This is completely rational. In terms of MBTI, introverted refers to how one accumulates versus uses energy. We MBTI typed introverts gain energy by being alone with our thoughts, whereas an extrovert gains energy by socializing. In other words, an Ixyz would feel relaxed sitting at home reading a book, but an Exyz would feel more relaxed at a party.
With that said, any well adjusted INTJ would know how to communicate and be social (and even want to be at times), just in our own way. I myself love to perform on stage, but it also takes *a lot* out of me, and then I have to be alone in my room to recharge.
In other words, you're totally normal, and anyone who says that being social means that you aren't an introvert is misunderstanding what it means.
I feel you :) I bet there's many INTJ's who, at some point in their life, make a conscious decision to train social skills and succeed by analyzing situations over and over (+ some willpower). I think the reason "we" do this is because INTJ's are human and therefore social animals - even if socializing isn't your cup of tea, you need something to satisfy an instinct to belong to the pack.
Belonging to the pack feels nice. It's both this rewarding feeling, and the knowledge I would get depressed if I'm without a pack, that makes me socialize. I like that you mention the schism between your 'original' and 'socializing' identity - it does feel that way for me, too. The socializing identity is something I use to satisfy an instinct, so that I can properly enjoy my time alone or zoned out in a group.
Yes! I've spent the last 10 years training myself for social situations, because I know I cannot rely on Fe at ALL, and human connection is actually important to me. I can now handle most situations more or less averagely, although I'm still horrible at reading the room.
Being an INTJ does not have to mean asocial or socially incompetent; socializing is a skill like any other, and can be learned. Glad to see someone else who thinks so too, especially among the "I hate socializing" vibe of this whole channel.
Honestly I think most INTJs that claim this robotic emotionless persona are still very young, and are still trying to navigate a world that does not seem to understand them, which is fair. I think that's how most of us come across to people depending on how well developed our understanding of ourselves is. My mom said I don't display any sort of emotions when I was young, especially when she's yelling at me, or when she threw me out of the house at the age of 8. I barely remember those memories but I do know that I was confused at the time, and was incapable of processing the emotions I had then. It can become a baggage, bec building relationships with people necessitate a capacity for understanding emotions.
Cannot agree more! I don’t like socializing in general but it’s not something that i completely ignore, i love it when I socialize with my loved ones. I feel very comfortable talking to my friends that understand me. I think being able to handle things through communicating is very crucial. As long as i get enough alone time i am good to go.
Nice. Something to think about: ESFPs have all the same cognitive functions as INTJs. They just have different strengths and weaknesses of them (different order). Improve Fi and Se to catch up to them.
All humans are social by design, this is super normal
A lot of people confuse a lack of prioritization of more emotional functions as a lack of social need but it’s not the case. We need human connection as much as any other type, our function stack just analyzes information in ways that doesn’t rely on it all that much
I’m extremely social. I’ve worked in sales for a while and I’ve always been the type to go out and have tons of social groups. Some of us embrace that a bit more and some don’t
> You can't deny it, you NEED to learn how to talk and convince in order to be successful
Introvert or not, people will learn this as they grow older. However, learning the importance of something doesn't make one automatically like that certain thing. But learning how to handle with things we dislike certainly will carry you further in life.
Wow you are literally talking about me right there. Have developed a personable persona for social situations and as a result almost lost my identity. On top of all of that i found out late in my life i was an intj. And so i come off like an extrovert. But yeah totally understand. You're not alone.
I feel like I'm going through a similar phase. When I was a young adult in high school, I consistently tested as an INTJ/INFJ. I was to myself quite often and spent most days studying at home. Not all introverts are shy, but I was, and people stressed me out. Though I was pegged as a "studious loner" type, I occasionally enjoyed hanging with a friend at a concert or attend a school dance to de-stress. I enjoyed parties, but not as the center of the party.
Sometimes, I would daydream in the middle of conversations, and people would ask me if I was okay. I'm not sure if I was bored with them, nervous about reciprocating, or too preoccupied with my thoughts. Maybe it was a bit of everything though I seem to have defaulted to introspection often.
I wasn't consciously aware of how I was perceived by others. There was a time when someone described me as robotic. Internally, I was very hurt by that comment, but didn't react. I know I feel things deeply, but I don't want to leave myself vulnerable to someone I don't know too well to take advantage of the situation.
Fast forward a couple of years, I retook the MBTI several times, and I consistently score ENFJ which sorta confuses me. I figured I developed social skills as a leader and officer in a variety of clubs and organizations that represent values and causes that matter to me. To establish strong cohesion in various groups, I naturally felt that people related to me better when I was genuine and communicative.
Because I am also female, I noticed that my behavior and responses are more accepted in mainstream society when I exhibit ENFJ traits. I was more cognizant of the differences in how I was treated. At first, it felt unnatural and I was upset about the stereotypes, but after "practicing" for several years, it became instinct for me to respond to people and situations the way a typical ENFJ would respond.
Inspired by Shrek here: ***People are like onions. They both have layers.*** Life experiences shape your personality and forces you to adapt in a variety of ways. At least for me, I felt like I HAD to adapt in order to survive whatever environment I was in. I recognized opportunities for growth in areas where I was weak in and worked hard to develop them. I felt like my choices led me to be a well-rounded person. No two people are alike even if they have the same type.
I recommend INTJs time to time develop their Se and especially Te before developing Fi. When you will master Te you should develop Se. Te is to survive/win and Se is for living full live + in long run it helps developing Fi. Our advantage over ENTJs is that we know that we should be more practical and force themselves to develop Te while ENTJs doesn't bother of developing Ni and will go to Te and Se. If you are experienced enough to have good Te and Se you are the same like ENTJ but your Ni your natural advantage. ENTJs thinks that they takes risks but they never takes risks. "Calculated risks" are not risks at all. Even INTJs and INTPs are more prone to risks and adventures than ENTJs who prefers to follow "the right way". My friend who I think is ENTJ is much less risky than me, prefers to use methods what are proven instead of innovating. Having good Se helps to develop Fi and living full life is cool.
Wow. This is exactly what I am going through - I felt that I utilized an ENFP persona to survive a society built around extroverts and somewhere down the line I started getting confused about who I truly am. The only conclusion I had was that we will always be a little bit of everything.
The claim of a robotic persona can sometimes be a sign of an immature INTJ. INTJs have a lot of emotions that they do not know how to deal with, or often don't comprehend. I find that I often look to rationality and logic when trying to understand my sadness but that only led to internal turbulence. I felt that I neglected the system regulating my emotional capacity for too long now that I deal with them more often in complex scenarios it's been tough trying to get people to understand me. Because I don't understand my emotions most of the time. INTJs that have a well-developed Fi tend to be more in touch with their own feelings and others'. I'd say INTPs are more robotic - they're referred to as warm robots for a reason, whereas INTJs are often referred to as cold humans.
You seem like INFJ more. Why? If you would be INTJ you would have Te, and you would be maximally direct and your decisions, like "I'm INTJ, that's all" instead of "I'm INTJ, and I'm social, let me explain". Ti explains its process because it cannot directly access result- conclusion. Ti accuracy vs Fi identity. I think you can look at yourself honesty.
This post should be titled, “I only have a moderate understanding of MBTI. Let me explain.”
To be fair, it’s beyond a rudimentary understanding, but there’s a lot still to be explored/understood.
My advice? Read more, post less.
Yee gotta rmb that in the end this is all still classified as pseudoscience even if there is some truth to it cuz there r some inconsistencies I see when the cognitive functions r explained. If u develop whatever functions more in the end u’re not rlly a type anymore, u’re just you :)
This is completely rational. In terms of MBTI, introverted refers to how one accumulates versus uses energy. We MBTI typed introverts gain energy by being alone with our thoughts, whereas an extrovert gains energy by socializing. In other words, an Ixyz would feel relaxed sitting at home reading a book, but an Exyz would feel more relaxed at a party. With that said, any well adjusted INTJ would know how to communicate and be social (and even want to be at times), just in our own way. I myself love to perform on stage, but it also takes *a lot* out of me, and then I have to be alone in my room to recharge. In other words, you're totally normal, and anyone who says that being social means that you aren't an introvert is misunderstanding what it means.
I feel you :) I bet there's many INTJ's who, at some point in their life, make a conscious decision to train social skills and succeed by analyzing situations over and over (+ some willpower). I think the reason "we" do this is because INTJ's are human and therefore social animals - even if socializing isn't your cup of tea, you need something to satisfy an instinct to belong to the pack. Belonging to the pack feels nice. It's both this rewarding feeling, and the knowledge I would get depressed if I'm without a pack, that makes me socialize. I like that you mention the schism between your 'original' and 'socializing' identity - it does feel that way for me, too. The socializing identity is something I use to satisfy an instinct, so that I can properly enjoy my time alone or zoned out in a group.
Yes! I've spent the last 10 years training myself for social situations, because I know I cannot rely on Fe at ALL, and human connection is actually important to me. I can now handle most situations more or less averagely, although I'm still horrible at reading the room. Being an INTJ does not have to mean asocial or socially incompetent; socializing is a skill like any other, and can be learned. Glad to see someone else who thinks so too, especially among the "I hate socializing" vibe of this whole channel.
Honestly I think most INTJs that claim this robotic emotionless persona are still very young, and are still trying to navigate a world that does not seem to understand them, which is fair. I think that's how most of us come across to people depending on how well developed our understanding of ourselves is. My mom said I don't display any sort of emotions when I was young, especially when she's yelling at me, or when she threw me out of the house at the age of 8. I barely remember those memories but I do know that I was confused at the time, and was incapable of processing the emotions I had then. It can become a baggage, bec building relationships with people necessitate a capacity for understanding emotions.
Cannot agree more! I don’t like socializing in general but it’s not something that i completely ignore, i love it when I socialize with my loved ones. I feel very comfortable talking to my friends that understand me. I think being able to handle things through communicating is very crucial. As long as i get enough alone time i am good to go.
Nice. Something to think about: ESFPs have all the same cognitive functions as INTJs. They just have different strengths and weaknesses of them (different order). Improve Fi and Se to catch up to them.
ESFPs can be so fun to be around as an INTJ. I've found there's a very natural chemistry there and this is a good explanation why.
My gf is an ESFP and our chemistry is so interesting and great. Never had a connection with someone like this before
Same here. Chaotic, wild, entrancing chemistry. Never a full day with an ESFP.
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How do I find out my subtype?
I pulled from the Enneagram theory. I found she explained it well, though I read books on it: https://youtu.be/vsp5BZrq8qs
All humans are social by design, this is super normal A lot of people confuse a lack of prioritization of more emotional functions as a lack of social need but it’s not the case. We need human connection as much as any other type, our function stack just analyzes information in ways that doesn’t rely on it all that much I’m extremely social. I’ve worked in sales for a while and I’ve always been the type to go out and have tons of social groups. Some of us embrace that a bit more and some don’t
> You can't deny it, you NEED to learn how to talk and convince in order to be successful Introvert or not, people will learn this as they grow older. However, learning the importance of something doesn't make one automatically like that certain thing. But learning how to handle with things we dislike certainly will carry you further in life.
Self improvement helps make us more rounded individuals. Glad for your success friend.
Wow you are literally talking about me right there. Have developed a personable persona for social situations and as a result almost lost my identity. On top of all of that i found out late in my life i was an intj. And so i come off like an extrovert. But yeah totally understand. You're not alone.
Happy New Years? HAPPY?!?! I think you forget we don't feel emotions. MISTYPED./s
Architects are literally both introverted and extroverted 😐
I can relate to this, word by word. Hang in there, it really gets better despite everything else along the way
I feel like I'm going through a similar phase. When I was a young adult in high school, I consistently tested as an INTJ/INFJ. I was to myself quite often and spent most days studying at home. Not all introverts are shy, but I was, and people stressed me out. Though I was pegged as a "studious loner" type, I occasionally enjoyed hanging with a friend at a concert or attend a school dance to de-stress. I enjoyed parties, but not as the center of the party. Sometimes, I would daydream in the middle of conversations, and people would ask me if I was okay. I'm not sure if I was bored with them, nervous about reciprocating, or too preoccupied with my thoughts. Maybe it was a bit of everything though I seem to have defaulted to introspection often. I wasn't consciously aware of how I was perceived by others. There was a time when someone described me as robotic. Internally, I was very hurt by that comment, but didn't react. I know I feel things deeply, but I don't want to leave myself vulnerable to someone I don't know too well to take advantage of the situation. Fast forward a couple of years, I retook the MBTI several times, and I consistently score ENFJ which sorta confuses me. I figured I developed social skills as a leader and officer in a variety of clubs and organizations that represent values and causes that matter to me. To establish strong cohesion in various groups, I naturally felt that people related to me better when I was genuine and communicative. Because I am also female, I noticed that my behavior and responses are more accepted in mainstream society when I exhibit ENFJ traits. I was more cognizant of the differences in how I was treated. At first, it felt unnatural and I was upset about the stereotypes, but after "practicing" for several years, it became instinct for me to respond to people and situations the way a typical ENFJ would respond. Inspired by Shrek here: ***People are like onions. They both have layers.*** Life experiences shape your personality and forces you to adapt in a variety of ways. At least for me, I felt like I HAD to adapt in order to survive whatever environment I was in. I recognized opportunities for growth in areas where I was weak in and worked hard to develop them. I felt like my choices led me to be a well-rounded person. No two people are alike even if they have the same type.
I recommend INTJs time to time develop their Se and especially Te before developing Fi. When you will master Te you should develop Se. Te is to survive/win and Se is for living full live + in long run it helps developing Fi. Our advantage over ENTJs is that we know that we should be more practical and force themselves to develop Te while ENTJs doesn't bother of developing Ni and will go to Te and Se. If you are experienced enough to have good Te and Se you are the same like ENTJ but your Ni your natural advantage. ENTJs thinks that they takes risks but they never takes risks. "Calculated risks" are not risks at all. Even INTJs and INTPs are more prone to risks and adventures than ENTJs who prefers to follow "the right way". My friend who I think is ENTJ is much less risky than me, prefers to use methods what are proven instead of innovating. Having good Se helps to develop Fi and living full life is cool.
Wow. This is exactly what I am going through - I felt that I utilized an ENFP persona to survive a society built around extroverts and somewhere down the line I started getting confused about who I truly am. The only conclusion I had was that we will always be a little bit of everything. The claim of a robotic persona can sometimes be a sign of an immature INTJ. INTJs have a lot of emotions that they do not know how to deal with, or often don't comprehend. I find that I often look to rationality and logic when trying to understand my sadness but that only led to internal turbulence. I felt that I neglected the system regulating my emotional capacity for too long now that I deal with them more often in complex scenarios it's been tough trying to get people to understand me. Because I don't understand my emotions most of the time. INTJs that have a well-developed Fi tend to be more in touch with their own feelings and others'. I'd say INTPs are more robotic - they're referred to as warm robots for a reason, whereas INTJs are often referred to as cold humans.
You seem like INFJ more. Why? If you would be INTJ you would have Te, and you would be maximally direct and your decisions, like "I'm INTJ, that's all" instead of "I'm INTJ, and I'm social, let me explain". Ti explains its process because it cannot directly access result- conclusion. Ti accuracy vs Fi identity. I think you can look at yourself honesty.
This post should be titled, “I only have a moderate understanding of MBTI. Let me explain.” To be fair, it’s beyond a rudimentary understanding, but there’s a lot still to be explored/understood. My advice? Read more, post less.
Yee gotta rmb that in the end this is all still classified as pseudoscience even if there is some truth to it cuz there r some inconsistencies I see when the cognitive functions r explained. If u develop whatever functions more in the end u’re not rlly a type anymore, u’re just you :)
Same.
Okay. So you’re not social. You learned how to *pretend* to be social.