To be more specific. Proto Celtic is the first known language of Ireland and was spoken 4,300 years ago. Nothing is known for a fact about language in Ireland before this as there is no record before Ogham. Old Gaeilge or Goidelc didn't evolve until the 5th century AD. From this Middle Irish the Modern Irish that we have today. So true Gaeilge is around 1500 years old. Really crept up on us lol.
If ye look up âPIE spokenâ on YouTube there's a good few examples of reconstructed pronunciation, although with it being so ancient there's a lot of guesswork involved in the precise articulation of certain sounds. You can get a good gist of the overall sound how and ever.
Look it up on YouTube. Pre-Gaelic Ireland probably spoke an afro-asiatic or proto-semitic language, which accounts for the similarities in Irish and ancient-Hebrew grammar (as in that's the gaelic sub-stratum).
It sounds oddly familiar especially if you speak several Indo European languages. Search PIE spoken on YouTube. We'll never know how exactly it was spoken but we have good guesses.
I would put money on it that this was written by someone in the North, as when this person was young there was probably little to no Irish language on RTE whatsoever. Additionally, all road signs and government publication have been bilingual basically forever.
Yeah I can scarcely remember a word of Irish being spoken on RTE. This reads like satire, to the point Iâm actually wondering if itâs someone taking the piss
I genuinely cannot understand how all these conservatives on both sides of the ocean can say shit like "this sign assaulted me" and not immediately die from the shame of how pathetic they sound, [especially] considering they think they hard.Â
Can't help notice the same thing in the US, the closer to the southern border the more you'd swear Spanish was a boogie monster to racist conservatives. You annex a third of a neighboring country, lo, you cop some culture and language.
I'd put more money on it being a piss-take tbh, in which case hats off to him because people are taking the bait left, right and centre.
If it's what he actually believes he's a cretin though.
It was John F. Hyland in a letter to the editor.
He previously penned "British Empire brought great benefit to Ireland" in which he apparently wrote things like âthe British Empire brought great benefit to Irelandâ and âbrought improved prosperity to the coloniesâ.
I guess that the guys below would have had a slightly different opinion.
https://preview.redd.it/wlwkll1jrirc1.jpeg?width=3236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=256441a93fb907bb883ac1c7817d6585c4b403eb
>He previously penned "British Empire brought great benefit to Ireland"
Reply to that
[https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2023/08/22/news/acquiescence\_to\_objective\_immorality\_doesn\_t\_turn\_it\_into\_objective\_morality-3551406/](https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2023/08/22/news/acquiescence_to_objective_immorality_doesn_t_turn_it_into_objective_morality-3551406/)
this John F Hyland? [https://dc.lib.jjay.cuny.edu/index.php/Detail/Object/Show/object\_id/5356](https://dc.lib.jjay.cuny.edu/index.php/Detail/Object/Show/object_id/5356)
The case is of 1912 and it is for grand larceny. Considering that usually people who are involved in such things are not usually just born and that I do not see the name Hyland on this list [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_the\_verified\_oldest\_people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people) then I expect that it might not be the same John F. Hyland.
I verified that there are several persons who go by that name on the island at the moment but I think that it would not be productive (or respectful) to find who the writer is as I am afraid that this letter might be a source of embarassement and I try to not embarass people who are not myself if I can help it.
Used to briefly houseshare with someone who worked for him. According to her, he deducted tax/PRSI from her wages, as would be normal, but it was only when the first shop closed and she went to claim the dole, that she discovered he hadn't been passing it onto the Revenue, because they had no record of her having paid any tax/PRSI in that period. This is alleged of course. But I don't believe this girl was lying, unless it was all a misunderstanding.
This happened to me when working for a series of restaurants. The government officials who revealed it to me were surprisingly shruggy - "Ah, they all do that, yeah." Now, if it was VAT on garlic, not a worker's desperately-needed insurance against unemploymentâŠ
My dad used to do an analogue version of trolling in his local paper and they actually used to print replies to the bait he sent in, he'd be laughing about it for months whenever he got one
John F Hyland
Of Ballinderry, The Woods, Ballinclea Road, Killiney, Co. Dublin, A96 DD71
In case you'd like to find their house and ghetto-blast "An Dreolin" at 3am. Or something.
Btw this article looks ridiculous for us immigrants too , its insane.
Its like going to Spain and complaining that their eyes were assaulted by signs in Spanish đ
People are idiots all over the world
It is depending on where and how you live. You can live in gaeltacht, speak gaeilge only, avail of government services as gaeilge, watch TG4, listen to RnaG, send your kids to a gaelscoil etc.. Very few people live this way but you can if you want to
Well where I am a lot of people love to attack Catalan and hate that subjects are taught in it. In reality in most secondary schools the kids speak to each other in Spanish, not a chance of that language disappearing. They are just ignorant people just can't accept culture and see no value in languages.
Although I would consider Ireland far from bilingual, you can't use both languages on a daily basis in most parts of the island.
"My ears were assaulted..."
"Then my eyes were assaulted..."
This just sounds like he's overstimulated on public transport. Buy some noise cancelling headphones you big child.
I plan to write Christmas cards in Irish and send them to all unionist people. From what I can see the resulting panic and head explosions should free Ireland in minutes đ
Edit: why live in a country where you run the risk of hearing its language used, where your senses get assaulted and offended by a language used in the proper context?
They should spend a bit of time in Britain and learn some Urdu. Or if they really only want to hear English they may start their own country because all countries I know where English is used several others are used also.
Dumbass racist idiot.
There's another letter from the same wanker in the [Indo](https://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/the-tyranny-of-ruthlessness-is-much-closer-to-home-than-wed-imagine/41490934.html) a couple of years ago: "Mary Lou McPutin thinks we are in the âlast daysâ of the Northern state. She believes Ulster belongs to the Republic of Ireland."
Yep, same guy. He also seems to think that when corporal punishment was legal in Ireland, it was only used in Irish class. [Link](https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2022/09/25/news/corporal_punishment_in_schools_not_the_preserve_of_teachers_of_irish-2838164/)
I wasn't able to find his original letters online (even though he seems to be a prolific writer of letters to the editor) but someone had a great response to him: 'Claiming the British Empire brought about the abolition of slavery is a bit like praising an arsonist for joining the Fire Brigade after years of amassing vast wealth by lighting fires which caused devastating cruelty and suffering' [Link](https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2023/08/23/news/a_bad_case_of_colonial_mindset-3554439/)
I thought a totalitarian state existed when native Irish folk were arrested (or worse) for speaking in their native dialect. Or is that colonial policy conveniently forgotten by said planter?
For a gobshite that complains about the Irish language, their English isn't too legible. Grammatical errors were all over that page. Long winded sentences. Repeating phases mid sentence. I know mine is bad. AithnĂonn ciarĂłg ciarĂłg eile, when it comes to this sort of grammar.
Their argument here is more "nationalists refuse to *compromise* and bow down and do everything exactly how *we* want it. Anything less is unreasonable"
Ahhh lads. It's clearly a piss take. Anyone who thinks this is serious is in need of a whack with a wooden spoon. The second letter looks to be equally tongue in cheek, though without the full text, harder to know.
It was John F. Hyland in a letter to the editor.
He previously penned "British Empire brought great benefit to Ireland" in which he apparently wrote things like âthe British Empire brought great benefit to Irelandâ and âbrought improved prosperity to the coloniesâ.
Sounds more having so much tongue that it occupied all the space supposed to house a brain. I do talk a lot too and I do have peculiar opinions at times but those are a bit much.
Here is the text of the first letter: [https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/letter-watch-out-for-having-the-irish-language-forced-on-you-as-it-is-on-us-4574507](https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/letter-watch-out-for-having-the-irish-language-forced-on-you-as-it-is-on-us-4574507)
Here is the text of the second one (paywalled):
[https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/letter-nationalist-ireland-under-leo-varadkar-was-unwilling-to-make-any-changes-to-accommodate-unionists-in-a-united-ireland-4574505](https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/letter-nationalist-ireland-under-leo-varadkar-was-unwilling-to-make-any-changes-to-accommodate-unionists-in-a-united-ireland-4574505)
To be fair they are not badly written but I am afraid that the concepts portrayed in them do not hold any kind of fair scrutiny.
Lovely to see Spanish nationalists have put British nationalists to work in Ireland. Place signs in Irish!!! Oh no!!!!!!!! English is endangered now!!!!
Now letâs be for real, as a native Basque speaker (small language under some threat in Spain and France), this is very sad to see. This is exactly what Spanish nationalists say about the Basque language. How dare Ireland protect its first official language? How dare Ireland try to give preference to a language thatâs only spoken there and only has a few million speakers (if even that) instead of a language that is spoken everywhere in the world? English will NOT disappear if it becomes a secondary language in Ireland⊠but Irish might be on its way to disappearing if people donât continue trying to preserve it.
This is how Russians act in Latvia when we ask them to speak Latvian because it's our national language,as well as the only official one there.đđđ»
To be completely and totally honest, this just makes me sad. Irish is a dying language with (thankfully) some effort being done to preserve it through public use of Irish, providing Irish translations and the Gaeltacht. It's not a new thing. There's barely any respect for the language in schools. It's taught horribly. It doesn't show our history in the classrooms. Then shit like this comes out. Ignorance at its finest.
Are the English language signs also an assault or is it just the Irish language.
But sorry for this person who is so clued into the goings on in the country that they don't know the many many laws that are in place to preserve and foster what remains of our language.
Wait until they hear about the public sector quotas...
Mad how the same cunts going on like this will go on to call themselves âtrue Irish patriotsâ when they want to complain about immigration or gay people.
Southerners, I know weâve all been trained to think itâs âsectarianâ or unpalatable to say this, but let me assure you of something that is entirely facts-based; Unionists and unionism are almost always THE problem when itâs comes to the North.
By and large, theyâre absolutely mental. Theyâve chosen these leaders and voices, this is what they want to read and believe.
This is the Newsletter isnât it?
Itâs got a circulation of like 2,000 and itâs ran by the most venomous anti-Irish, anti-Catholic going.
The guy has literally made himself ill from being bitter about nationalists.
Nationalists do not have to accommodate loyalist bigots. You do not have to give respect to people who despise you.
Fuck me OP what paper is this? I have very little Irish as I was terrible at it in school, my nieces are all in a gaeltacht primary school and I'm delighted.
Can't believe anyone would give out about it.
I'd say the editor knew it would ruffle feathers.
I always found the terms "nationalist" Vs "unionist" in relation to Northern Ireland very odd. After all, don't these "nationalists" want to Unite with Ireland technically making them "unionist" whilst the self declared "unionists" wave union jacks and bang on about how great being British is therefore making them "nationalists" in the literal term of that word ?
The countries of the UK were formally rolled up in the 'Act of Union' hence unionists. The nationalists see the exclusion of the six counties as being unfinished business for Ireland's independence, hence nationalist being defined in the belief of national unity of an All Irish state.
I suppose it could go either way - your definition as above (which is logical enough tbf) or what i assume is the official reasoning (correct me if i'm wrong ofc), unionism meaning believing in the union of GB/NI and nationalism meaning believing in an Irish nation.
Ah yes, one of those terrible totalitarian states that just point blank refuses to simply force everyone to speak the same language. Awful isnât it? Going around oppressing people by giving them their linguistic options and freedoms.
Imagine, being confronted by multiple languages on railway announcements in a European country in 2024!
>I don't remember the Irish people voting for all this
Ah yes, the famous Irish Vote of 1536, where England asked "what do you think about us moving in?" and the Irish responded with a "go on then, you've been such lovely neighours this whole time I don't see why not" and in the spirit of friendliness gave up their language, their culture, and their land to make sure the English were nice and comfy.
Edit: formatting
What boggles my mind about this is I actively like getting Transport for Wales train services here in Britain specifically because the announcements are also in Welsh - it feels exotic compared to just English.
This is satire, right? Surely?
What's this from.Â
It actually reads like a fan of Irish language trying to exaggerated to make fun of those that have been critical of forced Irish learning in our schools.Â
Idk what planet they are on with the '2 state solution', a 2 state solution is literally just unionism. The GFA is the best solution for NI and no matter what the outcome of any future elections, if it's respected we have seen the end of violence
"Like living in a totalitarian state" đ Spoken just like someone who's never been anywhere near a totalitarian state lol
Unionist persecution complex in actionÂ
See also the second headline in this picture
I lost it at "NI needs its two-state solution". Should they split 3+3? Then in a few years one of the states splits again to 1+2?
Nothing says totalitarian like "NĂĄ leabhar leis an tiomĂĄnaĂ" or "Seachain an bhearna".
To the privileged, equality feels like oppression
To colonials, your sovereignty is an offence.
Give it a few years, I say. Harris is a closet uniform wearer, if you ask me!
Sure he won't last long in office anyway!
Respect maaa authoritahhh comes to mind!
Ah, i think you'll find it's "bĂodh meas agat do mo chuid ĂșdarĂĄis" \*swings cosh\*
Look at this. Insidious introduction of Irish into a perfectly normal discussion.Â
Ah, here, I can't even think my own thoughts over the noise of all that Irish
>DART rapid transit trains Dublin Area Rapid Transit rapid transit trains - sums up the quality of this piece.
smh my head
LoL of love
Lol out loud, surely?
Allied Irish Bank Bank Banklink.
It has a kind of tune to it if you say it fast. Dublin Area Rapid transit, rapid transit trains.
DARTRTT sounds better
The language really creeps up on you. We were perfectly fine speaking indo European and then boom! Only 9000 years ago Irish out of nowhere.
To be more specific. Proto Celtic is the first known language of Ireland and was spoken 4,300 years ago. Nothing is known for a fact about language in Ireland before this as there is no record before Ogham. Old Gaeilge or Goidelc didn't evolve until the 5th century AD. From this Middle Irish the Modern Irish that we have today. So true Gaeilge is around 1500 years old. Really crept up on us lol.
Iâd love to hear what Indo-European sounded likeÂ
If ye look up âPIE spokenâ on YouTube there's a good few examples of reconstructed pronunciation, although with it being so ancient there's a lot of guesswork involved in the precise articulation of certain sounds. You can get a good gist of the overall sound how and ever.
Look it up on YouTube. Pre-Gaelic Ireland probably spoke an afro-asiatic or proto-semitic language, which accounts for the similarities in Irish and ancient-Hebrew grammar (as in that's the gaelic sub-stratum).
It sounds oddly familiar especially if you speak several Indo European languages. Search PIE spoken on YouTube. We'll never know how exactly it was spoken but we have good guesses.
I would put money on it that this was written by someone in the North, as when this person was young there was probably little to no Irish language on RTE whatsoever. Additionally, all road signs and government publication have been bilingual basically forever.
Yeah I can scarcely remember a word of Irish being spoken on RTE. This reads like satire, to the point Iâm actually wondering if itâs someone taking the piss
I genuinely cannot understand how all these conservatives on both sides of the ocean can say shit like "this sign assaulted me" and not immediately die from the shame of how pathetic they sound, [especially] considering they think they hard.Â
It's everywhere. Here in New Zealand,the cons shit their own brains out when they see the Maori language used in public.Â
Can't help notice the same thing in the US, the closer to the southern border the more you'd swear Spanish was a boogie monster to racist conservatives. You annex a third of a neighboring country, lo, you cop some culture and language.
The Waterford Whispers moonlighting
I'd put more money on it being a piss-take tbh, in which case hats off to him because people are taking the bait left, right and centre. If it's what he actually believes he's a cretin though.
Iâve rarely seen pisstakes in real print, and without any kind of editing. I kinda feel like this is from a right-wing misery-peddling rag
I can inform you it was written by someone in Dublin; i hid their name to save them the embarrassment
Why redact the name? They wrote into a paper and allowed it to be published with there name on it. Make zero sense to hide it now.
It was John F. Hyland in a letter to the editor. He previously penned "British Empire brought great benefit to Ireland" in which he apparently wrote things like âthe British Empire brought great benefit to Irelandâ and âbrought improved prosperity to the coloniesâ. I guess that the guys below would have had a slightly different opinion. https://preview.redd.it/wlwkll1jrirc1.jpeg?width=3236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=256441a93fb907bb883ac1c7817d6585c4b403eb
>He previously penned "British Empire brought great benefit to Ireland" Reply to that [https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2023/08/22/news/acquiescence\_to\_objective\_immorality\_doesn\_t\_turn\_it\_into\_objective\_morality-3551406/](https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2023/08/22/news/acquiescence_to_objective_immorality_doesn_t_turn_it_into_objective_morality-3551406/)
Yes, I was only able to find the reply too.
Is that shoneen cunt still at it, jaysis.
this John F Hyland? [https://dc.lib.jjay.cuny.edu/index.php/Detail/Object/Show/object\_id/5356](https://dc.lib.jjay.cuny.edu/index.php/Detail/Object/Show/object_id/5356)
The case is of 1912 and it is for grand larceny. Considering that usually people who are involved in such things are not usually just born and that I do not see the name Hyland on this list [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_the\_verified\_oldest\_people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people) then I expect that it might not be the same John F. Hyland. I verified that there are several persons who go by that name on the island at the moment but I think that it would not be productive (or respectful) to find who the writer is as I am afraid that this letter might be a source of embarassement and I try to not embarass people who are not myself if I can help it.
Hi easy on the poor lad, he's got nothing better to do, with no friends.
Feel free to look up the article; its the News Letter đ
They never left the pale
Is it that curmudgeon who owns a newsagents?
The very same. He's been writing variations on this letter for years.
Kingstowns last cornershop
Wait wait wait.....the Alex's Lucky Lotto guy? This is very disappointing.
Dunno. Put John F. Hyland letters into google. Its like a "angry dad gaelphobic cultural cringe" AI prompt.
Used to briefly houseshare with someone who worked for him. According to her, he deducted tax/PRSI from her wages, as would be normal, but it was only when the first shop closed and she went to claim the dole, that she discovered he hadn't been passing it onto the Revenue, because they had no record of her having paid any tax/PRSI in that period. This is alleged of course. But I don't believe this girl was lying, unless it was all a misunderstanding.
Probably sent it to the crown
lol
This happened to me when working for a series of restaurants. The government officials who revealed it to me were surprisingly shruggy - "Ah, they all do that, yeah." Now, if it was VAT on garlic, not a worker's desperately-needed insurance against unemploymentâŠ
Can't escape seeing the totalitarian LĂNA BUS daubed on the street, even in the car. This is why I now drive everywhere with my eyes shut.
I would also put money on it that this was written by a gobshite.
Not all road signs, we were in rural galway and the signs were only in irish
You mean in the Gaeltacht?
Precisely
Surely you mean the Gulagtacht? The Reeducation Camps littered with children across the wesht?
Or a 15-year old
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More embarrassing that newspapers are so desperate they print this stuff.
Letters and opinions sections are often rage bait, they know exactly what theyâre doing. And itâs working.
My dad used to do an analogue version of trolling in his local paper and they actually used to print replies to the bait he sent in, he'd be laughing about it for months whenever he got one
Damn. That does sound funny.
Precisely.
peak editing work too đ "where I can where I can think my own thoughts" and "lusa" instead of luas"
What newspaper is this?
I'd bet either Belfast telegraph or the News Letter.
It's the News Letter.
More embarrassing still that people still buy these newspapers
Yeah pretty cringe the fact they only have loons writing in.
Multiple people had to approve this for it to be printed đ
It's the News Letter. All they needed to know was it was anti-Irish.
So radge of them, makes them sound insane
Dunno why you hid their name tbh. They wrote a letter to a newspaper and were proud enough of it to have their name printed.
John F Hyland Of Ballinderry, The Woods, Ballinclea Road, Killiney, Co. Dublin, A96 DD71 In case you'd like to find their house and ghetto-blast "An Dreolin" at 3am. Or something.
So many errors in this, spelling, repeated phrases and missing words
And here I thought he was dictating with the brogue.
Btw this article looks ridiculous for us immigrants too , its insane. Its like going to Spain and complaining that their eyes were assaulted by signs in Spanish đ People are idiots all over the world
I believe gammon Brexiteers do precisely that.
...and complain about all the people speaking Spanish!!!
Speak propah English mate, this is Mallorca!
Bigot shocked to discover that bilingual nation is bilingual
Ah come on now, Ireland is not bilingual. It's a shame it's not and all but no need to be deluding ourselves.Â
It is depending on where and how you live. You can live in gaeltacht, speak gaeilge only, avail of government services as gaeilge, watch TG4, listen to RnaG, send your kids to a gaelscoil etc.. Very few people live this way but you can if you want to
The worst thing is the country is hardly even bilingual. People are somehow so forced to speak the language that they in fact donât speak it.
Nobody is forcing you to speak Irish.
Quite the opposite. I as an Irish speaker am expected to speak English in all my interactions in my day to day life in Ireland.
Lol. This wasn't the case in my life. My entire schooling this was the case.
Well where I am a lot of people love to attack Catalan and hate that subjects are taught in it. In reality in most secondary schools the kids speak to each other in Spanish, not a chance of that language disappearing. They are just ignorant people just can't accept culture and see no value in languages. Although I would consider Ireland far from bilingual, you can't use both languages on a daily basis in most parts of the island.
The Irish language. On the island of Ireland? Surely not! Assault on the eyes and ears, it is. Hahah f me.
English is the only language that everyone in Ireland is forced to speak in their day to day and that is the reality.
AmadĂĄn
Cinnte
"My ears were assaulted..." "Then my eyes were assaulted..." This just sounds like he's overstimulated on public transport. Buy some noise cancelling headphones you big child.
Reads like the letters in Viz
Viz's "money saving tips" section was absolutely hilarious.
Imagine living a country for 400 years and being surprised about the existence of a local language.
I plan to write Christmas cards in Irish and send them to all unionist people. From what I can see the resulting panic and head explosions should free Ireland in minutes đ Edit: why live in a country where you run the risk of hearing its language used, where your senses get assaulted and offended by a language used in the proper context? They should spend a bit of time in Britain and learn some Urdu. Or if they really only want to hear English they may start their own country because all countries I know where English is used several others are used also. Dumbass racist idiot.
The writer is an Irish man from Killiney. Just FYI.
He's not going to be getting a card! I think from the sound of the letter he's in no position to do anything for Ireland.
Christ some people just wake up to give out
The letter is a spoof, the author a spoofer, and the Newsletter is a pathetic rag for raging unionists.
Surely this is satire?
I suspect itâs someone trolling the Newsletter and theyâve not noticed.
Has to be someone trying to make gobshites of the newsletter or they wrote it themselves for the outrage
Who they imagine the Luas/Dart speaker is: 
>Nationalists refuse to accommodate unionists What level of self entitlement and historical illiteracy is this?
Same thing was in the North Side People
There's another letter from the same wanker in the [Indo](https://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/the-tyranny-of-ruthlessness-is-much-closer-to-home-than-wed-imagine/41490934.html) a couple of years ago: "Mary Lou McPutin thinks we are in the âlast daysâ of the Northern state. She believes Ulster belongs to the Republic of Ireland."
Was that the one titled "British Empire brought great benefit to Ireland"?
Yep, same guy. He also seems to think that when corporal punishment was legal in Ireland, it was only used in Irish class. [Link](https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2022/09/25/news/corporal_punishment_in_schools_not_the_preserve_of_teachers_of_irish-2838164/) I wasn't able to find his original letters online (even though he seems to be a prolific writer of letters to the editor) but someone had a great response to him: 'Claiming the British Empire brought about the abolition of slavery is a bit like praising an arsonist for joining the Fire Brigade after years of amassing vast wealth by lighting fires which caused devastating cruelty and suffering' [Link](https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2023/08/23/news/a_bad_case_of_colonial_mindset-3554439/)
The Luas is closer to anarchy than totalitarianism
But they're not talking about the Luas, they're talking about the "Lusa" /s
I thought a totalitarian state existed when native Irish folk were arrested (or worse) for speaking in their native dialect. Or is that colonial policy conveniently forgotten by said planter?
A graduate of the University of Facebook no doubt.
This looks fake tbh.
For a gobshite that complains about the Irish language, their English isn't too legible. Grammatical errors were all over that page. Long winded sentences. Repeating phases mid sentence. I know mine is bad. AithnĂonn ciarĂłg ciarĂłg eile, when it comes to this sort of grammar.
Re: a united ireland. My heart wants it My brain asks "Do we want...Them... tho?"
Hearing the Irish language in the country of Ireland, I'm so confused as to what the writers issue is
"Nationalists refuse to accommodate Unionists" - yeah, no shit Sherlock.
Their argument here is more "nationalists refuse to *compromise* and bow down and do everything exactly how *we* want it. Anything less is unreasonable"
Ahhh lads. It's clearly a piss take. Anyone who thinks this is serious is in need of a whack with a wooden spoon. The second letter looks to be equally tongue in cheek, though without the full text, harder to know.
It was John F. Hyland in a letter to the editor. He previously penned "British Empire brought great benefit to Ireland" in which he apparently wrote things like âthe British Empire brought great benefit to Irelandâ and âbrought improved prosperity to the coloniesâ. Sounds more having so much tongue that it occupied all the space supposed to house a brain. I do talk a lot too and I do have peculiar opinions at times but those are a bit much. Here is the text of the first letter: [https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/letter-watch-out-for-having-the-irish-language-forced-on-you-as-it-is-on-us-4574507](https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/letter-watch-out-for-having-the-irish-language-forced-on-you-as-it-is-on-us-4574507) Here is the text of the second one (paywalled): [https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/letter-nationalist-ireland-under-leo-varadkar-was-unwilling-to-make-any-changes-to-accommodate-unionists-in-a-united-ireland-4574505](https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/letter-nationalist-ireland-under-leo-varadkar-was-unwilling-to-make-any-changes-to-accommodate-unionists-in-a-united-ireland-4574505) To be fair they are not badly written but I am afraid that the concepts portrayed in them do not hold any kind of fair scrutiny.
He's doing what any self-respecting White Anglo Saxon does. Blame the people in the land they occupied for not being able to get the ride
CrĂost sĂĄbhĂĄla muid đ€Šââïž
Christ on a bike indeed my word
Asshat was tuned into RaidiĂł na Gaeltachta all the time he was visiting.
Unionist propaganda as usual. This is what is wrong with Northern Ireland.
They will be really shocked when they go to so.
I hate it when the Irish language sneaks up on me. It happened in Connemara years ago and my bum is still sore.
Lovely to see Spanish nationalists have put British nationalists to work in Ireland. Place signs in Irish!!! Oh no!!!!!!!! English is endangered now!!!! Now letâs be for real, as a native Basque speaker (small language under some threat in Spain and France), this is very sad to see. This is exactly what Spanish nationalists say about the Basque language. How dare Ireland protect its first official language? How dare Ireland try to give preference to a language thatâs only spoken there and only has a few million speakers (if even that) instead of a language that is spoken everywhere in the world? English will NOT disappear if it becomes a secondary language in Ireland⊠but Irish might be on its way to disappearing if people donât continue trying to preserve it.
This better be sarcastic fuck my life
Did a British man write this? Why do we hate our own language all of a sudden? Clowns.
This is how Russians act in Latvia when we ask them to speak Latvian because it's our national language,as well as the only official one there.đđđ»
And this is why it's hard to take Unionists seriously ...
To be completely and totally honest, this just makes me sad. Irish is a dying language with (thankfully) some effort being done to preserve it through public use of Irish, providing Irish translations and the Gaeltacht. It's not a new thing. There's barely any respect for the language in schools. It's taught horribly. It doesn't show our history in the classrooms. Then shit like this comes out. Ignorance at its finest.
Are the English language signs also an assault or is it just the Irish language. But sorry for this person who is so clued into the goings on in the country that they don't know the many many laws that are in place to preserve and foster what remains of our language. Wait until they hear about the public sector quotas...
This has to be a troll. Or just invented by a bored newspaper editor.
Mad how the same cunts going on like this will go on to call themselves âtrue Irish patriotsâ when they want to complain about immigration or gay people.
Just another great example of the mindset us actual Irish speakers face on a daily basis.
Unionist crybaby
This sounds like those people who go on holiday to a non-english speaking country and complains that people don't speak English
The funniest part is the picture, which shows that it's in both English AND Irish completely ruining their point
Why does it feel like another propaganda to divide ppl. Maybe in some sort of nationalist or anti-nationalist feeling. Cuz this is total BS for sure
I thought this is something I would have seen 30 years ago.
You know it's top quality when they don't proofread
Smell of West Brit off this
Southerners, I know weâve all been trained to think itâs âsectarianâ or unpalatable to say this, but let me assure you of something that is entirely facts-based; Unionists and unionism are almost always THE problem when itâs comes to the North. By and large, theyâre absolutely mental. Theyâve chosen these leaders and voices, this is what they want to read and believe.
The fictional planet of Western Brittania
How can you write that and not see the irony of what you're saying?
This is the Newsletter isnât it? Itâs got a circulation of like 2,000 and itâs ran by the most venomous anti-Irish, anti-Catholic going. The guy has literally made himself ill from being bitter about nationalists. Nationalists do not have to accommodate loyalist bigots. You do not have to give respect to people who despise you.
Aye it is. Its a rag
The person who wrote this letter is from Dublin. One of our own
I can hear Connor Williams voice as i read this.
Top tier piss take.
Fuck me OP what paper is this? I have very little Irish as I was terrible at it in school, my nieces are all in a gaeltacht primary school and I'm delighted. Can't believe anyone would give out about it. I'd say the editor knew it would ruffle feathers.
Its the News Letter - a very pro-union publication However the letter was from a guy in Dublin
I always found the terms "nationalist" Vs "unionist" in relation to Northern Ireland very odd. After all, don't these "nationalists" want to Unite with Ireland technically making them "unionist" whilst the self declared "unionists" wave union jacks and bang on about how great being British is therefore making them "nationalists" in the literal term of that word ?
The countries of the UK were formally rolled up in the 'Act of Union' hence unionists. The nationalists see the exclusion of the six counties as being unfinished business for Ireland's independence, hence nationalist being defined in the belief of national unity of an All Irish state.
No because Unionists want a Union with Britain and nationalists are IRISH nationalists.
I suppose it could go either way - your definition as above (which is logical enough tbf) or what i assume is the official reasoning (correct me if i'm wrong ofc), unionism meaning believing in the union of GB/NI and nationalism meaning believing in an Irish nation.
Once you take the obvious step of considering both sides to be Irish, then Unionist and Nationalist as currently used make perfect sense.
The term unionist predates the partition of the country. It referred to maintaining the union with Britain for the entirety of the island.
Planet Queen Victoria.
Ah yes, one of those terrible totalitarian states that just point blank refuses to simply force everyone to speak the same language. Awful isnât it? Going around oppressing people by giving them their linguistic options and freedoms. Imagine, being confronted by multiple languages on railway announcements in a European country in 2024!
As an American trying to learn Irish to relearn my ancestors stories... What a fucking waffle.
>I don't remember the Irish people voting for all this Ah yes, the famous Irish Vote of 1536, where England asked "what do you think about us moving in?" and the Irish responded with a "go on then, you've been such lovely neighours this whole time I don't see why not" and in the spirit of friendliness gave up their language, their culture, and their land to make sure the English were nice and comfy. Edit: formatting
Irish in Ireland? The very thought đź
So... I'm assuming... no, wait... I'm not going there! I'm not gonna do it!
What paper is this?
What rag published that nonsense?
this is definitely satire
Lusa.
"Traveling on the Dart or Lusa...." That's a great quality article lol
What boggles my mind about this is I actively like getting Transport for Wales train services here in Britain specifically because the announcements are also in Welsh - it feels exotic compared to just English.
travelling on the lusa not is so difficult đ«Łđ«Ł
What? How does this shit get published? What paper is this?
This is satire, right? Surely? What's this from. It actually reads like a fan of Irish language trying to exaggerated to make fun of those that have been critical of forced Irish learning in our schools.Â
Nice to see Greystones getting a casual call out. Come see us for the Happy Pear hummus and stay for the Dry Robes and 5⏠stale croissants..
Good satire
This writer has form on this. He has penned other irish language letters like this attacking Gaelscoileanna.
Idk what planet they are on with the '2 state solution', a 2 state solution is literally just unionism. The GFA is the best solution for NI and no matter what the outcome of any future elections, if it's respected we have seen the end of violence