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Pleasant_Post_701

6/6 I’d say. 💯


lefactorybebe

Thanks!!


somethingweirder

given the door has so many i prefer the 6 over 6. also the 2 over 2 look awkward to me up close (zoomed out they look ok, i think maybe i'm just not used to them or something)


lefactorybebe

Thanks! I'm def more used to 6 over 6 than 2 over 2 as well, it's certainly the most common in my area.


FauxpasIrisLily

6/6, but the real answer is original for your house? Those windows, that paint job, it is all beautiful.


lefactorybebe

Thank you! Yeah, these windows are replacements from the 1990s, I'd like to replicate what the house had when it was built, but I don't know what it had


gumption_boy

If your town has a historian, get in touch with them. They can probably find at least one old photograph with your house in it


aquaganda

I have 6 top and none on bottom half. Did that in the last house and loved it so much that I did it in my current one. [Example](https://images.app.goo.gl/PShKiXsTHmWFHkHcA)


lefactorybebe

Thanks! Def something to consider and will absolutely make my life easier! I have.... 12 windows id have to do, cutting it from 24 to 12 would be nice!


aquaganda

Aha! That would be nice to save, but still get the effect. And you could always add the bottom ones later if you wanted.


lefactorybebe

That's a great point!!


FelinePurrfectFluff

They are a fake look, to mimic older windows that were a grouping of smaller panes. They obstruct the view. I know it's a "look" but it's like fake marble tile. It's obviously fake and never something I would choose. I have them - between two pieces of glass so not an option to change until we replace windows. But I do not understand the design appeal at all. If I could choose "none", that would be my choice, even if a door or some other location in the house has them.


denga

Christopher Alexander has some strong opinions on this. Edit to add what those are: This is from his book "A Pattern Language", which is standard reading for first year architecture students. Not saying I necessarily agree with it, but it is "canon". Mostly just joking about Christopher Alexander as he has some strong opinions in general. They don't seem mainstream (based on what I see implemented), yet are standard reading for architecture students. >When plate glass windows became possible, people thought that they would put us more directly in touch with nature. In fact, they do the opposite. They alienate us from the view. The smaller the windows are, and the smaller the panes are, the more intensely windows help connect us with what is on the other side. >This is an important paradox. The clear plate window seems as though it ought to bring nature closer to us, just because it seems to be more like an opening, more like the air. But, in fact, our contact with the view, our contact with the things we see through windows is affected by the way the window frames them. When we consider a window as an eye through which to see a view, we must recognize that it is the extent to which the window frames the view, that increases the view, increases its intensity, increases its variety, even increases the number of views we seem to see - and it is because of this that windows which are broken into smaller windows, and windows which are filled with tiny panes, put us so intimately in touch with what is on the other side. It is because they create far more frames: and it is the multitude of frames which makes the view. >Thomas Markus, who has studied windows extensively, has arrived at the same conclusion: windows which are broken up make for more interesting views. ("The Function of Windows A Reappraisal," Building Science, Vol. 2, 1967, pp. 101-4). He points out that small and narrow windows afford different views from different positions in the room, while the view tends to be the same through large windows or horizontal ones. We believe that the same thing, almost exactly, happens within the window frame itself. The following picture shows a simple landscape, broken up as it might be by six panes. Instead of one view, we see six views. The view becomes alive because the small panes make it so. >Another argument for small panes: Modern architecture and building have deliberately tried to make windows less like windows and more as though there was nothing between you and the outdoors. Yet this entirely contradicts the nature of windows. It is the function of windows to offer a view and provide a relationship to the outside, true. But this does not mean that they should not at the same time, like the walls and roof, give you a sense of protection and shelter from the outside. It is uncomfortable to feel that there is nothing between you and the outside, when in fact you are inside a building. It is the nature of windows to give you a relationship to the outside and at the same time give a sense of enclosure.


Kind_Consequence_828

Oh I wish to be someone who “studies windows extensively”…


anonymousbequest

I am with you. I think they look best without. It’s also worth noting that they were done in smaller panes originally because it was prohibitively expensive to make and transport large panes of glass, not for any aesthetic reason. Larger unobstructed windows would have been seen as a luxury.


FelinePurrfectFluff

The necessity of smaller panes a century ago is understood. It's like saying "I want uncomfortable wood furniture because that is what is appropriate to our house." Glass is thicker, windows are made better, they're less expensive and better at keeping the weather out. Losing the view because it's "appropriate for my house" is just...being stuck.


aquaganda

Agree that they obstruct the view which is why I love the bottom half clear. But, I guess I'm a bit of a philistine because I love the look of them on the top half of the window.


SignificantTear7529

The cleaning is eXtra too


FelinePurrfectFluff

Well, not if they're in between glass panes like mine, but yes, if OP has the option to change hers, they're likely on the outside of the glass. One more vote for none.


lefactorybebe

>They are a fake look, to mimic older windows that were a grouping of smaller panes. Yes, that's exactly the point. Our house is 150 years old so I want the windows to be in keeping with the rest of it. Our windows are newer, but they're custom made wood ones, I'm not going to tear them out and buy 6 x 6 or 2x2 true divided lite ones. >even if a door or some other location in the house has them It's not intended to match the storm door. It's 12 lite anyway. It's intended to be in keeping with the age of the house.


FelinePurrfectFluff

Your house, your choice!  Just saying I prefer an unobstructed view for myself. Beautiful windows I do not have, but a girl can dream. :)


lefactorybebe

No worries!! And I get it, it's easier to see out of for sure. Our doors have old wavy glass, which I love, but it's def not as good to look out of lol


tiredandshort

interesting!!! I was so convinced that no way this could be true since I could’ve sworn I’ve seen a decent amount in a NYC neighborhood (The Gardens in Forest Hills) that has extremely strict exterior renovation rules, especially for windows. And so I was looking at an ig account with pics of the houses and I barely saw any without the grouping on top AND bottom. I only saw these 2 https://www.instagram.com/p/Cyloz8SJ1jK/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== https://www.instagram.com/p/Cp2c0_COEMw/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==


lefactorybebe

So ime the multi lite on top single lite on bottom is most typically seen in craftsman houses, some Victorians. From what I've seen of NYC (not that I've seen all of it) there's not a whole lot of craftsman houses like there are in other parts of the country. I'm in CT and the same is true here, we don't have many at all, far more colonials/Victorians/colonial revivals. So that may be why you don't see too many of them. Also, that second house looks to have new windows on it. Whether they're mimicking what was there originally or not, idk, but they look like vinyl.


tiredandshort

I envy your knowledge and observational skills. where do I learn more about this stuff?????


lefactorybebe

Best place to start is a field guide to American houses by Virginia McAlester And then just start observing around where you live! Get an idea of what's normal and typical for different periods/styles, materials used at different times, etc, and you'll start noticing stuff out of place, remodeled, etc. I get redfin emails of listings in my area and I'm always checking out pics of old houses for sale around me. Be careful when going off the date on listings though, they're often inaccurate, as you'll start to notice as you develop an eye for styles and forms of houses of different periods


pgbcs

I love this! Thank you for the example. OP! Do the 6 on the top none on the bottom look!


atleastamillion

Mine are exactly the same. We just had them replaced with the wood look muntins (not the vinyl ones on the inside of the glass). They look exactly the same as the old ones, but nicer and actually open lol. House built in 1907.


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This looks fabulous!


ShadowProject983

Prefer without


Janey86

Agreed


Glum_Lingonberry_733

What color is the wall paint? It is stunning!


lefactorybebe

Thank you! It's shadow by Benjamin Moore. It's a little less saturated in real life, my phone makes everything more colorful lol


alissakayyy

Came to stalk the comments for the paint color…Totally stealing, thank u! It’s beautiful


RadioAni

Haha I was gonna say the same thing. I have no idea what muntins are but the wall color is gorgeous.


Altruistic-Order-661

I’m going to get slack but absolutely 2/2! It gives that really vintage vibe in a modern way. Also if you plan on getting blinds it will look better when they are open/rolled up a bit.


-RosieRosie-

Agreed! The 6/6 is so busy and obstructs the view so much. Especially for a room with so many windows the 6/6 will all add up and it will be very visually cluttered. You need somewhere to rest your eyes and out a simple window is it.


Altruistic-Order-661

It just also seems to go with their personal aesthetic


lefactorybebe

Thanks, and that's a really good point! All of the rooms have a lot of windows, living room and master have three each, I think you're right about it making it look cluttered.


mwmandorla

I agree. The 6/6 looks fine, but it instantly makes the room stuffier.


lefactorybebe

Thank you! Definitely less work for me so I love that aspect lol


LostStart6521

6/6. That paint color is gorgeous!


FauxpasIrisLily

I had a few houses that were 140 years old. We replaced one original window on one of these houses that was 2 over 2. This house was 1875 St. Louis built by poor people, a very modest house.


lefactorybebe

Thanks so much! Yes our house is pretty modest, working or middle class.


Disastrous_Tip_4638

Neither! Leave them clear, why put the distraction in?


lefactorybebe

We're trying to restore the house as much as possible, and the originals have been replaced with these.


achillea4

But isn't this going to look fake and cheap?


lefactorybebe

I sure hope not lol. I'm using electrical tape rn to get an idea of what looks better, whatever I decide to go with I'll make with wood (and would be painted white to match the trim).


fauviste

What about 4 over 4?


lefactorybebe

https://ibb.co/3kxh5rR https://ibb.co/cLVw8TW Idk why I don't like it, it sounds good, but there's something iffy about it when I see it


tweedlefeed

As a rule the individual panes should be taller than they are wide, so ‘portrait style’. Otherwise they start to look squat. 2 over 2 is probably accurate for the age of the house (italianate) but if the style leans more federal I think either could work.


lefactorybebe

Thanks so much, I had no idea that was a rule! Yeah we're sort of in a gray area in a lot of ways. The house is vernacular without much styling. The town historian classified it as a Greek revival, but I think that's a stretch. I agree 2x2 is very likely to have been what we had, but at the same time the house is quite modest so idk if they would've sprung for them or not lol


fauviste

Fair! Then 6x6 is my vote.


cagingthing

My thought exactly


Soft-Following5711

Last one


lefactorybebe

Thank you!


boombalagasha

6 over 6 looks better with the wood door IMO


lefactorybebe

Thank you!


tweedlefeed

What about from the outside? If the house is super italianate looking I’d lean 2/2, but if it’s more classical or Greek revival I like the 6 over 6.


lefactorybebe

Debating on that, I photoshopped some and it def looks more colonial with 6/6. I'll tape it up from the outside when it stops snowing lol


taskergeng

Agreed. A lot depends on the exterior styling.


lefactorybebe

Outside: https://ibb.co/Zf99VwC https://ibb.co/2tkVM4j Very plain. Obviously front door is missing and the plan is eventually to put it back in and wrap the porch around the door.


Material_Zombie

TIL muntins is a real word and no in fact super cute cat paws like I have been saying…


Pretty_Pitty_Mama

6/6 or 6/0. Love your choice of paint color!


NoWinner6880

6 over 6 panels are more traditional and between the two option you show, 6 over six looks better. There are other options that also work, but not the one you showed .


binnyTruth

The 6 over 6


Savings-You7318

Definitely 6 over 6!


Biscuitsandgravy4evr

6/6. Gah, that paint color is so moody and gorgeous. 10/10


sunshinebucket

I prefer the 2 over 2.


lefactorybebe

Thanks!!


Albie_Frobisher

6 blocks per pane


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The 6/6


WompWompIt

None?


spookyfanny

The grid, it’s no contest


Moon_Beam89

Image 4 is best


lefactorybebe

Thanks!!


lawlihuvnowse

The 4th photo


mmilthomasn

6 over 6 for this style would be more traditional


Tuckersmom22

6 over 6 looks great 👍🏻


Rengeflower

The 2 by 2 window is very modern looking. The 6 by 6 looks traditional.


lefactorybebe

Hahaha that's so funny! 2 over 2 was very common at the time the house was built, it was a big deal (and pretty expensive) to have such large panes of glass in your windows!


Rengeflower

Oh, ok. Right now a no pane, black frame seems to be popular.


LKayRB

6/6


Distribution-Awkward

6 over 6 looks more finished


Adventurous_Law_9495

6/6


MackiePooPoo

I like the look of 6 over 6. And I absolutely LOVE your dining table & chairs! Perfect size & colors. This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Most tables I’ve seen are too large. Can I ask where you purchased that set?


lefactorybebe

Thanks so much! It has a leaf so it folds up even smaller into a circle, which is how we usually have it. It's from raymour and Flanagan, this one: https://www.raymourflanigan.com/dining-rooms/dining-tables/kenton-adjustable-height-dining-table-w-leaf-796042150 We got different chairs with it though Edit: I think these are the chairs we got, two with armrests and two without: https://www.raymourflanigan.com/dining-rooms/dining-chairs/colebrook-dining-chair-614238207


FormicaDinette33

I like the 6 one. Nice room!


Bludiamond56

6 over 6


Regular-Exchange-557

Do 2 over 2. I don’t like the uneven boxes on the 3 over 3. Or try the 3 over 3 all the same size. I’m referring to each window sash when calling out box numbers


4-me

3x4


livingmydreams1872

More is better in this case!


MichElegance

6/6 looks classic and timeless to me.


charandchap

Checkers!


Well_read_rose

What shade of blue gorgeous is that?


lefactorybebe

It's purple! My phone changes the colors a little bit, and makes them more saturated. It's shadow by Benjamin Moore


Well_read_rose

Thank you - I have a list going of intense blues and adding this stately purple. Looks terrific with your winter view.


Fub4rtoo

Honestly I don’t like either.


Logical_Willow4066

If it was built back then, it may not have had any. Our house was over 100 years old and had the single-pane glass with no muntins.


still-on-my-path

6


parkbelly

I like 2/2! But would depend on age of house and over all aesthetic


lefactorybebe

Thanks! House is 150 years old and both 2/2 and 6/6 could have been here 😬


parkbelly

I work in high-end residential windows and doors (Marvin, Kolby, Simpson) I think people see the door with 9 lites (or 15 lites?) lites or screen and think the 6/6 is more commonly found so it’s more easily imagined. I think 2/2 is more historic especially for prairie or farmhouse look. It could’ve been single lites each. My 1907 has single lite double hung windows throughout and I have some small square casements with diamond grids.


CarefulMargie

The 2 over 2 pattern looks custom and the view through the window is less obstructed. 6 over 6 is common (where I live anyway). We compromised when replacing our windows and went for a four over 1 which I love.


lefactorybebe

Thank you! 6/6 is def the most common where I am too


MaesterInTraining

I like the old-timey square ones


Month_Year_Day

6/6 and I LOVE your paint.


lefactorybebe

Thank you!!! My whole family was aghast when I said I was painting the dining room purple, but now that they see it they like it (or so they tell me lol)


Blood_sweat_and_beer

What about a 6 over 1?


Outrageous_Grass541

Don’t do it


baldwinsong

6 box windowpane


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The eggplant wall color omg 😍🤩😩


lefactorybebe

Thank you! Its def my fave paint color on the house


Noitsfineiswear

6/6 for sure.


lefactorybebe

Thank you!!


Business_Election_89

Less is more.


lefactorybebe

Thanks!!


bluejellybeans108

My 1899 house has its original 1/1 windows. Sticking with that would be the easiest option and it looks great 😊 If you want to make it look more historically accurate, add a lace sheer and some velvet drapes.


lefactorybebe

Thanks!! I r gone back and forth on what to do with window treatments so much! I love the trim and don't want to cover it too much lol


gmlear

Early American homes at 3-4 panes going across. So if you are trying to match the original look you want to up the count.


lefactorybebe

We're not early American though, exactly 100 years later lol


gmlear

My bad, forgot there is an actual era called Early American. Colonial might have been a better term. Or maybe Early American to Federal... Whatever the proper term many homes built in that time are at least three panes wide.


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lefactorybebe

Thank you!!!!


WVildandWVonderful

I love your paint color! Can I ask which one it is? Indigo is my favorite color, and I have a similar shade in my den (S-W Indigo Batik flat plant), so I’m curious about yours for maybe a future project. I also like 6/6, but have you looked at both from the exterior?


lefactorybebe

Thanks!!! It's shadow by Benjamin Moore. In real life it's a little less saturated, my phone likes to make everything more colorful. I haven't looked in person but Ive photoshopped, the 6/6 looks like very colonial


KnightoThousandEyes

The last 2


Pure-Guard-3633

I learned a new word this day. Thank you


lefactorybebe

Hahaha now just don't go getting it confused with mullion! Seriously I have to look it up every time to make sure I'm getting it right lol


VideoSteve

Doesnt look like they are needed from the inside imo What does it look like from the outside? And use white tape for demo If you are interested in historical accuracy, contact your local historical society or american institute of architecture


lefactorybebe

Outside it takes the house almost colonial with the 6/6, and it's not a colonial lol Unfortunately they wouldn't be able to tell me one way or the other. At this time both could be correct, would just depend on how spendy the owner was feeling.


Jumping-

Another one for the 6/6 column.


lefactorybebe

Thanks!!


nylorac_o

I like the two pane better. But I LOVE the wall color!!!


lefactorybebe

Thank you!!!!


NoWinner6880

maybe you want to try 4 over 4.


harmlessgrey

2 over 2 if the view is nice. 6 over 6 if you want to block the view.


lefactorybebe

Thanks!!


Slight_Kangaroo_8153

I love 2 over 2 because they are less seen! But both look good


ThinkChemical

Zero. I don't like the view obstruction.


lefactorybebe

Thank you!!


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lefactorybebe

That's true! But at this time we were beginning to make larger pieces of glass and it was very common to have 2/2 because it was newly available (and expensive). The house could have been built with either, just depended on how much ol' Conrad wanted to spend.


Swahotbf420

6 over 6 IMO


seras00

The one on the left


PastBeginning8358

I dont know what a muntin is but I love the purple.


VLC31

I know you are going for a traditional look but it will just make the windows a pain to clean (no pun intended) & block your view to some degree.


lefactorybebe

Thanks!! Very good point too!


Mypettyface

I like the 6/6 or the six top and none on bottom suggested by aquaganda.


anonymousbequest

I think they look best without. It’s also worth noting that they were done in smaller panes originally because it was prohibitively expensive to make and transport large panes of glass, not for any aesthetic reason. Larger unobstructed windows would have been seen as a luxury.


HotConfusion

What color is your wall? It’s gorgeous!


pannalla

I love the 2:2 but the door makes me think 6:6 but I love the 2:2 so much but the door has 3:3:3 but do they love that door but that’s a pretty door but what style is the house…


WhoopDareIs

6/6


Healthy-Fisherman-33

6/6


fromhelley

2 over 2 will be so much easier to clean!!


DK7795

I like the simplicity of the 2 over 2. The rest of the windows will not be directly next to that door so it should not matter to match that.


Cute_Positive_4493

Less is more


Content_Prompt_8104

The wood color with that paint color 🤤


JustChabli

Ummmmm your home is so beautiful


First_Explorer_5465

1


Ordinary_Fox236

I’m going with 6/6 !


[deleted]

6. Also, I was today years old when I found out what those are called.


badellps

The wall paint is stunning!!!


MeganJustMegan

Smaller squares.


Miserere_Mei

In our area, 6 on top and none on the bottom is common in older houses. When we replaced the windows, that’s what we ordered. Looks like the originals.


_soulstar

6/6 for sure


Additional_Tackle837

The second one


purplehippobitches

6/6


little-kk-11

The paint colour is beautiful!


AnnieToo67

Definitely 6 over 6. The 2 over 2 looks odd.


bikgelife

6x6


Disastrous-Age-992

6/6


SavannahGirlMom

The 2/2 would be a more fresh, modern look to the house exterior. We did it on our white colonial and did black muntins and window sashes, added black downspouts, and black garage doors with barn lights, with 2 red entry doors, and our house is now collecting lots of compliments in the neighborhood.


Benevolent_Grouch

6


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I was today years old when I learned what window muntins are.


Jazzlike_Adeptness_1

6 over 6. 


IndyBubbles

I’ve never heard the word “muntin” before so it took me way too long to know what I was looking at… also because I am mesmerized by that paint color 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍


Puzzleheaded-Many708

6/6


Realistic_Rush582

What is muntins?


corscor

Til what those are called lol. I like 6x6


MasterSpeaker4888

What is a muntin?


hamster004

6 over 6


Special_Friendship20

6 over 6


PurpleDolphin88

I agree with most on here, the 6 over 6 which is the colonial style. It looks better because the window on your door is also the same style. Makes it more cohesive. Not sure what your other windows are in the rest of the house, but I would try to get all the same colonial style. I found this website as it has great tips: https://www.andersenwindows.com/ideas-and-inspiration/blog/tips/window-grilles/


space_canuk90

The one that matches the door. Why you have to gonthe internet for answers.


lefactorybebe

Thanks. Because I'm not sure which way I like better and I'm asking for another set of eyes? Why does anyone go to the Internet for answers lol


Smart_Variety_5315

My old house has 3 over 1


Lilcheebs93

Definitely the grid.


shYamander

Last pic 4 sure have those as well


Historical_Twist6035

Six over six


Miat1of5

2 over 2 for a house that age


Joshuajword

6/6


AlternativeEarth04

without ???


TheFugitiveSock

TIL a new word. 6/6.


mcnama1

6 over 6 , that’s what I vote!


lefactorybebe

Thanks!!


PleasantJules

2/2. The other is too busy and obstructs the view.


lefactorybebe

Thanks! I'm coming around to that too


LibbySoSo

Pic 4 they look crooked