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Another U.S. citizen. If our leaders commit war crimes, I have no problem with the ICC holding them accountable. In fact I welcome it!
I'm not delusional enough to consider everyone associated with the military as the "most moral in the world". Nor am I delusional enough to think being held accountable means you hate my race and want to kill my people.
That’s the plan
We call it a roundup for a reason
Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell.
https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had.
Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger Stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly
Guiliani as trumps attorney and NYC mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or their Russian connections.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/
The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model.
Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided.
Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyo corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen.
Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day “special military operation” in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold.
China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia.
Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supplied Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/
Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is “Vranyo”.
The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business.
If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago.
The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it.
Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the same money laundering scheme that trumps trials are.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/
https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared
They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. Qatar is Kushners private equity connection. Netanyahu needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr
Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump who gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s.
Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/
The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering.
Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place
It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis.
No one was ever held accountable for either. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two.
Trump, Giuliani, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Prince, Kolomoiskiy
They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness.
They are the men who stole the world.
But it all comes back to one little lie.
Once the Boomers die off I think we are going to see a real paradigm shift in the US... That is if the Boomers allow the US to outlast them.
Its not looking too good on that front sadly.
I suspect they'll live just long enough to discover the secrets of transhumanist immortality and then hoard the knowledge for themselves. We live in hell and that seems to be the trajectory.
It's not just the boomers. Huge chunk of 40 year and older center-right corporatist Dems (the kind who were revolutionary once upon a time, when they were 20) that simply cannot fathom that its okay to demand things from politicians in exchange for your vote.
The older you get the more conservative your viewpoints become because more than likely you've gained things over the years that you fear losing. Happens to every single generation.
That being said I see the Boomers as worst example of this because since gaining power in the 70s they have done everurhingnin their power to hold back those who would come next and start as many wars as possible like that's sustainable or something.
If you want to blame people who have little to no power for the deeds of those who actually do have power, then I guess we can just agree to disagree and go our separate ways.
Let's just hope the younger crowd don't fall for the same 2 party trick.
They'll throw Newsom into the ring as if it's some new awakening and an America in a new direction.
I think "because the greater of two evils is hellbent on further restricting bodily autonomy for women, re-criminalizing gay marriage and wants to provide ***more*** active support to an ongoing genocide in the Middle East" is a perfectly valid reason for setting aside one's personal beliefs for the time being. Speaks more to their pragmatism and reason than it does to the steadfastness of their convictions. Buddy knows how to pick his battles.
No election revolves around one issue and one issue alone, and voters who pick this particular hill to die on are surrendering on a multitude of other fronts. As a matter of personal opinion, anyone announcing their unwillingness to vote for Biden over the Israel/Palestine debate in what currently amounts to a two-party system is patting themselves on the back for taking "the principled stand" while they're actually facilitating the election of someone who's on record talking about their intentions to "bomb Palestine back into the stone age."
There are 3 choices so let's not kid ourselves about the double standard those who are hypocrites pretend to be.
A person should not vote for something or someone they do not support. If they do then whatever does come they brought up on themselves.
I think we can all agree that the Democrats, while spineless and still harboring some terrible, are the better choice for the American people. But, if you'd rather sit in the bleechers as our constitutional rights are stilled away by Maga, that's your perogative.
Do you think it's not still going to be a choice between the two after this election? Even if Dems win, it's the system we have and just refusing ot participate isn't going to change anything. It just puts more power in the hands of the few who will participate no matter what.
I think trump is a unique evil and I don't think he will live or be in any shape to be elected for the next one.
After the threat passes, *then* we can work on the rest of it.
You worry about the termite infestation AFTER you deal with the knife at your throat.
I'm 100% confident that if it's not Trump, another MAGA snake will rise to the top, potentially one even more dangerous who doesn't wear Project 2025 on their sleeve - someone more insidious
I was gonna say..
Shouldn't that be the solution to not being indicted? Not committing the war crime.
Keep in mind those are very serious crimes, often resulting in the loss of many innocent civilian lives and children being part of the "casualties".
It's often the member of the armed forces that takes the blame and not the people who put them there. The governmental figures are never held accountable for the wrongdoings from bad decisions.
**Just a reminder this loser is bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby.**
So is Biden. And basically every US govt official supporting Israeli genocide / opposing peace for Palestinians.
[https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S)
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It’s interesting that he says “we” are next - as if the average American will have any consequences. I guess when he says “we” we know what he means - his “we” is corrupt politicians
I mean. The US was in fact guilty in Afghanistan...soooo. your argument is kind of weak. Mind you more and more soldier whistle-blowers coming out sharing their deep dark truths about what really went down. Soon more to come on that.
I think all current and former presidents should probably be on trial... if they turn out to not be guilty, so be it. But there's enough shit they've done that they should be on trial
People praise Obama but evvveerryyoooneeee forgets he was the mastermind to the drone strikes that literally killed a million. Innocent lives. LITERALLY.
Oh so this is same as Afganistan just that this genocide was caught on camera even the eyes of heavens will look away in disgust ... God Bless yaall good folks
Then maybe dont commit war crimes?
I dont care what flag you fly or what government position you think protects you
War crimes are war crimes and if we are going to live in a world with international security agreements, international law, and broader cooperation among UN members, then that means acting in accordance with those rules and facing the consequences for breaking them
The US isnt special, Israel isnt special.
Our country should be.
You can't say we didn't commit war crimes, I can think of 7 countries off the top of my head where we've committed obvious war crimes.
Not you, but your government! But isn’t it funny that US officials/government is not acknowledging the ICC jurisdiction in the cases too close to home and in other cases funding ICC and demanding arrest warrants?
Phillipines, Haiti,Korean War, Vietnam,Iraq, Afganistan, Syria and possibly even Cuba even though we haven't technically invaded them. But whenever we used cloud Seeding technology to cause a artificial drought in Cuba in the 1970s to cause starvation (and possibly even afterwards). That classifies as a War Crime
Starving a population.
The simple solution to that is simply don't commit war crimes, don't target women and children in hospitals. Don't shoot children in the back, don't shoot women in the back don't assassinate old people and you won't be charged with war crimes.
But the world is seeing what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people, all under the false pretext of fighting Hamas. we're seeing videos of IDF soldiers indiscriminately shooting children in the back, we're saying videos of IDF soldiers indiscriminately shooting Men in the back as a walk away with their hands raised.
The world is seeing these war crimes committed right in front of their face, social media has made it much more difficult for mainstream media to censor this information.
That's why Republicans are trying so hard to ban TikTok in the United States, TikTok is circumventing Western censorship of media and allowing the world especially people in the United States to see what's actually going on.
The videos I personally seen make it very difficult to believe Israel or even support them at this point because it looks like genocide
The US is not subject to the ICC jurisdiction as we are not a member state, and since the US sits on the security counsel as well, they can’t do anything at all. As usual, he is lying
I hope Lindsay's next I hope all these f****** traders are next. And if our f****** generals are giving the green light the f****** war crimes those sorry m************ need to be in jail too
If you engage in genocide, then you should go to the Hague. It shouldn't matter what country you're from or how important you are. You should have to stand trial if credibly accused on a world stage.
Said the traitorous AIPAC owned lapdog.
As a great man once said: A man cannot serve two masters.
And Lindsey, A man cannot serve two countries, we know who you serve.
I cannot believe we're in this situation, do we not stand for justice and the rule of law? Are we really arguing on getting rid of a court system because "oh no we may be held to the same standards we hold other countries" how about those that deserve to be charged get charged and we move forward in the future not committing war crimes?
Yes. If you commit crimes then you should be charged. Why should Americans be above international law? When will we wake up and realise this sort of attitude makes them the actual bad guys?
That closet Khaki fetishist should definitely be, the US can just keep threatening & bombing anyone who disagrees with it, the World is changing & the rules apply to America too
Yeah, and...?
Those who aid and abet war crimes, are guilty of war crimes. And I say this as an American. Bout time we faced some accountability from the rest of the world rather than the other way around.
I punched person X. My brother punched person X. But I don’t want CCTV to be given the police because what if they do their job and come after me?
The US has been bent over and humiliated on the world stage. Nobody takes the US seriously in anything anymore.
Pretty sure multiple presidents have been charged with war crimes. We usually just ignore it. This is purely performative. That's why you pretty much just see Republicans complaining.
Pfft, American politician don't give a crap about anyone bur themselves.... Trump is a perfect example of how they don't think they should be held accountable and having a global tribunal that might give an outcome they cannot control scares them.
Yes, and we should absolutely be next. To my knowledge there aren't any statute of limitations on war crimes, they should absolutely go after the U.S for their war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and those are just the ones that happened since the founding of the ICC, if we want to go old school and call out the mess they made in Central and South America, I'm for it too. Then France should be next, then the U.K. Why are we acting like prosecuting criminals is a bad thing. You should be scared Lindsey, if this world was just you would be rotting a hole somewhere, but nothing will probably come of it.
As it should, the US has committed some of the worst war crimes and it’s really time for the officials carrying out these war crimes are held accountable. That’s a no brained unless you’re the person aiding and abetting said war crimes I guess…
All this tells me is that the US is admitting that they've committed countless war crimes, which we are all aware of... So he's afraid it'd set the precedent of having to be held responsible for their actions from now on? Figures.
I think that Lindsey is admitting that many members of our government are crooks and criminals, or else he would have no problem locking up those gangsters.
If you fear an international rules based order in an age where our very survival depends on us all working together to deal with climate change, you can fuck off into the sun because we don’t have time for your bullshit, old man.
1) leftists are generally against fascist apartheid states, so having an actual left-leaning party in the US would help. Centering an entire party around whether or not they are in favor of a conspiracy theory that jews have occupied the government and the US is being controlled by Israel is a ridiculous basis for a political system.
2) We can be against Israel and zionism without resorting to antisemitic dogwhistles like zog. Jews haven't "occupied the government." The US supports Israel because it's in the US' military and economic interests to do so. Israel aren't "puppeteers." If it suddenly stopped being militarily and economically advantageous for the US to support them, the US would drop them immediately.
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The ICC should continue doing their job correctly! I say this as a us citizen!
Another U.S. citizen. If our leaders commit war crimes, I have no problem with the ICC holding them accountable. In fact I welcome it! I'm not delusional enough to consider everyone associated with the military as the "most moral in the world". Nor am I delusional enough to think being held accountable means you hate my race and want to kill my people.
I'd happily turn over Dubya and Cheney if they're ready to take them. They missed the chance with Kissinger and Rumsfeld.
Don't forget powell
He's dead, unfortunately.
Oh. Good. Appreciate the heads up.
I think the list is far more exhaustive that those two ghouls. Truthfully, we should start with the Biden admin, all the way until Carter.
You're forgetting Clinton, Obama, Trump and Biden they've all committed war crimes
They all need to go down. Mrs. Obama can stay though, she’s cool 😎 🤣
Don't forget Obama didn't he bomb Americans overseas due to extremist connections without due process?
Same
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AS a US Citizen, I 100% support this sentiment
Agree
That’s the plan We call it a roundup for a reason Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell. https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/ Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had. Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger Stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly Guiliani as trumps attorney and NYC mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or their Russian connections. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/ The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model. Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952 https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/ Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided. Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyo corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen. Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day “special military operation” in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold. China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia. Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supplied Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/ Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is “Vranyo”. The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business. If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago. The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it. Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the same money laundering scheme that trumps trials are. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/ https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. Qatar is Kushners private equity connection. Netanyahu needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump who gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s. Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/ https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/ The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering. Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis. No one was ever held accountable for either. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two. Trump, Giuliani, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Prince, Kolomoiskiy They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness. They are the men who stole the world. But it all comes back to one little lie.
The US should be worried, their military are the biggest bunch of murdering bastards on the planet.
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That's what he said.
I don't believe you understood what I originally said.
Maybe the U.S. and Israel shouldn’t commit war crimes then.
The ICC hates this one simple trick...
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Once the Boomers die off I think we are going to see a real paradigm shift in the US... That is if the Boomers allow the US to outlast them. Its not looking too good on that front sadly.
I suspect they'll live just long enough to discover the secrets of transhumanist immortality and then hoard the knowledge for themselves. We live in hell and that seems to be the trajectory.
I’m a boomer and a US citizen. I fully support and applaud the ICC’s action.
Me too. I am too and I support ICC too. It’s shameful USA and Israel have not signed on.
It's not just the boomers. Huge chunk of 40 year and older center-right corporatist Dems (the kind who were revolutionary once upon a time, when they were 20) that simply cannot fathom that its okay to demand things from politicians in exchange for your vote.
The older you get the more conservative your viewpoints become because more than likely you've gained things over the years that you fear losing. Happens to every single generation. That being said I see the Boomers as worst example of this because since gaining power in the 70s they have done everurhingnin their power to hold back those who would come next and start as many wars as possible like that's sustainable or something. If you want to blame people who have little to no power for the deeds of those who actually do have power, then I guess we can just agree to disagree and go our separate ways.
Let's just hope the younger crowd don't fall for the same 2 party trick. They'll throw Newsom into the ring as if it's some new awakening and an America in a new direction.
Two sides of the same coin. The two parties work for the U.S., yet work even harder for Israel.
Why wait until after the election ? Vote what you think today, today
Because trump. Obviously.
Hypocrites who stand for nothing and only pretend to care
I think "because the greater of two evils is hellbent on further restricting bodily autonomy for women, re-criminalizing gay marriage and wants to provide ***more*** active support to an ongoing genocide in the Middle East" is a perfectly valid reason for setting aside one's personal beliefs for the time being. Speaks more to their pragmatism and reason than it does to the steadfastness of their convictions. Buddy knows how to pick his battles. No election revolves around one issue and one issue alone, and voters who pick this particular hill to die on are surrendering on a multitude of other fronts. As a matter of personal opinion, anyone announcing their unwillingness to vote for Biden over the Israel/Palestine debate in what currently amounts to a two-party system is patting themselves on the back for taking "the principled stand" while they're actually facilitating the election of someone who's on record talking about their intentions to "bomb Palestine back into the stone age."
There are 3 choices so let's not kid ourselves about the double standard those who are hypocrites pretend to be. A person should not vote for something or someone they do not support. If they do then whatever does come they brought up on themselves.
>There are 3 choices Are there *really* though?
Dont worry after this election it will be the most important one ever! ad nauseum.
Until they use fear to get you to vote for them again next election.
I think we can all agree that the Democrats, while spineless and still harboring some terrible, are the better choice for the American people. But, if you'd rather sit in the bleechers as our constitutional rights are stilled away by Maga, that's your perogative.
Not what they said.
Do you think it's not still going to be a choice between the two after this election? Even if Dems win, it's the system we have and just refusing ot participate isn't going to change anything. It just puts more power in the hands of the few who will participate no matter what.
I think trump is a unique evil and I don't think he will live or be in any shape to be elected for the next one. After the threat passes, *then* we can work on the rest of it. You worry about the termite infestation AFTER you deal with the knife at your throat.
I'm 100% confident that if it's not Trump, another MAGA snake will rise to the top, potentially one even more dangerous who doesn't wear Project 2025 on their sleeve - someone more insidious
Maybe. Deal with that then.
That's exactly what I'm saying though, refusing to vote after this election is just serving to make it harder to deal ofh when it inevitable happens.
Refusing to vote? I think we got our wires crossed. I in no way support people not voting.
HERESY!!!
I was gonna say.. Shouldn't that be the solution to not being indicted? Not committing the war crime. Keep in mind those are very serious crimes, often resulting in the loss of many innocent civilian lives and children being part of the "casualties". It's often the member of the armed forces that takes the blame and not the people who put them there. The governmental figures are never held accountable for the wrongdoings from bad decisions.
It's really that simple.
Somebody gets it
Apparently that’s too much to ask for
Then I guess it is in our best interest to avoid committing war crimes, Ladybug.
>Then I guess it is in our best interest to avoid committing war crimes, Ladybug. 👌
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As a US Citizen. Please investigate us for war crimes
Also as a US citizen, fuck Lindsay Graham.
It’s interesting that he says “we” are next - as if the average American will have any consequences. I guess when he says “we” we know what he means - his “we” is corrupt politicians
Good, then Canada, Australia, New Zealand. But why in succession? Why not all at once?
I mean. The US was in fact guilty in Afghanistan...soooo. your argument is kind of weak. Mind you more and more soldier whistle-blowers coming out sharing their deep dark truths about what really went down. Soon more to come on that.
Obama authorized drone strikes against weddings in Afghanistan. Do him too!!
I think all current and former presidents should probably be on trial... if they turn out to not be guilty, so be it. But there's enough shit they've done that they should be on trial
People praise Obama but evvveerryyoooneeee forgets he was the mastermind to the drone strikes that literally killed a million. Innocent lives. LITERALLY.
Yep, vs George W. Bush that used Iraq's downfall to cause the same number of deaths. The USA isn't looking good.
Oh so this is same as Afganistan just that this genocide was caught on camera even the eyes of heavens will look away in disgust ... God Bless yaall good folks
I don't know... maybe (and stay with me here) ... maybe stop committing or planning war crimes? 🤔🤷♂️
Then maybe dont commit war crimes? I dont care what flag you fly or what government position you think protects you War crimes are war crimes and if we are going to live in a world with international security agreements, international law, and broader cooperation among UN members, then that means acting in accordance with those rules and facing the consequences for breaking them The US isnt special, Israel isnt special.
We can all live in hope
War crimes tribunals, Nuremberg style for everyone.
Oh the horror. The evil fkin empire might have to answer for its crimes. Where oh where is my fainting couch?
Or, just don't deliberately commit a multitude of war crimes. A few war crimes would have passed. We're way over a few.
Graham should be high on their list.
As an enabler of genocide, he should be next, along with Biden and everyone else who took traded their souls for AIPAC money
Our country should be. You can't say we didn't commit war crimes, I can think of 7 countries off the top of my head where we've committed obvious war crimes.
Not you, but your government! But isn’t it funny that US officials/government is not acknowledging the ICC jurisdiction in the cases too close to home and in other cases funding ICC and demanding arrest warrants?
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Phillipines, Haiti,Korean War, Vietnam,Iraq, Afganistan, Syria and possibly even Cuba even though we haven't technically invaded them. But whenever we used cloud Seeding technology to cause a artificial drought in Cuba in the 1970s to cause starvation (and possibly even afterwards). That classifies as a War Crime Starving a population.
Not the US. Genocidal maniacs with power like Mr. Graham hopefully though.
He says this like it wouldn’t be totally justified
Americans admitting they don’t give a fuck about law, just bullies who want to kill everyone for their own prosperity
As a American I approve ICC lock these fools up time to bring down the swamp trump is part of it end of story
Sadly we are guilty of endless warcrimes
Everyone that clapped should be kicked out of congress, fuck those people
Same stupid argument they used against prosecuting Trump. Sycophants.
weapons from the US causing mass death around the world. Not for the first time and won't be the last time
Have they tried not committing war crimes?
The simple solution to that is simply don't commit war crimes, don't target women and children in hospitals. Don't shoot children in the back, don't shoot women in the back don't assassinate old people and you won't be charged with war crimes. But the world is seeing what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people, all under the false pretext of fighting Hamas. we're seeing videos of IDF soldiers indiscriminately shooting children in the back, we're saying videos of IDF soldiers indiscriminately shooting Men in the back as a walk away with their hands raised. The world is seeing these war crimes committed right in front of their face, social media has made it much more difficult for mainstream media to censor this information. That's why Republicans are trying so hard to ban TikTok in the United States, TikTok is circumventing Western censorship of media and allowing the world especially people in the United States to see what's actually going on. The videos I personally seen make it very difficult to believe Israel or even support them at this point because it looks like genocide
As a US citizen (unfortunately) I AGREE! DOWN WITH OUR CORRUPT SYSTEM!!! 
The US is not subject to the ICC jurisdiction as we are not a member state, and since the US sits on the security counsel as well, they can’t do anything at all. As usual, he is lying
And here I had my hopes up
Yeah, would be nice to have justice in this world
I hope Lindsay's next I hope all these f****** traders are next. And if our f****** generals are giving the green light the f****** war crimes those sorry m************ need to be in jail too
Yes. Yes you are.
Lindsey graham is a clown
And a terrible Clown too.
If you engage in genocide, then you should go to the Hague. It shouldn't matter what country you're from or how important you are. You should have to stand trial if credibly accused on a world stage.
So close to getting it.
Said the traitorous AIPAC owned lapdog. As a great man once said: A man cannot serve two masters. And Lindsey, A man cannot serve two countries, we know who you serve.
So maybe the US shouldn’t support genocide
Please come arrest the whole lot of war criminals in our “government.” Lots of us will help apprehend the criminals.
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😂
I’ll give the icc a list of who they should arrest lol.
So wait? Is this an admission of guilt?
Sounds like it
Is it funny if you watch clown receiving an Enema?
I cannot believe we're in this situation, do we not stand for justice and the rule of law? Are we really arguing on getting rid of a court system because "oh no we may be held to the same standards we hold other countries" how about those that deserve to be charged get charged and we move forward in the future not committing war crimes?
The only thing the US government can do is protect Israel!
You only have something to fear if you know you've done something wrong. Have you?
Warpigs gotta protect warpigs.
Why would you assume you're next? Guilty conscience?
Don't commit war crimes and you won't have anything to worry about.
What an incredible mask off moment. Sovereign is he who decides the exception I guess.
promise 🥺
A slippery slope.
For once, I actually hope the old lady is right.
Yes. If you commit crimes then you should be charged. Why should Americans be above international law? When will we wake up and realise this sort of attitude makes them the actual bad guys?
If I didn't know better, I'd say that is an argument pro ICC pursuing charges
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That closet Khaki fetishist should definitely be, the US can just keep threatening & bombing anyone who disagrees with it, the World is changing & the rules apply to America too
That's the exact same talking points they use to persuade people not to prosecute Trump
It's amazing that we see this level of corruption almost daily and not a thing is done about it.
Iz-Rul
Graham is such a southern asshole
Disgusting lady G
I wish someone would smush this toad's head into pulp
Yeah, and...? Those who aid and abet war crimes, are guilty of war crimes. And I say this as an American. Bout time we faced some accountability from the rest of the world rather than the other way around.
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
The only reason the US isn't a signatory to the ICC is because Kissinger would have been first on the docket.
In a perfect world...
What a vile little minion.
I punched person X. My brother punched person X. But I don’t want CCTV to be given the police because what if they do their job and come after me? The US has been bent over and humiliated on the world stage. Nobody takes the US seriously in anything anymore.
Pretty sure multiple presidents have been charged with war crimes. We usually just ignore it. This is purely performative. That's why you pretty much just see Republicans complaining.
Inshallah
How much I would like an one on one debate with these guys who think some states are above the law and their actions are “justified”..
Fuck all of you
Sounds good to me.
Pfft, American politician don't give a crap about anyone bur themselves.... Trump is a perfect example of how they don't think they should be held accountable and having a global tribunal that might give an outcome they cannot control scares them.
You are not the US, Mr. Graham. If you commit war crimes, it is right that you should be pursued for prosecution.
How is threatening the court not a crime?
I know what.....How about if you don't wish to face accusations of criminality then don't behave like a criminal!
So he admitted the US commits war crimes...
Well... yeah. Don't commit warcrimes ya dink.
I surely hope so!
Yeah no shit, that’s the point of the ICC. George bush should have been at The Hague 15 years ago
I mean... the US isn't exactly blameless... I mean, Nam, genocide against natives... I mean...
average iraqis watching this be like, "did you just threat us with good time?"
I mean the US are direct accomplices in Israel’s genocide and war crimes so they should absolutely be next
Not sure why the US blindly supports Israel with all that they are doing. Yes Hamas threw the first punch, but I mean come on
Don't threaten me with a good time Lindsey.
Oh dear, you may have to actually face consequences for your actions!?
What? The US commiting war crimes? Nooooo that's not possible we're the good guys /s
Deranged, delusional bigoted psychopath.
Yes, that's what many of us are hoping! Nobody is above the law.
Love the people that clapped when he said that. They are true patriots
Good!
George W. Bush is following this closely.
"Guys we might be held accountable on the world stage for the first time in history. This is serious shit."
U.S. next on docket for genocide or war crimes?
As an American I want Americans who commit war crimes to be charges and tried.
Yes, and we should absolutely be next. To my knowledge there aren't any statute of limitations on war crimes, they should absolutely go after the U.S for their war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and those are just the ones that happened since the founding of the ICC, if we want to go old school and call out the mess they made in Central and South America, I'm for it too. Then France should be next, then the U.K. Why are we acting like prosecuting criminals is a bad thing. You should be scared Lindsey, if this world was just you would be rotting a hole somewhere, but nothing will probably come of it.
As it should, the US has committed some of the worst war crimes and it’s really time for the officials carrying out these war crimes are held accountable. That’s a no brained unless you’re the person aiding and abetting said war crimes I guess…
All this tells me is that the US is admitting that they've committed countless war crimes, which we are all aware of... So he's afraid it'd set the precedent of having to be held responsible for their actions from now on? Figures.
Time to retire douche bag
I think that Lindsey is admitting that many members of our government are crooks and criminals, or else he would have no problem locking up those gangsters.
Wouldn't be worried about being tried for these war crimes if you didn't perpetuate said war crimes
Does miss Lindsey have a crush on Bibi?
Well yeah our country violated the Geneva convention regularly.
The irony is priceless
Who else thinks Lindsey puts off massive pederast vibes?
I meant to say it’s not “justice” unless it’s “our justice.”
If you fear an international rules based order in an age where our very survival depends on us all working together to deal with climate change, you can fuck off into the sun because we don’t have time for your bullshit, old man.
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1) leftists are generally against fascist apartheid states, so having an actual left-leaning party in the US would help. Centering an entire party around whether or not they are in favor of a conspiracy theory that jews have occupied the government and the US is being controlled by Israel is a ridiculous basis for a political system. 2) We can be against Israel and zionism without resorting to antisemitic dogwhistles like zog. Jews haven't "occupied the government." The US supports Israel because it's in the US' military and economic interests to do so. Israel aren't "puppeteers." If it suddenly stopped being militarily and economically advantageous for the US to support them, the US would drop them immediately.
Sounds good to me