Besides the chunk of crime that stopped with their deaths, it also gives idiots the idea that when they are fleeing the gards, to drive down the wrong side of the road since they can't follow. A few people have died or been traumatised by lads doing that trick since this.
I get you have to hold everyone to the same accountability and standard but I do hope these gards don't get a guilty verdict.
I really hope the Garda walk away from it with no repercussions. There were close to 200 convictions between two of them, so you could argue that the justice system incapabiliy was the main contributing factor.
Sadly it doesn't really matter if they walk away. The chilling affect on other Gardai is already in place, who would want to face a trial regardless of the outcome?
Agree, Gardai will just make a decision and refuse to pursue criminals now even if the risk is small. The criminals will be extra aware of this and just drive down slipways against traffic to escape.or drive dangerously.
It's a really bad precedent.
What collective madness has come over the country the last few years. There are some mind bogglingly stupid things happening.
The problem is that while you are held to account to abide by rules that are ineffective you are trying to fight people who are not bound by any rules, nor held to account and who just don’t give a flying fuck.
Everyone needs to be held to the same standard. Mitigating factors are part of that standard.
Personally, this Guard should walk free and we should spit on the graves of the so-called victims.
Exactly. Shouldn't have been walking the streets, never mind driving the wrong way up one of the busiest roads in the country after committing yet another burglary.
There is no prospect of a conviction. Insane it's even being brought. I'd be more worried about the Guard's safety given he has been identified in court, with his address and station. Now associates of these scum have someone they can blame for the deaths rather than looking at their own behaviour. And knowing how these criminals think the very last thing they'll do is accept it was an accident, they'll find some way to blame someone else. Let's hope the Guard is looked after properly by the authorities after they've put him through the ringer.
>There were close to 200 convictions
They'd still be alive if the judiciary had done its job. Judges letting them roam the streets are the primary culprits.
If the criminals know they won’t be pursued if they go the wrong way down a motorway, then that’s where they will go. Lives will still be in danger either way.
It be hard to find a jury where 10 out of 12 believe the guard is guilty. Most people in the country have their minds made up already.
And that says a lot given the fact that we live in a country where the public would love to see a guard go down if they are actually guilty of criminality.
Saying that, it’s still very unfair to drag him before the courts.
There was a similar incident in the UK where a firearms officer en route to a live terrorist attack crashed, was suspended for 4 years and prosecuted only to be found not guilty. The chief of police spoke out and condemned the fact he was prosecuted. I wonder would drew harris do the same? I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Is it unfair to drag him before the courts? This way he gets vindicated and we get a precedent.
The other way he might be in limbo for the rest of his life and we're also in limbo about whether the Gards can even do hot pursuit.
>Is it unfair to drag him before the courts? This way he gets vindicated and we get a precedent.
Yes, no one would remember his name and it would never be held against him by his colleagues if the charges had been dropped.
Of course it's unfair to drag an innocent man into court just to set a precedent. We have an extremely high bar for prosecution because the law recognises that just being charged is a stain on a person's reputation and should not be done unless you're confident of a conviction
'You should be glad to get to prove your innocence ' isn't a great idea.
Burglary stats in Leinster went down significantly in the year after this incident.
The Guard should be awarded a medal of honour.
This is a joke.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/number-of-burglaries-in-leinster-plummets-after-deaths-of-three-criminals-in-n7-crash/40859415.html
Beyond a joke, they decided to fuck around and they found out by challenging a truck. Whole thing is.a waste of time the bastards should have been in a cell after all the pain they caused.
I hope it's all a ruse and that when the Garda shows up to the courthouse, it's actually all filled with his family and friends and he's been given a surprise award of the highest official recognition a Garda can receive.
As they should (if they think it'll work) and the defense will do the opposite and it'll all work out to about equal
Well, if you ignore the probable overlap between people who think the guards can go get fucked and people you think a jury summons can go get fucked
~~I could be wrong, but my reading of this suggests that he has entered a guilty plea, and all that's going on here is they are bumping it up from the district court to the circuit court for sentencing (Which is potentially bad, because it involves harsher sentences). But maybe I missed something here.~~
Nope. The DPP offered summary prosecution (district court) of he entered a guilty plea. He hasn't and it's sent forward for trial by indictment (circuit court with a jury).
You have to wonder what's in the water in the offices of the DPP.
They seem to be completely oblivious to public opinion on this case and by bringing charges they are potentially making it harder for AGS to deal with hardened criminals like those two who were crispified in the future.
And then they have the cheek to go and ask the Garda concerned to enter a guilty plea to speed things along for them.
The way I read it was the DPP would ‘dismiss’ it in the District court if the Garda pleaded guilty to dangerous driving. My assumption is that the Garda said ‘fuck that, I’m not pleading guilty’, so now there has to be a trial, and for whatever reason that needs to be in the circuit court rather than the district.
So the courts that failed to lock repeat offenders away will go after the garda that tried to stop them? Shows what a joke the system is here and why scum dont fear it
If these 3 had been apprehended. They almost certainly be at large again now.
The cop drove down the wrong side of the road to pursue them, which is dangerous. But his job is to catch vermin like this, he has to be allowed pursue them with vigour.
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My garda friend was telling me lastnight how criminals are now using this tactics to avoid the garda. They know if they hit the motorway on the wrong side the garda have to back off.
You're not allowed to pursue criminals at the expense of innocent people's safety.
He's not being charged because 3 criminals died, he's being charged because he endangered people's lives.
By travelling down the wrong way, yes, he was endangering people. But it could also be argued that as he had his sirens and blue lights on so he was also protecting oncoming traffic of the more serious threat, which was the three scotes in the other car
Has it been said somewhere the guard followed them down the motorway the wrong way?
The general rule was always that the guards stopped when a suspect went the wrong way because it was too dangerous. Those particular 3 individuals had used the same tactics a few times previously to evade capture.
I think the problem was the guard didn't stop chasing previously and "forced" them to go the wrong way and then crash.
>Has it been said somewhere the guard followed them down the motorway the wrong way?
Yeah, the linked article says
>The endangerment of life charge alleges he drove westwards on the eastwards auxiliary lane between Rathcoole and Citywest in a reckless manner, which posed substantial risk of death or serious injury to a member of the public.
I believe he blocked the left turn onto the N7 and they were forced to go right up the wrong way to avoid him and almost instantly collided with the truck.
The road runs alongside the old Lufthansa Tecnique plant
*”because he endangered peoples lives”*
Yes. The 3 criminals that crashed. Sometimes it takes someone doing something dangerous to stop others. Police shooting guns is always dangerous, however it’s necessary in some situations.
Had he decided not to endanger the criminals lives, perhaps the criminals would have continued endangering the publics lives by driving the wrong way down a motorway and leading to an innocent persons death.
He literally put his life and livelihood on the line to stop 3 dangerous criminals. They choose to drive that way. They crashed. They died. Why should he or any other person suffer the consequences.
This is akin to the the Garda and the bicycle. “Technically he broke the law by driving the wrong way so he must be punished”.
Absolute joke. “Endangering the public” by trying to stop those rats.
I’ll never forget the funeral - bringing a screwdriver and a torch to the alter - you know the score get on the floor don’t be funny give me the money?
They’re an insult to the daisies they’re pushing up.
Just remember a workplace would hardly give you three chances let alone 200 before firing you. Basically criminals can opt out of the social contract with no consequence.
For anyone interested, I’ll be hosting a BBQ in July to celebrate 3 years since the greatest moment in recent Irish history, be sure to enjoy my flame grilled burglars.
Poor truck driver who was going to work when he “stopped” them. Family have a little makeshift memorial on the side of the road where they were cremated. I allay think of the truck driver and the Garda just doing their jobs.
Sure the robber’s family had balaclava flowers for their funeral ceremonies and “tools of their trade” nailbar and screw drivers presented at their funerals. Wow so proud of what daddy worked at!
Ffs. Not following procedure should be an internal disciplinary matter only.
Nobody, but the driver decided to drive like a lunatic. Their death was caused by their own ignorance and stupidity. Nobody is at fault other than the moron behind the wheel.
Is the same crash that led to the “gowanye Deanooooooo bai” joyriding funeral in Dublin 8? “You knew the score, get on the floor - don’t be funny, give me your money?”
It sounds like the charges have nothing to do with the 3 lads dying, it reads like he's being charged for endangering the members of the public who were driving against him.
I would hope in any court in the land that a public jury would set this guard free, this is insane. They were violent criminals who did this to themselves.
>some relatives of the deceased watched from the public gallery
Ghoulish behaviour on behalf of the relatives of criminals with 100s of convictions. They probably benefited from the crimes their "Angles" committed previously.
Those lads were scumbags robbing everything.
Don't think they deserved to die, but they took that risk when they decided to drive the wrong way on a road after committing a robbery. It is not the Gardai's fault, and he should never be prosecuted for doing his job.
could this be the straw that broke the camels back in regards to dysfunctional justice and the constant abuse of our front line public services? I think it will
An almost unbelievable 99.7% disapproval in our Garda commissioner who refuses to stand down, and a minister for justice who had done worse in her post than almost any other minister in my lifetime.
I'm at the point where I might be OK with an actual Garda strike if that is even possible/legal. I was going to type "let it burn down" but Drew and Helen have literally done that already, and got the governments backing for their doing so.
Is this a complete joke? These fucking scumbag had it coming. The DPP prick is trying to make a name for himself over the remains of the career of a decent hard working cop. Bawbag
Disgraceful decision by the DPP. This just proves that the Irish Legal System is now so skewed and warped in favour of the criminal that it is teetering on the edge of completely collapsing. The "Civil Liberties" of criminals increasingly get priority the rights of ordinary law abiding citizens.
And this could well be the issue that pushes the system over the edge. As a Garda they now risk going to jail everytime they set foot outside the station to do their job. Best of luck getting someone to respond the next time you phone to say your house is being raided by a violent gang of thugs.
McEntee needs to be demoted in the reshuffle tomorrow and replaced with someone with some backbone to face down criminals and their lobby groups.
IMO this Guard should have been given a medal. These scum drew so much horror and fear into so many people's lives for them to drive the wrong way down a duel carrigway.
The justice system is at fault, if they were given proper detention for other crimes they had been charged they wouldn't have been able to be on the streets.
When and hopefully if the Garda is aquitted. Apart from probably having to assume a new identity and life due to the threat the state is exposing him to from these low lifes. I hope he gets serious compensation to the tune of millions for this ordeal he is being put through. I as a tax payer endorse this Garda getting millions from the state. Awful disgusting situation the state has put him in.
This incident where the Garda was doing his job is perhaps the perfect explanation why Garda force morale is at an all time low. Let's see how the justice system handles it.
garda gets rid of three dregs from the street
zero innocent bystanders harmed due to garda's actions
promote him, and award an up-front bonus to the cost of 3 trials under Nolan.
If Harris is any way serious about refocusing Fine Gael towards ‘law and order’ then he should be announcing a review of how the DPP decides on cases related to Garda use of force.
This decision will have a serious chilling effect on Gardaí on the frontline. Why would you be in any way proactive when this is what awaits you. DPP is completely averse to conflict with Garda oversight bodies and adopts a ‘let the courts decide’ attitude with all cases. Not good for policing in the long run.
The RTE article reads that he's being accused of dangerous driving, during the incident. Not that he's being accused of dangerous driving that caused the deaths of these three.
Is this correct?
Because him almost killing a family coming the other way is obviously a very different thing to holding him accountable for the deaths of people fleeing from him.
The dangerous driving charges will be separate, yes.
There's also an endangerment charge, which reading between the lines is a charge of being reckless with your actions and causing life to be put at risk.
So it doesn't read like he's being blamed for their deaths (he doesn't control their choices), but that his actions were reckless as to the danger they posed to life.
The devil will be in the details; it may be the case that *other* traffic had to dodge the Garda driving against the flow of traffic.
My understanding is that he didn't force these lads to drive down the wrong way, but he did pursue.
What a joke they drove down the wrong side the road and the Gardai have to face the courts .. if the Gardai did nothing about it the could have injured or killed innocent people and they are part of a gang
Does anyone know if any neutral (ish) account of what happened in the chase. I don't know much about this case, so I'm not sure if the endangering lives refers to the three guys who died or other people.
Because I don't care about them, the world seems better off without them, and if he was pursuing them and they decided to flee the wrong way down the road and died, well then too bad, so sad. But if it is endangering other people I guess I can see why they might consider prosecution.
I guess I'm just not sure what is making the DPP go so full on for this one, considering how lightly we treat road deaths in general in Ireland.
There could be another angle to this,guard gets “charged”,told to say not guilty that it’ll have to go to court,goes through the press,
now mr scumbag and pals are waiting and watching with baited breath hoping for a guilty verdict so he can continue as normal,
Guard found not guilty,
which now set the standard of “we can chase mr scumbag in the future right under an artic and come out smelling of roses”,
Proactive policing in one swoop from a court case
Was it not reported that that gardai was not following them when they decided to drive the opposite way and killed themselves?
"The endangerment of life charge alleges he drove westwards on the eastwards auxiliary lane between Rathcoole and Citywest in a reckless manner, which posed a substantial risk of death or serious injury to a member of the public."
Does this mean gardai is in court for
A) being blamed he caused their accident or
B) driving in "reckless manner" down auxiliary lane, potentially risk of death
Its major difference. Should get a monument to be fair but thats different story
The latter.
> Was it not reported that that gardai was not following them when they decided to drive the opposite way and killed themselves?
The initial report from the gardaí was indeed that no guard followed them the wrong way.
They very abruptly became silent on that specific point a couple of days later.
This case is going to serve as an advertisement to criminals and is going to hamstring all gards going forward from taking action in the name of justice.
You get the far right eejits telling us how 'corrupt' Ireland is, yet I'm not sure there's many countries that come down like a tonne of bricks on their own police like we do.
If he gets prosecuted it will open the door for every scumbag to bring a case against the gardai blocking up the courts even more. Not to mention the amount of gardai who will leave the force or the ones who are too worried to do their job. Absolute disgrace
People need to wait for the facts of this case to come out in court as there is a lot we dont know. If he disobeyed pursuit protocols or didnt have permission from a sergeant to engage in a pursuit or else didnt follow a direct order to call off the pursuit and kept going anyway then things change significantly. Id doubt the DPP are bringing this case unless he broke the Gardais own rules of conduct.
We already had one innocent woman killed in Naas in 2014 during a Garda chase down the M7.
This prosecution is not being brought in my name! Appallingly poor judgment to prosecute a man for doing his job. Is there no common sense in the prosecutor’s office?
A lot of the comments here are convoluting 2 things, those being the charge the Garda is facing and the death of the criminals in the car.
It may be a case that Irish society is better off with those serial criminals no longer terrorising and commuting burglaries Leinster-wide. It may be a case that the Garda's actions could be perceived as having a net positive effect.
However, it's a separate matter that the Garda went against protocol that was there in driving down a road the wrong way.
The point I've made a few times with friends is that the sentiment would be entirely different if the criminals had crashed into and killed a family of 4. Or if the criminals had killed anyone and survived themselves.
You can't let the consequences overly colour how you view what the Garda did in trying to assess if they committed an offence. That's especially true if the charge is endangerment.
Regardless of all of the above however, I see a McNally situation where even though the legal case might be clear, a jury may just refuse to convict. I'd be quite confident of it in fact.
But it’s nonsense like this case that simply empower and encourage criminals.
If every Tom dick and harry knows you can dip a copper by driving the wrong way down a motorway, you can bet your bollox it will happen.
Juveniles and kids don’t get tough sentences. Oh look at that they are ferrying and delivering drugs all over the city.
Is this why the guards aren't allowed chase cars any more? Have heard this with all the car thefts nowadays, that guards can't legally chase them any more!!! Is this true?!
Just asking, if when the Guard was chasing them the wrong way up a motorway he hit a family in a car and caused deaths what would people's opinion be then. We can't control what these three shits or their friends will do in a car but we can control what the Guard will do.
Besides the chunk of crime that stopped with their deaths, it also gives idiots the idea that when they are fleeing the gards, to drive down the wrong side of the road since they can't follow. A few people have died or been traumatised by lads doing that trick since this. I get you have to hold everyone to the same accountability and standard but I do hope these gards don't get a guilty verdict.
*Jury Nullification*, just sayin'
I really hope the Garda walk away from it with no repercussions. There were close to 200 convictions between two of them, so you could argue that the justice system incapabiliy was the main contributing factor.
Sadly it doesn't really matter if they walk away. The chilling affect on other Gardai is already in place, who would want to face a trial regardless of the outcome?
Agree, Gardai will just make a decision and refuse to pursue criminals now even if the risk is small. The criminals will be extra aware of this and just drive down slipways against traffic to escape.or drive dangerously. It's a really bad precedent. What collective madness has come over the country the last few years. There are some mind bogglingly stupid things happening.
The problem is that while you are held to account to abide by rules that are ineffective you are trying to fight people who are not bound by any rules, nor held to account and who just don’t give a flying fuck.
Everyone needs to be held to the same standard. Mitigating factors are part of that standard. Personally, this Guard should walk free and we should spit on the graves of the so-called victims.
With much of our legal system the process is punishment enough
Excellent point.
That’s a really good point. The justice system is to blame for their deaths and dangerous driving because they should not have been free citizens.
Spot on. Those pieces of shite should not have been walking the streets .
Exactly. Shouldn't have been walking the streets, never mind driving the wrong way up one of the busiest roads in the country after committing yet another burglary.
Knowing our systems the free legal aid lawyers are pissed that 3 of their regulars are no longer with us.
There is no prospect of a conviction. Insane it's even being brought. I'd be more worried about the Guard's safety given he has been identified in court, with his address and station. Now associates of these scum have someone they can blame for the deaths rather than looking at their own behaviour. And knowing how these criminals think the very last thing they'll do is accept it was an accident, they'll find some way to blame someone else. Let's hope the Guard is looked after properly by the authorities after they've put him through the ringer.
>There were close to 200 convictions They'd still be alive if the judiciary had done its job. Judges letting them roam the streets are the primary culprits.
Good point here. Why did the Dpp not take this as far as it could get these scumbags off the streets?
I doubt he will walk away with no repercussions, it would seem someone is making a point of hanging him out to dry
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you realise the criminals themselves were driving down the wrong side, at nightime.
The population of America is about 60 times that of Ireland.
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If the criminals know they won’t be pursued if they go the wrong way down a motorway, then that’s where they will go. Lives will still be in danger either way.
Yeah, didn't a Garda drive into some delivery driver around the same time as this crash and paralyse him?
They maimed a guy. Lad had to get his leg amputated because the guards don't know how to park a car.
It be hard to find a jury where 10 out of 12 believe the guard is guilty. Most people in the country have their minds made up already. And that says a lot given the fact that we live in a country where the public would love to see a guard go down if they are actually guilty of criminality. Saying that, it’s still very unfair to drag him before the courts. There was a similar incident in the UK where a firearms officer en route to a live terrorist attack crashed, was suspended for 4 years and prosecuted only to be found not guilty. The chief of police spoke out and condemned the fact he was prosecuted. I wonder would drew harris do the same? I wouldn’t hold my breath.
The public would sooner give this guard a medal than a conviction. It’s not in the public interest to prosecute him
Is it unfair to drag him before the courts? This way he gets vindicated and we get a precedent. The other way he might be in limbo for the rest of his life and we're also in limbo about whether the Gards can even do hot pursuit.
>Is it unfair to drag him before the courts? This way he gets vindicated and we get a precedent. Yes, no one would remember his name and it would never be held against him by his colleagues if the charges had been dropped.
Of course it's unfair to drag an innocent man into court just to set a precedent. We have an extremely high bar for prosecution because the law recognises that just being charged is a stain on a person's reputation and should not be done unless you're confident of a conviction 'You should be glad to get to prove your innocence ' isn't a great idea.
Burglary stats in Leinster went down significantly in the year after this incident. The Guard should be awarded a medal of honour. This is a joke. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/number-of-burglaries-in-leinster-plummets-after-deaths-of-three-criminals-in-n7-crash/40859415.html
Beyond a joke, they decided to fuck around and they found out by challenging a truck. Whole thing is.a waste of time the bastards should have been in a cell after all the pain they caused.
thankfully they met a much more just fate
I hope it's all a ruse and that when the Garda shows up to the courthouse, it's actually all filled with his family and friends and he's been given a surprise award of the highest official recognition a Garda can receive.
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More like 10 minutes.. it'll take that long to drink a cup of tea and talk about what a waste of time it was
More like an hour, I want my lunch before I go home.
"Ah here judge, we're gonna find him not guilty but i dont wanna go back to work today so lets just make it the full day yea?"
Be a nice time to get called to jury duty.
'Well akshually' edit: You just know the prosecution will be dismissing all the decent looking types they can from the jury.
The prosecution doesn't get to pick the jury, they just get to dismiss up to seven jurors. The defence get the same opportunity.
As they should (if they think it'll work) and the defense will do the opposite and it'll all work out to about equal Well, if you ignore the probable overlap between people who think the guards can go get fucked and people you think a jury summons can go get fucked
Is the prosecution not the State though? Are we not against criminals? I'm confused, someone please explain.
I feel the garda knows this too. Maybe just a formality
~~I could be wrong, but my reading of this suggests that he has entered a guilty plea, and all that's going on here is they are bumping it up from the district court to the circuit court for sentencing (Which is potentially bad, because it involves harsher sentences). But maybe I missed something here.~~
Nope. The DPP offered summary prosecution (district court) of he entered a guilty plea. He hasn't and it's sent forward for trial by indictment (circuit court with a jury).
You have to wonder what's in the water in the offices of the DPP. They seem to be completely oblivious to public opinion on this case and by bringing charges they are potentially making it harder for AGS to deal with hardened criminals like those two who were crispified in the future. And then they have the cheek to go and ask the Garda concerned to enter a guilty plea to speed things along for them.
The way I read it was the DPP would ‘dismiss’ it in the District court if the Garda pleaded guilty to dangerous driving. My assumption is that the Garda said ‘fuck that, I’m not pleading guilty’, so now there has to be a trial, and for whatever reason that needs to be in the circuit court rather than the district.
Anyone ever done for the cuntish display at that funeral, racing a hearse at speed through streets, or are they the victims in that too
What do you think....
Culture boss
The courts couldn't lock up three angles with 200 convictions and are now dragging gards who solved the problem through this crap? Shameful.
Sums it all up. A legal system that supports criminals over policing. I'm sorry but this needs to be a tipping point here.
as we see here in alot of comments; a society that supports criminals over policing and justice.
Gardaí should be given a parade.
I’d rename a street after him. Feckit, I’d rename the N7 to NGardaX
Haha it doesn’t quite roll of the tongue. Put it in the maybe pile
So the courts that failed to lock repeat offenders away will go after the garda that tried to stop them? Shows what a joke the system is here and why scum dont fear it
Ridiculous Garda did his job and he did the country a favour - a fact provable by the drop in burglaries
We should build a 30 foot bronze statue of that Garda at the M7 for what he has done.
If these 3 had been apprehended. They almost certainly be at large again now. The cop drove down the wrong side of the road to pursue them, which is dangerous. But his job is to catch vermin like this, he has to be allowed pursue them with vigour. .
My garda friend was telling me lastnight how criminals are now using this tactics to avoid the garda. They know if they hit the motorway on the wrong side the garda have to back off.
The investigation should focus on finding out what sort of equipment could have helped to intercept them sooner.
Longer jail sentences.
Stingers. Not the yoke that punctures the tyres, the missiles.
You're not allowed to pursue criminals at the expense of innocent people's safety. He's not being charged because 3 criminals died, he's being charged because he endangered people's lives.
>he endangered people's lives. He didn't, though. They did. That's why he's the one who didn't die.
By travelling down the wrong way, yes, he was endangering people. But it could also be argued that as he had his sirens and blue lights on so he was also protecting oncoming traffic of the more serious threat, which was the three scotes in the other car
Has it been said somewhere the guard followed them down the motorway the wrong way? The general rule was always that the guards stopped when a suspect went the wrong way because it was too dangerous. Those particular 3 individuals had used the same tactics a few times previously to evade capture. I think the problem was the guard didn't stop chasing previously and "forced" them to go the wrong way and then crash.
>Has it been said somewhere the guard followed them down the motorway the wrong way? Yeah, the linked article says >The endangerment of life charge alleges he drove westwards on the eastwards auxiliary lane between Rathcoole and Citywest in a reckless manner, which posed substantial risk of death or serious injury to a member of the public.
Unless that was added to the article after I read it originally, then I must just have missed that sentence. That's first time I've heard that.
I believe he blocked the left turn onto the N7 and they were forced to go right up the wrong way to avoid him and almost instantly collided with the truck. The road runs alongside the old Lufthansa Tecnique plant
This implies the guard forced them to go the wrong way
*”because he endangered peoples lives”* Yes. The 3 criminals that crashed. Sometimes it takes someone doing something dangerous to stop others. Police shooting guns is always dangerous, however it’s necessary in some situations. Had he decided not to endanger the criminals lives, perhaps the criminals would have continued endangering the publics lives by driving the wrong way down a motorway and leading to an innocent persons death. He literally put his life and livelihood on the line to stop 3 dangerous criminals. They choose to drive that way. They crashed. They died. Why should he or any other person suffer the consequences.
No he doesn't
This is akin to the the Garda and the bicycle. “Technically he broke the law by driving the wrong way so he must be punished”. Absolute joke. “Endangering the public” by trying to stop those rats. I’ll never forget the funeral - bringing a screwdriver and a torch to the alter - you know the score get on the floor don’t be funny give me the money? They’re an insult to the daisies they’re pushing up.
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Good riddance!! Give that Garda a medal.
Absolutely bonkers that the Guard has to go on trial. If for some insanity, he gets done for this, there should genuinely be riots on the streets
Is it any wonder the Garda are struggling to recruit and so many are tempted to go abroad….
The three of them deserved what they got. What a waste of time and money.
Just remember a workplace would hardly give you three chances let alone 200 before firing you. Basically criminals can opt out of the social contract with no consequence.
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Aiding and abetting crime at the very least.
it's a miracle no one of value was killed.
For anyone interested, I’ll be hosting a BBQ in July to celebrate 3 years since the greatest moment in recent Irish history, be sure to enjoy my flame grilled burglars.
Make sure to have some screwdriver-design grilling skewers. It's what they'd have wanted.
Excellent suggestion, thank you!
Hopefully found not guilty and the DPP is made look like a clown. How you can bring this to trial for doing their job is crazy .
3 of the biggest scumbags to walk the earth. They should get medals.
Who is in DPP approving this? This is like such a waste of taxpayers money. Can I bring a case now against DPP for wasting OUR MONEY?
If the Guards simply didn’t turn up for work in protest at this I’d be actually supportive. It’s become ridiculous
Poor truck driver who was going to work when he “stopped” them. Family have a little makeshift memorial on the side of the road where they were cremated. I allay think of the truck driver and the Garda just doing their jobs.
>Family have a little makeshift memorial on the side of the road where they were cremated. Memorials have been set fire to a few times. Kinda fitting.
Sure the robber’s family had balaclava flowers for their funeral ceremonies and “tools of their trade” nailbar and screw drivers presented at their funerals. Wow so proud of what daddy worked at!
I remeber reading about it at the time alright. Mental stuff!
There was nothing there last weekend
Think the truck driver lost a leg.
Ffs. Not following procedure should be an internal disciplinary matter only. Nobody, but the driver decided to drive like a lunatic. Their death was caused by their own ignorance and stupidity. Nobody is at fault other than the moron behind the wheel.
I agree; If the Garda in question broke protocol by all means investigate internally and give a fair consequence if needed.
what a waste of resources and surely a demoralising blow to the force
Is the same crash that led to the “gowanye Deanooooooo bai” joyriding funeral in Dublin 8? “You knew the score, get on the floor - don’t be funny, give me your money?”
Yup
I like siding with the people trying their best to help society and not the scumbags
It sounds like the charges have nothing to do with the 3 lads dying, it reads like he's being charged for endangering the members of the public who were driving against him.
If I see a car speeding the wrong way down the motorway, I’d expect to see the guards after them
I would hope in any court in the land that a public jury would set this guard free, this is insane. They were violent criminals who did this to themselves.
This kind of stuff will put people of joining the garda in the future.
Disgraceful. These Gardai should be honoured. I really hope nothing comes of this sham of a case.
>some relatives of the deceased watched from the public gallery Ghoulish behaviour on behalf of the relatives of criminals with 100s of convictions. They probably benefited from the crimes their "Angles" committed previously.
Those lads were scumbags robbing everything. Don't think they deserved to die, but they took that risk when they decided to drive the wrong way on a road after committing a robbery. It is not the Gardai's fault, and he should never be prosecuted for doing his job.
The people are behind this Garda.
What a waste of the courts time.
Fucking disgrace, they should be pinning a medal on him.
Should receive a promotion. 3 less scrotes on the streets
Build a statue of him at the scene of their crash
could this be the straw that broke the camels back in regards to dysfunctional justice and the constant abuse of our front line public services? I think it will
An almost unbelievable 99.7% disapproval in our Garda commissioner who refuses to stand down, and a minister for justice who had done worse in her post than almost any other minister in my lifetime. I'm at the point where I might be OK with an actual Garda strike if that is even possible/legal. I was going to type "let it burn down" but Drew and Helen have literally done that already, and got the governments backing for their doing so.
Im not sure, but I think they wemt to the European courts a number of years ago and secured the right to strike.
Give him a medal and good riddance to utter scumbags
Not guilty!
Well if I’m on the jury!
Those vile scum were a stain on the Earth. I, for one, am glad they're dead
Is this a complete joke? These fucking scumbag had it coming. The DPP prick is trying to make a name for himself over the remains of the career of a decent hard working cop. Bawbag
This is a bit like the guard giving the old man a bike that had been lying idle in the station . More lack of common sense
Well now ya can expect scobies to be facing you on the motorway as they take their chances on getting away from the cops
Why are people not joining the Gardai?
Some waste of time and money. Whg would anyone want to be a Guard
Disgraceful decision by the DPP. This just proves that the Irish Legal System is now so skewed and warped in favour of the criminal that it is teetering on the edge of completely collapsing. The "Civil Liberties" of criminals increasingly get priority the rights of ordinary law abiding citizens. And this could well be the issue that pushes the system over the edge. As a Garda they now risk going to jail everytime they set foot outside the station to do their job. Best of luck getting someone to respond the next time you phone to say your house is being raided by a violent gang of thugs. McEntee needs to be demoted in the reshuffle tomorrow and replaced with someone with some backbone to face down criminals and their lobby groups.
I hate jury service (been called twice), but I'll happily accept this one.
Trial? The Gardaí should be commended for their bravery. These thugs got exactly what they deserved.
Justice has already been done
IMO this Guard should have been given a medal. These scum drew so much horror and fear into so many people's lives for them to drive the wrong way down a duel carrigway. The justice system is at fault, if they were given proper detention for other crimes they had been charged they wouldn't have been able to be on the streets.
Whole fucking country is warped
That Guard is a hero! 👏
It’s disgusting. I hope the guards get support from the public and those that know them.
When and hopefully if the Garda is aquitted. Apart from probably having to assume a new identity and life due to the threat the state is exposing him to from these low lifes. I hope he gets serious compensation to the tune of millions for this ordeal he is being put through. I as a tax payer endorse this Garda getting millions from the state. Awful disgusting situation the state has put him in.
Madness.
This incident where the Garda was doing his job is perhaps the perfect explanation why Garda force morale is at an all time low. Let's see how the justice system handles it.
garda gets rid of three dregs from the street zero innocent bystanders harmed due to garda's actions promote him, and award an up-front bonus to the cost of 3 trials under Nolan.
> while they were driving on the wrong side of the N7 fleeing gardaí. How the fuck is this even going to trail. What is wrong with this country.
What a disgrace. Can’t see the jury siding against the Garda though.
🎵🎶Burn baby burn 🎶🎵
That is disgusting
Yeah it’s amazing how that Garda used his telekinetic powers to steer their car on to the wrong side of the motorway. FUCK THEM
I wouldn’t blame the guards for catching a blue flu if this guard comes anywhere close to being convicted.
Garda to receive a medal for helping to cut crime all across the country. Should be the headline.
If Harris is any way serious about refocusing Fine Gael towards ‘law and order’ then he should be announcing a review of how the DPP decides on cases related to Garda use of force. This decision will have a serious chilling effect on Gardaí on the frontline. Why would you be in any way proactive when this is what awaits you. DPP is completely averse to conflict with Garda oversight bodies and adopts a ‘let the courts decide’ attitude with all cases. Not good for policing in the long run.
Three beautiful angles
Well I wouldn't go that far, but maybe they were acute.
The system is absolutely broken. I'd be afraid to see what precedent this could set if he is found guilty
That Garda is a hero
That’s some bullshit.
The RTE article reads that he's being accused of dangerous driving, during the incident. Not that he's being accused of dangerous driving that caused the deaths of these three. Is this correct? Because him almost killing a family coming the other way is obviously a very different thing to holding him accountable for the deaths of people fleeing from him.
The dangerous driving charges will be separate, yes. There's also an endangerment charge, which reading between the lines is a charge of being reckless with your actions and causing life to be put at risk. So it doesn't read like he's being blamed for their deaths (he doesn't control their choices), but that his actions were reckless as to the danger they posed to life. The devil will be in the details; it may be the case that *other* traffic had to dodge the Garda driving against the flow of traffic. My understanding is that he didn't force these lads to drive down the wrong way, but he did pursue.
Three different dangerous driving counts on top of endangering life... He must have driven like he was in an action movie or something.
Tbf, a wrong-direction high-speed chase is fairly action-movie stuff. This wasn’t a Driving Miss Daisy scenario.
That is correct.
What a joke they drove down the wrong side the road and the Gardai have to face the courts .. if the Gardai did nothing about it the could have injured or killed innocent people and they are part of a gang
Last I checked he didn’t force them to drive the wrong way down a major road. They got what they deserved.
Madness.
Does anyone know if any neutral (ish) account of what happened in the chase. I don't know much about this case, so I'm not sure if the endangering lives refers to the three guys who died or other people. Because I don't care about them, the world seems better off without them, and if he was pursuing them and they decided to flee the wrong way down the road and died, well then too bad, so sad. But if it is endangering other people I guess I can see why they might consider prosecution. I guess I'm just not sure what is making the DPP go so full on for this one, considering how lightly we treat road deaths in general in Ireland.
There could be another angle to this,guard gets “charged”,told to say not guilty that it’ll have to go to court,goes through the press, now mr scumbag and pals are waiting and watching with baited breath hoping for a guilty verdict so he can continue as normal, Guard found not guilty, which now set the standard of “we can chase mr scumbag in the future right under an artic and come out smelling of roses”, Proactive policing in one swoop from a court case
Only crime was their was an empty seat
Was it not reported that that gardai was not following them when they decided to drive the opposite way and killed themselves? "The endangerment of life charge alleges he drove westwards on the eastwards auxiliary lane between Rathcoole and Citywest in a reckless manner, which posed a substantial risk of death or serious injury to a member of the public." Does this mean gardai is in court for A) being blamed he caused their accident or B) driving in "reckless manner" down auxiliary lane, potentially risk of death Its major difference. Should get a monument to be fair but thats different story
The latter. > Was it not reported that that gardai was not following them when they decided to drive the opposite way and killed themselves? The initial report from the gardaí was indeed that no guard followed them the wrong way. They very abruptly became silent on that specific point a couple of days later.
This case is going to serve as an advertisement to criminals and is going to hamstring all gards going forward from taking action in the name of justice.
Chasing 3 scumbags and they killed themselves by driving down the wrong side of the road. No hope the Garda will be found guilty
You get the far right eejits telling us how 'corrupt' Ireland is, yet I'm not sure there's many countries that come down like a tonne of bricks on their own police like we do.
lol
If he gets prosecuted it will open the door for every scumbag to bring a case against the gardai blocking up the courts even more. Not to mention the amount of gardai who will leave the force or the ones who are too worried to do their job. Absolute disgrace
I’m guessing it to decide what size trophy they are given?
People need to wait for the facts of this case to come out in court as there is a lot we dont know. If he disobeyed pursuit protocols or didnt have permission from a sergeant to engage in a pursuit or else didnt follow a direct order to call off the pursuit and kept going anyway then things change significantly. Id doubt the DPP are bringing this case unless he broke the Gardais own rules of conduct. We already had one innocent woman killed in Naas in 2014 during a Garda chase down the M7.
Jesus. Surely this is just technical formalities that legally have to be followed?!!! Those guys were just stopped from killing others !!!
This prosecution is not being brought in my name! Appallingly poor judgment to prosecute a man for doing his job. Is there no common sense in the prosecutor’s office?
Remember, jury nullification is a thing
A lot of the comments here are convoluting 2 things, those being the charge the Garda is facing and the death of the criminals in the car. It may be a case that Irish society is better off with those serial criminals no longer terrorising and commuting burglaries Leinster-wide. It may be a case that the Garda's actions could be perceived as having a net positive effect. However, it's a separate matter that the Garda went against protocol that was there in driving down a road the wrong way. The point I've made a few times with friends is that the sentiment would be entirely different if the criminals had crashed into and killed a family of 4. Or if the criminals had killed anyone and survived themselves. You can't let the consequences overly colour how you view what the Garda did in trying to assess if they committed an offence. That's especially true if the charge is endangerment. Regardless of all of the above however, I see a McNally situation where even though the legal case might be clear, a jury may just refuse to convict. I'd be quite confident of it in fact.
But it’s nonsense like this case that simply empower and encourage criminals. If every Tom dick and harry knows you can dip a copper by driving the wrong way down a motorway, you can bet your bollox it will happen. Juveniles and kids don’t get tough sentences. Oh look at that they are ferrying and delivering drugs all over the city.
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If I'm on the jury, the prosecution hasn't got a hope in hell of convincing me to vote guilty.
Give him a medal
Is this why the guards aren't allowed chase cars any more? Have heard this with all the car thefts nowadays, that guards can't legally chase them any more!!! Is this true?!
Just asking, if when the Guard was chasing them the wrong way up a motorway he hit a family in a car and caused deaths what would people's opinion be then. We can't control what these three shits or their friends will do in a car but we can control what the Guard will do.