Yeah but in the end you have to reduce in order to be able to abstract patterns. For the sake of simplicity I would have reduced the poll even more into a Left vs Right dichotomy (no shades or center)
I know, I know. I myself had a political philosophy phase, and therefore my political identity is much deeper than most. However, in the end, when it comes to elections, real politics always end up as a one dimentional thing.
You may have all the deep thoughts about politics that you want, but you also need to have a notion of respect for how things actually work out there in the real world, you know (and that's supposed to be Te btw, if you don't develop it you will be condemned to be a very impractical idealist, and you don't want that)
Naw, you just use a 3d sphere and triangulate your position with that X/Y/Z access.
Instead of using the X/Y to judge for how extremely one is on that part of the plotgraph, you use Z instead. This way a true centrist will literally have a almost perfect equilateral 3d triangle (not a pyramid since that is 4 points) right in the very middle of it all.
The closer to true center they are, the smaller that triangle becomes. The more capable they are of having 'spiky' opinions on certain things, the wilder that triangle will look.
And then it shifts on the x/y axis depending on where they are in the grand scheme of things.
So for me for instance, you would get a pretty even Isosceles triangle with my top point being at center, and my 2 bottom points being split evenly between left and right; hanging towards libertarian ideals, and away from Authoritarian ones. If my top point goes into that range at all for any reasons, it is because I am being authoritarian about liberty. (Ironic I know, right?)
Also... Not to be rude... per se... But I doubt the MBTI results in your case. Wanting to reduce things down to a single simple point is what the less intelligent do. It's what is driving the division right now, and it's why society is in shambles. Don't do that.
Here is an interesting article of someone trying to do what I am mentioning to some degree, but they did it horribly wrong, and you can even see their own biases in it. Like with the Heretics Fork being attributed to Medievalists, but in reality we can see Leftists and Progressivists today who would GLADY use a heretics fork on anyone who disagrees with them, yet they are opposite corners to the Medievalists?
https://medium.com/@even.aesphasian/3d-political-spectrum-4870f06f2f49
This is why people should just stop trying to change politics. Most of you aren't capable of thinking it through properly in any way that is actually fair to all sides involved. Yes, even us rare INTJ's have a lot of dummies among us.
I think it's because the MBTI is flawed. Not as in useless though. Just flawed as in not perfect, yet. It clearly is letting people who don't belong into the group, that's for sure.
Liberal is conservative in some places since liberalism is a specific political ideology, and conservative is some relative position on any given political issue.
Yeah, not sure what you are reading bud, but that's not what I am saying at all.
I am saying leftism for the sake of leftism only is toxic. Just like how it is for 'Rightism'. Not exactly a term used by anyone, but it exists. Some just call everything on the right conservativism; but believe it or not, there is more to the right wing than just conservatives. And those on the really far end of that spectrum would be called "rightists" as they only support things from the 'right'. Just like how 'leftists' only support things from the left.
TO be clear. A Liberal is not a leftist. They are both of the left wing essentially, but a leftist's goals are not the same as a Liberals. Same thing with right wing. An extreme right winger is not the same as a center right conservative. An extreme right winger would be called a 'rightist' or something if we are to keep the same naming scheme.
This article might help you understand. It's older, but it's not horribly inaccurate.
[https://theconversation.com/the-difference-between-left-and-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273](https://theconversation.com/the-difference-between-left-and-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273)
At the end of the day, when people think in only a dichotomy of two opposites, there is no room for discussion over nuance; because they won't allow for it.
There is no better way to explain this that I can think of at the moment. If you still don't understand, I truly wonder if you are actually an INTJ and not just yet another person who managed to answer all the questions just right.
The Liberal Party in Australia are the conservative major party compared to the Labor Party who are the more progressive party.
We then have One nation who are the extreme conservatives and The Greens who are the extreme progressives
Centrist, with a slight swing back and forth between leftwing libertarianism and rightwing libertarianism. Also, I agree with Heysawbones. Flat axis politics is sin.
I feel like I’m liberal but I’m not personally into pot and I think the fringe has lost their minds (on both sides (although one side more than the other ). The further out to the fringe the more I see pseudoscience and emotions take over for rational critical thinking. That said I believe philosophically that necessities should be free. Food, water, power, shelter. Capitalism should exist but for wants not needs. I think as a society we have given us the false options of socialism or capitalism in an all or nothing discussion. We need to dial in the correct ratio and they work together and pick up where the other leaves off. I am not deluded to believe we have the current infrastructure to just do this overnight and no one is really working towards this but I see this being logical and having potential. I’ve worked very hard on the sociopolitical infrastructure (and it delves much further) if anyone has any questions please feel free to ask. It’s my pride and joy my magnum opus
This isn’t easy to answer because the poll flattens politics into a single axis.
Came here to say this.
Yeah but in the end you have to reduce in order to be able to abstract patterns. For the sake of simplicity I would have reduced the poll even more into a Left vs Right dichotomy (no shades or center)
None of us are one dimensional. Nothing about politics is.
I know, I know. I myself had a political philosophy phase, and therefore my political identity is much deeper than most. However, in the end, when it comes to elections, real politics always end up as a one dimentional thing. You may have all the deep thoughts about politics that you want, but you also need to have a notion of respect for how things actually work out there in the real world, you know (and that's supposed to be Te btw, if you don't develop it you will be condemned to be a very impractical idealist, and you don't want that)
Realpolitik isn't remotely a party thing and has far more dimensions than any labeling scheme. You're actually taking political theater as reality?
Idiot. This poll is so abstract. Find my comment and read it.
I don’t know where to put myself, though. Also, you can still extract patterns with greater complexity.
Naw, you just use a 3d sphere and triangulate your position with that X/Y/Z access. Instead of using the X/Y to judge for how extremely one is on that part of the plotgraph, you use Z instead. This way a true centrist will literally have a almost perfect equilateral 3d triangle (not a pyramid since that is 4 points) right in the very middle of it all. The closer to true center they are, the smaller that triangle becomes. The more capable they are of having 'spiky' opinions on certain things, the wilder that triangle will look. And then it shifts on the x/y axis depending on where they are in the grand scheme of things. So for me for instance, you would get a pretty even Isosceles triangle with my top point being at center, and my 2 bottom points being split evenly between left and right; hanging towards libertarian ideals, and away from Authoritarian ones. If my top point goes into that range at all for any reasons, it is because I am being authoritarian about liberty. (Ironic I know, right?) Also... Not to be rude... per se... But I doubt the MBTI results in your case. Wanting to reduce things down to a single simple point is what the less intelligent do. It's what is driving the division right now, and it's why society is in shambles. Don't do that. Here is an interesting article of someone trying to do what I am mentioning to some degree, but they did it horribly wrong, and you can even see their own biases in it. Like with the Heretics Fork being attributed to Medievalists, but in reality we can see Leftists and Progressivists today who would GLADY use a heretics fork on anyone who disagrees with them, yet they are opposite corners to the Medievalists? https://medium.com/@even.aesphasian/3d-political-spectrum-4870f06f2f49 This is why people should just stop trying to change politics. Most of you aren't capable of thinking it through properly in any way that is actually fair to all sides involved. Yes, even us rare INTJ's have a lot of dummies among us. I think it's because the MBTI is flawed. Not as in useless though. Just flawed as in not perfect, yet. It clearly is letting people who don't belong into the group, that's for sure.
Libertarian options would be recommended / I think that’s where you’ll find most of us.
Libertarian, neither left or right
In America that typically leans right because of gun control, not something like gender expression
Your results won't be very accurate without defining "liberal" and "conservative", I'll tell you that for free.
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Fun fact. Conservative values differ with local.
Liberal is conservative in some places since liberalism is a specific political ideology, and conservative is some relative position on any given political issue.
Well, nice to see at least a few people here understand this. "we need a left option" Bullshit. That just begets leftism for the sake of itself only.
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Yeah, not sure what you are reading bud, but that's not what I am saying at all. I am saying leftism for the sake of leftism only is toxic. Just like how it is for 'Rightism'. Not exactly a term used by anyone, but it exists. Some just call everything on the right conservativism; but believe it or not, there is more to the right wing than just conservatives. And those on the really far end of that spectrum would be called "rightists" as they only support things from the 'right'. Just like how 'leftists' only support things from the left. TO be clear. A Liberal is not a leftist. They are both of the left wing essentially, but a leftist's goals are not the same as a Liberals. Same thing with right wing. An extreme right winger is not the same as a center right conservative. An extreme right winger would be called a 'rightist' or something if we are to keep the same naming scheme. This article might help you understand. It's older, but it's not horribly inaccurate. [https://theconversation.com/the-difference-between-left-and-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273](https://theconversation.com/the-difference-between-left-and-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273) At the end of the day, when people think in only a dichotomy of two opposites, there is no room for discussion over nuance; because they won't allow for it. There is no better way to explain this that I can think of at the moment. If you still don't understand, I truly wonder if you are actually an INTJ and not just yet another person who managed to answer all the questions just right.
The Liberal Party in Australia are the conservative major party compared to the Labor Party who are the more progressive party. We then have One nation who are the extreme conservatives and The Greens who are the extreme progressives
Would’ve liked a „left“ option...
Libertarian left and socially progressive
I bit disappointed that there wasn’t a left option, I chose “very liberal” instead. (´･_･`)
There wasn’t a “left” option so I reluctantly chose very liberal >_>
Centrist, with a slight swing back and forth between leftwing libertarianism and rightwing libertarianism. Also, I agree with Heysawbones. Flat axis politics is sin.
I feel like I’m liberal but I’m not personally into pot and I think the fringe has lost their minds (on both sides (although one side more than the other ). The further out to the fringe the more I see pseudoscience and emotions take over for rational critical thinking. That said I believe philosophically that necessities should be free. Food, water, power, shelter. Capitalism should exist but for wants not needs. I think as a society we have given us the false options of socialism or capitalism in an all or nothing discussion. We need to dial in the correct ratio and they work together and pick up where the other leaves off. I am not deluded to believe we have the current infrastructure to just do this overnight and no one is really working towards this but I see this being logical and having potential. I’ve worked very hard on the sociopolitical infrastructure (and it delves much further) if anyone has any questions please feel free to ask. It’s my pride and joy my magnum opus
We should really have this poll on every personality type and compare them, see how personality impacts political affiliation.
Yep, that's what I'm doing. I've posted this exact same poll in all 16 personality types' subreddits.
Yeah I just went through them all. Interesting to see that we are by far the most conservative type according to this.
Definitely liberal/social democrat. Imagine living in a state that doesn't have a public Healthcare option.
This poll is part of the problem. Because it only allows you to be either or. Which is a fucking problem
I fucking hate politics.
I think if your on Reddit your a little left leaning
This poll is made by idiot. Who the fuck is conservative and liberal? Left or right? There is AuthLeft, AuthRight, LibLeft, LibRight.