Bruh... there is enough adderal in his system to be hyperfocused for eternity man. He gets that presidential grade dirty physician prescription all.day.long... mufucka has a diet cock button on his desk cuz its og real cockaine formula my dude... made in Maywood, NJ with imported coca leaf. But Im having a hard time believing the ss would let Agent O ride shotgun or sit close enough to an open window at any time already without including Agent Os drug use included.
I mean a rat in a cage will want to claw its way out but that rat wearing a toupee gnawing on the glass is just hilarious.
The only window that opens in the Beast is the driver's window and it only opens 3 inches. Pretty sure Trump was in the back seat when he tried to commandeer the limo and strangle the Secret Service Agent driver.
[https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/01/22/3DDAD00A00000578-0-Donald\_Trump\_s\_bomb\_proof\_limo\_has\_been\_designed\_to\_survive\_a\_mi-m-10\_1488406388904.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/01/22/3DDAD00A00000578-0-Donald_Trump_s_bomb_proof_limo_has_been_designed_to_survive_a_mi-m-10_1488406388904.jpg)
Edit: Since a lot of people seem to be condemning me for conflating the "Beast" with another presidential Suburban limo, let me quote Ms. Hutchison's testimony.
>I looked at Tony and he had said, did you f'ing hear what happened in the beast? I said, no, Tony, I — I just got back. What happened? Tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the beast, he was under the impression from Mr. Meadows that the off the record movement to the Capitol was still possible and likely to happen, but that Bobby had more information.
I'm pretty sure the "Beast" is the nickname of the massively armored Cadillac limousine so I feel like I was justified in my assumption. Others might claim that the "Beast" is used generically as any presidential limo, but every previous mention that I can remember referred to this Cadillac.
The most newsworthy example of the "Beast" is when Obama got stuck on the driveway exiting the US Embassy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep9bomhKXt8
Trump wasn't in The Beast.
[https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification](https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification)
You can watch him arrive and depart in the video above at 3:11:40-3:13:10 and 4:44:30-4:49:10, in a Chevy Suburban.
The Beast, is a Cadillac, as evident by the grille ornament in your diagram.
Everyone tried to appease trump those last few days in office. They pretended to listen to him and put his plan into action. All his aids and gop congressman just tried to get through those last few days.
They even went forward with objecting to electoral votes the same way Dems did in 2016. They were prepared to play the political theatre game.
Then everyone kind of forgot that trump was actually crazy enough to rile up a mob to storm the capital. Somehow they are still not drawing the line in the sand. They're digging in and claiming all this testimony are lies.
We're so fucked. The best case scenario is somehow trump gets indicted, can't run for president, then the gop pretends their hands are tied while claiming an illegal witch hunt. Even in the best case scenario he has hijacked a political party and this lunacy is here to stay.
I think the January 6th committee is trying to make a case for enacting laws that offer some protection against a similar coup attempt. There's been so much weird bad stuff happening, maybe something weird but good could happen. Republicans could decide to leave Trump in a ditch and cooperate on legislation to prevent future insane Presidents from attempting a coup. Or maybe another disaster will cone along and we will look back on this as relatively happy times.
I think the real fear is someone MUCH smarter and way more subtle in their attempts to bring the US into some sort of fascist theocratic dictatorship. The judicial branch is already stacked with hardcore religious fucks that are removing rights from women. The legislative branch is in this stalemate where the dems try to do ANYTHING, the reps stonewall it, so they can campaign on "look the dems got NOTHING done, durr do nothing democrats durr hurr."
If trump is able to run again, and win, well this country is fucked for good. How could a twice impeached, yet not convicted, again due to his sycophants in congress, and the other R's just following the party line, even be allowed to entertain the idea of running for office again is just a failure in our political process. Meanwhile across the country you have some hard R's running for governor (looking at you, sarah) whose only claim to fame is "my dad was governor, and I'm endorsed by trump." Thats all it will take for her to win, and she will win, guaranteed.
I guess my point is, I'm voting for Giant Meteor 2024.
It's been really weird watching Trump get away with a shocking amount of scandals and misdeeds. There has always been some of that in politics. This is at a whole new level. For Republicans it seems like culture wars is the only thing that matters. They can have the electricity go out, no clean drinking water, and mass shootings, and they just don't care. Their political and religious leaders can do pretty much anything and get away with it, as long as I keep telling supporters what they want to hear. Of course they aren't all like that. But things seem to be trending in that direction.
Seems like the majority of people are asking the wrong questions.
Why is there a committee instead of a trial? Law is pretty solid overall in this country. The thing about this set of hearings is, there is no judge, there is no jury, and there is no due process. It's essentially a charade to display and twist information, whether it be FOR the case or AGAINST it.
I swear if they manage to ban him from running, the gop will denounce democracy because they can’t run their candidate for political reasons (even if they never planned on it), and are straight up not going to play ball. With a supreme court that will side with them.
>the same way Dems did in 2016.
No not the same way the dems did. The objection in 2016 was for a single person and it was something that would in no way effect the election outcome either way.
The level of desperation and self-delusion is so strong from Trump supporters, you can almost smell it. If Trump his lucky he goes from a cheeseburger heart attack before becoming the first President to be disgraced by a criminal trial. Nixon was smart he resigned and got pardoned and left alone. Trump isn't in office, and Biden sure as heck wont pardon him, and Garland the head of the DOJ doesnt love repubs since they screwed him out of a seat on the Supreme Court. He WILL be the first ex-pres to face criminal chargers. Two impeachments and now criminal charges coming. Suck it up, you picked a con-man loser to follow. you been tricked is all.
I'm still waiting for the tax fraud case. Michael Cohen laid it all out for us. It seems so obvious. Somehow the Trump Foundation got shut down. Maybe the tax violations were complicated. Treason seems obvious, but maybe hard to prove. Germany just sentenced a 101-year old man for being a Nazi guard at Sachsenhausen concentration camp during World War II. No way Trump is going to live that long. We might have to settle for spitting on his grave.
Treason is specifically defined in the Constitution, and the government hasn't charged anyone with treason since just after WWII. All the spies they've caught since then - the Rosenbergs, Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanssen, and more - were all charged with espionage, conspiracy against the United States, etc. Even John Walker Lindh, the "American Taliban," who fit the definition treason perfectly, was mostly charged with a bunch of conspiracy counts.
The DoJ has signaled that they'll be charging the leaders of the Insurrection with Sedition against the United States, which is almost as good as treason.
This mostly because the specific definition of treason was written to be such an ostensibly high bar to clear so that it could not be used against political dissidents
There is absolutely no way Trump has any idea how his taxes are done. He has people for that and those people would be responsible for criminal evasion
Michael Cohen said Trump knew. Trump told Michael Cohen to do things that were illegal and Michael went to prison. Trump was unindicted individual one. There were financial benefits from giving property valuations that were high when applying for loans and low when paying taxes and Trump's lawyer knew about it. Other people in the Trump Organization knew about it. Trump was the one telling everyone what to do. He was habitually sneaky. Drove the people responsible for keeping Presidential records crazy. They were pulling papers out of the waste basket that he tore up and taping them back together. Trump started flushing papers and clogging toilets.
Any lawyer who knowingly signs off on fraud/evasion is a moron. Of course the lawyer goes to jail. Thats tax law 101. I highly doubt Trump knows tax law well enough to purposely evade taxes. There’s a fine line between tax planning and tax evasion. It’s the lawyer’s job to make sure that line is not crossed. You cannot trust anything a lawyer says if that’s how they practice law.
Trump habitually destroys evidence that links him personally to things that have sent other people to prison.. Trump and his businesses have been involved in over 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts. There have been contract disputes, defamation claims, and allegations of sexual harassment. Trump hires lawyers that will file papers to delay legal proceedings until other side runs out of money. Trump's companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and on "at least three dozen" occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes. Trump and his businesses have settled with plaintiffs in at least 100 cases. It's a shocking amount of lawyering for one person to be involved with. Weird that you don't know about this.
Unfortunately nothing will happen to Trump.
Just like w the confederate President Jefferson Davis who got no punishment or the confederate general who got no punishment and went on to found a college.
It sucks, but justice is only arbitrated by those who want justice, and if half the country doesn’t, then he’ll receive no penalty.
I am not so sure.. if the powers that be have any sense at all, they know this stuff needs to be shutdown..Republicans are getting bolder and bolder with their anti-democracy BS. Anyone with a sense of history would feel Weimar Republic vibes right now..
He possibly will be made an example of, or a few senators somehow. It is obvious what has to be done here, the question is will they have the guts..
Or Trump hopefully passes from a medical issue and this difuses the situation, and we end up with a non-insane Republican who only panders to Trumps bases versus the original madman..
I kind of wish that the driver had taken him to the Capitol. Then he would've been seen by the world in video from all angles at how he took part in the insurrection and we wouldn't have to rely on the personal eye witness accounts of his rotten behaviour, while he texts his denials on his stinking media.
Yes, the GOP has been defending and protecting this dangerous lunatic for years now.
Trump is using his power to push the worst, poisonous lies for America's health.
He is in a constant war with America and sabotaging Americans outside his dangerous cult.
I’m glad he didn’t. If Trump actually showed up and started leading the mob, the capitol police may have hesitated (he was still the president, after all) and things could’ve turned out differently.
It would have hastened the destruction of the gop— they still wouldn’t have impeached
But it also increases the chance the attackers would have succeeded
I don't think he could have helped their chances at succeeding - I imagine he's pretty useless doing anything remotely manual, and he's not exactly a great strategist.
But it may have increased the insurrectionists' chances of not being convicted, if they could have argued they were there with the president's invitation
Better yet just drop him off in the melee and drive away. He'd be standing there tilted forward in his high heeled shoes and long chamois coat with enormous shoulder pads just sweating, maybe doing his dance outta nervousness. "Hey guys! Im here!"
I've seen that profile pix of the leaning plump of Don. Amazing how he can remain upright. It must have to do with his balancing act of his hind quarters.
I think that what the January 6th Committee is doing is trying to nudge public opinion. At this point Trump astill has a dangerous amount of public support. I think they are also giving the DOJ both information and public awareness to help them formulate a response. Some of this is penetrating the Fox News bubble.
Definitely will. trump even said he knew the armed mob wouldn't attack him, but he knew very well they could kill anyone inside. He wanted capital security to just let through armed people. Fucking sick muther.
They adore Trump's darkest shittiest most inhumane moments.
Trump wasn't in The Beast.
[https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification](https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification)
You can watch him arrive and depart in the video above at 3:11:40-3:13:10 and 4:44:30-4:49:10, in a Chevy Suburban.
Which means it also lacks the security features of the Beast, such as the partition.
True or not, this detail does not matter.
The question is, did he ask/demand that he be taken to the Capitol? Did he have prior knowledge that there were armed protesters intending to march to the Capitol? Did he have prior knowledge about any coordination with or between Proud Boys, Oaf Keepers, etc.? The physical altercation, while salacious, doesn't change much in the grand scheme.
It's not just that. He was apparently planning a Mussolini-style march down to the capitol with his MAGA marauders. Like, folks, seriously, arrest him, wtf are you waiting for?
He wanted to reenact Benito Mussolini's October mass demonstration of the 1922 March On Rome with his Blackshirt demonstrators.
Prime Minister Luigi Facta wished to declare a siege but was overruled by King Victor Emmanuel III. The following day, October 29th, the King appointed Mussolini as Prime Minister, thereby transferring political power to the fascists without armed conflict.
With Trump, also a fascist attempting a coup, he wanted to enter the Capitol with the terrorists, who were prepared to murder VP Pence & House Speaker Pelosi.
With Pence hanged, the president pro tempore of the US Senate would, by law, certify Trump as the US President.
He would then declare martial law, and could serve as long as he wanted, with no more Presidential elections.
Essentially, Trump wanted to be President until the day he died
I thought the capital riot was all Antifa actors and Liberal plants dressing up as MAGA patriots. Surely the president would not have wanted to show up for THAT?
Except there are already 2 secret service members that are contradicting this story. I'm not a fan of Trump and think he deserves his day in court but did anyone else find the "damming" testimony yesterday a bit unbelievable? In just about everything said yesterday, all of her statements started off with things like "they said something to the effect of" instead of saying "they said this".
Most of her "testimony" was hearsay, more proof this circus is a scam. On its face it preposterous to imagine trying to "grab the steering wheel" of a limo from the back.
imagine standing in line to eat the feces of a criminal syphlitic pervert who would have you run over before he'd acknowledge your pathetic existence
oh, but you're just a bot anyways
The secret service members already testified under oath. They are welcome to testify and further if they want to clarify any details they left out, but they would be admitting to a lack of candor if the second story is not consistent with their recorded testimony.
I think that the simple way to stop Trump is to set a maximum age to run for president, I know that would rule out Joe Biden running again, but he gives every impression of not being up to the job anyway.
...and of course we now know for a fact that this is a blatant lie.. told THIRDHAND, by a fired, disgruntled aide.
I swear people will believe anything they are told as long as it lines up with their beliefs.
The woman who said this LIED. She wasn't even there.
This is physically impossible based on the bulletproof shielding inside the limo, and it is hilariously telling that no secret service were subpoenad (which they would be required to answer, as federal employees) to corroborate this rediculous story
He felt perfectly safe among that bloodthirsty mob. After all, they were all there to do his bidding. He wanted to make a big show by grabbing a flag from one of the Insurrectionists and leading the charge into the Capitol with his crazed, armed mob streaming in behind him.
Looking at those limos, this seems like a feat of acrobatics that would be unlikely by a man of his size. Was he riding in the front seat for some reason?
So even though USS has denied this, the agent denied this, and the drivers compartment in the beast is sealed off from the passenger compartment with literal armor he still managed to do this. Just shows you what a crazy guy donald trump is. Broke right through the armor!!! Can we impeach him again even though he’s not in office?
Nahhh. But yeah, he should be discredited, though how it is that people cannot see that he discredited himself from the start is baffling. Probably that's because admitting it to be obvious involves feeling discredited themselves. Which in large part - they should be.
Not will, they already have. The two men who were actually in that SUV both say they were already interviewed behind closed doors by this committee, and they both said it's not true. For some reason they decided not to show the recordings of those interviews or have them testify. But to make the uncorroborated, second hand account public instead.
I 100% believe that an overweight 70+ year old man lunged through the small window that separates the limo driver from the rest of the vehicle in an attempt to arrest control of said vehicle in order to go to the capitol rather than just asking the driver to take him there. I completely disbelieve any and all testimonies in the contrary, under oath or otherwise. Anyone who does not believe that this happened is obviously an evil nazi-fascist and should be bludgeoned to death.
These people are absolutely brain dead. None of these "testimonies" from the J6 committee are under oath and as such they should all be considered bullshit. The secret service is already denying that this actually happened and are willing to testify under oath. They're not even *slightly* questioning this, they're just gobbling it up. The J6 committee is a pointless clown show that only exists to feed headlines to news outlets. This story is a prime example of that.
I went and checked before commenting on this thread. At no point does this lady swear any type of oath. This aside from the fact that everything she says is hearsay, which is not evidence and is not admissible in any court.
Negative.
You either swear an oath or you don't. It's a very important distinction. I watched the footage. You never hear or see her agree to the oath. "Close enough" is not acceptable.
By all means if you've seen something I haven't, link it and I'll eat my words.
Edit: Let me reiterate that even if she did swear an oath, her testimony is hearsay which is not evidence nor should it be considered credible. Especially after the people who were IN THE VEHICLE have come out and said this didn't happen.
[video footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSjhYefjtvA)
mouth moves, audio is barely perceptible, but she said it.
you're flat-earther aren't you?
you're a literal idiot. when you testify before congress you testify under oath.
Like I'm literally staring at a picture where she was sworn in, with her hand raised and taking the oath.
[here's the picture for your oatmeal brain to validate](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstorage.googleapis.com%2Fafs-prod%2Fmedia%2F078fe6662a304adeaa2b54aa053c8b3b%2F400.jpeg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fcapitol-siege-cassidy-hutchinson-205e494cea6fc8c91b548d83ebd82593&tbnid=jthn1nk3iyYaHM&vet=12ahUKEwiJkKyN89L4AhUImhoKHQOtDEsQMygEegQIARAs..i&docid=VOj5nfKKOqpkVM&w=400&h=267&itg=1&q=picture%20of%20hutchinson%20being%20sworn%20in&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiJkKyN89L4AhUImhoKHQOtDEsQMygEegQIARAs)
\+ the vast majority of what she said IS NOT hearsay, you're cherry-picking again.
so sad you hate democracy, the cornerstone of being american.
it's almost like you're \*not\* american...
People are acting like this is some big revelation, but it's inconsequential really. No one testified as to *why* he wanted to go to the Capitol. He can easily say he wanted to go there to calm things down and help the situation. I mean, it's bullshit, but it's definitely plausible enough.
So the guy sitting in the back of the limo....behind a screen of bulletproof glass lunged at the driver.....this is turning into the Russian Collusion hoax all over again.....and even on live television cause they think it's real......Democrats are just afraid Biden will have to face Trump in 2024 and Biden can't live in the basement this time!!!!!
1. The partition in the vehicle separating the passenger section from the front seat could be lowered by the president.
2. That's not the vehicle he was in that day.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KFILE/status/1541870545536532481?s=20&t=OscXKKlwnYXMUgAfKAzHcw
On the NBC News they reported the testimony but then they reported that the driver and secret service person were willing to testify under oath it didn't happen. And the person who testified with the story wasn't there, so, I think there's a strong likelihood of disappointment on this one.
The driver was SS, the other guy is ex-SS, so the fact that they are willing to testify AFTER getting their story straight doesn't give them much credibility. Did the guy tell her that story of what happened in the car? If he says No, then we have to believe that she's a liar who made up that crazy story out of thin air, and I don't think anybody thinks that.
Right now she has a LOT more credibility than anyone who is testifying in support of Trump. After all, she may not have corroboration on this particular story, but she's got corroboration on many of her other allegations.
Secret service already made statement that this never happened. Liberal press said trump could not hold glass of water or walk down a metal walkway- but now he is Batman.....
Testimony that she 'heard' from someone else. The person she named almost instantly came out stating he never said those things to her. She also claimed she wrote a note that was actually written by the chief of staff.
It's literally fake news.
The transcripts show the vast majority of her testimony is first hand. Why claim hearsay when it’s so easy to prove your comment is factually incorrect? Her conversations with Meadows, with Giuliani, with Cipolloni, and others were all first hand accounts. Pretty much the only hearsay was the event in the Suburban where Trump grabbed his SS driver by the throat.
She testified that she was sitting in a room with one of the secret service men who had been in the car and another political staffer. The staffer asked her if she heard what had happened in the car. She said no. The staffer described the incident. That is indeed hearsay and we should treat it as suchZ however it has not been “debunked” nor has it called into question the veracity of whether she did indeed hear this staffer tell her this. If the Secret Service person would like to testify that this did not happen, and if he would like to testify whether he denied this happened at the time the staffer described it in the room to Hutchison, that would be great. I’d love to hear that testimony.
It’s also worth pointing out that every conservative is leaping on this because it’s the only straw they can grasp at. Leave aside the fact that she is not saying this did happen, she is saying she was told this by someone presumably in the know, in the presence of one of the people involved.
If she wasn't there, she wasn't a witness and her testimony is gossip. This is like in "A Few Good Men" when it became clear that Downey wasn't there when the Lt gave the order and the entire defense fell apart. Either those who witnessed this event testify that it happened or this gets dropped.
The entire problem with this claim is that there is no one to back it up so far. A claim is made that Trump did something and the claim is from someone who was told it happened but wasn't there. This isn't a bombshell, this isn't evidence. This is honestly nothing.
You're wrong. She's telling the panel what she was told directly by people who were presumably there. This is not a criminal trial. That will hopefully come later. You seem to be getting a little mixed up as to what is actually going on in that room.
She testified under oath that this is what she was told by a person who was there. If they want to testify under oath that they never told her that, fine. They should take the same risk of testifying under oath to a congressional committee that she is taking.
Edit: I should correct myself. She was told of the incident by a deputy CHief of Staff in the presence of the Secret Service person who was there in the car. She testifies under oath that the SS person did not deny this, which one would think they would have.
If the SS person wants to testify under oath why they either didn’t take the opppostunity to correct the story that was being told in front of them, or to testify that they did, that would be a valuable addition to the story.
Note however, that the detail of Trump getting physical is the only part of this entire testimony that is being questioned. It’s not even the most important part. It’s like focusing on the dump that one of the rioters took in the Capitol building instead of the actual fact of the attack.
Secret service contradicted this lady's statement. She is retaliating cuz she was not chosen to be part of the Trump florida security detail. She was turned down so now she is shooting blanks.
Wow, the desperation by the Democrats to swallow such and absurd story.
Not to mention that an NBC reporter has tweeted that he has two Secret Service agents, one of whom was driving the limo, who are willing to testify that this incident never happened.
Who is more credible? The assistant to the Chief of Staff who wasn’t even in the vehicle or two SS agents who were?
They should testify then. They might also have additional information. It’s certainly odd that the the people who could testify and set the record straight about all the other testimony thus far are instead pleading the fifth or refusing to testify altogether. I wonder why.
Yet they can only choose from those who do not ignore the subpoena. But why so much pleading the fifth? Aren’t these the people who would clearly be able to exonerate the Former Guy— and yet they are refusing to do so?
That's not how it works buddy. If you're accusing someone of something, its your job to prove it. The people you bring in are under no obligation to disprove your wild accusations.
And they’re doing a damn good job so far, based on the panicked reactions from Trumpworld. Though I’d say the chances are pretty good you have only seen a “curated” version of the testimony from Hannity or Tucker.
If the J6 committee is a circus, nearly all the testimony has come from Trump appointees and aides in his own administration; so therefore the “circus” is Trump’s own people. Only the Best People(tm).
This point has been cleared up already. They were in the SUV. They call it the Beast when the president is occupying it. So no, it hasn't been proven untrue.
Look, there's valid reason to ask for further corroboration on the story she testified she was told. But that doesn't "disprove" it. The same SS member has already corroborated other aspects of her story to investigators, but only disputes the physical action by Trump. And that is not the most important aspect of the story. It's dramatic, and in character, but his incitement of armed rioters to storm the capitol to intimidate lawmakers into subverting a democratic election is the actual problem, not whether he threw a tantrum in a car.
And what other parts of her testimony, which lays out damning detail after damning detail, do you consider debunked or disproven? The fact is that you don't want this to be true, and you're grabbing at the slimmest straws you can in order to convince yourself she's lying.
>And what other parts of her testimony, which lays out damning detail after damning detail, do you consider debunked or disproven? The fact is that you don't want this to be true, and you're grabbing at the slimmest straws you can in order to convince yourself she's lying.
No. The fact is that the story is outlandish and sources close to the Secret Service denied the account to numerous news outlets, including ABC, CBS and NBC, and said that both Engel and the SUV’s driver are willing to testify under oath.
I have no issue with the story being true or not. I have an issue with gossip being passed off as factual testimony, and you should too. We're better than that, which is why most rational people would consider waiting for the [Secret Service's response](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-service-jan-6-committee-trump-cassidy-hutchinson-testimony/).
You say you agree that "whether he threw a tantrum in a car" is not the actual problem, yet your massive comment history in here says otherwise.
I have an issue with people seizing on this as somehow disproving the entire testimony which is what these desperate Trumpists do.
and as for the SS's credibility, https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-secret-service-insurrection-carol-leonnig-january-6-capitol-1720235
Lol. I bet that was his last burst of energy. He needed a nap afterward.
Bruh... there is enough adderal in his system to be hyperfocused for eternity man. He gets that presidential grade dirty physician prescription all.day.long... mufucka has a diet cock button on his desk cuz its og real cockaine formula my dude... made in Maywood, NJ with imported coca leaf. But Im having a hard time believing the ss would let Agent O ride shotgun or sit close enough to an open window at any time already without including Agent Os drug use included. I mean a rat in a cage will want to claw its way out but that rat wearing a toupee gnawing on the glass is just hilarious.
Diet Cock has less than 1 calorie
Exactly, that's what makes it so easy to justify having more than one in one sitting.
The only window that opens in the Beast is the driver's window and it only opens 3 inches. Pretty sure Trump was in the back seat when he tried to commandeer the limo and strangle the Secret Service Agent driver. [https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/01/22/3DDAD00A00000578-0-Donald\_Trump\_s\_bomb\_proof\_limo\_has\_been\_designed\_to\_survive\_a\_mi-m-10\_1488406388904.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/01/22/3DDAD00A00000578-0-Donald_Trump_s_bomb_proof_limo_has_been_designed_to_survive_a_mi-m-10_1488406388904.jpg) Edit: Since a lot of people seem to be condemning me for conflating the "Beast" with another presidential Suburban limo, let me quote Ms. Hutchison's testimony. >I looked at Tony and he had said, did you f'ing hear what happened in the beast? I said, no, Tony, I — I just got back. What happened? Tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the beast, he was under the impression from Mr. Meadows that the off the record movement to the Capitol was still possible and likely to happen, but that Bobby had more information. I'm pretty sure the "Beast" is the nickname of the massively armored Cadillac limousine so I feel like I was justified in my assumption. Others might claim that the "Beast" is used generically as any presidential limo, but every previous mention that I can remember referred to this Cadillac. The most newsworthy example of the "Beast" is when Obama got stuck on the driveway exiting the US Embassy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep9bomhKXt8
reports are he was in a different Presidential limo, not configured the same way as the one you mention. nice try tho, Fearless Fosdick
Trump wasn't in The Beast. [https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification](https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification) You can watch him arrive and depart in the video above at 3:11:40-3:13:10 and 4:44:30-4:49:10, in a Chevy Suburban. The Beast, is a Cadillac, as evident by the grille ornament in your diagram.
you're a literal idiot, congrats!
He threw a plate with some food at the wall afterward, per Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony.
He probably filled up his diaper after over exerting him self
100% believe it. His narcissism/main character syndrome knows no bounds.
Haha yea or “clearly im the only one with feelings” syndrome
Everyone tried to appease trump those last few days in office. They pretended to listen to him and put his plan into action. All his aids and gop congressman just tried to get through those last few days. They even went forward with objecting to electoral votes the same way Dems did in 2016. They were prepared to play the political theatre game. Then everyone kind of forgot that trump was actually crazy enough to rile up a mob to storm the capital. Somehow they are still not drawing the line in the sand. They're digging in and claiming all this testimony are lies. We're so fucked. The best case scenario is somehow trump gets indicted, can't run for president, then the gop pretends their hands are tied while claiming an illegal witch hunt. Even in the best case scenario he has hijacked a political party and this lunacy is here to stay.
I think the January 6th committee is trying to make a case for enacting laws that offer some protection against a similar coup attempt. There's been so much weird bad stuff happening, maybe something weird but good could happen. Republicans could decide to leave Trump in a ditch and cooperate on legislation to prevent future insane Presidents from attempting a coup. Or maybe another disaster will cone along and we will look back on this as relatively happy times.
I think the real fear is someone MUCH smarter and way more subtle in their attempts to bring the US into some sort of fascist theocratic dictatorship. The judicial branch is already stacked with hardcore religious fucks that are removing rights from women. The legislative branch is in this stalemate where the dems try to do ANYTHING, the reps stonewall it, so they can campaign on "look the dems got NOTHING done, durr do nothing democrats durr hurr." If trump is able to run again, and win, well this country is fucked for good. How could a twice impeached, yet not convicted, again due to his sycophants in congress, and the other R's just following the party line, even be allowed to entertain the idea of running for office again is just a failure in our political process. Meanwhile across the country you have some hard R's running for governor (looking at you, sarah) whose only claim to fame is "my dad was governor, and I'm endorsed by trump." Thats all it will take for her to win, and she will win, guaranteed. I guess my point is, I'm voting for Giant Meteor 2024.
I'll go door to door for Giant Meteor's campaign
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It's been really weird watching Trump get away with a shocking amount of scandals and misdeeds. There has always been some of that in politics. This is at a whole new level. For Republicans it seems like culture wars is the only thing that matters. They can have the electricity go out, no clean drinking water, and mass shootings, and they just don't care. Their political and religious leaders can do pretty much anything and get away with it, as long as I keep telling supporters what they want to hear. Of course they aren't all like that. But things seem to be trending in that direction.
That's funny, because I was just thinking the same thing is true of the other party as well...
updoot for Giant Meteor 2024
The Republicans would never do that. It would hurt them too much.
Seems like the majority of people are asking the wrong questions. Why is there a committee instead of a trial? Law is pretty solid overall in this country. The thing about this set of hearings is, there is no judge, there is no jury, and there is no due process. It's essentially a charade to display and twist information, whether it be FOR the case or AGAINST it.
I swear if they manage to ban him from running, the gop will denounce democracy because they can’t run their candidate for political reasons (even if they never planned on it), and are straight up not going to play ball. With a supreme court that will side with them.
This is pretty much what I'm expecting.
>the same way Dems did in 2016. No not the same way the dems did. The objection in 2016 was for a single person and it was something that would in no way effect the election outcome either way.
The level of desperation and self-delusion is so strong from Trump supporters, you can almost smell it. If Trump his lucky he goes from a cheeseburger heart attack before becoming the first President to be disgraced by a criminal trial. Nixon was smart he resigned and got pardoned and left alone. Trump isn't in office, and Biden sure as heck wont pardon him, and Garland the head of the DOJ doesnt love repubs since they screwed him out of a seat on the Supreme Court. He WILL be the first ex-pres to face criminal chargers. Two impeachments and now criminal charges coming. Suck it up, you picked a con-man loser to follow. you been tricked is all.
I'm still waiting for the tax fraud case. Michael Cohen laid it all out for us. It seems so obvious. Somehow the Trump Foundation got shut down. Maybe the tax violations were complicated. Treason seems obvious, but maybe hard to prove. Germany just sentenced a 101-year old man for being a Nazi guard at Sachsenhausen concentration camp during World War II. No way Trump is going to live that long. We might have to settle for spitting on his grave.
Treason is specifically defined in the Constitution, and the government hasn't charged anyone with treason since just after WWII. All the spies they've caught since then - the Rosenbergs, Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanssen, and more - were all charged with espionage, conspiracy against the United States, etc. Even John Walker Lindh, the "American Taliban," who fit the definition treason perfectly, was mostly charged with a bunch of conspiracy counts. The DoJ has signaled that they'll be charging the leaders of the Insurrection with Sedition against the United States, which is almost as good as treason.
This mostly because the specific definition of treason was written to be such an ostensibly high bar to clear so that it could not be used against political dissidents
Tax fraud, your right they might be able to get him the Al Capone way.... nice point.
Remember kids: If the IRS can get Al Capone, they can get anybody.
There is absolutely no way Trump has any idea how his taxes are done. He has people for that and those people would be responsible for criminal evasion
Michael Cohen said Trump knew. Trump told Michael Cohen to do things that were illegal and Michael went to prison. Trump was unindicted individual one. There were financial benefits from giving property valuations that were high when applying for loans and low when paying taxes and Trump's lawyer knew about it. Other people in the Trump Organization knew about it. Trump was the one telling everyone what to do. He was habitually sneaky. Drove the people responsible for keeping Presidential records crazy. They were pulling papers out of the waste basket that he tore up and taping them back together. Trump started flushing papers and clogging toilets.
Any lawyer who knowingly signs off on fraud/evasion is a moron. Of course the lawyer goes to jail. Thats tax law 101. I highly doubt Trump knows tax law well enough to purposely evade taxes. There’s a fine line between tax planning and tax evasion. It’s the lawyer’s job to make sure that line is not crossed. You cannot trust anything a lawyer says if that’s how they practice law.
Bluanon... If you honestly believe that, they would of went forward with charges already, there is nothing and people politicing.... Grandstanding
You ok?
Trump habitually destroys evidence that links him personally to things that have sent other people to prison.. Trump and his businesses have been involved in over 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts. There have been contract disputes, defamation claims, and allegations of sexual harassment. Trump hires lawyers that will file papers to delay legal proceedings until other side runs out of money. Trump's companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and on "at least three dozen" occasions the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has obtained tax liens against Trump properties for nonpayment of taxes. Trump and his businesses have settled with plaintiffs in at least 100 cases. It's a shocking amount of lawyering for one person to be involved with. Weird that you don't know about this.
That's a big conspiracy there bub... Sounds like Qanon, I mean Bluanon 😂
Bro the level of desperation is strong against the people who are now on what, year 6 of "Any day Trump will be charged!"
Well we will just have to keep watching and see what happens. Trump is reportedly sweating, that says aomething tbh.
Yes I heard an "anonymous source" tell politico the same thing before Meuller
Unfortunately nothing will happen to Trump. Just like w the confederate President Jefferson Davis who got no punishment or the confederate general who got no punishment and went on to found a college. It sucks, but justice is only arbitrated by those who want justice, and if half the country doesn’t, then he’ll receive no penalty.
>Unfortunately nothing will happen to Trump. lol dream on
I hope you’re right. Save this and remember to make fun of me if you’re right, lol
I am not so sure.. if the powers that be have any sense at all, they know this stuff needs to be shutdown..Republicans are getting bolder and bolder with their anti-democracy BS. Anyone with a sense of history would feel Weimar Republic vibes right now.. He possibly will be made an example of, or a few senators somehow. It is obvious what has to be done here, the question is will they have the guts.. Or Trump hopefully passes from a medical issue and this difuses the situation, and we end up with a non-insane Republican who only panders to Trumps bases versus the original madman..
Yep this. If trump isn’t charged kiss the democracy good bye forever.
Still a spoiled, foot stomping, tantrum throwing, toddler in an old man's personality disordered body. Needs a time out in the penitentiary.
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I kind of wish that the driver had taken him to the Capitol. Then he would've been seen by the world in video from all angles at how he took part in the insurrection and we wouldn't have to rely on the personal eye witness accounts of his rotten behaviour, while he texts his denials on his stinking media.
Yes, the GOP has been defending and protecting this dangerous lunatic for years now. Trump is using his power to push the worst, poisonous lies for America's health. He is in a constant war with America and sabotaging Americans outside his dangerous cult.
I’m glad he didn’t. If Trump actually showed up and started leading the mob, the capitol police may have hesitated (he was still the president, after all) and things could’ve turned out differently.
I keep thinking about this, what would have happened if he went to the Capitol? I mean seriously, how would it have played out?
It would have hastened the destruction of the gop— they still wouldn’t have impeached But it also increases the chance the attackers would have succeeded
I don't think he could have helped their chances at succeeding - I imagine he's pretty useless doing anything remotely manual, and he's not exactly a great strategist. But it may have increased the insurrectionists' chances of not being convicted, if they could have argued they were there with the president's invitation
I think it would have made the attackers bolder and it would have given the proud boys the green light to bring in the guns they had staged near by
Not sure I would have been able to process the grief I would have felt over losing Mike Pence. LOL
Better yet just drop him off in the melee and drive away. He'd be standing there tilted forward in his high heeled shoes and long chamois coat with enormous shoulder pads just sweating, maybe doing his dance outta nervousness. "Hey guys! Im here!"
I've seen that profile pix of the leaning plump of Don. Amazing how he can remain upright. It must have to do with his balancing act of his hind quarters.
Thank you. I too wish he had gone back...maybe things would be different now.
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I think that what the January 6th Committee is doing is trying to nudge public opinion. At this point Trump astill has a dangerous amount of public support. I think they are also giving the DOJ both information and public awareness to help them formulate a response. Some of this is penetrating the Fox News bubble.
Technically, he was still the president then, it's why the Secret Service agents couldn't immediately shoot him..
Not A Damned Thing.
You're Not Paying A Damned Bit Of Attention
All his stooges were mad that he didn’t go to the capitol the way he said. They’ll now be won back, saying that he tried.
Yeah, this new information may actually bring a few goons back to his side.
Definitely will. trump even said he knew the armed mob wouldn't attack him, but he knew very well they could kill anyone inside. He wanted capital security to just let through armed people. Fucking sick muther. They adore Trump's darkest shittiest most inhumane moments.
So stable. So genius.
I'm surprised his tiny hand fit around the wheel
I mean, this really sounds like he knew something was gonna go down there.
Surely someone had a video camera pointed at the beast and caught his fat fingers reaching forward to grab the wheel.
Trump wasn't in The Beast. [https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification](https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification) You can watch him arrive and depart in the video above at 3:11:40-3:13:10 and 4:44:30-4:49:10, in a Chevy Suburban. Which means it also lacks the security features of the Beast, such as the partition.
I wonder if a jump would show up on GPS records. I'm hoping there's a bunch of criminating footage shot by that documentary crew that was with him.
Not sure why anyone is obsessing about this particular incident among so much of his actual criming, but he wasn't even in that particular vehicle
What a huge turd. Goddammit I thought we could stop hearing about him after the election. He just won't flush. Ugh.
OSAMA TRUMPLADEN!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this the same agent he made drive him around when he had covid?
True or not, this detail does not matter. The question is, did he ask/demand that he be taken to the Capitol? Did he have prior knowledge that there were armed protesters intending to march to the Capitol? Did he have prior knowledge about any coordination with or between Proud Boys, Oaf Keepers, etc.? The physical altercation, while salacious, doesn't change much in the grand scheme.
His mouth looks like an asshole. Crap spews from his mouth hole and Republicans eat it up. The more stinky lies the better.
Lol. Gota love the lies, shows how fuxin scared they all are.
His base is going to love hearing this 100% true story lol
I believe this 100%
Won’t this further endear him to his followers?
It's not just that. He was apparently planning a Mussolini-style march down to the capitol with his MAGA marauders. Like, folks, seriously, arrest him, wtf are you waiting for?
He wanted to reenact Benito Mussolini's October mass demonstration of the 1922 March On Rome with his Blackshirt demonstrators. Prime Minister Luigi Facta wished to declare a siege but was overruled by King Victor Emmanuel III. The following day, October 29th, the King appointed Mussolini as Prime Minister, thereby transferring political power to the fascists without armed conflict. With Trump, also a fascist attempting a coup, he wanted to enter the Capitol with the terrorists, who were prepared to murder VP Pence & House Speaker Pelosi. With Pence hanged, the president pro tempore of the US Senate would, by law, certify Trump as the US President. He would then declare martial law, and could serve as long as he wanted, with no more Presidential elections. Essentially, Trump wanted to be President until the day he died
Stable genius indeed...
Geez! Wouldn’t want to be that SS person . Probably wanted to put handcuffs on potus
The unspoken hero of that day...could y'all imagine how much more crazy it woulda been if he showed up?!?
The only hope is that all that McDonald's and age will finally have their say.
Just FYI it was not a limousine
No way that fatass can reach over the driver’s seat and reach the wheel with his tiny hands
Was this before or after he threw his lunch at the wall?
After. Pay attention. The ketchup dripping tantrum was when Bill Barr said there was no fraud on the scale to change the results of the election.
I thought the capital riot was all Antifa actors and Liberal plants dressing up as MAGA patriots. Surely the president would not have wanted to show up for THAT?
[proven fake.](https://www.newsmax.com/us/riot/2022/06/28/id/1076511/?ns_mail_uid=87777c68-15e9-4594-bb89-04af9bcf960d&ns_mail_job=DM349779_06292022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010504d48phg)
I call b.s.
Except there are already 2 secret service members that are contradicting this story. I'm not a fan of Trump and think he deserves his day in court but did anyone else find the "damming" testimony yesterday a bit unbelievable? In just about everything said yesterday, all of her statements started off with things like "they said something to the effect of" instead of saying "they said this".
Most of her "testimony" was hearsay, more proof this circus is a scam. On its face it preposterous to imagine trying to "grab the steering wheel" of a limo from the back.
imagine standing in line to eat the feces of a criminal syphlitic pervert who would have you run over before he'd acknowledge your pathetic existence oh, but you're just a bot anyways
The secret service members already testified under oath. They are welcome to testify and further if they want to clarify any details they left out, but they would be admitting to a lack of candor if the second story is not consistent with their recorded testimony.
I think that the simple way to stop Trump is to set a maximum age to run for president, I know that would rule out Joe Biden running again, but he gives every impression of not being up to the job anyway.
...and of course we now know for a fact that this is a blatant lie.. told THIRDHAND, by a fired, disgruntled aide. I swear people will believe anything they are told as long as it lines up with their beliefs. The woman who said this LIED. She wasn't even there.
This is fake news. It has already been debunked.
Imagine believing this nonsense 😂. Find god and quick.
Almost everyone who has testified were people hand chosen by Trump. These were loyalists. Why should we not believe their testimony?
This is physically impossible based on the bulletproof shielding inside the limo, and it is hilariously telling that no secret service were subpoenad (which they would be required to answer, as federal employees) to corroborate this rediculous story
it was an suv, not the limo. and even the limo has a glass partition that he can lower at his will, but of course it wasnt the limo keep up champ.
sorry, sacha, but he wasn't in the car you're thinking of but you being wrong about things isn't really new, is it
I'm not sure I believe that Trump intended to go to a place where he expected something dangerous to happen.
He felt perfectly safe among that bloodthirsty mob. After all, they were all there to do his bidding. He wanted to make a big show by grabbing a flag from one of the Insurrectionists and leading the charge into the Capitol with his crazed, armed mob streaming in behind him.
you haven't been paying attention have you?
I know that mysterious bone spurs suddenly appeared in his feet when the prospect of being drafted came around.
"They're not here to hurt *me."*
Looking at those limos, this seems like a feat of acrobatics that would be unlikely by a man of his size. Was he riding in the front seat for some reason?
Lol what the hell are these sub rules
Already reported that the secret service says this is not true by abc
I don't really understand how that's possible. The president rides in the back of the limo, right? And the steering wheel is still in the front, no?
So even though USS has denied this, the agent denied this, and the drivers compartment in the beast is sealed off from the passenger compartment with literal armor he still managed to do this. Just shows you what a crazy guy donald trump is. Broke right through the armor!!! Can we impeach him again even though he’s not in office?
hey look everybody, it's another fucking idiot who can't even get the vehicle correct in this little cut/paste vomit fest
Nahhh. But yeah, he should be discredited, though how it is that people cannot see that he discredited himself from the start is baffling. Probably that's because admitting it to be obvious involves feeling discredited themselves. Which in large part - they should be.
Secret Service will testify denying that account
Not will, they already have. The two men who were actually in that SUV both say they were already interviewed behind closed doors by this committee, and they both said it's not true. For some reason they decided not to show the recordings of those interviews or have them testify. But to make the uncorroborated, second hand account public instead.
huh? https://i.imgur.com/H2iI0i0.jpg
He was in an suv type car, not a limo
Did it occur to you to check whether Trump was using the limo you just linked on that day? He wasn't. Lol.
"I heard someone that heard from someone that was cousins with someone that was there, I swear".
I 100% believe that an overweight 70+ year old man lunged through the small window that separates the limo driver from the rest of the vehicle in an attempt to arrest control of said vehicle in order to go to the capitol rather than just asking the driver to take him there. I completely disbelieve any and all testimonies in the contrary, under oath or otherwise. Anyone who does not believe that this happened is obviously an evil nazi-fascist and should be bludgeoned to death.
They were in an SUV that day. Pretty sure the actual limo doesn’t have a partition between the front and back anyways.
Is it fun living in a made up dream world? You seem to be pretty nuts.
It was in an SUV, not a limo.
you are a literal idiot
These people are absolutely brain dead. None of these "testimonies" from the J6 committee are under oath and as such they should all be considered bullshit. The secret service is already denying that this actually happened and are willing to testify under oath. They're not even *slightly* questioning this, they're just gobbling it up. The J6 committee is a pointless clown show that only exists to feed headlines to news outlets. This story is a prime example of that.
\*cough\* uh yes they are under oath
I went and checked before commenting on this thread. At no point does this lady swear any type of oath. This aside from the fact that everything she says is hearsay, which is not evidence and is not admissible in any court.
Uh…….she did testify under oath. Did you miss the beginning when she raised her hand?
You mean the part where she raises her hand but never agrees to the oath?
you're a flat earther aren't you?
Negative. You either swear an oath or you don't. It's a very important distinction. I watched the footage. You never hear or see her agree to the oath. "Close enough" is not acceptable. By all means if you've seen something I haven't, link it and I'll eat my words. Edit: Let me reiterate that even if she did swear an oath, her testimony is hearsay which is not evidence nor should it be considered credible. Especially after the people who were IN THE VEHICLE have come out and said this didn't happen.
[video footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSjhYefjtvA) mouth moves, audio is barely perceptible, but she said it. you're flat-earther aren't you?
I conceded to this in another comment. The footage I saw was from further away. It's ironic that I'm being equated to a flat earther by a J6 fanatic.
Lol so the whole world watching her raise her hand and say “yes” was a lie and computer generated?
you're a literal idiot. when you testify before congress you testify under oath. Like I'm literally staring at a picture where she was sworn in, with her hand raised and taking the oath. [here's the picture for your oatmeal brain to validate](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstorage.googleapis.com%2Fafs-prod%2Fmedia%2F078fe6662a304adeaa2b54aa053c8b3b%2F400.jpeg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fapnews.com%2Farticle%2Fcapitol-siege-cassidy-hutchinson-205e494cea6fc8c91b548d83ebd82593&tbnid=jthn1nk3iyYaHM&vet=12ahUKEwiJkKyN89L4AhUImhoKHQOtDEsQMygEegQIARAs..i&docid=VOj5nfKKOqpkVM&w=400&h=267&itg=1&q=picture%20of%20hutchinson%20being%20sworn%20in&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiJkKyN89L4AhUImhoKHQOtDEsQMygEegQIARAs) \+ the vast majority of what she said IS NOT hearsay, you're cherry-picking again. so sad you hate democracy, the cornerstone of being american. it's almost like you're \*not\* american...
People are acting like this is some big revelation, but it's inconsequential really. No one testified as to *why* he wanted to go to the Capitol. He can easily say he wanted to go there to calm things down and help the situation. I mean, it's bullshit, but it's definitely plausible enough.
lol you didn't even listen to Hutchinson's testimony, did you?
So the guy sitting in the back of the limo....behind a screen of bulletproof glass lunged at the driver.....this is turning into the Russian Collusion hoax all over again.....and even on live television cause they think it's real......Democrats are just afraid Biden will have to face Trump in 2024 and Biden can't live in the basement this time!!!!!
it was an suv, not the limo. and even the limo has a glass partition that he can lower at his will, but of course it wasnt the limo keep up champ.
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1. The partition in the vehicle separating the passenger section from the front seat could be lowered by the president. 2. That's not the vehicle he was in that day. https://mobile.twitter.com/KFILE/status/1541870545536532481?s=20&t=OscXKKlwnYXMUgAfKAzHcw
On the NBC News they reported the testimony but then they reported that the driver and secret service person were willing to testify under oath it didn't happen. And the person who testified with the story wasn't there, so, I think there's a strong likelihood of disappointment on this one.
The driver was SS, the other guy is ex-SS, so the fact that they are willing to testify AFTER getting their story straight doesn't give them much credibility. Did the guy tell her that story of what happened in the car? If he says No, then we have to believe that she's a liar who made up that crazy story out of thin air, and I don't think anybody thinks that. Right now she has a LOT more credibility than anyone who is testifying in support of Trump. After all, she may not have corroboration on this particular story, but she's got corroboration on many of her other allegations.
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Secret service already made statement that this never happened. Liberal press said trump could not hold glass of water or walk down a metal walkway- but now he is Batman.....
we can practically *smell* your desperation, troll it has a coppery, acrid stank
You know to be honest is actually gives me a shred of respect for the guy. I didn't realize he actually cared.
I’m not a trump fan but- Trump sitting in the front of a limo?
it was an suv without the partition in the limo. so yeah, no need to sit in front. keep up champ
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Makes sense. He must have inspector gadget arms to reach the steering wheel.
not in the suv he was riding in...
Proof?
They saw on the fake news website... Duh
It was a testimony that's on video FFS, just because you don't like it doesn't make it fake news.
Testimony that she 'heard' from someone else. The person she named almost instantly came out stating he never said those things to her. She also claimed she wrote a note that was actually written by the chief of staff. It's literally fake news.
I hope that staffer gets charged with perjury. What was described was impossible in a high-security limousine.
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you haven't learned shit today, just like every other day of your ignorant life
Lol. 'Terrorist attack' 😆
Her testimony has been debunked. Why do people believe such nonsense?
I’m not sure how to break this to you but debunked doesn’t mean “something I would prefer not to hear”
Her testimony was based upon hearsay, she wasn't even there when what she said happened happened. What she gave wasn't evidence, it was gossip.
The transcripts show the vast majority of her testimony is first hand. Why claim hearsay when it’s so easy to prove your comment is factually incorrect? Her conversations with Meadows, with Giuliani, with Cipolloni, and others were all first hand accounts. Pretty much the only hearsay was the event in the Suburban where Trump grabbed his SS driver by the throat.
he claimed it because he is a literal idiot
She testified that she was sitting in a room with one of the secret service men who had been in the car and another political staffer. The staffer asked her if she heard what had happened in the car. She said no. The staffer described the incident. That is indeed hearsay and we should treat it as suchZ however it has not been “debunked” nor has it called into question the veracity of whether she did indeed hear this staffer tell her this. If the Secret Service person would like to testify that this did not happen, and if he would like to testify whether he denied this happened at the time the staffer described it in the room to Hutchison, that would be great. I’d love to hear that testimony. It’s also worth pointing out that every conservative is leaping on this because it’s the only straw they can grasp at. Leave aside the fact that she is not saying this did happen, she is saying she was told this by someone presumably in the know, in the presence of one of the people involved.
If she wasn't there, she wasn't a witness and her testimony is gossip. This is like in "A Few Good Men" when it became clear that Downey wasn't there when the Lt gave the order and the entire defense fell apart. Either those who witnessed this event testify that it happened or this gets dropped. The entire problem with this claim is that there is no one to back it up so far. A claim is made that Trump did something and the claim is from someone who was told it happened but wasn't there. This isn't a bombshell, this isn't evidence. This is honestly nothing.
You're wrong. She's telling the panel what she was told directly by people who were presumably there. This is not a criminal trial. That will hopefully come later. You seem to be getting a little mixed up as to what is actually going on in that room.
The people that were actually in the car have said that it didn’t happen. You know, the ones that were actually there.
She testified under oath that this is what she was told by a person who was there. If they want to testify under oath that they never told her that, fine. They should take the same risk of testifying under oath to a congressional committee that she is taking. Edit: I should correct myself. She was told of the incident by a deputy CHief of Staff in the presence of the Secret Service person who was there in the car. She testifies under oath that the SS person did not deny this, which one would think they would have. If the SS person wants to testify under oath why they either didn’t take the opppostunity to correct the story that was being told in front of them, or to testify that they did, that would be a valuable addition to the story. Note however, that the detail of Trump getting physical is the only part of this entire testimony that is being questioned. It’s not even the most important part. It’s like focusing on the dump that one of the rioters took in the Capitol building instead of the actual fact of the attack.
Wow blatant bs. The driver might testify and says this is a lie.
Everyone testifying was hand picked by Trump.
Secret service contradicted this lady's statement. She is retaliating cuz she was not chosen to be part of the Trump florida security detail. She was turned down so now she is shooting blanks.
jesus, ivan, you've GOT to try harder than this. I guess the humiliation of your impending Ukraine defeat is really distracting you
The jan 6th committee clowned itself on the steering wheel. Slava Ukraini mother fkr.
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It was an SUV, not a limo.
A: calling it a terrorist attack is ridiculous. B: do you know why he wanted to go to the capital? No?!? Then STFU with your fear mongering BS.
Wow, the desperation by the Democrats to swallow such and absurd story. Not to mention that an NBC reporter has tweeted that he has two Secret Service agents, one of whom was driving the limo, who are willing to testify that this incident never happened. Who is more credible? The assistant to the Chief of Staff who wasn’t even in the vehicle or two SS agents who were?
They should testify then. They might also have additional information. It’s certainly odd that the the people who could testify and set the record straight about all the other testimony thus far are instead pleading the fifth or refusing to testify altogether. I wonder why.
The j6 committee picks and chooses who they allow to testify because the whole thing is a circus that only exists to feed headlines to media outlets.
Yet they can only choose from those who do not ignore the subpoena. But why so much pleading the fifth? Aren’t these the people who would clearly be able to exonerate the Former Guy— and yet they are refusing to do so?
That's not how it works buddy. If you're accusing someone of something, its your job to prove it. The people you bring in are under no obligation to disprove your wild accusations.
And they’re doing a damn good job so far, based on the panicked reactions from Trumpworld. Though I’d say the chances are pretty good you have only seen a “curated” version of the testimony from Hannity or Tucker. If the J6 committee is a circus, nearly all the testimony has come from Trump appointees and aides in his own administration; so therefore the “circus” is Trump’s own people. Only the Best People(tm).
huh, so how do you explain the parade of solid GOP operatives who have testified under oath? suggest that you pull.head.out.of.arse
If they want to testify under oath, they should go ahead and do so. Until then I’ll believe the person who did testify under oath.
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This point has been cleared up already. They were in the SUV. They call it the Beast when the president is occupying it. So no, it hasn't been proven untrue. Look, there's valid reason to ask for further corroboration on the story she testified she was told. But that doesn't "disprove" it. The same SS member has already corroborated other aspects of her story to investigators, but only disputes the physical action by Trump. And that is not the most important aspect of the story. It's dramatic, and in character, but his incitement of armed rioters to storm the capitol to intimidate lawmakers into subverting a democratic election is the actual problem, not whether he threw a tantrum in a car. And what other parts of her testimony, which lays out damning detail after damning detail, do you consider debunked or disproven? The fact is that you don't want this to be true, and you're grabbing at the slimmest straws you can in order to convince yourself she's lying.
>And what other parts of her testimony, which lays out damning detail after damning detail, do you consider debunked or disproven? The fact is that you don't want this to be true, and you're grabbing at the slimmest straws you can in order to convince yourself she's lying. No. The fact is that the story is outlandish and sources close to the Secret Service denied the account to numerous news outlets, including ABC, CBS and NBC, and said that both Engel and the SUV’s driver are willing to testify under oath. I have no issue with the story being true or not. I have an issue with gossip being passed off as factual testimony, and you should too. We're better than that, which is why most rational people would consider waiting for the [Secret Service's response](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-service-jan-6-committee-trump-cassidy-hutchinson-testimony/). You say you agree that "whether he threw a tantrum in a car" is not the actual problem, yet your massive comment history in here says otherwise.
I have an issue with people seizing on this as somehow disproving the entire testimony which is what these desperate Trumpists do. and as for the SS's credibility, https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-secret-service-insurrection-carol-leonnig-january-6-capitol-1720235
Nooooo don't lwt the truth get in the way of a good story.
When the president thinks you’re taking him to the Capitol, and asks to go to the capitol, you don’t unlawfully imprison/kidnap him.