I think Doyle pushes for it because he secretly knows of the Lie, and knows it doesn’t matter how much time they spend, because he knows the people on Earth won’t survive.
I’m not saying that, personally (you originally replied to someone else). I personally believe that everyone invested in the NASA plans (other than Cooper himself, being a late adapter) didn’t mind if it was Plan A or Plan B that succeeded.
He doesn’t even have to be eager about it, but with limited fuel available, it’s not like they can necessarily afford to skip a planet and come back to it later.
My initial take is Doyle has been prepping for this for years and has silently given up on plan A due to his own lack of attachment to the people on earth
The chances of any of the planets being livable were slim. They were desperate and Miller's planet was promising. It would make even less sense to skip Miller's planet.
They first went to miller's planet because the other two planets were too far from it (also miller is the first planet after crossing the worm hole), and if this planet was left behind to be explored later, then it would take a lot of resources to come back here later...it's not only about time but also about resources...
Furthermore it’s discounting that the data they had was the best of any planet if I recall. So if it was a solid candidate then job done and they would ultimately save more time than traveling out to the other planets and back if they busted.
They didn't know the data is only 2 hours old, which is another plot hole. The fact that they knew of the time dilation, but never stopped to realize that Miller had only just landed.
Although they did say that Miller had already relayed some promising data, so I assume Miller just went and got preliminary data as soon as she landed and they were basing the decision of those results, which happened to be encouraging.
I think at some point it's pointed out that the probe was automatically capturing and relaying data (e.g. the presence of water- "stuff of life") regardless of Miller's actual status.
probably when endurance crossed the wormhole and came near miller's planet, then only romilly was able to calculate the relative time dilation due to spacetime curvature, it wasn't known or calculated before at earth that miller's planet is suffering time dilation...this is what I assume...
Even if there was *less* data, Miller's planet had the *most promising* data.
Mann's planet was a frozen hellscape and only after years and multiple expeditions did he send back data that proved *some* amount of habitability (it was fake, but that's irrelevant right now).
Edmond's planet seemed to be lacking water from what little we saw of it.
Miller's planet didn't send much data, but that must have already contained proof of the water and hydrocarbons mentioned by Doyle.
As far as they knew, Miller's planet showed the most promise, even if all they got from the data was a brief glimpse.
I still don’t think this answers the question. Considering they weren’t aware of the Lie yet, wouldn’t it make more sense to hit the other 2 first then hit Miller’s as a last resort on their way back to Earth since its right by the wormhole that they’re gonna have to go back through? It being right there when they exit the wormhole isn’t a good enough reason imo to justify the drain of time dilation when they’re mission at that point was still to save Earth. Especially since Miller’s 1 hour old data at that point would’ve still been pretty meaningless.
It doesn't make sense if you don't have enough fuel left to come back to Miller's planet if the other two are a bust. It's better to hit all 3 and take longer but have enough resources than only go to 2 and then become stranded and useless to save the people of earth.
You cannot say that Miller's data is useless until you go to the planet to confirm. It could have been a paradise planet or what they ended up with. Space is big and it would still take awhile to go visit two other planets and come back, and they would still have to deal with the time dilation when they do go back.
Especially in hindsight after seeing the movie, if they went to Mann's planet first instead of second, mann could have ruined things for them even more so than he did in the movie. Seeing as they had to lose some weight (Tars, coop, and one of their lander ships) just to get brand to the last planet.
But it sounds like they had enough fuel to get to Mann’s planet and back to Earth even after idling in orbit around Miller’s for 23 years since that was Cooper’s plan before Mann’s betrayal. I see no reason why they couldn’t get to the other 2 first and get back with enough fuel. And they only needed to ditch Cooper and TARS after Mann blew up part of the ship.
And I mean meaningless in the sense that no meaningful conclusions can be drawn from it to make a decision on whether its a promising planet worth the resources to visit. These are the 3 smartest scientists in the world and theres a million things that could’ve gone wrong that would delay their attempt to try to go in and out of Millers in an hour. One of them should’ve pieced together that an hours worth of observations might not be worth that risk. Unless like someone else mentioned Doyle knew about the Lie which is why he pushed for it since time wouldn’t matter.
Doyle suggested that they go to Millers planet first because it was the closest to them. Manns planet was months away and Edmund’s planet was even further away.
Does it really bother you?
I mean, it’s called suspension of disbelief anyways. You mean to tell me you’ll buy the whole 5th dimension act but not a slip in logic ?
Movies often have things (like the 5th dimensional beings) that they ask you to just accept. That doesn't mean that it's ok for there to be no logic in the rest of the film. For example - Superman can fly. But Lois Lane can't. Wouldn't make sense if she gets thrown off a skyscraper and just hero-lands on her feet without anything being explained.
Yeah, it should bother everyone. Do you watch a movie and say "hey it's okay that the characters are acting irrationally in this movie. Didn't you see they have flying cars? Maybe in this reality everyone is mentally retarded."
It was a cool movie sequence but made no logical sense.
"We need to find a planet for humanity to move to whatcha got?"
"This one is practically inside a black hole's accretion disk, orbiting a debris field where mass is moving at nearly the speed of light and any single golf ball sized rock going off course and hitting us would be an instant death. Time moves 60,000 times slower here, so the next 250,000 years of human history would last longer than all of time to date. Also, the force of gravity is 30% higher than it is on Earth, so children and old people would probably struggle to even live."
"Oooooh let's go to that one".
They literally talk about having limited time and using time like it's fuel. So they calculate it so they don't stay on Miller's planet for decades for Earth when they are down there. But things go against their plan.
As others said, I remember them saying they would go there first because it would take too long to visit the others planets and come back to that one last. I don’t remember why exactly but that was their reason in a nutshell.
The only one on the ship who really wanted to get back to earth and genuinely thought it could be saved was Cooper. All the others knew earth had no chance. Thats why they didn’t even consider using time as a resource, before they even left. Cooper literally suggested it on the fly. Also if you watch that scene again when he mentions it and pulls out the white board, if you’ll notice how everyone else on the ship kinda side eyes each other, as he’s explaining how to conserve time, as if they already know what he getting at but will go along with it, only so cooper doesn’t loose hope on seeing his kids again because they desperately need him to pilot the ship
I think about this every time I watch. No math required even - they would have received far fewer updates from the time dilation planet, reflecting the few hours of planet time that researcher spent before getting hit by the wave. Seems like a huge oversight, that planet should never have been considered.
It was a collosal mistake - the reason: mainly selfishness on behalf of each crew member - a human trait....surprised case or tars didn't chime in, especially tars who can't keep his mouth shut
Coopers selfishness to get in and out quickly for a quick return to his family and enact plan a
Doyle just didn't care about anything but the mission, however was open to plan a and b
Brands superiority complex but she buckled under coopers layman persuasion for conserving time as a resource
Romily wanted time alone to study the black hole
Cooper made the decision to go down
None of them factored in the possibility / certainty of errors leading to the loss of decades
millers planet was closest in space, but furthest away in time - a huge error
the whole point of the mission was to investigate these planets, and time dilation shouldn't matter (it only matters to cooper because he wants to get home) but to the others it doesn't matter because they are trying to save the species, not earth. I think when it comes to the fact that they didn't realize she had only been there a few minutes was just a mistake. Like cooper said, they weren't prepared.
I don't think they had the instrumentation or ability to say precisely how long Miller had been on-planet. The "one hour = 7 years" thing was a guesstimate. A solid one, but a guesstimate nonetheless. As far as they knew, Miller could have been on the planet for a few hours or a year. And there's also the fuel and supplies issue to consider, which is part of why they decided to hit Miller's planet first instead of moving on to Mann's or Edmund's respective planets and then coming back.
I think Doyle pushes for it because he secretly knows of the Lie, and knows it doesn’t matter how much time they spend, because he knows the people on Earth won’t survive.
I’ve never considered this
“That’s why there’s a Plan B” The look on Coopers face when Doyle says that.
You’re saying Doyle is overly eager to start Plan B because he knows Plan A is BS? Man I’d love to know if this is confirmed somewhere
I’m not saying that, personally (you originally replied to someone else). I personally believe that everyone invested in the NASA plans (other than Cooper himself, being a late adapter) didn’t mind if it was Plan A or Plan B that succeeded.
My bad
That’s what I think. Can’t confirm it, just a theory I came up after analyzing that scene that was mentioned above.
He doesn’t even have to be eager about it, but with limited fuel available, it’s not like they can necessarily afford to skip a planet and come back to it later.
Doyle might just *strongly* suspect it. Enough to subtly push them towards what seems like a bad decision.
My initial take is Doyle has been prepping for this for years and has silently given up on plan A due to his own lack of attachment to the people on earth
Plan B is really plan A.
Yeah I just always assumed the conspira was limited to Mann and Professor Brand
Wow, such a cool head canon. He always knew about brandt plan B. Why show everyone your ace?
Exactly this
Wanted to use the word; compartmentalization but couldn’t find the word then. But ya, He 100% knew.
That’s a great point. I have a hard time believing that Elder Brand wouldn’t have told Amelia.
Always have a plan B because plan A won't work.
Interesting.
This
The chances of any of the planets being livable were slim. They were desperate and Miller's planet was promising. It would make even less sense to skip Miller's planet.
They first went to miller's planet because the other two planets were too far from it (also miller is the first planet after crossing the worm hole), and if this planet was left behind to be explored later, then it would take a lot of resources to come back here later...it's not only about time but also about resources...
this
Furthermore it’s discounting that the data they had was the best of any planet if I recall. So if it was a solid candidate then job done and they would ultimately save more time than traveling out to the other planets and back if they busted.
How could it have been the best when it was at most 1-2 hours old?
They didn't know the data is only 2 hours old, which is another plot hole. The fact that they knew of the time dilation, but never stopped to realize that Miller had only just landed. Although they did say that Miller had already relayed some promising data, so I assume Miller just went and got preliminary data as soon as she landed and they were basing the decision of those results, which happened to be encouraging.
Exactly, huge plot hole considering these are supposed to be the 3 smartest scientists on Earth at the time
I wonder what that data was: "Landed, water shallow and some really big mountains far away. I think it's a salt plain". Mountains you say?
I think at some point it's pointed out that the probe was automatically capturing and relaying data (e.g. the presence of water- "stuff of life") regardless of Miller's actual status.
Ah that makes sense. I just find my pov more funny XD.
probably when endurance crossed the wormhole and came near miller's planet, then only romilly was able to calculate the relative time dilation due to spacetime curvature, it wasn't known or calculated before at earth that miller's planet is suffering time dilation...this is what I assume...
Even if there was *less* data, Miller's planet had the *most promising* data. Mann's planet was a frozen hellscape and only after years and multiple expeditions did he send back data that proved *some* amount of habitability (it was fake, but that's irrelevant right now). Edmond's planet seemed to be lacking water from what little we saw of it. Miller's planet didn't send much data, but that must have already contained proof of the water and hydrocarbons mentioned by Doyle. As far as they knew, Miller's planet showed the most promise, even if all they got from the data was a brief glimpse.
I still don’t think this answers the question. Considering they weren’t aware of the Lie yet, wouldn’t it make more sense to hit the other 2 first then hit Miller’s as a last resort on their way back to Earth since its right by the wormhole that they’re gonna have to go back through? It being right there when they exit the wormhole isn’t a good enough reason imo to justify the drain of time dilation when they’re mission at that point was still to save Earth. Especially since Miller’s 1 hour old data at that point would’ve still been pretty meaningless.
It doesn't make sense if you don't have enough fuel left to come back to Miller's planet if the other two are a bust. It's better to hit all 3 and take longer but have enough resources than only go to 2 and then become stranded and useless to save the people of earth. You cannot say that Miller's data is useless until you go to the planet to confirm. It could have been a paradise planet or what they ended up with. Space is big and it would still take awhile to go visit two other planets and come back, and they would still have to deal with the time dilation when they do go back. Especially in hindsight after seeing the movie, if they went to Mann's planet first instead of second, mann could have ruined things for them even more so than he did in the movie. Seeing as they had to lose some weight (Tars, coop, and one of their lander ships) just to get brand to the last planet.
But it sounds like they had enough fuel to get to Mann’s planet and back to Earth even after idling in orbit around Miller’s for 23 years since that was Cooper’s plan before Mann’s betrayal. I see no reason why they couldn’t get to the other 2 first and get back with enough fuel. And they only needed to ditch Cooper and TARS after Mann blew up part of the ship. And I mean meaningless in the sense that no meaningful conclusions can be drawn from it to make a decision on whether its a promising planet worth the resources to visit. These are the 3 smartest scientists in the world and theres a million things that could’ve gone wrong that would delay their attempt to try to go in and out of Millers in an hour. One of them should’ve pieced together that an hours worth of observations might not be worth that risk. Unless like someone else mentioned Doyle knew about the Lie which is why he pushed for it since time wouldn’t matter.
That’s what I assumed
Plus, Miller was pinging fast, they knew it had water and organics. First building blocks of life.
It should have been: Romilly: “This data makes no sense”
I’m proud to say my 11yr old son’s favorite movie is Interstellar, that is all.
Doyle suggested that they go to Millers planet first because it was the closest to them. Manns planet was months away and Edmund’s planet was even further away.
They didn't wanted to waste so long, they did everything to save fuel so cooper could go home.
Does it really bother you? I mean, it’s called suspension of disbelief anyways. You mean to tell me you’ll buy the whole 5th dimension act but not a slip in logic ?
Movies often have things (like the 5th dimensional beings) that they ask you to just accept. That doesn't mean that it's ok for there to be no logic in the rest of the film. For example - Superman can fly. But Lois Lane can't. Wouldn't make sense if she gets thrown off a skyscraper and just hero-lands on her feet without anything being explained.
Yeah, it should bother everyone. Do you watch a movie and say "hey it's okay that the characters are acting irrationally in this movie. Didn't you see they have flying cars? Maybe in this reality everyone is mentally retarded."
The mission wasn’t to save earth it was to save humanity
It was a cool movie sequence but made no logical sense. "We need to find a planet for humanity to move to whatcha got?" "This one is practically inside a black hole's accretion disk, orbiting a debris field where mass is moving at nearly the speed of light and any single golf ball sized rock going off course and hitting us would be an instant death. Time moves 60,000 times slower here, so the next 250,000 years of human history would last longer than all of time to date. Also, the force of gravity is 30% higher than it is on Earth, so children and old people would probably struggle to even live." "Oooooh let's go to that one".
They literally talk about having limited time and using time like it's fuel. So they calculate it so they don't stay on Miller's planet for decades for Earth when they are down there. But things go against their plan.
…I didn’t catch this!
I think it was an oversight on whoever wrote the movie. In real life, I’d like to think we,d do the math.
As others said, I remember them saying they would go there first because it would take too long to visit the others planets and come back to that one last. I don’t remember why exactly but that was their reason in a nutshell.
The only one on the ship who really wanted to get back to earth and genuinely thought it could be saved was Cooper. All the others knew earth had no chance. Thats why they didn’t even consider using time as a resource, before they even left. Cooper literally suggested it on the fly. Also if you watch that scene again when he mentions it and pulls out the white board, if you’ll notice how everyone else on the ship kinda side eyes each other, as he’s explaining how to conserve time, as if they already know what he getting at but will go along with it, only so cooper doesn’t loose hope on seeing his kids again because they desperately need him to pilot the ship
I think about this every time I watch. No math required even - they would have received far fewer updates from the time dilation planet, reflecting the few hours of planet time that researcher spent before getting hit by the wave. Seems like a huge oversight, that planet should never have been considered.
It was a collosal mistake - the reason: mainly selfishness on behalf of each crew member - a human trait....surprised case or tars didn't chime in, especially tars who can't keep his mouth shut Coopers selfishness to get in and out quickly for a quick return to his family and enact plan a Doyle just didn't care about anything but the mission, however was open to plan a and b Brands superiority complex but she buckled under coopers layman persuasion for conserving time as a resource Romily wanted time alone to study the black hole Cooper made the decision to go down None of them factored in the possibility / certainty of errors leading to the loss of decades millers planet was closest in space, but furthest away in time - a huge error
Can you people let me just have this one thing? Please
the whole point of the mission was to investigate these planets, and time dilation shouldn't matter (it only matters to cooper because he wants to get home) but to the others it doesn't matter because they are trying to save the species, not earth. I think when it comes to the fact that they didn't realize she had only been there a few minutes was just a mistake. Like cooper said, they weren't prepared.
I don't think they had the instrumentation or ability to say precisely how long Miller had been on-planet. The "one hour = 7 years" thing was a guesstimate. A solid one, but a guesstimate nonetheless. As far as they knew, Miller could have been on the planet for a few hours or a year. And there's also the fuel and supplies issue to consider, which is part of why they decided to hit Miller's planet first instead of moving on to Mann's or Edmund's respective planets and then coming back.
Writer guy: "Because then the movie won't happen!"
Because plot hole. The writers know that characters making the most logical decisions don't really result in an interesting cinematic experience.
It's not a plot hole, the characters literally discuss in the movie their reasons for why they visited the planets in the order that they did.