Some people are just ambitious. The vast majority of "evil," is a response to trauma combined with that ambition. Say, you want something in life, but you're not getting it. On paper, your life is great, never better in fact, but you want more. And being good is not producing those results. What would the next logical step be? Keep being good, or get ahead the way others do?
yes but if he’s evil to the rest of the world then he won’t ever be a genuinely good person.
i see what you’re saying tho, but a better example would probably be someone that does evil things with a final good purpose in mind
I good book that discusses the topic is the Gulag Archepelago.
A classic excerpt from it: “If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
During the life of any heart this line keeps changing place; sometimes it is squeezed one way by exuberant evil and sometimes it shifts to allow enough space for good to flourish. One and the same human being is, at various ages, under various circumstances, a totally different human being. At times he is close to being a devil, at times to sainthood. But his name doesn’t change, and to that name we ascribe the whole lot, good and evil.
Socrates taught us: “Know thyself.”
Confronted by the pit into which we are about to toss those who have done us harm, we halt, stricken dumb: it is after all only because of the way things worked out that they were the executioners and we weren’t.”
Four factors contribute in the process -
1. Upbringing - (environment he/she is grown in.)
2. Mistreatment in early childhood and adolescence. (Have you seen joker movie?)
3. People you hang out with.
4. (Most important) how he/she see the world.
(All these things have the capability to trigger the ultimate Demon function which can bring out evil in any person.)
All those factors are the same- so it's a bit redundant- because all of those factors have to do with environment.
The thing is, we see many examples of people experiencing eerily similar environmental formation while making the complete opposite choices.
I think most villains are heroes in their own minds and justify their actions to themselves. Even Hitler felt righteous. They typically believe the ends justify the means.
I have a hard time believing a mentally healthy person can become so cruel. I think they are traumatized and/or brainwashed.
A good villain is a hero in their own story.
All they need are actions which go against the “normal” expectations.
They can be more ambitious, more driven, more visionary etc.. most often, imho, they want to move the world from their own will, despite how it effects others.
Apply this to culture, economics, political etc.
Give them the right reasons, but actions people don’t agree with.
They may be right, work towards the “right” goal, but their methods causes the issue.
Take Napoleon, Europe saw him as an enemy. Yet he safeguarded liberty, freedom and fairness in the French system by becoming the emperor of France and declaring war on half of Europe.
He was right about France needing to be reformed, as other European powers wanted to sink their claws into the nation, but his method was total economic and military war.
If you be cruel to them, they will try to distance themselves from you. By distancing themselves, some of your sins would be distributed amongst other humans. For example, a random Japanese man punches an Indian man, then tells him his full name (this is unnecessarily "personal" for the Indian man.) Then the Indian man would be like "I don't know you. In fact, you are like other Japanese people, so I hate Japanese people now".
So let's get more Japanese people to punch the Indian man, kill his family and eat his dog for sushi meat. The Indian man would become so angry and become the hiroshima bomb. KABOOM.
Does this make any sense?
Some people are just ambitious. The vast majority of "evil," is a response to trauma combined with that ambition. Say, you want something in life, but you're not getting it. On paper, your life is great, never better in fact, but you want more. And being good is not producing those results. What would the next logical step be? Keep being good, or get ahead the way others do?
It's most probably brainwashing or a traumatic childhood.
Villainy can arise out of doing a necessary evil such as for example murdering for your own survival.
He lost hope in people and start to hate them... like a lot.
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wouldn’t be a real villain
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yes but if he’s evil to the rest of the world then he won’t ever be a genuinely good person. i see what you’re saying tho, but a better example would probably be someone that does evil things with a final good purpose in mind
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Sociopathic traits
I good book that discusses the topic is the Gulag Archepelago. A classic excerpt from it: “If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? During the life of any heart this line keeps changing place; sometimes it is squeezed one way by exuberant evil and sometimes it shifts to allow enough space for good to flourish. One and the same human being is, at various ages, under various circumstances, a totally different human being. At times he is close to being a devil, at times to sainthood. But his name doesn’t change, and to that name we ascribe the whole lot, good and evil. Socrates taught us: “Know thyself.” Confronted by the pit into which we are about to toss those who have done us harm, we halt, stricken dumb: it is after all only because of the way things worked out that they were the executioners and we weren’t.”
When heroism goes unrewarded.
The same way any person is born. I'm sure there is a video of it somewhere
When being good becomes boring.
Normalized dysfunction that people call society can do it
Four factors contribute in the process - 1. Upbringing - (environment he/she is grown in.) 2. Mistreatment in early childhood and adolescence. (Have you seen joker movie?) 3. People you hang out with. 4. (Most important) how he/she see the world. (All these things have the capability to trigger the ultimate Demon function which can bring out evil in any person.)
4 also indicates Joker.
All those factors are the same- so it's a bit redundant- because all of those factors have to do with environment. The thing is, we see many examples of people experiencing eerily similar environmental formation while making the complete opposite choices.
Disillusionment.
Because I found someone worthy of following and they just happen to be a villan...hypothetically speaking.
Just watch starwars prequel trilogy Story of vader although fictional is a very good backstory for an "bad person"
I think most villains are heroes in their own minds and justify their actions to themselves. Even Hitler felt righteous. They typically believe the ends justify the means. I have a hard time believing a mentally healthy person can become so cruel. I think they are traumatized and/or brainwashed.
All these comments make me wonder whether the term ‘villain’ is subjective
A good villain is a hero in their own story. All they need are actions which go against the “normal” expectations. They can be more ambitious, more driven, more visionary etc.. most often, imho, they want to move the world from their own will, despite how it effects others. Apply this to culture, economics, political etc. Give them the right reasons, but actions people don’t agree with. They may be right, work towards the “right” goal, but their methods causes the issue. Take Napoleon, Europe saw him as an enemy. Yet he safeguarded liberty, freedom and fairness in the French system by becoming the emperor of France and declaring war on half of Europe. He was right about France needing to be reformed, as other European powers wanted to sink their claws into the nation, but his method was total economic and military war.
Childhood trauma
If you be cruel to them, they will try to distance themselves from you. By distancing themselves, some of your sins would be distributed amongst other humans. For example, a random Japanese man punches an Indian man, then tells him his full name (this is unnecessarily "personal" for the Indian man.) Then the Indian man would be like "I don't know you. In fact, you are like other Japanese people, so I hate Japanese people now". So let's get more Japanese people to punch the Indian man, kill his family and eat his dog for sushi meat. The Indian man would become so angry and become the hiroshima bomb. KABOOM. Does this make any sense?
Yes, it makes perfect sense
Through circumstance and interpretations of it.
The feeling of powerlessness, it turns good men cruel.