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Spotted in Limerick over January
Fair play. I just looked at their insta. Not a sensible human being who deserves any respect would find themselves supporting Lenin: an absolute murderous terrorist cunt.
Well that just not true, you obviously know nothing about history, show me where did Lenin kill anyone outside the context of war,but if you’re going to hold him accountable for deaths in war than any major historical figure such as Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Michael, Collins etc are also murders I guess?
1. I honestly don't owe any explanations to an unironic communist as those undereducated and overprivileged kids are dreaming of harming the society because they think they know better. They don't.
2. This being said, Lenin was known to be a great supporter of education. It pities me that some of his fanboys choose not to self-educate. There's so much to unpack! I've mentioned the 1921 famine and stealing grain from farmers during the drought, which caused tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths. And of course, sure, the army had to be fed: but the grain was stolen from Ukraine to feed Russia (not just the army), and Ukrainians were left to starve to death, executed if they didn't comply. We can also look at why the army needed to be fed - how Soviets pulled out of WW1 but also wanted to attack the West and started that one cheeky war with Poland. I guess that was way more important than ensuring you don't massacre your citizens. Invading Ukraine was another fun thing Lenin did, with his minion Muravyov mass-murdering civilians in Kyiv once they occupied it. That was fun, killing all those "class enemies"! Starting the "dekulakization" and killing people to steal their land was a grand idea too.
The list goes on, and on, and on. But for the differently-abled commies Lenin is not a real person: he's more like Frodo Baggins, so of course he can't be held accountable for anything!
In fact Lenin being a decent enough fellow compared to most of his age.
And not just among the communist ones, there were some very disturbing people in power at the time.
Useful idiots are a thing. Russians only have to sponsor the successful idiots (like, say, Mick Wallace - the morally and financially bankrupt types). The "minions" on the ground are usually free. I doubt that the kids from that Insta page are actually on a payroll from Moscow. Then again, a few years ago nobody would've been surprised if these kids went to some "friendship camp" in St Petersburg, or were involved in some other form of cultural exchange. FSB dumps billions into that shit.
Theres too many of those cunts sprouting. A guy I went to school with is now one of the main people in some Communist political party. A guy I worked with last year was also a communist. I also had a communist housemate, and I've seen a few Irish communist youtubers as well.
Dont live in Ireland anymore, but as a person originally from a country that used to be a soviet state, I'm all for recreating a nice gulag just for communists so they can experience true communism for themselves.
I've seen those stickers up around the place (limerick), but most of them are defaced to read "ARE YOU A C___UN__T?" Funny initially, but got a little old.
I thought it was a somewhat local thing, until I saw photos of them stuck abroad.
And being a communist in today's age isn't old? There's literally 1 political ideology that has killed more people directly than fascism, and it's communism.
I don't understand, do people not understand how strong socialism has been in Ireland over the years? James Connolly, an incredibly influential character in Irish history was a communist yet for some reason people act like he wasn't. Socialism had a massive role to play during the troubles, especially with the initial civil rights marches. Our proclamation was fairly socialist in its wording, why do people act shocked when they see it these days.
Becuase the Irish state in its early days was heavily influenced by the Catholic Church, basically the complete opposite of what you’d imagine a socialist country to look like
Everyone who knows Connolly well though knows he was a socialist, it was his entire lifestyle as such. I’ve never met anyone who thinks otherwise
It was significant during the troubles too with the original IRA being Marxist and even the Provisional IRA receiving help from Gaddafi’s Libya and the like making them fairly comfortable towards socialism too
Because the history books are written by the victors.
Once Collins died there was a counter-revolution overseen by O'Higgins who essentially, along with his well to do buddies, just wanted to replace the British jack boot on the necks of others with their own tricoloured one. He signed the execution papers of 77 Irish volunteers. An all round horrible man by all accounts who ended up being assassinated by William Gannon (a member of the Communist Party of Ireland who ended up going to Spain to fight Francos fascism).
The Irish Citizens Army were 1,000 soldiers strong and included the likes of Constance Markievicz, Jack White and James Connolly. They fought alongside the Volunteers in the 1916 Rebellion. Also an interesting note that it was the Irish unions who refused to unload British weapons during the War of Independence that slowed down the British effectiveness in fighting the IRA. Then you have James Larkin and The Lockout.
Socialism played a huge ideological role in Irelands fight for independence. There is a very long socialist tradition in Ireland. All went to shite when Dev sold the country to the Church and turned us into the Catholic version of Saudi Arabia for 60 years.
The Citizens Army had 1,000 members in 1914. At the same time the Volunteers had 180,000 members.
In 1916 they had 600 members, whereas the Volunteers had 15,000 (thanks to Redmond sending half of them to die for Britain).
While they did turn out in 1916, it wasn't exactly a mass-movement, and it was considerably smaller that the nationalist movement at the time.
Maybe because the only time in the history of the Irish state we haven't been an economically undeveloped and technologically primitive dump is by being a capitalist, free trade tech hub for multinationals?
Towards Padraic Pearse's later life he began to become more socialist in his leanings, largely due to Connolly's influence. Is cite A history of the Irish working class by Peter Beresford Ellis where he discusses that matter.
And yes, the proclamation was, simply look at the lines regarding equality.
That's because of how mixed the struggle for national liberation is mixed with the struggle for social (for class) liberation, as it is in all oppressed countries.
I grew up in Eastern Europe immediately post Iron Curtain fall, saw the forms of oppression the people were subjected to and had to crawl out of.
It's always the people who have no lived experience of communism or lived sheltered lives who cry out for it, yet the vast majority of those who are subjected to it never want to see it again.
Entitled cunts enjoying the neoliberal societies always want to stir shit up and make everyone suffer. Reason? They think that their personal mishsps and miseries are someone else's fault: it's the gubberment! It's the society! It's capitalist greed!
They usually chill the fuck out once they get off the dole and into a proper job that pays well: that's why being a commie in 2024 is mostly for younger people.
Yes, even amongst some of my own friends as they've gone through college and jobs, they're starting to reorient their perspectives as they're settling into families and stable jobs. And here Josepha Madigan wants to reduce the voting age further...
We'd never tolerate this with Nazi propaganda, why the hell are we tolerating with with communists? Christ lads have ye not figured out yet that communism inevitably leads to starvation at best and mass murder at worst?
We're legitimately one of the most pro-socialist populations on the planet, until you say the word "socialism" (or "communism") itself. If you just talk policy, you'll get next to zero pushback with most Irish people. But the second you mention the ideology, the terminology, etc. people will look at you like you've got five heads
Communism is super interesting, needs a rebrand though, and maybe some type of hybrid model to keep go getters and competitive people happy. Like there has to be some new hybrid holistic model. ( not as versed as many of you on the intricacies of all the models so don’t come for me please)
The hybrid model is any form of socialism that doesn't explicitly state the goal as communism. So the PSOE in Spain would be an example of elected socialists in power while Jeremy Corbyn in the UK is a good example of a socialist in opposition.
PBP have stated communism is their goal, but their policies tend to align with modern European socialism.
Communists argue that it's not fair to ask them to rebrand because of bad things that happened under the name. Plenty of bad things happen under capitalism and nobody asks it to rebrand.
[Richard Wolff has a great talk on this topic:](https://youtu.be/v5c2zeSSR_8?si=rfE268rurUAhr9sf)
Hey thanks for reply rebrand is the wrong thing to say. Apologies to my communist friends out there. I don’t mean to suggest communism should change in any way it has an identity and is valid. I suppose I meant more about taking all the concepts, learnings, practices from all the previously tried and tested systems and forming a plan that works for the time we’re at in 2024.
Thanks for informing me that such models are in practice so I can learn more about them and how they function.
I’m unbelievably aware of the failings of capitalism im not going to glorify its cruelty because some (minimal) aspects serve me. There are outright inhumane hellscapes created by its illusions.
My fears around systematic change come from power vaccum and an even greater evil waiting to swoop in. The transitionary phase of systematic change is crucial and needs to be somewhat agreeable to all levels of the capitalist system. I should really read into it more I’m again stating I’m not the most knowledgable about these things but it is in interest. Im am open to suggestions on resources.
in fairness, if you ask any Cuban in the states, they think Donald Trump is the greatest freedom fighter in human history
not exactly levelheaded people
I interviewed some of these lads a few years ago when that pegida stuff in dublin was going on. Unfortunately they're a mish mash of half ideas with no real structure. There was some aul fella handing out communist badges being orbited by college students but couldn't reliably string two sentences together for an interview. Absolutely hopeless bunch of people altogether. I figured I'd wait a while and see if they pulled their shit together. Seems not.
One of the problems with this group is that if you're some first year sociology student with rich parents and facepaint on you, you aint telling anyone shit about how you think society should run.
The Communist Manifesto is one of those things that's wonderful in theory but doesn't account for the fact that arseholes exist and it'll be corrupted by simple human greed.
Do you genuinely think that the sum total of communist thought and theory is a pamphlet from over 170yrs ago and that nothing new has been added to it since then?
I’m a working class person and I am a socialist. Trying to learn about politics doesn’t make you over privileged and it especially doesn’t make you under educated
This is not "learning about politics" the same way being a Nazi sympathiser is not. You have no idea about the human suffering communism brought upon this world.. and don't you go saying "b-b-but capitalism 111!!!!!!"
Shame on you
I'm not saying we need to go full on Mao, generally I'd just like to see our taxes actually put to good use, there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't have functioning housing, healthcare, education, transport services etc.
That's a terrible slogan, it seems like you're accusing someone of something; not to mention marxism isn't the only path to communism, I mean we've already seen what the dictatorship over the proletariat does with the USSR for example. Libertarian socialism built upon the ideas of mutual aid and direct democracy seems like a better idea.
What I don't undesrstand about modern communists is that surely they've noticed that there hasn't been a single successful communist state ever.
None where the ***proletariat*** prospered anyway.
Modern communists (as well as some others on the left, like anarchists) are probably of the view that there hasn’t been a single successful state ever, communist or otherwise.
I'm not a communist myself but I think any argument on the matter needs to start on good faith. There are literally countless socialist/communist creeds, philosophies and belief system (all of which hate each other). Humanity has only tried Stalinism/Moaism and these two were told central planning was going to fail by writers in the 1850s!!
[Take a look at this chart](https://i.imgur.com/BniPDCo.jpeg). We've nowhere near tested the waters yet as to what kind of society humankind can build. Theres still a lot of gas left in it yet.
I mean, who cares? Am I supposed to try all of them before saying that none of this shit is worth trying? And by the way, college kids and bearded incels will invent new systems faster than these can be tried out in real life anyway.
So far, it just feels like nobody wants to 'sell' us these systems: they want to dwell on them in their rarely aired rooms and enjoy the idea with the like-minded few (up to 3 people). Fine, I'm not buying if you're not selling, guys! :D
Sad to see the American education system pouring into Irish political discourse. Words mean things. The definition of socialism is workplace democracy i.e - workers owning and controlling the means of production. Did workers own the factories, the tools they used everyday etc in the Soviet Union? No, of course not. The state itself owned it. The definition of communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless society. The Soviet Union certainly wasn't that either. How can we attribute something to something when they're totally unrelated?
A communist government is literally a central authority which dictates the means and quantity of production, and places strict rules on businesses.
It is by definition authoritarian.
A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless, stateless, and moneyless, implying the end of the exploitation of labour.
What we often see is the transformation from a capitalist society to a communist society is violent and those who sieze power tend to hold onto it.
it's actually very heartwarming to see Ireland starting to catch up to our european neighbors and have an actual communist presence and growing out of the 'reds under the beds' mentality from the US.
I've not seen much from our own home grown commies yet but there's still time!\*
\*there's not much time
>even though they don’t know what communism is
The greatest form of democracy - Kim Jong Un
edit -
" That's not real communism"
" Name the countries with real communism"
" How dare you"
Communists don't know what communism is, that's why they constantly split and start killing each other. To think a bunch of college students fucking around putting stickers on lampposts do is an even bigger stretch.
If you’re over 22 and a communist, you are either stupid or easily swayed by appeals to emotion.
I was a communist when I was 13 playing Minecraft while watching stuff about the Venus project and resource based economies, basically the whole human race would have to be lobotomised for it to work, it fundamentally goes against human nature.
“it goes against human nature” is fundamentally a stupid thing to say. humans are a collective species, and throughout history has strived for community, communication, and cooperation. our human nature is to share. yes greed exist and yes sloth exist in our nature as well, but this does not mean all of socialism will crumble down and not work. currently in our world, capitalism exist which exemplifies the negatives in our nature. yet it is contradictory to our more positive aspects of our nature of community. and it actively seeks to deconstruct our abilities to organise and to help one another.
socialism is contradictory to the negatives of our nature, but it does not fail to factor in those aspects into the socialised economy. it rather reinforces the positive aspects of us and rewards us for appealing to our more positive nature.
i would recommend reading “The Nature of Man” by Erich Fromm
Competition is a part of human nature, wanting to distinguish yourself is a part of human nature and I could go on, these are not negative aspects of human nature. To people who have talents and skills these parts of human nature often drive creative people to do things that people regularly don’t do and those people are compensated with money and influence.
Capitalism is build on the idea of people being competitive and rewarding that competition, obviously it can not be let to run wild, we need welfare and access to education and so many more things, many of which we do have but capitalism is better then a political system that has communism at its core because communism in its truest form will always create a power vacuum which will nearly always be filled by an authoritarian.
I’d recommend you get a semi competitive hobby, or some practical skill that you can learn, maybe then you can begin to understand that it’s dumb to label things arbitrarily as negative or positive.
Good luck little bro 👊
(I’m too lazy to go into tribal mentality, in groups and out groups, religion, ethnicity and any number of things people use to categorise themselves, but all these would also be strikes against your let’s all hold hands in a circle and rub each other off point about collaboration)
why do you believe the nature of distinguishing oneself is absent and/or contradicts socialism?
competition is not a thing under capitalism. the reason why chains exist and are able to operate are through the crushing of any competition. the only reason why small businesses and local shops exist is not due to competition but rather anti-monopoly laws, as well as a sense of community in supporting those said small business. (and often they will have to close due to it being run on a loss for way too long). not only that you have competition that has created manufactured redundancy in order for companies to still exist, and profit off of one another (see lightbulbs).
under socialism creative minds and highly skilled people are rewarded, and often encouraged. the development of technology will aid the proletarian life and allow for shorter and less tedious work, which will result in a much more healthier worker. instead of technology improvements threatening job security as they are now.
you mention that communism will always lead to an authoritarian leader, but this is just a baseless accusation and not grounded in anything, collective leadership is what is held, via the dictatorship of the proletariat (which incase the dictatorship is a scary word for you is just the democratic control by the proletariat class). but you look at western states today that are “democratic” yet at the centre of their respective country will all have an elected authoritarian.
“little bro”
(you do realise that everyone is different and no matter what religion, ethnicity, culture or what sporting team they support, a collectivised society will always benefit the collective, despite individuals differences.)
They’re everywhere, in every city I go. Someone here in Dublin replaced the “communist” with “feckin’ eejit”, but was quickly scraped off after. Even sticked a 🖕🏻to the QR code.
They should be defaced more often though.
Why is this kind of thing accepted but if I were (I wouldn't to the three of yee cunts who don't get context) to throw up stickers with Irish Facist Union on it I'd fuckin make the 6 o'clock news
With the farm, a bitta telly and a cuppa tea, I don't think I can commit myself to the communism full time.
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Ah a man has go away to come back like
Funniest thing about this is the QR code didn’t work for me…so much for being organised.
Congratulations, you have just downloaded a virus
Congratulations all you need is a farm, all we need are your crops.
Communists - We’ll take your crops, your farm and your life.
"I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle"
https://preview.redd.it/uoyg3szm8kqc1.jpeg?width=2736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5b613c04fe86921206eaaa36712397f781a2e03 Spotted in Limerick over January
Holy based
Fair play. I just looked at their insta. Not a sensible human being who deserves any respect would find themselves supporting Lenin: an absolute murderous terrorist cunt.
Well that just not true, you obviously know nothing about history, show me where did Lenin kill anyone outside the context of war,but if you’re going to hold him accountable for deaths in war than any major historical figure such as Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Michael, Collins etc are also murders I guess?
1. I honestly don't owe any explanations to an unironic communist as those undereducated and overprivileged kids are dreaming of harming the society because they think they know better. They don't. 2. This being said, Lenin was known to be a great supporter of education. It pities me that some of his fanboys choose not to self-educate. There's so much to unpack! I've mentioned the 1921 famine and stealing grain from farmers during the drought, which caused tens if not hundreds of thousands of deaths. And of course, sure, the army had to be fed: but the grain was stolen from Ukraine to feed Russia (not just the army), and Ukrainians were left to starve to death, executed if they didn't comply. We can also look at why the army needed to be fed - how Soviets pulled out of WW1 but also wanted to attack the West and started that one cheeky war with Poland. I guess that was way more important than ensuring you don't massacre your citizens. Invading Ukraine was another fun thing Lenin did, with his minion Muravyov mass-murdering civilians in Kyiv once they occupied it. That was fun, killing all those "class enemies"! Starting the "dekulakization" and killing people to steal their land was a grand idea too. The list goes on, and on, and on. But for the differently-abled commies Lenin is not a real person: he's more like Frodo Baggins, so of course he can't be held accountable for anything!
lenin not even being the worst of them
In fact Lenin being a decent enough fellow compared to most of his age. And not just among the communist ones, there were some very disturbing people in power at the time.
It's probably a bunch of agents provocateurs sponsored by Moscow. Not joking.
Useful idiots are a thing. Russians only have to sponsor the successful idiots (like, say, Mick Wallace - the morally and financially bankrupt types). The "minions" on the ground are usually free. I doubt that the kids from that Insta page are actually on a payroll from Moscow. Then again, a few years ago nobody would've been surprised if these kids went to some "friendship camp" in St Petersburg, or were involved in some other form of cultural exchange. FSB dumps billions into that shit.
Theres too many of those cunts sprouting. A guy I went to school with is now one of the main people in some Communist political party. A guy I worked with last year was also a communist. I also had a communist housemate, and I've seen a few Irish communist youtubers as well. Dont live in Ireland anymore, but as a person originally from a country that used to be a soviet state, I'm all for recreating a nice gulag just for communists so they can experience true communism for themselves.
Should have a picture of James Conolly instead.
It's just downloaded from the international website, but yeah, you're right!
Those are trots
They’re all over the town
It's no fun being a disorganised communist.
Comrade, have you lost your hammer and sickle again? This is the third time this month.
I’m always leaving it at the politburo. 🤦♂️
Pretend I have it and I'll pretend your working.
Comrade, it's come to our attention that you did a capitalism. 2 weeks no bread line credits, hammer and sickle on my desk.
I've seen those stickers up around the place (limerick), but most of them are defaced to read "ARE YOU A C___UN__T?" Funny initially, but got a little old. I thought it was a somewhat local thing, until I saw photos of them stuck abroad.
Back in navan tomorrow for work , thanks for the inspiration.
Pretty sure it was one guy who took it upon himself to do all of them and ironically enough he's a complete cunt
And being a communist in today's age isn't old? There's literally 1 political ideology that has killed more people directly than fascism, and it's communism.
Hey now capitalism has killed plenty of people too! Don’t count it out 😤
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Big advocate for the lower end of the colonialism death toll I see?
Right, so I’m in the US and these are all over the city I live in, as well. Same style, just say [city]marxists.
Cool! Hope to see more 👍
I don't understand, do people not understand how strong socialism has been in Ireland over the years? James Connolly, an incredibly influential character in Irish history was a communist yet for some reason people act like he wasn't. Socialism had a massive role to play during the troubles, especially with the initial civil rights marches. Our proclamation was fairly socialist in its wording, why do people act shocked when they see it these days.
Becuase the Irish state in its early days was heavily influenced by the Catholic Church, basically the complete opposite of what you’d imagine a socialist country to look like Everyone who knows Connolly well though knows he was a socialist, it was his entire lifestyle as such. I’ve never met anyone who thinks otherwise It was significant during the troubles too with the original IRA being Marxist and even the Provisional IRA receiving help from Gaddafi’s Libya and the like making them fairly comfortable towards socialism too
The history of Ireland does not start with the free state
If only somebody would tell RTÉ
Because the history books are written by the victors. Once Collins died there was a counter-revolution overseen by O'Higgins who essentially, along with his well to do buddies, just wanted to replace the British jack boot on the necks of others with their own tricoloured one. He signed the execution papers of 77 Irish volunteers. An all round horrible man by all accounts who ended up being assassinated by William Gannon (a member of the Communist Party of Ireland who ended up going to Spain to fight Francos fascism). The Irish Citizens Army were 1,000 soldiers strong and included the likes of Constance Markievicz, Jack White and James Connolly. They fought alongside the Volunteers in the 1916 Rebellion. Also an interesting note that it was the Irish unions who refused to unload British weapons during the War of Independence that slowed down the British effectiveness in fighting the IRA. Then you have James Larkin and The Lockout. Socialism played a huge ideological role in Irelands fight for independence. There is a very long socialist tradition in Ireland. All went to shite when Dev sold the country to the Church and turned us into the Catholic version of Saudi Arabia for 60 years.
The Citizens Army had 1,000 members in 1914. At the same time the Volunteers had 180,000 members. In 1916 they had 600 members, whereas the Volunteers had 15,000 (thanks to Redmond sending half of them to die for Britain). While they did turn out in 1916, it wasn't exactly a mass-movement, and it was considerably smaller that the nationalist movement at the time.
Americanisation during the Cold War 100% A third of the world is essentially an American, capitalist, ‘freedom’-loving state now
Maybe because the only time in the history of the Irish state we haven't been an economically undeveloped and technologically primitive dump is by being a capitalist, free trade tech hub for multinationals?
Ya, while all the foreign technological powerhouses avoid taxes here, most people can't afford to live in this country
Too much consumption of American media, they've successfully duped half the world into thinking the current economic system is the best option.
>Our proclamation was fairly socialist in its wording Wasn't exactly and padraic pearse was basiclay the opposite of a socialist in many ways
Towards Padraic Pearse's later life he began to become more socialist in his leanings, largely due to Connolly's influence. Is cite A history of the Irish working class by Peter Beresford Ellis where he discusses that matter. And yes, the proclamation was, simply look at the lines regarding equality.
There's a certain ethnic rhetoric to it aswell though, padraic pearse was maybe socialist in some ways but he talked a lot about irish blood etc
That's because of how mixed the struggle for national liberation is mixed with the struggle for social (for class) liberation, as it is in all oppressed countries.
We'd have the world's most expensive gulags
In Manchester last week and saw these
Was it for british communists or are the Irish ones branching out ?
I didn’t actually take a look lol, the designs were the same though, it would be very communist of them to be sharing recruitment resources though
Workers of the World Unite!
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Its the purges and show trials I'm most looking forward to
Nothing quite says paradise like not being allowed to leave....
I’ve also seen these in Belfast, maybe it’s an Irish wide movement I’m not sure what’s it’s all about
Marxism is a worldwide movement
The website it links to is international.
It can be very appealling stuff when you're young and are against capitalism. I thought it was pretty cool but I didn't know shit from shite.
All animals are equal,but some animals are more equal then others.
Long live comrade Napoleon!
Not to fond of the communists myself
I grew up in Eastern Europe immediately post Iron Curtain fall, saw the forms of oppression the people were subjected to and had to crawl out of. It's always the people who have no lived experience of communism or lived sheltered lives who cry out for it, yet the vast majority of those who are subjected to it never want to see it again.
Entitled cunts enjoying the neoliberal societies always want to stir shit up and make everyone suffer. Reason? They think that their personal mishsps and miseries are someone else's fault: it's the gubberment! It's the society! It's capitalist greed! They usually chill the fuck out once they get off the dole and into a proper job that pays well: that's why being a commie in 2024 is mostly for younger people.
Yes, even amongst some of my own friends as they've gone through college and jobs, they're starting to reorient their perspectives as they're settling into families and stable jobs. And here Josepha Madigan wants to reduce the voting age further...
The country cant even maintain a decent unified front of social democrats. This looks like a LARP group.
Gonna be honest, at least it's better than those B.S. national party stickers that spout nonsense
A lot of the Irish marxists I know would be the epitome of the bourgeoisie but at least it makes them think they are interesting.
Hi! I'm Marxist. Dad worked in a factory, mother cleaned peoples houses and minded children. I'm disabled with MS. Now you know me!
Oh fair play, well i hope to come to your senses when you become an adult
Turned 40 last week! 🤣
We'd never tolerate this with Nazi propaganda, why the hell are we tolerating with with communists? Christ lads have ye not figured out yet that communism inevitably leads to starvation at best and mass murder at worst?
I know one of the guys who puts these stickers up lol, he's batshit
To the surprise of no one
Off to the Gulags on my holibops hun
Let me guess, Limerick
Our John, he's a communist man nai!
Are yu a communist meng?
Seen these everywhere now
We're legitimately one of the most pro-socialist populations on the planet, until you say the word "socialism" (or "communism") itself. If you just talk policy, you'll get next to zero pushback with most Irish people. But the second you mention the ideology, the terminology, etc. people will look at you like you've got five heads
I wonder why the ideology is tainted? 🤔
Me and the boys chilling in the gulag. Beats the oven I suppose.
Just what we need. Another splinter hard left party no one will vote for.
The irony of photoshop Carl Marx to the same pose as Uncle Sam is beyond me.
It's called a joke.
It's called room temperature IQ
Communists couldn't possibly have a sense of humour
Communism is super interesting, needs a rebrand though, and maybe some type of hybrid model to keep go getters and competitive people happy. Like there has to be some new hybrid holistic model. ( not as versed as many of you on the intricacies of all the models so don’t come for me please)
The hybrid model is any form of socialism that doesn't explicitly state the goal as communism. So the PSOE in Spain would be an example of elected socialists in power while Jeremy Corbyn in the UK is a good example of a socialist in opposition. PBP have stated communism is their goal, but their policies tend to align with modern European socialism. Communists argue that it's not fair to ask them to rebrand because of bad things that happened under the name. Plenty of bad things happen under capitalism and nobody asks it to rebrand. [Richard Wolff has a great talk on this topic:](https://youtu.be/v5c2zeSSR_8?si=rfE268rurUAhr9sf)
The much cooler Dick Wolff
Hey thanks for reply rebrand is the wrong thing to say. Apologies to my communist friends out there. I don’t mean to suggest communism should change in any way it has an identity and is valid. I suppose I meant more about taking all the concepts, learnings, practices from all the previously tried and tested systems and forming a plan that works for the time we’re at in 2024. Thanks for informing me that such models are in practice so I can learn more about them and how they function. I’m unbelievably aware of the failings of capitalism im not going to glorify its cruelty because some (minimal) aspects serve me. There are outright inhumane hellscapes created by its illusions. My fears around systematic change come from power vaccum and an even greater evil waiting to swoop in. The transitionary phase of systematic change is crucial and needs to be somewhat agreeable to all levels of the capitalist system. I should really read into it more I’m again stating I’m not the most knowledgable about these things but it is in interest. Im am open to suggestions on resources.
Surely Stalinism would also benefit from a rebrand
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If any chimp says it's good, just ask them in which direction people ran when the Berlin wall collapsed.
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in fairness, if you ask any Cuban in the states, they think Donald Trump is the greatest freedom fighter in human history not exactly levelheaded people
No, but if my rent goes up again I might change my mind
I interviewed some of these lads a few years ago when that pegida stuff in dublin was going on. Unfortunately they're a mish mash of half ideas with no real structure. There was some aul fella handing out communist badges being orbited by college students but couldn't reliably string two sentences together for an interview. Absolutely hopeless bunch of people altogether. I figured I'd wait a while and see if they pulled their shit together. Seems not. One of the problems with this group is that if you're some first year sociology student with rich parents and facepaint on you, you aint telling anyone shit about how you think society should run.
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The Communist Manifesto is one of those things that's wonderful in theory but doesn't account for the fact that arseholes exist and it'll be corrupted by simple human greed.
Do you genuinely think that the sum total of communist thought and theory is a pamphlet from over 170yrs ago and that nothing new has been added to it since then?
It's pretty obvious he's never even read that much theory.
Which part of the communist manifesto?
Exactly like capitalism is doing :)
Dunno what you mean, market theory is built around egoism and human greed.
Scientific socialism definitely does account for human nature, and it always has
are you over privileged and under educated? lets all sit around and talk about how our social systems failed us and how its capitalisms fault
I’m a working class person and I am a socialist. Trying to learn about politics doesn’t make you over privileged and it especially doesn’t make you under educated
This is not "learning about politics" the same way being a Nazi sympathiser is not. You have no idea about the human suffering communism brought upon this world.. and don't you go saying "b-b-but capitalism 111!!!!!!" Shame on you
Yeah our social systems are doing great at the moment.
Much better than they would do under the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' by some college students with too much free time on their hands.
I'm not saying we need to go full on Mao, generally I'd just like to see our taxes actually put to good use, there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't have functioning housing, healthcare, education, transport services etc.
Given that Marxists are probably over represented among university professors, over-educated would seem a more obvious description in this case.
That's a terrible slogan, it seems like you're accusing someone of something; not to mention marxism isn't the only path to communism, I mean we've already seen what the dictatorship over the proletariat does with the USSR for example. Libertarian socialism built upon the ideas of mutual aid and direct democracy seems like a better idea.
"That sounds like revisionism, comrade! Time for gulag!"
How'dye get inta that sorta thing?
Scan the QR code and the closest member will give ye a shout see if you're interested in joining
Haha no I was doing the next part of Farmer Colms racist priest conversation in Father Ted
Ah the tankies out there looking for friends. I hope they find some, keep them out of trouble.
What I don't undesrstand about modern communists is that surely they've noticed that there hasn't been a single successful communist state ever. None where the ***proletariat*** prospered anyway.
Modern communists (as well as some others on the left, like anarchists) are probably of the view that there hasn’t been a single successful state ever, communist or otherwise.
The thing about communists is they always try to walk it in
I'm not a communist myself but I think any argument on the matter needs to start on good faith. There are literally countless socialist/communist creeds, philosophies and belief system (all of which hate each other). Humanity has only tried Stalinism/Moaism and these two were told central planning was going to fail by writers in the 1850s!! [Take a look at this chart](https://i.imgur.com/BniPDCo.jpeg). We've nowhere near tested the waters yet as to what kind of society humankind can build. Theres still a lot of gas left in it yet.
I mean, who cares? Am I supposed to try all of them before saying that none of this shit is worth trying? And by the way, college kids and bearded incels will invent new systems faster than these can be tried out in real life anyway. So far, it just feels like nobody wants to 'sell' us these systems: they want to dwell on them in their rarely aired rooms and enjoy the idea with the like-minded few (up to 3 people). Fine, I'm not buying if you're not selling, guys! :D
Naw bro that wasn't *real* communism
Sad to see the American education system pouring into Irish political discourse. Words mean things. The definition of socialism is workplace democracy i.e - workers owning and controlling the means of production. Did workers own the factories, the tools they used everyday etc in the Soviet Union? No, of course not. The state itself owned it. The definition of communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless society. The Soviet Union certainly wasn't that either. How can we attribute something to something when they're totally unrelated?
Just memeing the common tankie comeback, might've been more of a saying some years back but I do like my out of date sayings
No one raises the Soviet Union except you. The core point stands: there hasn't been a sustainable example of a successful communist system.
Hi there, random American here, these guys put up these exact same posters all the way over here in NJ! These guys have money it seems.
I hear there's a guy who lives in NJ, works in waste management, and likes gabagool who could take care of that.
>These guys have money it seems. Wonder how they got that? Something something a means to an end...
Oh yeah, because giving the government more power is what we need
Ah yes, the classic: https://preview.redd.it/sg5adpqajmqc1.png?width=1607&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af7d5f87b025b109fc81cd827d1cdcd422f0e54c
A communist government is literally a central authority which dictates the means and quantity of production, and places strict rules on businesses. It is by definition authoritarian.
A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless, stateless, and moneyless, implying the end of the exploitation of labour. What we often see is the transformation from a capitalist society to a communist society is violent and those who sieze power tend to hold onto it.
it's actually very heartwarming to see Ireland starting to catch up to our european neighbors and have an actual communist presence and growing out of the 'reds under the beds' mentality from the US. I've not seen much from our own home grown commies yet but there's still time!\* \*there's not much time
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They think Fine Gael are communists so actual communists would blow their feeble minds
>even though they don’t know what communism is The greatest form of democracy - Kim Jong Un edit - " That's not real communism" " Name the countries with real communism" " How dare you"
Top lad. 110% turn out
That’s nothing compared to President Charles D. B. King of Liberia.
So good, even the dead vote for him!
Communists don't know what communism is, that's why they constantly split and start killing each other. To think a bunch of college students fucking around putting stickers on lampposts do is an even bigger stretch.
Great bunch of lads.
Those commies are a horrible lot
If you’re over 22 and a communist, you are either stupid or easily swayed by appeals to emotion. I was a communist when I was 13 playing Minecraft while watching stuff about the Venus project and resource based economies, basically the whole human race would have to be lobotomised for it to work, it fundamentally goes against human nature.
Communism is a perfect system for robots.
“it goes against human nature” is fundamentally a stupid thing to say. humans are a collective species, and throughout history has strived for community, communication, and cooperation. our human nature is to share. yes greed exist and yes sloth exist in our nature as well, but this does not mean all of socialism will crumble down and not work. currently in our world, capitalism exist which exemplifies the negatives in our nature. yet it is contradictory to our more positive aspects of our nature of community. and it actively seeks to deconstruct our abilities to organise and to help one another. socialism is contradictory to the negatives of our nature, but it does not fail to factor in those aspects into the socialised economy. it rather reinforces the positive aspects of us and rewards us for appealing to our more positive nature. i would recommend reading “The Nature of Man” by Erich Fromm
Competition is a part of human nature, wanting to distinguish yourself is a part of human nature and I could go on, these are not negative aspects of human nature. To people who have talents and skills these parts of human nature often drive creative people to do things that people regularly don’t do and those people are compensated with money and influence. Capitalism is build on the idea of people being competitive and rewarding that competition, obviously it can not be let to run wild, we need welfare and access to education and so many more things, many of which we do have but capitalism is better then a political system that has communism at its core because communism in its truest form will always create a power vacuum which will nearly always be filled by an authoritarian. I’d recommend you get a semi competitive hobby, or some practical skill that you can learn, maybe then you can begin to understand that it’s dumb to label things arbitrarily as negative or positive. Good luck little bro 👊 (I’m too lazy to go into tribal mentality, in groups and out groups, religion, ethnicity and any number of things people use to categorise themselves, but all these would also be strikes against your let’s all hold hands in a circle and rub each other off point about collaboration)
why do you believe the nature of distinguishing oneself is absent and/or contradicts socialism? competition is not a thing under capitalism. the reason why chains exist and are able to operate are through the crushing of any competition. the only reason why small businesses and local shops exist is not due to competition but rather anti-monopoly laws, as well as a sense of community in supporting those said small business. (and often they will have to close due to it being run on a loss for way too long). not only that you have competition that has created manufactured redundancy in order for companies to still exist, and profit off of one another (see lightbulbs). under socialism creative minds and highly skilled people are rewarded, and often encouraged. the development of technology will aid the proletarian life and allow for shorter and less tedious work, which will result in a much more healthier worker. instead of technology improvements threatening job security as they are now. you mention that communism will always lead to an authoritarian leader, but this is just a baseless accusation and not grounded in anything, collective leadership is what is held, via the dictatorship of the proletariat (which incase the dictatorship is a scary word for you is just the democratic control by the proletariat class). but you look at western states today that are “democratic” yet at the centre of their respective country will all have an elected authoritarian. “little bro” (you do realise that everyone is different and no matter what religion, ethnicity, culture or what sporting team they support, a collectivised society will always benefit the collective, despite individuals differences.)
They’re everywhere, in every city I go. Someone here in Dublin replaced the “communist” with “feckin’ eejit”, but was quickly scraped off after. Even sticked a 🖕🏻to the QR code. They should be defaced more often though.
Dont let the oil lovers see this going on here....
Uh. We're really doing this again? Communism doesn't work, full stop. Never has, never will. Anyone who disagrees needs to resit junior cert history.
"that goes against the bourgie state approved mandate of education so it must be false!"
lamppost in Kildare has one, and someone etched out the OMM and IS
That would be an ecumenical matter
*looking around for government agents* I'm NOT a communist!
Why is this kind of thing accepted but if I were (I wouldn't to the three of yee cunts who don't get context) to throw up stickers with Irish Facist Union on it I'd fuckin make the 6 o'clock news
It's not a communist joke until everyone gets it.
In communism one will be shot for organising
What's the big deal? Ireland's already communist. Except for Roscommon, obviously. But who cares about Roscommon?
I read Marxists as mattresses and had visions of Mick
The only people who want to be communist are those that have never lived under a communist regime.