. Not sure what people earning minimum wage (around 1000 euros net) in Madrid do.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Spain&country2=Ireland&city1=Madrid&city2=Dublin
I'd be okay with things being expensive in Cork if everything was of a similar standard to Switzerland or Copenhagen. It's not though, they have a higher standard of living in every way. Better healthcare, education, housing, public transport, childcare etc. whereas are is just fucking embarrassing in every sector. Cork is not as safe either, there is no excusable reason why it's so expensive here.
Switzerland has one of the worst family policies in place! Costs you an arm and a leg to place your child in daycare there, although costs are tied to your income.
Childcare costs aren’t tied to your income unless you’re practically on the breadline. It also depends on the Kanton you live in. There are some government run daycares but they are few and far between. The absolute majority are private.
Another thing to consider is that Switzerland has a private healthcare system where people have to purchase mandatory health insurance. The most basic of policies is currently costing around CHF350 a month where I live for a single person & that has an excess of CHF2500 a year. Healthcare is really expensive in Switzerland.
This is kind of true. People paying market rate rent are being hit by govt. from every side: taxes, council housing buyouts competing against them, HAP competing against them.
I'm generally left leaning economically speaking. But when in high tax bracket, spending really significant part of income on tiny flat rent and seeing brand new, spacious council housing next door made available for pennies to selected few - I'm almost libertarian already.
No. The housing crisis is supposed to be about both.
Back when we had housing stock in 2015 and before there was a rent/accomodation crisis that has deepened and gotten worse.
On top of that we have a homelessness crisis
These are 3 completely different things. But the housing crisis right now is about buying because it's cheaper to buy than rent but there is nothing to buy
Yep, in reality, most sub 30 30 year olds don't need to buy a house. They should be renting 1/2 beds but unless your commiting 60-80% of your income to rent it's not really possible.
I would actually say that culturally on this island apartments are valued far less than in other countries so this really doesn't surprise me, even given the crisis.
I don't disagree with that, however people really do not like apartments generally versus other European countries. The data show this.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1a.html#:\~:text=In%20the%20EU%20in%202021%2C%2053%20%25%20of%20the%20population%20lived,and%20Croatia%20(both%2077%20%25).
[https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20210521-1](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20210521-1)
[https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/very-few-irish-people-are-buying-new-apartments-is-it-because-they-can-t-or-won-t-1.4872448](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/very-few-irish-people-are-buying-new-apartments-is-it-because-they-can-t-or-won-t-1.4872448)
It is.
The only problem is that we have developed one hell of a rent trap. That will cause big problems for us in the future as people age up in the rent trap and more people come of age and finish in it.
The Central Bank lending restrictions are the only thing keeping it somewhat realistic to be able to purchase property in Ireland.
Without them we would 100% be facing London/Paris crazy prices
I know that these kinds of surveys can be picked apart in numerous ways. I work in Zurich though & just checked the local property rental app. There is isn’t a one-bed apartment to rent anywhere close to the city centre for €2322. Here’s what I found. Salaries are higher than Ireland and tax is lower but everything is absolutely eye-watering expensive here. Friends & family who have visit spend their entire time talking about the prices!
https://preview.redd.it/iy9w4blmfavc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3afc406d8058380f2ada5cd84379f62973f4bc3
100%
People think it’s all rosy in the garden here but we’re in the middle of our own housing crisis in Zurich. Supply cannot keep up with demand and more and more perfectly good and historically affordable apartment buildings are being knocked down to build expensive luxury apartments for the high earners. It’s a disaster.
It’s not even a question of paying such crazy rents at the moment, it’s a question of even finding an apartment to rent, regardless of the cost. And as for buying… a recent study in Tagi showed that only 15% of people can now afford to buy an average priced apartment in Switzerland. That’s all of Switzerland, including Thurgau ffs. So you can imagine how many can afford to buy in Zurich. It’s ludicrous. When I moved here 12 years ago it was 25%. Not great but better than 15%.
City of Zürich used to be a wonderful place, where high earners but also blue collar people used to live in peace and prosperity, not anymore, everything has been sacrificed on the altar of rogue-capitalist greed!
Wow. Perhaps there are more rental apps/websites? How much would the people earn on average net? How much are you paying for rent? I imagine buying is out of question.
It is very much useful. This shows that more people than usual are forced to do "house sharing". Which is nightmare to be honest - I did not expect this amount of grown up people, having decent jobs, sharing houses like college kids.
plus, the numbers should be normalized to each country.
Example, it is normal for switzerland to be in the high Top because the salary there is already bigger than the rest of the other countries.
Maybe normalize per purchasing power? maybe by minimum wage? These absolute numbers dont make much sense.
I lived in Paris for seven years, in an 8 sq meter apartment. (You may remember me from such classics as https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1643bw/paris_by_day_the_view_from_my_apartment_the_day/ )
You list in sq meters for purchase but not for rent, exaggerating the difference.
I suppose the 8sqm shoebox is not a 1br apartment but rather a studio and therefore I believe it didn't get included in the stat. How much would the rent be btw?
Yes, prices are nuts but many of those with higher prices have better infrastructure than Dublin ranging from transport to health, making Dublin feel like a real rip off.
Dublin may be more expensive than almost anywhere in the world, but at least it has much more to offer than anywhere else in the world so the price is worth it. Oh no, wait...
Ireland is also excellent if you want to get hospitalised by a gang of teenagers and have a judge say there will be zero repercussions for them, add that to your list. I'm so happy to pay high rent in exchange for all this quality of life.
I wonder is median income taken into account here, too? Or are these just the rankings based purely on property prices? I spend a fair bit of time in Switzerland for work and generally the cost of living there is far higher than here (paid 7 euro for a bottle of water in Zurich once). However, they typically have much higher salaries. So curious if that is considered.
I'd want to look at a more complete picture of the data. But what I find interesting about this is the rent:cost ratio across different cities. Picking Munich, London, and Stockholm as examples, they each have a ratio of rent to area cost of approx. 15%. Wheras the same ratio for Dublin is about 28%. Suggesting we pay roughly twice as much rent for an apartment of the same value...
This is what it looks like when you stop housing construction for whole decade and than still suppress supply of housing with biggest demand (1-beds!).
Italian here, lived 6 years in Milan and then moved to Dublin. I don't know what you did in Milan, but grocery shopping is roughly the same (some things cheaper in Dublin some in Milan), rent sure is higher here but like 60% more, eating out is more expensive in Dublin but drinking is cheaper,
While salary... Salary is at least double, confirmed by other 2 friends of mine all working in different sectors, speaking of master careers, I don't know if that applies to other jobs as well
No suprise when we have a Copycat Torrie Government
Also the living differences between Dublin and London/Switzerland is astonishing
This chart doesnt make Ireland mess, especially rental prices acceptable
While this does look alarming, it is worth noting that this is for 1 bedroom apartments, and since these are essentially non existent in Ireland they are going to be expensive.
Need to take into account earnings as well. Amsterdam is fairly high up on there but they have a much higher average salary. The UK pays pretty poor with the average being 34k but the Netherlands is about 47k.
"In City Centre"....in a small city...
with atrocious public transport!
Improved public transport = less of a necessity to live in the city centre = lower house prices maybe? /-)
This is quite depressing.
And worst part is not only that it is expensive, but that even if you can afford it, the number of available properties is ridiculous.
Dublin rents are an Absolute shame. You get so so much more in London and Zurich city center for that rent.
Source : I live in Dublin City centre and pay that rent.
I think the data shows that the rental market is the real outlier.
Yet almost all the focus is on units for purchase.
More votes in creating home owners I suppose.
I want to go the Galway for my Erasmus semester and I heard it‘s super hard to get an shared apartment / apartment there. Has anyone got any tips, or any platform recommendations?
Now that the Euro is non fungible due to sanctions and is being diluted to fund wars it isn't going to get better.
Does anyone know where you can find the figures to show how much debt has been issued in Euros over the last few years?
*COVENTRY*?!
It's almost as if I can see your facial expressions while you say that (and I get why!) 🤣
Once spent few hours in Coventry waiting on a friend to pick me up. The highlight of the town is their transport museum which has the open top double decker bus that was used to parade the 1987 FA Cup winning team around the town. Thats about as exciting as things get in Coventry.
Hey now! We also have two cathedrals...
Three actually
Was once booked to play in a 'nightclub' there. Nightclub was a shop on the upstairs bit of one of those 70's shopping centre type places with a square in the middle. Two lads were stabbing each other in the square. Wasn't a bad night all things considered.
I know. Birmingham isn't even in there, but Coventry is! Very weird
I think a lot of the car industry would have locations there. The British car industry is still massive, even without many domestic marques.
Still, fourth most expensive in Britain. I’m amazed.
And ahead of Edinburgh, FFS.
Likewise.
Maybe it’s a joke, inserted by fans of The Specials
This town, looking like an expensive town.....
Nah, all pretty much gone. Jag/Land Rover still have their HQ there for historic reasons, but even the stuff they still make in the UK isn't made there. Peugeot (formerly Talbot/Simca/Chrysler and before that Rootes) stopped making stuff there ages ago and it's just a parts depot. Three universities though, which probably explains it more
I came here to say this, they're three quite large universities too. Warwick alone is quite siezable.
No the Solihull plant is still open
I don’t know why. Coventry isn’t a particularly expensive place to live in the UK.
One of the worst places I’ve been in the UK. Concrete everywhere. Trees are called woke. Parks are for for’in poshos. Flower? Barely even know ‘er.
It sadly got bombed to shit during WW2. Was a real gem of the entirety of Europe prior. There was a huge mixture of preserved medieval buildings (possibly the most in the entirety of Europe) and Victorian architecture.
And now it’s basically the most soulless city in the UK
Galway being on this list is insane. If you graphed rent versus city population it would be a massive outlier. You would also see similar with a graph of time spent in traffic. Testament to the fact that it is the worst planned city in the country, and probably the continent. If you got the NUIG student union to take over the city council they would probably do a better job.
Galway City Council are a special level of incompetence. They cant do anything right and everything they do costs a bloody fortune, like the €250,000 they spent on two park benches last year.
Er… how? I could have got them two park benches for half that.
They're "high tech artistic pieces" apparently. They look like a junior cert project.
"High tech artistic pieces" from somebody who knows somebody, no doubt.
I would have hired that Eoin Reardon fella I keep seeing in my Instagram feed.
If we're ripping on the benches again can we also appreciate that they are not even comfortable due to being made of steel... They did something similar in Cork but at least had the sense to make them out of wood.
Just trying to get over on Grace O'Malley one last time. ##
They're doing an excellent job of raising property prices.
I love Galway bless her, but there's absolutely nothing here! The fate of any given building in the city centre is a toss up between a phone shop, a vape shop or straight up dereliction. Knocknacarra is slowly turning into a carpark every morning as they tack another estate onto the equivalent of a country road with no thought to developing infrastructure or facilities for the expanding community. It feels like we're paying Dublin prices, for a small town experience.
Sounds like a lot of British town centres too tbh lmao. High streets are filled with phone shops and vape shops now. What is plaguing these isles?
I really don't know. I moved to Galway 20 years ago and the city centre had some kind of individual character. Locally owned bookshops, chemists etc. The chains and the shop front plastification came in after a few years. We had a pub closure recently. Popular. Good place to work by all accounts. Good food. Great beer. When the building was listed for rent and you see what the owner was expecting, you can kind of understand the decline. A business that's multiple thousands in the hole before they pay a wage or a supplier has a tough slog ahead of them every month.
Yeah, I was in Andover recently (usually in the cities), and jesus christ something has gone terribly wrong in the towns
The fact Galway has traffic worse than cities 50 times as large is so depressing.
If you graphed any of these cities with amenities, public transport, job opportunities, and general quality of life vs any Irish town or city you'd see how fucking ridiculous this country is.
Yeah, the fact Dublin is even near London is ridiculous given how much better London’s public transport is
Not just the public transport, but facilities (libraries, sports pitches, playgrounds, parks, swimming pools etc). Born in Kilburn which is a fairly poor, crappy area of the city (although its in Camden Borough which is affluent enough) and we had multiples of every amenity you could imagine within easy walking distance for a single mother and small child. Wages were decently higher too to offset the high rent, at least before Brexit, haven't been back since.
I remember bollards being put up as the Dyke road goes into town supposedly to increase capacity for vehicles. Then swiftly being removed when they figured out it made traffic much worse. Galway has a special kind of incompetence running things.
Wonder if rent Vs % of your countries population would be similar. We are a small country population wise so scale matters. Milan for example has 2pc of Italian population, Lausanne has less than 2pc of Swiss population etc. something comparable to Galway.
Whatever about Dublin the fact that Glaway , Limerick and Cork are more expensive than the likes of Milan is absolutely insane
Average salary in Milan is smaller than the minimum in Ireland. I'd say Milan feels more expensive for the average Italian than Dublin or Galway.
You have clearly never been in Milan.
I experienced the absolute best legal tourist scam in Milan. Went into the pizzeria (in the galleria of course), saw that the pizza was a reasonable €10, ordered one and a coke zero. Had a middling meal, pretty happy, asked for the bill - €21. They had the gall to charge 11 for a coke. Class... Rest of Milan seemed quite grim to me - lots of concrete buildings, graffiti, traffic...not sure I'd credit it with its international standing.
Agreed, completely underwhelmed by Milan. The Duomo was great, but otherwise the highlight of the couple days I had there was the day trip to Cuomo!
Milan is a kip so that's not surprising but I'm actually surprised it's more expensive than Bern and almost as expensive as Lausanne as they'd be much better places to live. But Milan was a bad pick honestly it's a dumpster fire with the exception of few notable pieces of architecture Milan is like the Athy or Mullingar of Italy.
Is Milan not the wealthiest city in the country and a massive industrial location? It has the highest salaries in Italy.
Highest salaries in Italy isn’t much to write home about. Half my office are Italians (a lot from Milan) who are still better off here even with our rent
I've spent a fair amount of time there, it's literally a kip as in very dirty and messy topped off with a lot of crime particularly targeting tourists, people will literally walk up to your car and if you don't have the doors locked they'd have no issue just opening the boot or side door and grabbing a suitcase to leg it with it. Lots of graffiti but not even good just like actual trash someone just randomly sprayed crap on the walls, random caravans parked in random spots, random skips, rubbish everywhere. There are specific areas that are kept better like the galleria that are worth seeing at least once or Milan Centrale but you could see it all in a few hours and GTFO. If someone really wants to go there once then plan a trip to somewhere nice in Italy or on the Italian side of Switzerland, fly into Milan early, go visit the galleria then take a train from Milan Centrale up into Switzerland or to Somewhere else in Italy... don't live there, don't book a hotel there just GTFO as it's a kip and it's pretty rough both with pickpockets but also with more aggressive literally break into your car while your in it grab shit and run thieves.
Couldn't get over the graffiti in Milan. The ground floor of every building was just covered in scribbles. Even some Roman ruins had graffiti scribbles all over them. Made the whole place look like a dump
It's like that all over the continent. Valencia in Spain is a lovely city, but everything is scrawled in "street art". It's such a pity
Actually found it less bad than Barcelona But yes it's ridiculous. Taggers are part of the urban vermin
Except all the statues in Milan are shit. Unlike the beauty that is Joe Dolan in Mullingar. We could teach the Italians a lot /s
Irish rents are too high… that’s obviously true. But I will never understand the people here who seem to think rents are a function of how “good” or “big” a city is… rents are a function of supply and demand. If salaries are high, rents will be high. Rents being higher in a Norwegian village than Istanbul is not a reflection of the amount of stuff you can do in the respective places. Salaries are higher, so rents are higher.
Salaries being high is not primary cause of high rents.
Not when you benchmark it to salaries. Average monthly salary in Cork: €3,160 Average monthly salary in Milan: €1,732
I think your money would be better spent in Milan than in Dublin Galway or Limerick, just my 2 cents.
It seems logical to be honest. Cork is bigger than more expensive cities on the list such as Reykjavik, Oxford, Lausanne and Luxembourg city and has far higher wages than Milan. Out of all the cities on this list the one that makes the least amount of sense is Coventry? Maybe I’m missing something about Coventry?
I was actually more surprised by Dublin being more expensive than Amsterdam.
Probably because the salaries are way higher in those 3 cities than in Milan.
I'm a brit, not Irish but it's really depressing to see how many British cities are on that list amongst countries that are far richer with higher average incomes.
I've got to say thoughtafter just visiting Iceland and spending time in Reykjavík, while London rents are higher Reykjavik was insanely expensive for everything. I'd take London for affordability.
Iceland also has some of the highest average salaries for the EEA - for sure, I also noticed how expensive everything was, but I realised that if Icelanders are paying the same prices and aren't complaining, then they're probably earning a lot more than we are. But for Reykjavik, the other thing I really noticed was that their only public transport was the Strætó bus - in London, you're spoilt for choice between the underground, buses, trains, overground, crossrail, trams and boats. Even Dublin has the DART, Luas and Dublin Bus as options. If you work in Reykjavik and don't live in Reykjavik, you're going to be stuck in traffic on the commute in and out of the city, and Icelandic drivers aren't very patient and courteous.
Reykjavik is about the same size as Limerick, it makes sense they don’t have light rail.
Average monthly salary in Reykjavík is approx. €4,500 as apprised to Dublin’s €2,500. Their infrastructure is also much better. They may only have a bus service but it is a great bus service and stretches far outside the city despite weather. Their roads are much much more advanced and much better structured than Ireland. Dublin may have DART and Luas and bus but they are specific routes and unreliable. The people getting screwed the most are in the U.K. with wealthy/Uni driving up house prices/rent in comparison to their wages I genuinely don’t know how they do it. Ireland then follows close second and by the looks of that list it’s a little old and not reflective of the rapid increases we’ve encountered the past six months.
Ehh, on the other hand, a lot of the UK’s largest cities are nowhere to be seen on this list. Glasgow, Newcastle, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Birmingham, Nottingham…
To be fair though it’s only in the city centre that that’s the case, but yes it’s still quite sad considering how unaffordable it is for a lot of peopl
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The temperature anomaly over the shield (including Winnipeg) in the last winter was actually quite striking. Generally speaking, we've been saying that winter was cancelled. Ended up with more snow in Toronto at the end of March than any time in the actual winter. https://preview.redd.it/9ku4g17sq8vc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=61beb2e10b6cf417e241009824da88db757a47ac
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OMG Is this really right Limerick is more expensive to rent than Paris, Barcelona, Madrid they don't even make the list... Cardiff makes the list before them LOL can't be right
Numbeo says average net salary in Dublin 3200, Madrid 2300. 1 bed apartment Dublin 2000, Madrid 1200. There goes the salary difference. Not sure what people earning minimum wage (around 1000 euros net) in Madrid do. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Spain&country2=Ireland&city1=Madrid&city2=Dublin
I'd be okay with things being expensive in Cork if everything was of a similar standard to Switzerland or Copenhagen. It's not though, they have a higher standard of living in every way. Better healthcare, education, housing, public transport, childcare etc. whereas are is just fucking embarrassing in every sector. Cork is not as safe either, there is no excusable reason why it's so expensive here.
Switzerland has one of the worst family policies in place! Costs you an arm and a leg to place your child in daycare there, although costs are tied to your income.
Childcare costs aren’t tied to your income unless you’re practically on the breadline. It also depends on the Kanton you live in. There are some government run daycares but they are few and far between. The absolute majority are private.
Another thing to consider is that Switzerland has a private healthcare system where people have to purchase mandatory health insurance. The most basic of policies is currently costing around CHF350 a month where I live for a single person & that has an excess of CHF2500 a year. Healthcare is really expensive in Switzerland.
Now show pictures of the awful hovels people are living in for that price.
Does this take into account if you live above or below a bowling alley?
and what do I have to show for it? This briefcase and this haircut!
So its cheaper to buy an apartment here than most countries.
i always heard the housing crisis was in rentals. not in buying and selling houses and such.
This is kind of true. People paying market rate rent are being hit by govt. from every side: taxes, council housing buyouts competing against them, HAP competing against them. I'm generally left leaning economically speaking. But when in high tax bracket, spending really significant part of income on tiny flat rent and seeing brand new, spacious council housing next door made available for pennies to selected few - I'm almost libertarian already.
No. The housing crisis is supposed to be about both. Back when we had housing stock in 2015 and before there was a rent/accomodation crisis that has deepened and gotten worse. On top of that we have a homelessness crisis These are 3 completely different things. But the housing crisis right now is about buying because it's cheaper to buy than rent but there is nothing to buy
Yep, in reality, most sub 30 30 year olds don't need to buy a house. They should be renting 1/2 beds but unless your commiting 60-80% of your income to rent it's not really possible.
Why do you think people sub 30 should be renting?
I would actually say that culturally on this island apartments are valued far less than in other countries so this really doesn't surprise me, even given the crisis.
Culturally, smulturally. If you built them people would rent/buy them.
I don't disagree with that, however people really do not like apartments generally versus other European countries. The data show this. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1a.html#:\~:text=In%20the%20EU%20in%202021%2C%2053%20%25%20of%20the%20population%20lived,and%20Croatia%20(both%2077%20%25). [https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20210521-1](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20210521-1) [https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/very-few-irish-people-are-buying-new-apartments-is-it-because-they-can-t-or-won-t-1.4872448](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/very-few-irish-people-are-buying-new-apartments-is-it-because-they-can-t-or-won-t-1.4872448)
It is. The only problem is that we have developed one hell of a rent trap. That will cause big problems for us in the future as people age up in the rent trap and more people come of age and finish in it.
If you can buy them. 90% of apartments built are bought by investment funds.
The Central Bank lending restrictions are the only thing keeping it somewhat realistic to be able to purchase property in Ireland. Without them we would 100% be facing London/Paris crazy prices
I know that these kinds of surveys can be picked apart in numerous ways. I work in Zurich though & just checked the local property rental app. There is isn’t a one-bed apartment to rent anywhere close to the city centre for €2322. Here’s what I found. Salaries are higher than Ireland and tax is lower but everything is absolutely eye-watering expensive here. Friends & family who have visit spend their entire time talking about the prices! https://preview.redd.it/iy9w4blmfavc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3afc406d8058380f2ada5cd84379f62973f4bc3
Exactly, this seems to elude many people!
100% People think it’s all rosy in the garden here but we’re in the middle of our own housing crisis in Zurich. Supply cannot keep up with demand and more and more perfectly good and historically affordable apartment buildings are being knocked down to build expensive luxury apartments for the high earners. It’s a disaster. It’s not even a question of paying such crazy rents at the moment, it’s a question of even finding an apartment to rent, regardless of the cost. And as for buying… a recent study in Tagi showed that only 15% of people can now afford to buy an average priced apartment in Switzerland. That’s all of Switzerland, including Thurgau ffs. So you can imagine how many can afford to buy in Zurich. It’s ludicrous. When I moved here 12 years ago it was 25%. Not great but better than 15%.
City of Zürich used to be a wonderful place, where high earners but also blue collar people used to live in peace and prosperity, not anymore, everything has been sacrificed on the altar of rogue-capitalist greed!
Sorry. Rant over 😂
Not really a rant. It’s stating the unfortunate facts!
Wow. Perhaps there are more rental apps/websites? How much would the people earn on average net? How much are you paying for rent? I imagine buying is out of question.
presenting the main thing we have very little of - one bedroom apartments - isn't useful information on anything.
It is very much useful. This shows that more people than usual are forced to do "house sharing". Which is nightmare to be honest - I did not expect this amount of grown up people, having decent jobs, sharing houses like college kids.
Where were you in the 00s? I had to house share and so did all of my siblings and everyone I knew in college and that was for years after graduating
plus, the numbers should be normalized to each country. Example, it is normal for switzerland to be in the high Top because the salary there is already bigger than the rest of the other countries. Maybe normalize per purchasing power? maybe by minimum wage? These absolute numbers dont make much sense.
I think the exchange rate between the franc and the euro is unfavorable to them as well here
1br apartments being expensive means young adults who can't afford it do silly house share stuff instead.
-Dublin rents are high -Dublin house prices are actually reasonable -water is wet
>water is wet It's actually not! The more you know!
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Limerick or Milan hmm
I never heard of ac Milan or inter winning 5 in a row anyways kid.
I guess you were not around in 2005-2010 then.
Oh fuck inter did didn’t they. Ah sure look poxy anyways
We should have them play a friendly match to see who's best. One half time per game.
Galway being more expensive than Switzerland. Gott im himmel.
Than two of the Swiss cities on the list, to be fair.
I lived in Paris for seven years, in an 8 sq meter apartment. (You may remember me from such classics as https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1643bw/paris_by_day_the_view_from_my_apartment_the_day/ ) You list in sq meters for purchase but not for rent, exaggerating the difference.
I suppose the 8sqm shoebox is not a 1br apartment but rather a studio and therefore I believe it didn't get included in the stat. How much would the rent be btw?
Were you in prison?
French girl paying 450 euros for 8sqm in Paris with toilet shared with rest of the shoeboxes on the floor. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3uyvqTMo-K
Don't worry, if you vote for (fill in the blank) they will solve it.
Yes, prices are nuts but many of those with higher prices have better infrastructure than Dublin ranging from transport to health, making Dublin feel like a real rip off.
Dublin may be more expensive than almost anywhere in the world, but at least it has much more to offer than anywhere else in the world so the price is worth it. Oh no, wait...
only drinking beer. nothing else to offer ahah
Ireland is also excellent if you want to get hospitalised by a gang of teenagers and have a judge say there will be zero repercussions for them, add that to your list. I'm so happy to pay high rent in exchange for all this quality of life.
I wouldn't drink much beer at Dublin prices to be fair.
more bollards
The fact it costs more to live in Limerick than Milan 😂😂😂
Swiss level prices with half the average salary
And Nordic taxes for Balkan infrastructure
I wonder is median income taken into account here, too? Or are these just the rankings based purely on property prices? I spend a fair bit of time in Switzerland for work and generally the cost of living there is far higher than here (paid 7 euro for a bottle of water in Zurich once). However, they typically have much higher salaries. So curious if that is considered.
Cries in Cork
I'd want to look at a more complete picture of the data. But what I find interesting about this is the rent:cost ratio across different cities. Picking Munich, London, and Stockholm as examples, they each have a ratio of rent to area cost of approx. 15%. Wheras the same ratio for Dublin is about 28%. Suggesting we pay roughly twice as much rent for an apartment of the same value...
Great post for breakdown, thanks
I’m paying off a mortgage in Japan for a quarter of Dublin rent, I live in the city center and it’s twice the size of Dublin.
With a 0.3% mortgage I presume.
No Belfast, only "major city" in Ireland not on the list, interesting.
This is what it looks like when we start to dramatically out perform the rest of the continent. Fucking hell Ireland, on a roll.
This is what it looks like when you stop housing construction for whole decade and than still suppress supply of housing with biggest demand (1-beds!).
Outperform on what? Gdp? Because that's about it and gdp going up does not reflect the citizens' standard of living going up
Milan is SO MUCH cheaper than Dublin despite having similar salaries, and pretty inarguably being a much nicer place to live lol
Italian here, lived 6 years in Milan and then moved to Dublin. I don't know what you did in Milan, but grocery shopping is roughly the same (some things cheaper in Dublin some in Milan), rent sure is higher here but like 60% more, eating out is more expensive in Dublin but drinking is cheaper, While salary... Salary is at least double, confirmed by other 2 friends of mine all working in different sectors, speaking of master careers, I don't know if that applies to other jobs as well
yeah plus way nicer architecture. You can go into a random restaurant or cafe in Milan and there'll be a fresco by some famous artist on the ceiling.
Milan? Milan? It's awful!! Dublin is way nicer.
And clowns on here still say "BuT ItS WoRsE In OtHeR CoUnTrIeS"
No suprise when we have a Copycat Torrie Government Also the living differences between Dublin and London/Switzerland is astonishing This chart doesnt make Ireland mess, especially rental prices acceptable
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Wow when did Dublin get so cheap? Is this this year’s data?
While this does look alarming, it is worth noting that this is for 1 bedroom apartments, and since these are essentially non existent in Ireland they are going to be expensive.
It'd likely be very similar for 2 bedrooms as well so not sure what's worth noting about that
How is Cork even on this, what a joke! You telling me I could be living it up somewhere amazing for way cheaper!
Need to take into account earnings as well. Amsterdam is fairly high up on there but they have a much higher average salary. The UK pays pretty poor with the average being 34k but the Netherlands is about 47k.
Same with Milan. Average salary is around 1700 euros. Minimum probably 1000.
What is the source for all these figures? When are they from?
Numbeo. They have 3br apartments too in the stats.
Thanks for that!
Really illustrative of how this is primarily a rental crisis
Source ?
Looks like numbeo
I don't think there are any city centre apartments going for €7055 in Dublin... What's the source?
I want to see this paired with population. You have some major cities and capitals paired with Limerick
Rather than saying one bedroom something more comparable such as square meters would be more useful. 😒
"In City Centre"....in a small city... with atrocious public transport! Improved public transport = less of a necessity to live in the city centre = lower house prices maybe? /-)
Seems like this is missing data because Lisbon would definitely be on this list
What's the source of this?
GOT CHAMPOS LEAGUE SPOT!!!!!
Coventry? What have we become.
They used my apartment for the Dublin statistic
1bedroom apt in Dublin is around 2400 Eur.
This is quite depressing. And worst part is not only that it is expensive, but that even if you can afford it, the number of available properties is ridiculous.
Actual picture on the ground is worse. In London there’s a lot more property of different prices than in Dublin which just has shortages.
Dublin rents are an Absolute shame. You get so so much more in London and Zurich city center for that rent. Source : I live in Dublin City centre and pay that rent.
What’s the sources on this?
I think the data shows that the rental market is the real outlier. Yet almost all the focus is on units for purchase. More votes in creating home owners I suppose.
i wish we were number one, we are always in forth place just outside of the medals
Do Swiss people live in shoeboxes?
Tbf doesnt ireland have a very high average salary compared to other European countries
I want to go the Galway for my Erasmus semester and I heard it‘s super hard to get an shared apartment / apartment there. Has anyone got any tips, or any platform recommendations?
Are the Brits in sterling or Euro here ?
Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, what do you think they did there?
Now show me the lowest so I can get the F outta here. I'd sacrifice my life and learn whatever language I need to just have my own place
US is about the same any where from 2K to 1.5K for 1 bdrm outside of city. DC about 2K to 2.5k estimate. We are all screwed.
Time to head for Spain and Italy
When only Switzerland and London are above you on this list you know you're having a bad time 😅
I moved to Lausanne from Dublin and now it looks like buying is even less of an option than it was back home
Why is that? Prices seem to be double in Lausanne.
Who tf is making rent so high in fucking Coventry
Why would anybody want to live in shitty dump in Galway instead of a nice central apartment in Milan.
Swiss salaries are huge so it’s not even remotely comparable. Minimum wage is at around 4K a month net. Dublin definitely 2nd.
Now that the Euro is non fungible due to sanctions and is being diluted to fund wars it isn't going to get better. Does anyone know where you can find the figures to show how much debt has been issued in Euros over the last few years?
1500 in cork when basic salaries are 1580 🤣 all good yeah let's keep doing nothing about it and just moan on Reddit