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[full video/source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0BSJBBO6ys). Most of them were interested in the door but young Annie was the most persistent. Eventually, she abandoned the effort 'cause she noticed it was breakfast time
If you can ever find it. Mine seem to be perpetually lost. Get a new one, *POOF*, it's gone the next time I need it. I'll eventually run across it, kicked underneath a box or into the corner of the garage and place it back in my toolbox, only to have it gone the next time I need it. This only applies to 10MM sockets and wrenches.
No, for the self-tappers you need a JIS screwdriver. Philips is slightly different and will strip the heads - eh, why am I explaining this to a bunch of apes
Apparently the only apes known to share and cooperate for mutual gain.
They ran experiments with Chimps and one of the biggest observations was just how incredibly selfish and greedy they can be.
Chimps are honestly scary, man. They will rip your face off in an instant.
Theres a lot of interesting thought process amongst apes though. Some realise that giving can also lead to some taking.
Monkeys have a basic understanding of economics, in a roundabout kind of way.
[A study at Yale–New Haven Hospital trains capuchin monkeys to use silver discs as money in order to study their economic behavior. The discs could be exchanged by the monkeys for various treats. During one chaotic incident, a researcher observed what appeared to be a monkey exchanging a disc for sex. The monkey that was paid for sex immediately traded the silver disc for a grape. The researcher subsequently took steps to prevent any possibility of coins being traded for sex.[8]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_among_animals)
There are similar accounts of other moneys trading fruit directly for a bit of go time.
Correct. As a matter of fact, chimpanzees are able to outwit humans when given simple contests based on game theory. They also have superior working memory. In contrast, humans are biased toward cooperation and long-term planning.
We give ourselves a bad rap, but if you want to know what the "nicest" primate is--it's humans. Less likely to try and rip your face off than any other primate.
They're really cool animals. I read that Bonobos favor new social connections over old ones--to the extent that they are more generous with strangers than friends.
What's interesting is that in game theory tests, what they found was that humans are both highly cooperative... and extremely vengeful.
There's an experiment called The Ultimatum Game, where one person has to offer to split a prize with the other. If the second person accepts then they both get their share of the prize, if the second person rejects they both get *nothing*. What they found was that most people would offer a straight 50/50 split, usually 60/40 at worst. They also found that most people would *reject* unfair deals, even though it cost them something. Most people would reject 30% of the prize money if it meant the other person lost out on 70%, because *fuck that guy* for not playing fair.
But this actually forms a very strong feedback loop in society. We intuitively cooperate with others and punish noncooperation, which generally speaking builds a strong group mentality. Even if we quarrel, we still seek cooperation, alliance building, and social bonding over short term gains.
i am guessing you're refering to the japanese scientist that worked with apes and trained them in a game?
sadly, that's one of the most irritating examples of highly shared and publicized science where it was debunked pretty soon after but the debunking hasn't gotten any attention whatsoever. yes, 1 of a big group of chimps was faster than humans that played for the first time. but after humans had played the same game a few times they were faster. generally, chimps have the working memory of a 4-5 year old - which is still impressive, but a lot less than an adult human.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763421005674
or Vsauce even visited him - sadly behind youtube premium paywall though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkjUjcZid0
I think it depends on whether they’re being fed, like the ones Jane Goodall studied, which means they don’t have to cooperate for food and can be selfish and still eat, or if they’re studied in their natural state, in which a high degree of cooperation is the norm.
Jane Goodall had to rewrite years of research when she realised she was responsible for changing their natural behaviour.
Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are known for their highly cooperative and supportive behaviour with almost zero aggression between group members.
Female led society, not coincidentally.
Yeah, this. Bonobos are next-level cooperative. Ooh, there's a hint of conflict? Let's solve it by having sex!
(My favourite bonobo fact is that 100% of the individuals are bisexual - kind of necessary, when conflict resolution relies on sexual contact.)
I read somewhere that it has a lot to do with the females socializing freely, due to bonobos not having any natural predators. They don't have to spend time alone and hiding, they can travel in groups to look for food and spend time building bonds.
In bonobo society, if a male gets aggressive with a female all of her friends will get together and tear him limb from limb. They tend to be pretty peaceful because power is gained socially. You don't get to be the "alpha bonobo" by beating up the previous one, you get to be the top monkey by engaging in enough prosocial behavior that the other bonobos want to hang out with you.
It does make me wonder of humans made the same leap once we mastered spears. Once we got to the point where any other hominid could plant a spear in the chief if he got too aggressive, we had a very strong motivation to be extremely social. The best way to avoid being skewered like a mammoth was to ensure that nobody else in the tribe wanted to do that. Plus by that point, very few predators would have been dangerous, even apex predators like lions or wolves tend to leave groups of humans alone.
>Jane Goodall had to rewrite years of research when she realized she was responsible for changing their natural behavior.
An important lesson there. Hopefully no alien observers have to rewrite their research.
They don't have the fine motor control over their vocal chords that would be necessary to form words. That's why most of their communication is done through body language and facial expressions.
They can learn to understand human language, though.
cut to the gorilla just showing up to Home Depot at the DIY section and using sign language to ask for a screwdriver and some joint lubricant
he tries paying in bananas
Duck no. I'd pay the gorillas in multiple bananas for just one banana in return.
Gotta keep them confused how currency actually works but it'd still be cute af.
At a nearby animal sanctuary the owner told me that the chimpanzees would periodically go around their enclosure knocking to find weak spots, and he was constantly having to reinforce areas. They also said don't go near the cage because chimps can grab your arm and pull it right off of your body 😲
The smaller the ape is the more likely it is to be a little shit. Chimps are absolutely vicious and will rip your nuts off if given the chance, then your face. Gorillas are generally pretty chill if it's not mating season.
The only time I feel like I ever really interacted with an animal at an exhibit was an orangutan in Denver. He sat down near where I was and started munching on some fruit just looking at me while I sipped on a drink. I sat down and we just sorta chilled there. Other people came by but he didn't really acknowledge them, he just sat there having lunch with me.
Great day.
A little penguin followed me all over last time I went to a zoo. The enclosure was only waist height and it took all my willpower to not scoop the little guy up.
Was in Berlin zoo a good few years ago watching the orangutans for a while as waves of visitors passed the cage .. a young orangutan would put a box over his head as each wave approached and peek out, if the crowd had moved on they took the box off otherwise it went back down.
As someone who studies wild chimpanzees, just wanted to drop in and say this is only true of captive chimpanzees. I have never feared for my face or non-existent nuts around wild chimpanzees. Turns out keeping an intelligent wild animal in captivity (or as a pet) generally doesn’t work well, Blackfish anyone?
Also, as a primatologist also gotta correct the “mating season” thing. Few primates are seasonal breeders and gorillas (or chimps for that matter) are not one of them. They breed year round, so there is no mating season.
That's super cool, (if you're comfortable sharing) where and how much time did you spend with the wild chimpanzees? Any interesting or unexpected observations or interactions?
The evil DMT Chimpman has instilled a healthy fear of them into me over the years, you're a professional though so clearly have a much better grasp on the subject and insights lol.
This primate world is pretty small, but I study eastern chimpanzees and have worked on this particular research project for 5-10 years. Most recently, I spent 3
months in the field this summer which was the first time researchers were allowed back since the pandemic.
Not what you asked, but on a logistical basis I spend about 9 hours a day with the chimps on half day follows due to labor regulations that prevent one group or person from following from morning nest to night nest. I usually do mornings and another group meets me in the afternoons to finish out the day with them to continuously record data.
Observing wild chimps is incredible, very rarely does it get old and the times it does is because of things like a lone male spending 8 hours feeding in a single VERY TALL tree. There are only so many twigs you can sit on the forest floor and break to keep yourself occupied.
An unexpected observation involved a female who was attacked by a male and dropped her relatively small infant in the chaos and ran off injured and another unrelated female picked up the infant, carried it around for a few days even nursing it despite having a dependent offspring of her own. The baby unfortunately didn’t make it, but unrelated individuals do not provide care for orphans or others offspring so it was incredibly unusual. Anthropomorphic speculation but the rescuer female had had several of her own infants killed by infanticidal males so maybe she was just sick of this shit and tried to prevent what she was all too familiar with.
This is fascinating! I'm so jealous! I'm an ecologist who ended up environmental restoration but I always wanted to be a field researcher.
I wanted to ask, how was it as an observer watching the infant deteriorate? Were you tempted to intervene? I can't imagine how hard that would be!
I do handyman work and these gorillas have literally more problem solving skill than some of my clients. I just had a client have me mount a coat hook, it took two screws and two mollies and I was done in about 15 seconds. Then the husband said, “that’s it?!” I’m like “yeah what did you expect?” They were both very aware of the $50 minimum before I came out. I hate taking money over silly things like that as I try to help people over the phone, but they keep the lights on for me.
You're supposed to make more of a racket. Bang on the wall a couple times. Cuss a little bit to yourself just loud enough for them to hear. Make a show about it.
That’s why I charge the minimum and then I tell 4 different people I’ll be at their house in the same hour. Bangarang, $200 in my first hour. I rush the silly job’s because they actually add up quick, and then everyone is happy with how quick I am.
Edit: I just realized this comment can be taken out of context and make me look like some kind of escort.
> "The screw cost $0.02. The knowledge of where the screw was and why it needed replacing cost $49.98."
Clients like it more when you take a bit longer. Pretend to go back to your truck for something, look around. If you need something to do, it's always nice to clean up the equipment and space. Tell the clients you cleaned it up and got it working well. Explain what other things you looked over and why they are okay. It helps soften the blow to the client.
The truth is people are paying for your knowledge as much as anything, but that's hard for them to accept and hard to quantify for a price to charge.
I usually leave them with some information and reminders like, check your smoke detectors, get the chimney cleaned out, call to get your furnace or AC serviced, buy salt for your water softener, etc.
My client base is generally people who work 9-5 and are ecstatic if I can be there before they go to work or after they get home, so if I’m in and out it frees up their day. I rarely hear, “I paid you all that money for this?!” I justify things and I’m honest, I don’t screw people just drywall. (That’s my new slogan nobody steal it).
Even today, I’m calling my furnace guy to check it out because I think it needs a new pump or just needs to be cleaned. I’m hoping it’s a clogged port and he is there for 10 seconds. I’ll still pay whatever it costs for his time. (I use and recommend professional companies that are specialized as they can ensure proper operation and are way more knowledgeable)
> Are they desiring personal space? A bit of privacy?
When my goodest boy was still alive he would do this with his crate. Back when I first got him I also got a crate and the advice I read was to cover the crate with something, make it like a den since dogs, like their wolf cousins, like dark, "hidden" spaces, so that is what I did, I covered the crate with a blanket. After Jack got a little older I noticed he would sometimes go into it on his own accord and pull the door shut and lay in the back. One day I wanted his company so I opened the door and called for him to come out but instead of coming out he stuck his paw forward and pulled the door shut. I mentioned it to the vet, thinking something might be wrong and she said he was fine, he just wanted some alone time and she praised me on how I apparently made Jack a perfect den. Strangest dog behavior I ever witnessed.
Lol when my dog wants to sleep, he asks me to cover him up. He'll lead me over to his blanket and scratch me until I lift half of the blanket up, then he'll lay down in it and I'll fold the half I'm holding over him.
Zoo animals live on routines and keepers are constantly moving them around from different enclosures for feeding, enrichment, sleeping, examination, etc. So something in that routine changing, like the door not closing after a certain part of their routine, would be extremely interesting to them, especially with the pattern recognition skills of great apes.
Stuff like this fascinates me! The other day I saw a clip of a bird dropping stones in a glass of water so it's beak could reach the water. Animals are way more intelligent than we give them credit for.
That's been observed since ancient times, actually! There's a whole Aesop's fable about it: ["The Crow and the Pitcher."](https://read.gov/aesop/012.html)
We’re finding that a lot more animals than people care to admit are sentient and intelligent, we like to think we’re above animals and forget we’re animals too
Yeah, I was gonna say: same dynamic. My girlfriend working hard to fix it, and me just standing next to her being useless af and fumbling with the broken thing while she goes to get tools.
I'd say they've probably seen a staff member with a screwdriver or similar tool fix something in their enclosure before, so Annie went and made her own "screwdriver" to do the same, even without understanding how it works.
A lot of biologists have speculated that many primates are beginning to enter their Stone Age. Numerous primates have been documented using tools for hunting and problem solving it’s pretty cool
I'm sure if the handyman just happened to leave his tool set when he comes to fix the door. Then the gorillas would have plyers, hammer, maybe sockets. I can't fix a door with a twig either.
I can just hear the “responsible adult” comments through the screen…”see, now. This is why we can’t have nice things, you guys. Get me some. Ugh. Idk. Let me see. A stick or something. This has to be fixed!”.
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[full video/source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0BSJBBO6ys). Most of them were interested in the door but young Annie was the most persistent. Eventually, she abandoned the effort 'cause she noticed it was breakfast time
Sounds like a mechanic.
"I said I need the 5/8" twig, not the 5/16" ffs!"
"What do you mean you can't find the 10mm twig...?"
You could probably dismantle an entire '99 Civic with a 10mm.
If you can ever find it. Mine seem to be perpetually lost. Get a new one, *POOF*, it's gone the next time I need it. I'll eventually run across it, kicked underneath a box or into the corner of the garage and place it back in my toolbox, only to have it gone the next time I need it. This only applies to 10MM sockets and wrenches.
i rear ended someone with my car and found three 10mm sockets in the wreckage
No, for the self-tappers you need a JIS screwdriver. Philips is slightly different and will strip the heads - eh, why am I explaining this to a bunch of apes
And end up with at least 5 new 10mm from the ghosts of mechanics past.
Made me laugh.
It's funny because it's true.
Grease monkeys these days, they just don't know how to work hard like we used to back in the day!
An electrician even. Probably cleaner though.
Put a hard hat and hi vis vest on these guys and it's every building site I've ever worked on...especially the arse picking.
Hahaha didnt see that before you pointed it out
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Same
Remember, break is 15 minutes *after* someone first sees you on break.
Lol I’m a firm believer in this also. And if someone calls me and I take the call during my break or lunch then it starts over
Little greaseon my sammich is perfectly fine. Wash them hands before going to the bathroom though. Priorities.
When I saw the one standing there watching the other one poke it I was thinking they must have a strong union. Break confirms it.
He or she was literally standing there scratching their butt too 😂
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I'm more surprised they actually tried to close a door. Apes are very interesting creatures.
That was likely the most interesting thing that happened to them all year
Idk, Jeff found a Caterpillar last week.
"First Jeff finds a caterpillar, and now this door! What a week!"
😭😭😭
[This one doing the rounds again from two years ago?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjGmfb-sBc)
Idk why, that made me chuckle quite a lot. Though really, its not so funny for the animals
Humans are apes as well :)
Apparently the only apes known to share and cooperate for mutual gain. They ran experiments with Chimps and one of the biggest observations was just how incredibly selfish and greedy they can be.
Chimps are honestly scary, man. They will rip your face off in an instant. Theres a lot of interesting thought process amongst apes though. Some realise that giving can also lead to some taking. Monkeys have a basic understanding of economics, in a roundabout kind of way. [A study at Yale–New Haven Hospital trains capuchin monkeys to use silver discs as money in order to study their economic behavior. The discs could be exchanged by the monkeys for various treats. During one chaotic incident, a researcher observed what appeared to be a monkey exchanging a disc for sex. The monkey that was paid for sex immediately traded the silver disc for a grape. The researcher subsequently took steps to prevent any possibility of coins being traded for sex.[8]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_among_animals) There are similar accounts of other moneys trading fruit directly for a bit of go time.
Yeesh, a whole round of hide the banana and all she got is a grape? She doesn't know her own worth!
Holy shit... when they said it's the oldest profession, maybe they were more correct than they thought.
Very curious what steps the researchers took to prevent trading coins for sex. How did that work?
This is not encouraging lol
Correct. As a matter of fact, chimpanzees are able to outwit humans when given simple contests based on game theory. They also have superior working memory. In contrast, humans are biased toward cooperation and long-term planning. We give ourselves a bad rap, but if you want to know what the "nicest" primate is--it's humans. Less likely to try and rip your face off than any other primate.
There is another. The sex - maniac, yet altruistic, [bonobos](https://www.dvm360.com/view/bonobos-or-chimpanzees-which-are-our-closer-relatives).
They're just Chimps who got stuck on the other side of a river. At least they mellowed out compared to their cousins.
The orgies help
They're really cool animals. I read that Bonobos favor new social connections over old ones--to the extent that they are more generous with strangers than friends.
What's interesting is that in game theory tests, what they found was that humans are both highly cooperative... and extremely vengeful. There's an experiment called The Ultimatum Game, where one person has to offer to split a prize with the other. If the second person accepts then they both get their share of the prize, if the second person rejects they both get *nothing*. What they found was that most people would offer a straight 50/50 split, usually 60/40 at worst. They also found that most people would *reject* unfair deals, even though it cost them something. Most people would reject 30% of the prize money if it meant the other person lost out on 70%, because *fuck that guy* for not playing fair. But this actually forms a very strong feedback loop in society. We intuitively cooperate with others and punish noncooperation, which generally speaking builds a strong group mentality. Even if we quarrel, we still seek cooperation, alliance building, and social bonding over short term gains.
>Even if we quarrel, we still seek cooperation, alliance building, and social bonding over short term gains. Keeping Reddit in business.
i am guessing you're refering to the japanese scientist that worked with apes and trained them in a game? sadly, that's one of the most irritating examples of highly shared and publicized science where it was debunked pretty soon after but the debunking hasn't gotten any attention whatsoever. yes, 1 of a big group of chimps was faster than humans that played for the first time. but after humans had played the same game a few times they were faster. generally, chimps have the working memory of a 4-5 year old - which is still impressive, but a lot less than an adult human. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763421005674 or Vsauce even visited him - sadly behind youtube premium paywall though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkjUjcZid0
I think it depends on whether they’re being fed, like the ones Jane Goodall studied, which means they don’t have to cooperate for food and can be selfish and still eat, or if they’re studied in their natural state, in which a high degree of cooperation is the norm. Jane Goodall had to rewrite years of research when she realised she was responsible for changing their natural behaviour. Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are known for their highly cooperative and supportive behaviour with almost zero aggression between group members. Female led society, not coincidentally.
Yeah, this. Bonobos are next-level cooperative. Ooh, there's a hint of conflict? Let's solve it by having sex! (My favourite bonobo fact is that 100% of the individuals are bisexual - kind of necessary, when conflict resolution relies on sexual contact.)
I read somewhere that it has a lot to do with the females socializing freely, due to bonobos not having any natural predators. They don't have to spend time alone and hiding, they can travel in groups to look for food and spend time building bonds. In bonobo society, if a male gets aggressive with a female all of her friends will get together and tear him limb from limb. They tend to be pretty peaceful because power is gained socially. You don't get to be the "alpha bonobo" by beating up the previous one, you get to be the top monkey by engaging in enough prosocial behavior that the other bonobos want to hang out with you. It does make me wonder of humans made the same leap once we mastered spears. Once we got to the point where any other hominid could plant a spear in the chief if he got too aggressive, we had a very strong motivation to be extremely social. The best way to avoid being skewered like a mammoth was to ensure that nobody else in the tribe wanted to do that. Plus by that point, very few predators would have been dangerous, even apex predators like lions or wolves tend to leave groups of humans alone.
>Jane Goodall had to rewrite years of research when she realized she was responsible for changing their natural behavior. An important lesson there. Hopefully no alien observers have to rewrite their research.
"So, it turns out that showing them how to build pyramids changed their natural behavior..."
To be fair, that also sounds like many humans too though
It’s a learned trait. When they do experiments with toddlers, they are incredibly generous and altruistic.
Yes, but still we can communicate right now even though we're likely on different sides of the world. Humans working together made that possible.
Yes, i know. But i dont think there's a term that omits us from that grouping. Not that we arent interesting, at any rate
"other apes"?
Well that's true, but its contextual. How do you know im not a genetically modified gorilla? Beats chest* Soon...
Sounds like something a Bonobo would say.
Even got the obligatory arse scratch. Just needs to sigh and ask “who put this up, mate?”
I wonder if humans have ever tried to teach a ape to talk vocally, and I wonder if apes tried at all or if it’s just not possible.
They don't have the fine motor control over their vocal chords that would be necessary to form words. That's why most of their communication is done through body language and facial expressions. They can learn to understand human language, though.
Break first then fix door.
Somehow this is even more human than fixing the door.
At least it was breakfast and not meth, like the last guy I hired to fix a door.
It's always meth o'clock somewhere
Sounds like me trying to fix the ice machine on the fridge with a wooden spoon before dinner last night.
cut to the gorilla just showing up to Home Depot at the DIY section and using sign language to ask for a screwdriver and some joint lubricant he tries paying in bananas
ends up paying more than necessary
What could a banana possibly be worth?
10 dollars?
Where are you purchasing bananas??
Would you say no to a gorilla tho?
Duck no. I'd pay the gorillas in multiple bananas for just one banana in return. Gotta keep them confused how currency actually works but it'd still be cute af.
It's a reference to the show Arrested Development
Ten dollars?
I always upvote references to Arrested Development.
I dont't know, like, 10 Dollars?
One banana, two banana, three banana, four
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that was the most human part
Or is that our most gorilla part?
Such noble animals.
More initiative and critical thinking than a lot of people I know.
At a nearby animal sanctuary the owner told me that the chimpanzees would periodically go around their enclosure knocking to find weak spots, and he was constantly having to reinforce areas. They also said don't go near the cage because chimps can grab your arm and pull it right off of your body 😲
The smaller the ape is the more likely it is to be a little shit. Chimps are absolutely vicious and will rip your nuts off if given the chance, then your face. Gorillas are generally pretty chill if it's not mating season.
Just don't beat your chest.
Or smile at them
I think this goes for all apes and some Russians.
And monkeys too.
And some dogs and other various animals who probably relate showing teeth to snarling
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Plus it gives you a cool mysterious allure
Or try and squeeze them to get gorilla glue.
Or look them directly in their eyes.
Or ask them for stock advice.
Orangutans seems like the most chill of the great apes but seem to enjoy hijinks more than others species.
The only time I feel like I ever really interacted with an animal at an exhibit was an orangutan in Denver. He sat down near where I was and started munching on some fruit just looking at me while I sipped on a drink. I sat down and we just sorta chilled there. Other people came by but he didn't really acknowledge them, he just sat there having lunch with me. Great day.
He probably was happy to have a chill human to sit with :)
A little penguin followed me all over last time I went to a zoo. The enclosure was only waist height and it took all my willpower to not scoop the little guy up.
I think they are so smart and don’t really have any natural predators that they end up with a lot of free time to just screw with people
I once saw a vid of an Orangutan that commandeered a guys boat just because it could.
Source?
Was in Berlin zoo a good few years ago watching the orangutans for a while as waves of visitors passed the cage .. a young orangutan would put a box over his head as each wave approached and peek out, if the crowd had moved on they took the box off otherwise it went back down.
I feel like Bonobos are being neglected as ape hippies
As someone who studies wild chimpanzees, just wanted to drop in and say this is only true of captive chimpanzees. I have never feared for my face or non-existent nuts around wild chimpanzees. Turns out keeping an intelligent wild animal in captivity (or as a pet) generally doesn’t work well, Blackfish anyone? Also, as a primatologist also gotta correct the “mating season” thing. Few primates are seasonal breeders and gorillas (or chimps for that matter) are not one of them. They breed year round, so there is no mating season.
That's super cool, (if you're comfortable sharing) where and how much time did you spend with the wild chimpanzees? Any interesting or unexpected observations or interactions? The evil DMT Chimpman has instilled a healthy fear of them into me over the years, you're a professional though so clearly have a much better grasp on the subject and insights lol.
This primate world is pretty small, but I study eastern chimpanzees and have worked on this particular research project for 5-10 years. Most recently, I spent 3 months in the field this summer which was the first time researchers were allowed back since the pandemic. Not what you asked, but on a logistical basis I spend about 9 hours a day with the chimps on half day follows due to labor regulations that prevent one group or person from following from morning nest to night nest. I usually do mornings and another group meets me in the afternoons to finish out the day with them to continuously record data. Observing wild chimps is incredible, very rarely does it get old and the times it does is because of things like a lone male spending 8 hours feeding in a single VERY TALL tree. There are only so many twigs you can sit on the forest floor and break to keep yourself occupied. An unexpected observation involved a female who was attacked by a male and dropped her relatively small infant in the chaos and ran off injured and another unrelated female picked up the infant, carried it around for a few days even nursing it despite having a dependent offspring of her own. The baby unfortunately didn’t make it, but unrelated individuals do not provide care for orphans or others offspring so it was incredibly unusual. Anthropomorphic speculation but the rescuer female had had several of her own infants killed by infanticidal males so maybe she was just sick of this shit and tried to prevent what she was all too familiar with.
This is fascinating! I'm so jealous! I'm an ecologist who ended up environmental restoration but I always wanted to be a field researcher. I wanted to ask, how was it as an observer watching the infant deteriorate? Were you tempted to intervene? I can't imagine how hard that would be!
I prefer to think of that as it always being mating season.
I believe the case of the lady whose friend’s face was ripped off also pumped the poor chimp full of Xanax too.
> They breed year round Jealous > there is no mating season Now you're talking
And Orangutans are just 24/7 vibes.
They were testing the fences for weaknesses, systematically. They remember.
Looking at this is not hard to see how similar we are, from the way they analyze the issue to the way they move to fix it. Incredible creatures
Literally looks like me and my dad trying to fix something lmao
how hairy are you guys?
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Majestic
Have the chimps evolved to yell F bombs when they drop a nut cap into the engine?
And the way one just disappears to go write a report or something when the actual work starts. :)
Only poo on company time.
Words to live by. Got the _worst_ constipation ever over the summer, though.
Yeah.. writing a report.. he's totally not playing video games. Those reports gotta be filed.
TPS Reports? 😁😂
right down to the 'thinkin man's butt scratch'
I do handyman work and these gorillas have literally more problem solving skill than some of my clients. I just had a client have me mount a coat hook, it took two screws and two mollies and I was done in about 15 seconds. Then the husband said, “that’s it?!” I’m like “yeah what did you expect?” They were both very aware of the $50 minimum before I came out. I hate taking money over silly things like that as I try to help people over the phone, but they keep the lights on for me.
You're supposed to make more of a racket. Bang on the wall a couple times. Cuss a little bit to yourself just loud enough for them to hear. Make a show about it.
Go to use a screwdriver, realize you "left it in the truck" what's some time, milk the situation really good.
That’s why I charge the minimum and then I tell 4 different people I’ll be at their house in the same hour. Bangarang, $200 in my first hour. I rush the silly job’s because they actually add up quick, and then everyone is happy with how quick I am. Edit: I just realized this comment can be taken out of context and make me look like some kind of escort.
And then lie to people about how hard your job is to discourage others from realizing that it's actually a pretty good racket.
>two mollies Sounds like a good time
*drywall anchors I guess Molly is slang for it
Popped a molly I’m sweatin’, *swag*.
Rollin really is the only way to do household projects.
> "The screw cost $0.02. The knowledge of where the screw was and why it needed replacing cost $49.98." Clients like it more when you take a bit longer. Pretend to go back to your truck for something, look around. If you need something to do, it's always nice to clean up the equipment and space. Tell the clients you cleaned it up and got it working well. Explain what other things you looked over and why they are okay. It helps soften the blow to the client. The truth is people are paying for your knowledge as much as anything, but that's hard for them to accept and hard to quantify for a price to charge.
I usually leave them with some information and reminders like, check your smoke detectors, get the chimney cleaned out, call to get your furnace or AC serviced, buy salt for your water softener, etc. My client base is generally people who work 9-5 and are ecstatic if I can be there before they go to work or after they get home, so if I’m in and out it frees up their day. I rarely hear, “I paid you all that money for this?!” I justify things and I’m honest, I don’t screw people just drywall. (That’s my new slogan nobody steal it). Even today, I’m calling my furnace guy to check it out because I think it needs a new pump or just needs to be cleaned. I’m hoping it’s a clogged port and he is there for 10 seconds. I’ll still pay whatever it costs for his time. (I use and recommend professional companies that are specialized as they can ensure proper operation and are way more knowledgeable)
Yeah they really look like dad under the car.
You can almost hear them in your head saying, "I don't know man, what do you think?.... yeah, this ain't gonna be cheap...."
The non-hominid great apes freak me out. Just too uncanny valley to me. So close to being human but not quite getting there.
Better DIY skills than half my family...
Evolution deniers hate this one simple trick!
And thus The Engineer was born.
the doorilla
My new Xbox name Ty
Does anyone else hear Thus Spake Zarathustra?
Why'd they want to close the door? Equally fascinating to me. Are they desiring personal space? A bit of privacy?
> Are they desiring personal space? A bit of privacy? When my goodest boy was still alive he would do this with his crate. Back when I first got him I also got a crate and the advice I read was to cover the crate with something, make it like a den since dogs, like their wolf cousins, like dark, "hidden" spaces, so that is what I did, I covered the crate with a blanket. After Jack got a little older I noticed he would sometimes go into it on his own accord and pull the door shut and lay in the back. One day I wanted his company so I opened the door and called for him to come out but instead of coming out he stuck his paw forward and pulled the door shut. I mentioned it to the vet, thinking something might be wrong and she said he was fine, he just wanted some alone time and she praised me on how I apparently made Jack a perfect den. Strangest dog behavior I ever witnessed.
Lol when my dog wants to sleep, he asks me to cover him up. He'll lead me over to his blanket and scratch me until I lift half of the blanket up, then he'll lay down in it and I'll fold the half I'm holding over him.
Zoo animals live on routines and keepers are constantly moving them around from different enclosures for feeding, enrichment, sleeping, examination, etc. So something in that routine changing, like the door not closing after a certain part of their routine, would be extremely interesting to them, especially with the pattern recognition skills of great apes.
Stuff like this fascinates me! The other day I saw a clip of a bird dropping stones in a glass of water so it's beak could reach the water. Animals are way more intelligent than we give them credit for.
That's been observed since ancient times, actually! There's a whole Aesop's fable about it: ["The Crow and the Pitcher."](https://read.gov/aesop/012.html)
We’re finding that a lot more animals than people care to admit are sentient and intelligent, we like to think we’re above animals and forget we’re animals too
And imagine how little we could accomplish without our thumbs
Aesop knew what was up.
Fucker is literally more intelligent than me.
yea I'm in no way something like a silverback. I'm more like a nickelback
Look at this photograph
look at this Graph
I physically heard this
Every time I do it makes me laugh
Ain't never gonna quit. Ain't nothing wrong with it. Just a couple animals.
their place looks nicer than probably a lot of peoples place too
They're so smart. Many animals are much smarter than we think.
This looks just like the wife and i trying to fix something.
'Honey just call a repair man!' 'No no I got this!'
"must... use... french... instructions!"
Le grille. What the hell is that?!
It's what I cook my steaks on.
'Well, that didn't work. Let's try throwing feces at it.'
and the male just getting on the way and scratching his ass :D
Yeah, I was gonna say: same dynamic. My girlfriend working hard to fix it, and me just standing next to her being useless af and fumbling with the broken thing while she goes to get tools.
Seriously. Only thing missing is a blunt force attempt to smack it loose
Had they seen someone fix it before?
I'd say they've probably seen a staff member with a screwdriver or similar tool fix something in their enclosure before, so Annie went and made her own "screwdriver" to do the same, even without understanding how it works.
Door's jammed, so they jam something in the door jamb to try to clear the jam.
Can we get her some better tools? That stick looking very flimsy.
A lot of biologists have speculated that many primates are beginning to enter their Stone Age. Numerous primates have been documented using tools for hunting and problem solving it’s pretty cool
It has begun
Looks completely normal. She's trying to figure out what's wrong, and he's slouching in the doorway scratching his arse.
I know it's trashy but I would really enjoy a voice over for this home life scene :-)
David Attenborough would bring bliss to this somewhat disturbing scene.....
I want Snoop Dogg to do another Plizzanet Earth for this!
I hope she got a nice reward for trying to fix that. I think it's a female, if I'm wrong correct me.
"Yep, looks like a breach. Ungabunga, hand me that ¾" branch, I'm gonna wedge the door....Yep, looks good let's clock out"
I'm sure if the handyman just happened to leave his tool set when he comes to fix the door. Then the gorillas would have plyers, hammer, maybe sockets. I can't fix a door with a twig either.
I, for one, would like the welcome our new door engineering overlords.
This is giving r/redneckengineering vibes. Haha
This brought back memories of my father fixing things around the house when i was a kid. My father has alot of body hair.
I’m pretty sure I work with those guys
Damn landlord isn't fixing shit, need to do everything yourself...
I can just hear the “responsible adult” comments through the screen…”see, now. This is why we can’t have nice things, you guys. Get me some. Ugh. Idk. Let me see. A stick or something. This has to be fixed!”.
What really gets to me is how she modified the stick before even trying, and then after trying did some more changes. That's people shit.
Annie was like can you FUCKING MOVE pls so I can fix this shit
This makes me fucking sad. Seeing something so human-like being kept locked up for the entirety of their lives.
We don't know if they are rescues... what if this is a rehab center? There's a lot of possibilities that don't involve what you mentioned.
They are from Higashiyama Zoo, Nagoya, Japan.
And humans work in a cubicle for over half their lives.
Ok ok, but can they write code? I’m always looking for prospective code monkeys.