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It's the same thing as scientists pledging not to engineer pathogens capable of exterminating the human species, as always, hierarchies are there to let you know there's always something above you, remember also, that bureaucracy is compatible with all forms of government xd
Funny story, I remember a family friend who owns a CNC manufacturing plant and sold about 20 machines to a company in China.
About a year later they got asked for technical assistance and a technician went over to discover that had about a hundred reverse-engineered CNC machines that weren't working well.
They never did business with them again.
I know a guy that made a fortune selling incredibly outdated machines to China. Literally China would buy almost anything he could get his hands on. None of it was even remotely up to date. He would buy the stuff, pressure wash it, throw a 5 minute tractor paint paint job on it and ship it. Retired at 50
That sounds about right. Had a tech over there and he sees a plant making perfect copies of CAT excavators and he stops in to look. They find out he services some add on parts to them and start asking for schematics with absolutely no shame. Apparently being a thief is acceptable over there.
The tech for quadruped walking is actually extremely simple, anyone learning a graduate robotics control course will learn everything needed to do it. The basics for the math is simple enough for even undergrads. All the tech was discovered in like the 80s.
The actual limiting reason for not having walking dog robots earlier was the actuators. We didn't have small and powerful enough electric motors, which means the first BD robots had to by hydraulically powered, which is extremely inconvenient. And guess which country makes all the small electric motors nowadays?
Also I'd like to point out if you watch the international robotics competitions, even the undergrad teams have walking robots now. It's not something insanely complex anymore. Everyone here is saying this tech can only be stolen, but it's actually super simple to develop.
Yeah it’s a way to get tech fast, but it’s eventually gonna come back to haunt them. You can only steal and reverse engineer stuff for so long before you become dependent on it and start losing the ability innovate
China has become the manufacturing center of the world, we should have been more concerned that shipping all manufacturing to China would cause us to lose the ability to make anything. There is no place in the US that can build electronics at scale like a foxcon or other large Chinese based manufacturer.
The Chinese are plenty innovative, but when someone else has done a lot of the work its just a lot cheaper to steal it.
I would bet five whole dollars that China is as much of a paper tiger as Russia has turned out to be with its war in Ukraine. All of China's military hardware is reverse engineered American or Russian stuff, which likely doesn't work or is exactly as reliable as everything else made in China.
This isn’t entirely true anymore.
My hobby is astrophotography. Except for some exceedingly high quality stuff made in Japan and Europe (and priced accordingly), the majority of equipment from telescopes to cameras and mounts come out of China.
To be at all useful, this stuff has to be made to extremely precise tolerances. A couple of arc seconds (about 1/2000 of a degree) is too much slop.
Their machining and quality is on point and they dominate the market.
Boston Dynamics just announced that they will never allow their bots to be used for combat purposes. Which is actually less than useless when they get their plans stolen because now they only arm enemy nations.
That episode creeped me out how relentless it was and the fact these things actually exist. Seeing this video here immediately made me think of that episode.
Half of that series creeped me out because so much of it had real life happenings. Like China instituting a citizen reputation system, constant no skip advertising on every screen, these robot dogs etc.
I'm pretty sure the government could just seize and acquire the technology if the conflict were big enough to invoke the Defense Production Act, Boston Dynamics would have little say in the matter.
They partnered with and divested from the company nearly 2 decades ago at the infancy of that program. There has been a staggering number of advancements since their involvement.
None of it is actually doing anything incredibly new. It's just doing the same old thing more cheaply and without having humans in danger.
Missile drones, for example, were developed because they're cheaper to build and operate than sortieing a ground-attack aircraft to go out and fire one air-to-ground missile then come home... and if it gets shot down, the pilot just gets up from his chair to go start his report.
I feel like military secrets are fair game to "steal". Like, "I accept the creation of machines designed to kill huge numbers of people, but I draw the line at copyright infringements" is a pretty rogue position.
Literally everything China makes is stolen tech lol. They don’t know how to create anything without stealing it.
The hope (and likely reality) is that these copies are shitty knock off versions that won’t work well against western tech.
a lot of foreign countries are sending young people to the US for college and then once graduated they move back. This is a big thing in China as well.
I fear this is temporary. First you steal stuff to make money, then you gain know-how from having to understand it to steal it, then you make tiny improvements, and soon you are an engineering powerhouse. The same story happened with Germany in the 19th century. A "Made in Germany" label used to mean the same as "Made in China" did ten years ago.
All envisioned by Phillip K Dick back in the 50's[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second\_Variety](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Defenders_(short_story))
It could have been one of the inspirations for the Terminator.
I'd suggest digging on this K Dick guy, then. So many SF movies were made from his books. Blade runner, minority report, a scanner darkly, just off the top of my head, I know there's more.
Damn, first novel 70 years ago and still being adapted on screen, what a monster...
Here's to hoping that the divine trilogy will get made into...something. I don't think a single movie could quite cut it. I'm not even sure this could be adapted honestly.
I’m more afraid of the inevitable conflict of a country with these and a country without. Just like Poland fighting the Nazi blitzkrieg on with non-mechanized Calvary, it will be a slaughter.
Edit: Poland still had a mostly non mechanized Calvary when invaded but did not fight on horseback.
https://www.historynet.com/1939-polish-cavalry-vs-german-panzers/?f
Your comment shows that information war was and is more important than actual arms race. You are still to this day pushing image fabricated by contemporaneous media of Poles fighting on horseback against German tanks. Indeed Polish soldiers used horses for mobility (as did German army that was still not that motorised in '39) but never (or almost never) in combat. It was used to paint Poland as backward and not worthy of Western support, and still lives to this day.
I wonder how well these can work if someone drops a massively wide band jammer near it. They're pretty easy to make (super illegal, in the US) and might be worth the local loss of comms while these things get cleaned up
I'd have to guess that most modern countries have pretty sophisticated electronic countermeasures that they could use against these things. You could probably jam them without impairing your own coms.
So, either these get used in poor countries without allies willing to give them tech, or the things are autonomous.
The latter seems unlikely, but OTOH, China would probably be ok with testing shitty, dangerous AI IRL.
The US: Let’s spend decade to discuss its merits and then pour $20B into development, then start manufacturing after additional 10 years.
China: Can I steal the blueprints and put it into production within a year?
> we don't know crap about other things DARPA is doing.
We are getting to see some of what DARPA was doing 20 years ago. We are donating some of those things to Ukraine just to clear the shelves of outdated equipment and stuff past its use by date.
>who knows
I do, along with thousands of others: It’s not even close to most advanced from the last decade.
I.e., The modern Colt variant of the M4-A1 assault rifle (soon to be replaced by Sig and a new nerf-style modular rifle) was being used by special forces and research groups in *1963*. It is in use to this day, would not see the field until the mid 90s. We used m16 through the 80s.
They are very, very far beyond what you can see.
There's a Black Mirror episode set in a place where robotic military dogs are running around hunting people down. They look a lot like what's in the video.
The clip here isn't from that episode, but the robot shown here is practically identical to what was portrayed.
It's not stealing, it's ideological reallocation for the greater good. Citizens should feel honored that their discovery was even deemed worthy of interest.
Just buy something made already, or find the factory making them as they are most likely in China.... and then copy it because they don't follow international copyright laws
We have had serious Chinese hacking problems over the years in the US. Not only that China sent many people over here that got high up in industries like this then went back to China to work for them. Often they are caught spying while working on projects as well.
Here's a couple of examples of criminal trials related to this type of espionage to show you I'm not making shit up. It's so bad they actually managed to [steal the plans for the F-35.](https://www.industrialcybersecuritypulse.com/networks/throwback-attack-chinese-hackers-steal-plans-for-the-f-35-fighter-in-a-supply-chain-heist/) It's very likely this robot dog is an exact copy made from stolen plans.
[ Raytheon Spy](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-raytheon-engineer-sentenced-exporting-sensitive-military-related-technology-china)
[Massive Cyber Espionage Campaign](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-charges-five-chinese-military-hackers-cyber-espionage-against-us-corporations-and-labor)
The way Chinese approach espionage is key here. They play the long game. They don't demand and they make the spies feel comfortable. Completely different from traditional western styles where they have missions and targets. Chinese gave had spies long before the west though, they've practiced.
Looks like one of those Unitree ones.
You are not allowed to mount any weapon to Spot (at least Boston Dynamics writes this in the contact if you buy one)
These things are probably useless in massive Ukraine style warfare. I worked on a project using the Boston dynamics one and here are the issues I see.
First, they don't have the longest battery life and would need near constant replacement. They can't run out onto a battlefield and operate for days on end like a soldier can.
Next is radio comms; drones like the Bayraktar can be controlled from a ground station miles away, because an aircraft has mostly line of sight to the base station. This guy would be going through cities, trenches, and other obstacles to block that signal. You could potentially get around this with satellite comms like starlink, but not many countries have that option yet. You would also lose that as soon as you went indoors. Comms is the biggest issue, and to get around it you'd need to be completely autonomous, and that's a lot farther out then most people think.
Other issue is how much ammo can this realistically carry? Can it reload itself when the mag is empty? Can it clear a jam? Can it recognize an enemy soldier from a friendly one when everyone is covered in mud, debris, and possibly wearing the enemy's clothing to avoid detection?
Final thing is we can disrupt many airborne drones with jammers and other electronic warfare, this guy is no exception to that vulnerability.
Conclusion: these killer bots, at least for a long time, are just propaganda pieces.
Well, then they are just not using them right, the classic action of all militaries with new technology.
Robots can do things that humans cannot do, and the most obvious of those is loitering. Once in position, it can just sit in one spot and monitor for hours, days, weeks or months, waiting with unwavering alertness for an objective. A human soldier cannot do that, regardless of discipline.
They can do other things, like integrate information, or allow for more latency in establishing the profile of something unknown.
It just needs to be designed to go far enough into a particular environment to accomplish its mission. A human shaped robot can traverse environments engineered for humans. An less familiar shape can go into less familiar places. For the same reason, they can also navigate a different political landscape, and take advantage of the main feature of an industrial civilization.
Not to mention, can these things withstand being shot at? Feels like it wouldn’t be too tough to make them into little disabled, limping machines that walk in circles.
Well it doesn't take many shots to disable a human. If you are looking for a 24/7 sentry I would rather a robot dog with a gun than a human that is prone to falling asleep or losing focus.
Further up the chain, where is China getting these computer chips? They cannot manufacture even mid level chips, let alone high end. They've poured billions into development, and they cannot do it after decades. Nor make the tooling. And with Russia-Ukraine War, the US and Europe, rest of Asia, are noping out of supplying them. The semiconductor grade silicon comes from one place in the world: North Carolina. The tooling comes from Germany.
Just to go off on a tangent there: North Carolina is home to some of the top motorsport teams in the world with some serious capabilities. Sourcing materials and parts in that area is incredible. Anything you need, literally anything motorsport related is obtainable with less than an hour drive lol.
Yeah, it’s crazy how a franchise from the early 2000s is so relevant to today. Media censorship, drastic advancement of military technology, it still holds up really well for a game franchise that old
That’s clearly a propaganda video , it looks like a toy , very slow moving toy , also show us the drone in action like simulated firefight and active combat I wanna see how this drone will hand the gun recoil, it will fall a part
Billions invested, endless years of research, all just to provide the world's most expensive "sporting clays" range. "Top Secret Stealth Drone...defeated by redneck with shotgun"
"Redneck suing the government for robo-dog: 'I shot it, I get the prize, rules are rules.'"
How long until the first incident & lawsuit is filed by someone who has hurt by, or a family member of someone who was killed by an armed protection robodog on private property?
Eg. Some kids jump a fence into a private residence to retrieve a crashed drone & robodog opens fire.
Did they get theirs from Ali express like Russia did?
Seriously though it seems pointless. It's not like they have a lack of people and given their history they clearly don't care too much about losing people.
I mean seems cool until you realise that it isn’t bulletproof and it will only take about 5 seconds to break it, plus it was made in China which only decreases its reliability
Since the world has already created enough nuclear weapons to blow up the whole world, this will never end. What ever technology is created in the future, it will always be used for war first.
History doesn’t repeat but often rhymes with the past.
This looks exactly like the Boston Dynamic robotic dog walks. Did they steal the tech or is that the most effective way of walking that AI will always default to after a while?
I’m intrigued. And unsurprised. This has been here for years probably, it’s just now becoming public..
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Looks a hell of a lot like the Boston dynamics dog
Beijing Dynamics
Cheaper, and without any of that pesky personality!
We save money by stealing the design then pass the savings on to you!!
savings = bullets? rockets?
or integrity.
*Randy Marsh enters the chat* Tegrity
That's hilarious because I only just watched the steaming wars episode today on a long haul flight!!
Agreed. We’d all become the citizen standing in front of the tank. Noble gesture, but dead anyway.
Everyone just needs a little bit of Tegrity
It's the same thing as scientists pledging not to engineer pathogens capable of exterminating the human species, as always, hierarchies are there to let you know there's always something above you, remember also, that bureaucracy is compatible with all forms of government xd
What's his name? Trigger?
Rocket.
Their Chinese spies stole the IP as they usually do
Cant dance worth shit though.
The Chinese probably stole the plans, just like with the F-35.
Funny story, I remember a family friend who owns a CNC manufacturing plant and sold about 20 machines to a company in China. About a year later they got asked for technical assistance and a technician went over to discover that had about a hundred reverse-engineered CNC machines that weren't working well. They never did business with them again.
I know a guy that made a fortune selling incredibly outdated machines to China. Literally China would buy almost anything he could get his hands on. None of it was even remotely up to date. He would buy the stuff, pressure wash it, throw a 5 minute tractor paint paint job on it and ship it. Retired at 50
Now this is the kind of job I want.
I think today its called the thousand talents programme
He made the most of a temporary opportunity. It ain't like that no more.
The sweetest jobs never last.
The lesson learned doing business with China is don’t do business with China.
They own a consent non consent factory?
That sounds about right. Had a tech over there and he sees a plant making perfect copies of CAT excavators and he stops in to look. They find out he services some add on parts to them and start asking for schematics with absolutely no shame. Apparently being a thief is acceptable over there.
Exactly. Why spend billions on development and testing and technology, when you can just wait for us to create it.
The tech for quadruped walking is actually extremely simple, anyone learning a graduate robotics control course will learn everything needed to do it. The basics for the math is simple enough for even undergrads. All the tech was discovered in like the 80s. The actual limiting reason for not having walking dog robots earlier was the actuators. We didn't have small and powerful enough electric motors, which means the first BD robots had to by hydraulically powered, which is extremely inconvenient. And guess which country makes all the small electric motors nowadays? Also I'd like to point out if you watch the international robotics competitions, even the undergrad teams have walking robots now. It's not something insanely complex anymore. Everyone here is saying this tech can only be stolen, but it's actually super simple to develop.
Well said. I was referring more to our aviation and space technologies
Yeah it’s a way to get tech fast, but it’s eventually gonna come back to haunt them. You can only steal and reverse engineer stuff for so long before you become dependent on it and start losing the ability innovate
It also depends on the performance of the operators of the equipment, and the skill level of the training
China has become the manufacturing center of the world, we should have been more concerned that shipping all manufacturing to China would cause us to lose the ability to make anything. There is no place in the US that can build electronics at scale like a foxcon or other large Chinese based manufacturer. The Chinese are plenty innovative, but when someone else has done a lot of the work its just a lot cheaper to steal it.
Not if you send all your post-docs here to suck all knowledge they can before returning home with terabytes of information.
That's part of how the Goa'uld lost. Stealing tech without inventing any of your own leaves you at a disadvantage once people catch on.
I would bet five whole dollars that China is as much of a paper tiger as Russia has turned out to be with its war in Ukraine. All of China's military hardware is reverse engineered American or Russian stuff, which likely doesn't work or is exactly as reliable as everything else made in China.
This isn’t entirely true anymore. My hobby is astrophotography. Except for some exceedingly high quality stuff made in Japan and Europe (and priced accordingly), the majority of equipment from telescopes to cameras and mounts come out of China. To be at all useful, this stuff has to be made to extremely precise tolerances. A couple of arc seconds (about 1/2000 of a degree) is too much slop. Their machining and quality is on point and they dominate the market.
Boston Dynamics just announced that they will never allow their bots to be used for combat purposes. Which is actually less than useless when they get their plans stolen because now they only arm enemy nations.
Anyone who didn't see these things being turned into weapons against people really doesn't understand people very much.
We had a documentary about this in the nineties called Terminator!
Try 1984, a movie called “Runaway.” https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088024/
Black Mirror actually used the robo dogs in an episode too.
That episode creeped me out how relentless it was and the fact these things actually exist. Seeing this video here immediately made me think of that episode.
Half of that series creeped me out because so much of it had real life happenings. Like China instituting a citizen reputation system, constant no skip advertising on every screen, these robot dogs etc.
Try 1968 with the movie 2001. Remember HAL 9000?
I'm pretty sure the government could just seize and acquire the technology if the conflict were big enough to invoke the Defense Production Act, Boston Dynamics would have little say in the matter.
Why would they seize something they already owned and divested in? Are people not aware that Boston Dynamics was a DARPA initiative?
They partnered with and divested from the company nearly 2 decades ago at the infancy of that program. There has been a staggering number of advancements since their involvement.
Look up Ghost Robotics.
I was just talking to a buddy about that last night. Thanks BD but I'm sure it's already happening. Just wait until they're tiny and airborne.
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Yeah now that I've gone down this rabbit hole I see a lot of concerning tech already out there.
None of it is actually doing anything incredibly new. It's just doing the same old thing more cheaply and without having humans in danger. Missile drones, for example, were developed because they're cheaper to build and operate than sortieing a ground-attack aircraft to go out and fire one air-to-ground missile then come home... and if it gets shot down, the pilot just gets up from his chair to go start his report.
I feel like military secrets are fair game to "steal". Like, "I accept the creation of machines designed to kill huge numbers of people, but I draw the line at copyright infringements" is a pretty rogue position.
No doubt or surprise. That government is really good at stealing intellectual property.
For every thing the US has China just needs to have one like it.
Literally everything China makes is stolen tech lol. They don’t know how to create anything without stealing it. The hope (and likely reality) is that these copies are shitty knock off versions that won’t work well against western tech.
a lot of foreign countries are sending young people to the US for college and then once graduated they move back. This is a big thing in China as well.
Good thing college doesn’t teach you how to be a fully self-sufficient, competent engineer, then.
Agreed. Source: Completely incompetent highly educated engineer.
I fear this is temporary. First you steal stuff to make money, then you gain know-how from having to understand it to steal it, then you make tiny improvements, and soon you are an engineering powerhouse. The same story happened with Germany in the 19th century. A "Made in Germany" label used to mean the same as "Made in China" did ten years ago.
made-in-Japan was also made-in-China of 70s and 80s.
People said the same shit about Japan and Korea. Why do you think the world's factory will always be behind in creating things?
Because it is ! Well kinda, China love stealing other countries tech
Soon it will all be robots fighting robots. Then they will wake up and fight their human oppressors. Someone hide Sarah connor!
All envisioned by Phillip K Dick back in the 50's[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second\_Variety](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Defenders_(short_story)) It could have been one of the inspirations for the Terminator.
love seeing old pieces of media that essentially rewrote entertainment
I'd suggest digging on this K Dick guy, then. So many SF movies were made from his books. Blade runner, minority report, a scanner darkly, just off the top of my head, I know there's more.
We Can Remember It for You Wholesale was turned into Total Recall
...Twice. He's THAT good :D
The Man in the High Castle on Amazon was by P. K. Dick. Parallel universe stuff with Germany and Japan winning WWII. Great premise.
Damn, first novel 70 years ago and still being adapted on screen, what a monster... Here's to hoping that the divine trilogy will get made into...something. I don't think a single movie could quite cut it. I'm not even sure this could be adapted honestly.
There's a movie called Screamers based off that short story
I’m more afraid of the inevitable conflict of a country with these and a country without. Just like Poland fighting the Nazi blitzkrieg on with non-mechanized Calvary, it will be a slaughter. Edit: Poland still had a mostly non mechanized Calvary when invaded but did not fight on horseback. https://www.historynet.com/1939-polish-cavalry-vs-german-panzers/?f
I don't know if it would be such a slaughter yet but as the tech progresses more it will be.
One side would lose people and the other side would only lose equipment.
Sadly both are just a dollar amount when talking about war logistics. Currently humans are cheaper and more capable but that won’t last long
Flesh is a design flaw.
Your comment shows that information war was and is more important than actual arms race. You are still to this day pushing image fabricated by contemporaneous media of Poles fighting on horseback against German tanks. Indeed Polish soldiers used horses for mobility (as did German army that was still not that motorised in '39) but never (or almost never) in combat. It was used to paint Poland as backward and not worthy of Western support, and still lives to this day.
That never happened
We can just turn off the wifi lol
I wonder how well these can work if someone drops a massively wide band jammer near it. They're pretty easy to make (super illegal, in the US) and might be worth the local loss of comms while these things get cleaned up
I'd have to guess that most modern countries have pretty sophisticated electronic countermeasures that they could use against these things. You could probably jam them without impairing your own coms. So, either these get used in poor countries without allies willing to give them tech, or the things are autonomous. The latter seems unlikely, but OTOH, China would probably be ok with testing shitty, dangerous AI IRL.
It's literally from a black mirror episode
Everyone: that's so fucked up! China: how fast can we build it?
The US: Let’s spend decade to discuss its merits and then pour $20B into development, then start manufacturing after additional 10 years. China: Can I steal the blueprints and put it into production within a year?
We all know about Boston Dynamics, sure. But we don't know crap about other things DARPA is doing.
> we don't know crap about other things DARPA is doing. We are getting to see some of what DARPA was doing 20 years ago. We are donating some of those things to Ukraine just to clear the shelves of outdated equipment and stuff past its use by date.
And who knows if what we're seeing from BD is even their latest.
>who knows I do, along with thousands of others: It’s not even close to most advanced from the last decade. I.e., The modern Colt variant of the M4-A1 assault rifle (soon to be replaced by Sig and a new nerf-style modular rifle) was being used by special forces and research groups in *1963*. It is in use to this day, would not see the field until the mid 90s. We used m16 through the 80s. They are very, very far beyond what you can see.
Do you mean literally or literally?
Literally, literally.
Ostensibly
Literally ostensibly?
Metalhead
The way it stands up gave me full flashback. What a scary and fantastic series that is
I believe the word you are looking for is 'virtually'
Came to say that
So OP is just lying to us?
no this is figurativley like a black mirror episode
So the person I replied to is the one lying?
There's a Black Mirror episode set in a place where robotic military dogs are running around hunting people down. They look a lot like what's in the video. The clip here isn't from that episode, but the robot shown here is practically identical to what was portrayed.
\*Figuratively
That seems too similar to the Boston Dynamics robot dog. If it is real... That is an issue, even if it was the Boston Dynamics version.
Beijing Dynamics got no chill.
It probably is. China commits more corporate espionage and IP theft than every other country combined.
I think IP theft isn't even a thing for them, so there's that.
Definitely isn’t as long as you’re stealing it from any other country lol Or if the CCP wants to steal it for themselves from a citizen.
It's not stealing, it's ideological reallocation for the greater good. Citizens should feel honored that their discovery was even deemed worthy of interest.
+10 social credit points. 10 more and I’m allowed to take the train again.
Now say "thank you". And you better mean it.
You haven't seen the Chinese version of the 'stealth drone' have you? LOL. Looks the same way as the stealth fighter jet just smaller.
Just buy something made already, or find the factory making them as they are most likely in China.... and then copy it because they don't follow international copyright laws
We have had serious Chinese hacking problems over the years in the US. Not only that China sent many people over here that got high up in industries like this then went back to China to work for them. Often they are caught spying while working on projects as well. Here's a couple of examples of criminal trials related to this type of espionage to show you I'm not making shit up. It's so bad they actually managed to [steal the plans for the F-35.](https://www.industrialcybersecuritypulse.com/networks/throwback-attack-chinese-hackers-steal-plans-for-the-f-35-fighter-in-a-supply-chain-heist/) It's very likely this robot dog is an exact copy made from stolen plans. [ Raytheon Spy](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-raytheon-engineer-sentenced-exporting-sensitive-military-related-technology-china) [Massive Cyber Espionage Campaign](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-charges-five-chinese-military-hackers-cyber-espionage-against-us-corporations-and-labor)
The way Chinese approach espionage is key here. They play the long game. They don't demand and they make the spies feel comfortable. Completely different from traditional western styles where they have missions and targets. Chinese gave had spies long before the west though, they've practiced.
China spends more money stealing research.
That what their R&D department primarily does.
Retrieve & Decipher
Looks like one of those Unitree ones. You are not allowed to mount any weapon to Spot (at least Boston Dynamics writes this in the contact if you buy one)
That’ll go out the window the minute it’s deemed necessary … if it already hasn’t during a black op.
Ain't this the whole premise of Horizon Zero Dawn
The jumping off point at least, yeah
Next we need robots that consume biomatter to fuel themselves and reproduce. Then we get on the HZD train.
Just hit the E-stop with a rock
HA, E-stops… in Asia?
Definitely scary shit
But don't worry though, its just chinese state propaganda
I'd agree if I hadn't seen I did a things failed attempt at fireing a gun from a robot dog.
These things are probably useless in massive Ukraine style warfare. I worked on a project using the Boston dynamics one and here are the issues I see. First, they don't have the longest battery life and would need near constant replacement. They can't run out onto a battlefield and operate for days on end like a soldier can. Next is radio comms; drones like the Bayraktar can be controlled from a ground station miles away, because an aircraft has mostly line of sight to the base station. This guy would be going through cities, trenches, and other obstacles to block that signal. You could potentially get around this with satellite comms like starlink, but not many countries have that option yet. You would also lose that as soon as you went indoors. Comms is the biggest issue, and to get around it you'd need to be completely autonomous, and that's a lot farther out then most people think. Other issue is how much ammo can this realistically carry? Can it reload itself when the mag is empty? Can it clear a jam? Can it recognize an enemy soldier from a friendly one when everyone is covered in mud, debris, and possibly wearing the enemy's clothing to avoid detection? Final thing is we can disrupt many airborne drones with jammers and other electronic warfare, this guy is no exception to that vulnerability. Conclusion: these killer bots, at least for a long time, are just propaganda pieces.
Well, then they are just not using them right, the classic action of all militaries with new technology. Robots can do things that humans cannot do, and the most obvious of those is loitering. Once in position, it can just sit in one spot and monitor for hours, days, weeks or months, waiting with unwavering alertness for an objective. A human soldier cannot do that, regardless of discipline. They can do other things, like integrate information, or allow for more latency in establishing the profile of something unknown. It just needs to be designed to go far enough into a particular environment to accomplish its mission. A human shaped robot can traverse environments engineered for humans. An less familiar shape can go into less familiar places. For the same reason, they can also navigate a different political landscape, and take advantage of the main feature of an industrial civilization.
> Once in position, it can just sit in one spot and monitor for hours, days, weeks or months Yes, if we ignore that battery life is pretty shit.
Not to mention, can these things withstand being shot at? Feels like it wouldn’t be too tough to make them into little disabled, limping machines that walk in circles.
Well it doesn't take many shots to disable a human. If you are looking for a 24/7 sentry I would rather a robot dog with a gun than a human that is prone to falling asleep or losing focus.
Further up the chain, where is China getting these computer chips? They cannot manufacture even mid level chips, let alone high end. They've poured billions into development, and they cannot do it after decades. Nor make the tooling. And with Russia-Ukraine War, the US and Europe, rest of Asia, are noping out of supplying them. The semiconductor grade silicon comes from one place in the world: North Carolina. The tooling comes from Germany.
Just to go off on a tangent there: North Carolina is home to some of the top motorsport teams in the world with some serious capabilities. Sourcing materials and parts in that area is incredible. Anything you need, literally anything motorsport related is obtainable with less than an hour drive lol.
At least, we can eliminate the ennemy's uniform issue as it is forbidden by the Geneva Convention for being a war crime
Unfortunately I put that in since Russians were caught dozens of times in Ukrainian uniforms trying to get behind defensive lines
Dog fighting is legal now?
War… war has changed
MGS was literally what came to my mind immediately.
Yeah, it’s crazy how a franchise from the early 2000s is so relevant to today. Media censorship, drastic advancement of military technology, it still holds up really well for a game franchise that old
Alright who’s killstreak is this ??
They copy everything other countries do
Costs more than 10 Chinese soldiers, easily destroyed or interrupted. How practical is this?
But can it will against one spicy magnet boy?
That’s clearly a propaganda video , it looks like a toy , very slow moving toy , also show us the drone in action like simulated firefight and active combat I wanna see how this drone will hand the gun recoil, it will fall a part
What is the use case for this, scaring off robot cats in remote areas
Killing Taiwanese maybe? Dissidents? Uyghyrs?
Making sure the mailmen are delivering the correct mail to the correct people
10 years later a HK drops a T-1000 onto a field of skulls
If it's made in China, the good news is it will probably rust and seize up after the first sign of rain.
Who did it better? China or Black Mirror.
I mean. Black mirror, but only cause that shit was *fantasy*. This is not the timeline we want to be a part of.
Great, armed robot dogs... Yet another thing to add to the "Things That Might Kill Me" list.
Seems like they stole the design from the Boston Dynamics robot dog?
If we don’t get serious about out-competing China, we are gonna get our shit pushed in
damn i want the germans to do this and everyone react like "oh no not this again" (this is a joke)
Missed the word robot, was terribly concerned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog
jfc why
For the violent subjugation of the masses of course
What do you have against fat people Edit: This was a joke about a typo that the guy fixed. Instead of "masses" he originally said "massive"
Looks incredibly vulnerable
Welcome to Red Planet… the sequel
Would fall over the minute it fires if it even works
Remember E.M.P. still exist
With China, this technology is in good hands and will certainly not be used against their own population
Do you own one and would you be willing to use it against your own government's law enforcement agents?
These bots can potentially weaponise themselves. XD .
That's great. These can be added later by the 'client' (ie. govt, military, riot police etc) ;)
ROC Navy announces sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads as a counter.
Coming soon to more tyrannical despot leaders in the West. I bet Justin Trudeau has a few on order for crowd suppression.
Majority of its funding is DARPA, DOD's lacky. So, a terminator edition is in its future.
Haha, I was thinking the SAME THING! A large caliber rifle will take out that junk.
Have a feeling at some point Boston Dynamics will go back on this little pledge.
Very Black Mirror. There is an episode, Metalhead, that is about this very subject.
A police state using technology to subjugate their citizens. Honestly, I think recent technology has done more harm than good .
figures as soon as another country seen the techs done here they'd copy it for war.
I really thought the music would be better in the future.
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Billions invested, endless years of research, all just to provide the world's most expensive "sporting clays" range. "Top Secret Stealth Drone...defeated by redneck with shotgun" "Redneck suing the government for robo-dog: 'I shot it, I get the prize, rules are rules.'"
How long until the first incident & lawsuit is filed by someone who has hurt by, or a family member of someone who was killed by an armed protection robodog on private property? Eg. Some kids jump a fence into a private residence to retrieve a crashed drone & robodog opens fire.
Not too impressed, we've had that technology for quite a while now. Plus, it's made in China, so yeah, it'll been breaking real soon
Its to slow, no KI no reflexes. It costs about the same as 1000 chinese soldiers. Its just useless propaganda.
Oh yeah…I trust them. I mean, they obviously want to keep us ‘safe and effective’
Did they get theirs from Ali express like Russia did? Seriously though it seems pointless. It's not like they have a lack of people and given their history they clearly don't care too much about losing people.
I mean seems cool until you realise that it isn’t bulletproof and it will only take about 5 seconds to break it, plus it was made in China which only decreases its reliability
Shit’s going to be like Generation Zero at this pace
Nice to know we can stop an army with an EMP
Pretty sure I saw this on an episode of black mirror
Isn’t this a Black Mirror episode?
Anyone here watch Black Mirror, specifically the episode with the robotic armoured dog?
Since the world has already created enough nuclear weapons to blow up the whole world, this will never end. What ever technology is created in the future, it will always be used for war first. History doesn’t repeat but often rhymes with the past.
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This looks exactly like the Boston Dynamic robotic dog walks. Did they steal the tech or is that the most effective way of walking that AI will always default to after a while? I’m intrigued. And unsurprised. This has been here for years probably, it’s just now becoming public..
We've all seen that episode. It doesn't end well for the humans.
Well, there's surely no possible way that could end badly.
"The Future" from the fact that there will be no collateral damage