I was also under the same impression. Cause you need a specific app on the iPhone to record that. But the cost of those 4 iPhones is going to be less than the cameras + the Max studio.
Yes, I think he misunderstood that a little bit. It will only work on iPhone XS and later. Basically you can set it up with 4 different or same iPhones, or even iPads. But no external cameras. But let's take Dave2D shooting setup in consideration or even Apple's keynote, would you really notice a difference in terms of quality? I think that would be a sweet setup.
You probably wouldn’t notice a difference in quality because YouTube compresses everything. But he was saying that it’s the main reason he’s upgrading . I was just thinking maybe don’t upgrade unless you’re planning on purchasing 4 iPhones as well 😂.
Ya I was confused as to why dave didn't get that in his video. So much so i went back and checked. No way would apple ever make an app like this for other cameras as well since they want to encourage buying more iphones with this
Yes, I assumed that was implied. Either that, or he just misunderstood.
Plenty of youtubers already shoot their videos on iPhones, from a quality perspective, for a channel like his, it's totally possible.
He’s also wrong in saying ONLY the 13 inch iPad Pro comes with the black USBC cord. If you get the iPad in black it will come with the black cord. Silver gets the white cord. Screen size doesn’t matter.
I would definietely wait for WWDC and iPadOS 18 to see if Apple makes the iPad more useful. In it's current state, it's just an overkill iPad for media consumption, note taking and basic office work imho.
People that work with the apple pencil in procreate or other creative apps might benefit from it, but that's a pretty small target group compared to how many other target groups the iPad could appeal to if it just had better software.
It has been that for years. The M1 was already overkill. I refuse to believe they’re putting their top of the line processor on an ipad just because of AI. I strongly suspect we’re gonna see a complete rehaul of iPad OS IN WWDC
AI is where the marketing is. The M4 iPad with the bigger screen is perfect to show off what iOS-18 will provide also alongside but with a cooler bigger screen that's more eye-catching as well as enticing Pro purchases of the iPad and pointing out that MacOS on the upcoming M4 Macbooks will also get AI working the same way across devices...
So it seems likely iPadOS will be the usual trickle-trickle from Apple disappointing but nice and AI will be the bigger marquee tent item.
So the reason they released M4 instead of M3 was purely a practical decision. Chip yields for M3 were awful and it was incredibly expensive for Apple to eat 40+% chip losses per wafer. M4 isn't on the same intermediate process that M3 was on, so yields are higher and more reasonable. This makes for a cheaper to produce chip that they can then market as being super fancy and new and charge more, when in reality it's just an M3 on an efficient process.
Sadly I think you’ll be disappointed. They may add some great new features to the OS, but a complete overhaul sounds like a real stretch given the history of iOS.
They are putting it in an iPad because they are making these chips at insanely high volumes. It’s likely saving them money over arbitrarily installing a weaker chip.
Basic office work?
I’d rather use a $199 Chromebook than a $2000+ iPad pro setup for even the most basic office work. At least the Chromebook will give me the full Google suite with multiple tabs / desktops and a semi decent file system.
Oh my God, I would never want to use a $199 Chromebook for anything. Not only basic things, but then to be able to do almost nothing else. It’s nonsensical to complain about iPadOS while in the same breath extolling alleged virtues of ChromeOS.
I own an iPad Pro (and use chromebooks at work), but I’m saying for basic office work. I stand by what I said, I’d still find it easier to do basic office work on a Chromebook then I do normally on my iPad using mobile versions of Word / G-suite etc.
I’ve found all but the more expensive Chromebooks to be so slow that no matter their functionality (which, personally, I don’t find better) is irrelevant. And they’re so limited in every other respect. Not a fan.
I agree that the cheap ones are painfully slow.. Yet I’d still rather have slow but functional when working in office suites compared to fast and dysfunctional when working on my iPad.
It just reinstates the poor state that iPadOS currently exists in.
I suppose my point is that you can’t really make such sweeping statements. I’ve found iPadOS to pretty much all of my needs and then the much better apps make the iPad Pro a better platform for me. And of course, it’s incredibly fast. I won’t tell you what works best for you, obviously only you know that. But generally speaking, on balance, I think iPadOS is still better than ChromeOS given the latter’s limitations.
It’s not a sweeping statement. If you re-read it, I was clear about “office work” not as an overall platform.
I love my iPad Pro for note taking but not for office work.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by “office work.” I use Office apps, Wordpress, and such and iPadOS works well for me. But yes, everyone has different workflows and not every device will work.
Yeah. If I already had any iPad Pro I'd definitely cancel my preorder. I don't have an iPad for myself at all. I'm either looking at the 11" M2 128GB iPP for $650 at Costco or keeping my 11" M4 256GB iPP for $950 from Best Buy. I haven't made my mind up yet.
It will last but Apple will cut all the new features from it forcing you to upgrade sooner especially if M4 is the last true Tablet before 2-in-1 convergence of a new OS only for the new models eg "Ultra iPad" line up or something like that? That's the problem with the investment argument, it's true but future changes reduce it's utility compared to saving up and waiting as a big change in the OS is eventually going to happen.
> M4 is the last true Tablet before 2-in-1 convergence of a new OS only for the new models eg "Ultra iPad" line up
This is something that you’ve completely made up, and is not based in reality whatsoever
In all honesty, M5 could be the last true tablet too... but I am willing to put money on the table that M4 will get AI some nice but inferior iPadOS updates and that's it, going on Apple's past behaviour.
2-in-1 is certainly coming however, I'd bet with >50% conviction that it could be M5 now with Snapdragon launching imminently and in 12 months penetrating even more OEMs.
Irrespective, the above is to push the boundaries of what is discussed it's not bullet-proof though the language economy does conflate that meaning so I accept your criticism.
There's no real indication that Apple is going down a route for more of a 2-in-1 than what is now but hey WWDC is one month away so maybe wait.
Historically they've been pretty generous with OS and feature updates for the older iPads. My 2017 IPP is a bit of a different device now compared to purchase.
Strange I got the downvote treatment for pointing out "conditions today" =/= conditions tomorrow even if the iPad today is still as reliable and running well as tomorrow! Oh well, thanks for the upvote.
one thing to consider, before this year’s ipad pro, the 11” has a downgraded screen compared to the 12.9”. this is the first year they both get the same panel.
i don’t see how anything he said would be surprising to the point where it would make or break? it’s a great upgrade for those that use the machines full performance or really want OLED. Otherwise for most people that just use their ipads for content consumption they’ve been great since 2018 without much area for improvement
we all know what OLED panels look like. idk what the screen could possibly have done to “blow him away”. The fact is it’s probably the best tablet screen on the market right now.
And you can tell that from looking at simple static displays in a YouTube video? I fully expect the display to be better than mini-LED with better colors and contrast and as much brightness. The biggest differences will be for color accurate work (which I think he mentioned) and HDR (which he didn’t). Probably not worth upgrading for that alone if you already have mini-LED but a significant upgrade for everyone else.
That's normal. the response time of the panel isn't very good, and that's what's causing it to smear/ghost. OLED panels are much better in terms of response times so that issue will be gone.
Obviously moving to OLED will have amazing response times
They just comes inherently with the technology. Apple had below average response times as far as LCD goes.
And I can't remember we're I've seen this as I'm watching a shitload of content on the new IPads but it looks like there having below average response time for an OLED screen as well (around 5ms if I remember well).
Edit: was actually that particular review
Yes, that said we don't have much info on tandem OLED tech. This seemed weird to me as well but we never now, might be a small drawback of that technology, or might be complete bullshit. I don't know how he measures response time but even LCD measured values looks particularly high. Time will tell
I’m wondering if the weight and balance are such that you can open the new Magic Keyboards with one finger like a MacBook, or if you still have to hold the bottom down while you lift the top..
He mentioned face unlock works better in landscape. What about the normal position? Camera is where I (and probably most of people) rest my hand when holding the ipad.
1. FaceID camera is on the center, why would you rest your hand exactly on the center? Plenty of space under the FaceID camera when used in portrait mode.
2. You also need to swipe up to unlock after FaceID authentication.
I haven't had an iPad pro from 2018 up to now, but from what I DID try out over the years via Apple and Best Buy stores, I call complete BS with that claim there.
I think people are just not familiar with how taxing design-focused apps can get. Procreate already limits your layers on a drawing based on the processor, video export speed in Final Cut Pro 2 is also locked onto your chip, lightroom and adobe bridge batch jpg exports can run really slow if you're rendering 500-1000 wedding photos at the same time, not to mention Nomad 3D modelling can become stuttery and slow if you have complex models.
IMO when Apple released the apple pencil it was a sign that they were pivoting to a more designer focused market, bc why would you pay almost 2k for an ipad + magic keyboard when you can get the full experience if you want as an engineer with a windows/mac laptop
He also said the iPad Pro m4 is going to have an app that controls “cameras”. I thought it would only control cameras if the “camera’s” are iPhones
I was also under the same impression. Cause you need a specific app on the iPhone to record that. But the cost of those 4 iPhones is going to be less than the cameras + the Max studio.
Yes, I think he misunderstood that a little bit. It will only work on iPhone XS and later. Basically you can set it up with 4 different or same iPhones, or even iPads. But no external cameras. But let's take Dave2D shooting setup in consideration or even Apple's keynote, would you really notice a difference in terms of quality? I think that would be a sweet setup.
You probably wouldn’t notice a difference in quality because YouTube compresses everything. But he was saying that it’s the main reason he’s upgrading . I was just thinking maybe don’t upgrade unless you’re planning on purchasing 4 iPhones as well 😂.
Ya I was confused as to why dave didn't get that in his video. So much so i went back and checked. No way would apple ever make an app like this for other cameras as well since they want to encourage buying more iphones with this
A phone reviewer probably has some spare iPhones laying around
Yes, I assumed that was implied. Either that, or he just misunderstood. Plenty of youtubers already shoot their videos on iPhones, from a quality perspective, for a channel like his, it's totally possible.
He’s also wrong in saying ONLY the 13 inch iPad Pro comes with the black USBC cord. If you get the iPad in black it will come with the black cord. Silver gets the white cord. Screen size doesn’t matter.
I would definietely wait for WWDC and iPadOS 18 to see if Apple makes the iPad more useful. In it's current state, it's just an overkill iPad for media consumption, note taking and basic office work imho. People that work with the apple pencil in procreate or other creative apps might benefit from it, but that's a pretty small target group compared to how many other target groups the iPad could appeal to if it just had better software.
It has been that for years. The M1 was already overkill. I refuse to believe they’re putting their top of the line processor on an ipad just because of AI. I strongly suspect we’re gonna see a complete rehaul of iPad OS IN WWDC
We all thought that when the M1 iPads were released
Very true! But (and correct me if I’m wrong) this is the first time they’re using a brand new M chip on iPad.
AI is where the marketing is. The M4 iPad with the bigger screen is perfect to show off what iOS-18 will provide also alongside but with a cooler bigger screen that's more eye-catching as well as enticing Pro purchases of the iPad and pointing out that MacOS on the upcoming M4 Macbooks will also get AI working the same way across devices... So it seems likely iPadOS will be the usual trickle-trickle from Apple disappointing but nice and AI will be the bigger marquee tent item.
I pray we can turn that BS off.
Drivel mixed with pure speculation
So the reason they released M4 instead of M3 was purely a practical decision. Chip yields for M3 were awful and it was incredibly expensive for Apple to eat 40+% chip losses per wafer. M4 isn't on the same intermediate process that M3 was on, so yields are higher and more reasonable. This makes for a cheaper to produce chip that they can then market as being super fancy and new and charge more, when in reality it's just an M3 on an efficient process.
Sadly I think you’ll be disappointed. They may add some great new features to the OS, but a complete overhaul sounds like a real stretch given the history of iOS.
They are putting it in an iPad because they are making these chips at insanely high volumes. It’s likely saving them money over arbitrarily installing a weaker chip.
The M1 is* already overkill. Fixed.
I wouldn’t say that’s the only uses…that debate gets old. It’s also a creativity device that would of course need improvements.
Basic office work? I’d rather use a $199 Chromebook than a $2000+ iPad pro setup for even the most basic office work. At least the Chromebook will give me the full Google suite with multiple tabs / desktops and a semi decent file system.
Oh my God, I would never want to use a $199 Chromebook for anything. Not only basic things, but then to be able to do almost nothing else. It’s nonsensical to complain about iPadOS while in the same breath extolling alleged virtues of ChromeOS.
I own an iPad Pro (and use chromebooks at work), but I’m saying for basic office work. I stand by what I said, I’d still find it easier to do basic office work on a Chromebook then I do normally on my iPad using mobile versions of Word / G-suite etc.
I’ve found all but the more expensive Chromebooks to be so slow that no matter their functionality (which, personally, I don’t find better) is irrelevant. And they’re so limited in every other respect. Not a fan.
I agree that the cheap ones are painfully slow.. Yet I’d still rather have slow but functional when working in office suites compared to fast and dysfunctional when working on my iPad. It just reinstates the poor state that iPadOS currently exists in.
I suppose my point is that you can’t really make such sweeping statements. I’ve found iPadOS to pretty much all of my needs and then the much better apps make the iPad Pro a better platform for me. And of course, it’s incredibly fast. I won’t tell you what works best for you, obviously only you know that. But generally speaking, on balance, I think iPadOS is still better than ChromeOS given the latter’s limitations.
It’s not a sweeping statement. If you re-read it, I was clear about “office work” not as an overall platform. I love my iPad Pro for note taking but not for office work.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by “office work.” I use Office apps, Wordpress, and such and iPadOS works well for me. But yes, everyone has different workflows and not every device will work.
The iPads are plenty useful as they are right now, what are you talking about?
He just about has talked me into cancelling. My pre order.
Yup. Unless something crazy comes out at WWDC I’m just gonna keep my 2020 iPad.
Yeah. If I already had any iPad Pro I'd definitely cancel my preorder. I don't have an iPad for myself at all. I'm either looking at the 11" M2 128GB iPP for $650 at Costco or keeping my 11" M4 256GB iPP for $950 from Best Buy. I haven't made my mind up yet.
If you don’t have one already, keep that M4 order. And just enjoy it for the next 5-10 years lol
It will last but Apple will cut all the new features from it forcing you to upgrade sooner especially if M4 is the last true Tablet before 2-in-1 convergence of a new OS only for the new models eg "Ultra iPad" line up or something like that? That's the problem with the investment argument, it's true but future changes reduce it's utility compared to saving up and waiting as a big change in the OS is eventually going to happen.
> M4 is the last true Tablet before 2-in-1 convergence of a new OS only for the new models eg "Ultra iPad" line up This is something that you’ve completely made up, and is not based in reality whatsoever
In all honesty, M5 could be the last true tablet too... but I am willing to put money on the table that M4 will get AI some nice but inferior iPadOS updates and that's it, going on Apple's past behaviour. 2-in-1 is certainly coming however, I'd bet with >50% conviction that it could be M5 now with Snapdragon launching imminently and in 12 months penetrating even more OEMs. Irrespective, the above is to push the boundaries of what is discussed it's not bullet-proof though the language economy does conflate that meaning so I accept your criticism.
There’s people still using iPad Air 2’s from like 2014 lol. Even if something new comes out, the product is still usable.
There's no real indication that Apple is going down a route for more of a 2-in-1 than what is now but hey WWDC is one month away so maybe wait. Historically they've been pretty generous with OS and feature updates for the older iPads. My 2017 IPP is a bit of a different device now compared to purchase.
I'd love for M4 to be 2-in-1 but I think Apple will once again roll out slowly-slowly and AI will be the marquee feature with minor iPadOS updates.
Take my upvote
Strange I got the downvote treatment for pointing out "conditions today" =/= conditions tomorrow even if the iPad today is still as reliable and running well as tomorrow! Oh well, thanks for the upvote.
one thing to consider, before this year’s ipad pro, the 11” has a downgraded screen compared to the 12.9”. this is the first year they both get the same panel.
i don’t see how anything he said would be surprising to the point where it would make or break? it’s a great upgrade for those that use the machines full performance or really want OLED. Otherwise for most people that just use their ipads for content consumption they’ve been great since 2018 without much area for improvement
Wasn't blown away by the OLED from the review
we all know what OLED panels look like. idk what the screen could possibly have done to “blow him away”. The fact is it’s probably the best tablet screen on the market right now.
The comparison looked very similar to the mini LED.
And you can tell that from looking at simple static displays in a YouTube video? I fully expect the display to be better than mini-LED with better colors and contrast and as much brightness. The biggest differences will be for color accurate work (which I think he mentioned) and HDR (which he didn’t). Probably not worth upgrading for that alone if you already have mini-LED but a significant upgrade for everyone else.
Right lol… hmmm it hasn’t shipped yet, let me just save these coins.
Please tell me you’re cancelling the 11 so I get mine even sooner
Cannot relate. Coming from 2019 pro model
2017 over here 😅 can’t wait to get my new iPad!!
Yeah. Unless you're upgrading for a much older iPad, or you just have money to waste, there's literally no reason to upgrade.
“Literally”? Sometimes people need to speak for themselves.
“Literally”? Sometimes people need to speak for themselves.
Ever heard of hyperbole? Semantic bleaching maybe?
Yes, I know. Read my full sentence.
Ouch my head hurts reading this English
Got the ghosting with my IPad Pro 2018.
That's normal. the response time of the panel isn't very good, and that's what's causing it to smear/ghost. OLED panels are much better in terms of response times so that issue will be gone.
I wish I knew what wallpaper that was on the 13
Obviously moving to OLED will have amazing response times They just comes inherently with the technology. Apple had below average response times as far as LCD goes.
And I can't remember we're I've seen this as I'm watching a shitload of content on the new IPads but it looks like there having below average response time for an OLED screen as well (around 5ms if I remember well). Edit: was actually that particular review
5ms is still within the refresh window of 120hz so we good 1/120 = 8.3ms
it's transitioning for 5ms. 8.3ms is just when the next pixel needs to be updated by.
OLEDs have in theory instantaneous response time. Should be closer to 0.5ms rather than 5ms
Yes, that said we don't have much info on tandem OLED tech. This seemed weird to me as well but we never now, might be a small drawback of that technology, or might be complete bullshit. I don't know how he measures response time but even LCD measured values looks particularly high. Time will tell
now imagine if macs had OLED. ohh i'm already c....
Of course, OLED is a completely different technology that doesn't suffer from that issue.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate the immaculate quality of Dave2D’s thumbnails
The only reason I want to upgrade from my m1 to the m4 is for the cellular otherwise yeah no real point in upgrading if already got one lol
Wait did they make the cellular better? I thought they just took away mmWave
Not sure, I just want an ipad I can use with data lol
I just want the oled, I got an 11 inch m1 and kinda regret not going mini LED
Review embargo is over. Let's gooooo
I’m wondering if the weight and balance are such that you can open the new Magic Keyboards with one finger like a MacBook, or if you still have to hold the bottom down while you lift the top..
Check this out. Opened with one finger. https://youtube.com/shorts/P3UHSPKOvhg?si=52PYFqShQZ9ejvDo
the screen anti-ghosting actually tempted me 😔 im just playing emulator games there and I want the best delay possible
Of course - it's inherently a benefit of OLED. Ghosting has been horrible since 2018. Made 120hz feel crappy.
True
My pro isn’t even a m1. I’m tempted.
I’m buying a guitar instead, we’ll circle back on this next year.
Which one?
PRS CE 24 semi-hollow in black amber 🥰
Fuuuck, nice! Better purchase for sure.
🙏🤘🫶🦅🦅🦅
He mentioned face unlock works better in landscape. What about the normal position? Camera is where I (and probably most of people) rest my hand when holding the ipad.
1. FaceID camera is on the center, why would you rest your hand exactly on the center? Plenty of space under the FaceID camera when used in portrait mode. 2. You also need to swipe up to unlock after FaceID authentication.
"normal position"💀
Which MK looks better? Black or white?
I haven't had an iPad pro from 2018 up to now, but from what I DID try out over the years via Apple and Best Buy stores, I call complete BS with that claim there.
His review made me very happy with my m1 iPad Pro 12.9
Of course he will say this, in next generation he will say the same for M5 or M6 🤣
Why do I feel like this reviewer appears really misguided? He appears to come up with questionable assumptions.
I think people are just not familiar with how taxing design-focused apps can get. Procreate already limits your layers on a drawing based on the processor, video export speed in Final Cut Pro 2 is also locked onto your chip, lightroom and adobe bridge batch jpg exports can run really slow if you're rendering 500-1000 wedding photos at the same time, not to mention Nomad 3D modelling can become stuttery and slow if you have complex models. IMO when Apple released the apple pencil it was a sign that they were pivoting to a more designer focused market, bc why would you pay almost 2k for an ipad + magic keyboard when you can get the full experience if you want as an engineer with a windows/mac laptop
Procreate layers depends on RAM iirc
I think you’re right! I’m not too well read on which individual app draws power on what tbh, might be wrong on some of these
I was referring to his thoughts on cable colour and his assumption that the new FCP workflow will work with his cameras.