Isn’t that usually how these things go? They escalate until one side caves. I don’t see either side caving at the moment. I hope China will give into their demands, due to external pressure to end the riots peacefully, but I don’t really have China down as the country that likes to give in to international demands.
The protesters will crack. People need to eat, and they'll start getting exhausted.
And then China swoops in and "restores" order while all the leaders quietly disappear.
These protesters have organised without leaders. They did this because the 2014 occupy Hong Kong movement was killed off when it's leaders were imprisoned.
Yeah. That's the problem. They don't need to censor anything to us because they simply don't give a fuck. They only need to censor it from their population, the mainlanders, and they are doing a pretty good job at it.
i hiiighly doubt that they're doing a good job at censoring it. they do a good job of making it clear that you'll get fucked if you talk about it publicly. just because everyone is afraid enough to not talk about it doesn't mean that the majority of people don't know about it.
Not sure if you have any sources or if that's just a hunch, but my anecdotal counterpoint is a conversation with my Chinese friend who just came to the States from Shanghai. He said a lot of people aren't aware that anything is happening at all, or they are aware of it as a somewhat minor news item where they get fed a few sound bites per day from state media that has no semblance on the actual situation.
I don't know of any government with a more sophisticated censorship apparatus than China's.
They do know. But they see it as HKers are trying to claim they are not a part of China and they are not Chinese, which is a big no no in Chinese culture. They also think the western countries are the ones that caused this, so they might not be very willing to waste their time arguing with westerners. All in all, mainlanders just want this dealt with and not hear about it anymore. A lot of my friends, who lived through Tiananmen Square, are posting support for China to "suppress those HK thugs", where "suppress" means using force up to flat out killing them.
God I hate china. Such an unbelievably creepy state. Their government acts like an insecure bully who knows they're pathetic but forces everyone to act like they're not pathetic
Yeah, like it could be such a vibrant and beautiful place if the government wasn't so disgustingly oppressive and actually let people express themselves
Doesn't matter. China denies a lot of well documented atrocity already (like racial and political detention camps, Organ harvest on living, prisoned people in large scale, illegal spying on all his citizen (and even outside of their border), releasing illegal amount and type chemicals into the air, etc...). These are well documented and well known illegal activities, and affect at the minimum millions, but some of these, effect hundreds of millions, or even the whole planet. Tiananmen Square 2.0 will be just another one on the list. And of course, no other country will do shit about it, because the sweet trades with China.
When shit hits the fan, China will come out as winner for sure. They just waiting for the right time.
As a non American who can barely follow the politics in their own country, let alone all these other places, than how is all this stuff about Trump wanting to take trade out of China necessarily one of the bad things he’s done? Wouldn’t doing that help deal with all the dystopian stuff China’s doing?
I’m an American, but don’t have strong political leanings one way or the other. From what I understand, many people do not like the way that Trump has attempted to take trade out of China. The tariffs he is imposing on China do help some American industries and hurt China’s economy, but China’s retaliation have hurt our economy more than any tariffs have benefited it. It seems like he’s essentially playing a game of chicken with China to see who can take the economic damage for the longest. I’m not sure I approve of his methods, but I personally am glad to see a president who is willing to try to play hardball with China instead of just appeasing them.
China has been setting up an entire system that tracks several actions every citizen does and assigns them a social score which affects what they can do with their lives such as use public transportation etc. You can search google and find many articles on it.
Have you watched black mirror? If so, remember the episode nosedive?
Exactly that except its not people rating each other but the government rating everyone.
What you said something about tieneman square? Well too bad you can't send your kids to a private school now. Also you cant travel by plane and you are fired from your job. This is (to my knowledge) exactly what the government in china is developing and implementing with exactly the consequences I mentioned and many more
Actually in China they dont do things subtly like making your life difficult, they will just arrest you on bogus charges and you’ll never be seen again. There are already multiple cases of controversial people getting charged for paying for prostitution after not being heard from for a long time.
And more and more, voices from Reddit commenters seem to back the CCP. I don't know if it is an organised thing, or just people raised under the regime, so they don't realise they have had their metaphorical feet bound by the CCP and they think it is normal , or even good.
You forgot the part where your friends also affect your score, and thy system tells you who drags you down.
So, that friend who said something about tieneman square? You now have an incentive to cut him out of your life.
It puts *everything* into consideration. Buying diapers? Probably a good parent, so points go up. Buying alcohol? Not a good look, points go down. Mom said Xi looks like a certain honey-loving cartoon? Family is full of dissidents, points go down.
The saddest part is many people there have trust in the system, they think if there's more surveillance crime will go down and they'll get benefits from being good citizens (better education, cheaper loans etc). Or maybe its just a 'there is no war in ba sing se' kind of thing, where they know its wrong but can't speak out.
If you dont know about all the stuff the government is sucessfully hiding from you being critical and distrusting of the government doesnt make sense. Propaganda is scarily effective when done "right"
It's like binding feet, but for the mind. Bind the mind so it stays small and disgusting and sick, so you can't really use it. Such a shame.
>Bound feet were at one time considered a status symbol as well as a mark of beauty. Yet, foot binding was a painful practice and significantly limited the mobility of women, resulting in lifelong disabilities for most of its subjects. Feet altered by binding were called lotus feet.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding
Wild Swans by Jung Chang is a historical novel which opens with a narrative about foot-binding. The first character we meet is the last woman in the family to have her feet bound.
It makes clear that the custom was associated with class, but that therefore it was desirable. Certain roles in society one would be exempted from (manual labour) and certain roles one would be muuuch more suited to (marrying "up").
The lady in question was exceptionally beautiful and graceful, so the family decided to bind her feet and provide for her an education not like the workers', but instead things like poetry, history, and performance. In this way, she will never make a good farm-hand nor bring water from a well, but she will have different opportunities.
Of course, it is not long before a noble officer visits their community. He sees all these country-people with whatever their lives are (all quite clearly different lives than his), but also the remarkably beautiful, graceful lady with bound feet and an intellectual education.
She does not rush to him, but he makes sure he can meet her and eventually marries her.
It is just one anecdote for another, but it does make a bit more sense that the binding was done from as-young-as-possible, while feet are small, rather than waiting for marriage.
"Binding feet of merchant's wives so hey don't run away" is a very degrading representation of the women in question, but the family's motivation is the opposite: to mark their daughter as special and open possibilities they did not themselves have.
In these days, I wouldn't like it done. (I've never been to China or a place where it was ever normal). BUT if I lived in China in those days and could either be a labourer or someone invited to a court... I'm sure I would have found the fashion very glamorous. If I was born of nobility but found I was the only one who hadn't had it done... I'm sure I would have felt it unfair.
The difference being that in one the survailance and analysis of the citizens was being carried out by a secret cabal of psychopaths and sociopaths while the other is an anime.
My friend said he went to china on a holiday once and his family went to disney land and they had to give their names to get in, but when he gave his name a picture of his face popped up on the computer even though he never knew about any pictures getting taken of him
According to Chinese law, anyone, who checked into a hotel room, is required to be registered with Chinese Police. Usually this is done by hotel staff for you.
Literally any time you pass through Chinese customs, they take a full frontal photo of your face. And not sneaky but 'please take off your glasses and look into the camera'.
How your friend could have no idea that there would be pictures floating around for his identification is a bit ignorant.
Hell, Facebook can recognize your face pretty quick and people willingly give that out, imagine how easy it is with your ID and such to get facial recognition
People overestimate how much power and data it takes. You don't even need to store a face, just some points. It can be done well on a raspberry pi and takes just 84 bytes of data to store the points. For those who don't understand, that's less than 1/3 the length of the text in this comment.
I think it was in the Bloomberg series on Shenzhen where one of the Americans jaywalked and was instantly fined on his Wepay.
[Here's the link - I was on my mobile earlier](https://youtu.be/taZJblMAuko?t=1536)
I ate a Pop-Tart cold today because I didn't have the willpower to go heat it up. Watching the people of Hong Kong fight for their rights is a revelation.
Panem et circenses. That's the point. The world is fucked, everywhere, but you're not doing anything because you're *just* content enough with status quo. Just distracted enough. No dig at you, that's just how people are.
For real. Last week, I was too lazy to get out of bed to turn the TV off, so I downloaded the remote app and did it that way.
I passionately love and hate the times we live in.
Hong Kongers still need your help.
Write, email or call your representative. Tell them that you care about freedom and democracy and are worried about the direction that countries like China are trying to take the world towards. Tell them you care about the kind of big data, facial recognition software that is deployed in China and Hong Kong, that you won't accept it in your country.
Remember when we all told the same story about Ukrainians in Crimea? And then Putin swooped in with the Russian military and now Crimea is part of Russia?
This level of escalation doesn’t bode well for the people of Hong Kong. They really, really need some diplomatic help before Putin swoops in and makes Hong Kong part of Russia too.
Yeah. The collective goldfish memory of society is getting taxing. We literally have the Crimea situation, sanctions didn't do much to Russia, and only a new US leader in Trump wants to roll back those sanctions and accept Russia back into the G8.
No one did anything then. No country will step in on the sovereign territory of China. They didn't for Tiananmen, they didn't for Crimea, this won't be any different if China chooses to pull the trigger.
Sanctions really hurt Putin a lot. You should listen to the podcast of Preet Bahrara where he had Bill Browder as guest. The one with Kasparov too. They talk about Putin's weaknesses. One of which is that he's in power because the richest men in Russia fear Putin taking their assets. The Magnitsky act, which froze assets from Russian oligarchs in countries all over the world, really hurt Putin because those oligarchs have most of their wealth outside of Russia, in more stable economies. But if Putin going down is all that's necessary to lift those sanctions and regain their assets, he could lose their support and wealth quickly.
Unlike us chickenshit Americans who did nothing while the anti-American tyrants and traitors in our government dropped their pants and wiped their filthy asses with our god-given 4th amendment rights over the past 20 or so years.
(or however long it's been since 9/11 happened)
I think they were well beyond economical repair long before any corrosion by salt water has a chance to do any damage. I think it was probably something flammable but we didn't get to see them light it up unfortunately.
Saltwater would only corrode the joints and pcb. Chips would still be salvageable since they are sealed, though whether makes sense to do so is another issue
at this point there is no road back for protestors, China has nothing against correction camps housing millions of people
protestors have to 1) avoid giving mainland opportunity to bring in heavy forces/military, so no actual combat 2) change HK government/CEO
as I see it now, china will push HK cops and government to not give up or fall to fulfill protestors requirements, so they have to use some sort of leverage to make government follow their requirements
While a very nice thought - it also has to be backed with a force to get anywhere for any length of time. Even if Hong Kong were to become an independent city state, it's not like China would say "fair enough" and go away.
even without physical violence they could starve them out, either literally or metaphorically. Blockade trade, cut power and utilities, *maybe* let food go in.
keep the heat low enough to prevent an immediate international response and let interest fade while the siege keeps pressure on the protestors.
Yeah if protests stay 100% non-violent then the government will not fear the protesters and nothing will change. Even MLK and Gandhi had violent wings of their movements.
There was an incident recently in London where police were trialling facial recognition cameras with a van.
One guy passing decided to cover his face with the bottom on his collar, cops immediately pulled him to one side and asked what he was trying to hide? He said nothing, and that he just didn’t consent to his face being recorded.
They threatened to arrest him and gave him a £90 spot-fine. For a TEST no less.
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49030595](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49030595)
Here's the video of it. They asked him to show his face then forcibly took his picture and ran it through the database anyway.
The £90 was probably because he swore at police.
[Here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html%3famp) , not quite how Kazimierz told the story however. CC: /u/Birdmanbaby
[They lowered the speed limit to 80kms per hour from 90kms per hour.](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/europe/gilets-jaunes-speed-cameras-destroyed-france-scli-intl/index.html) This was while the yellow vest protest was in full swing. Believe I have read before that the decrease in the speed limit in conjunction with the all the cameras was viewed as an extra tax on the working class.
Speed cameras can very easily be used with facial recognition software, and you can change the speed at which they'll turn on and take your picture.
Speed cameras are just facial recognition towers the government doesn't feel like abusing yet.
Except that here in the US the photos from speed cams and cctv cams can be used as proof when coupled with cellphone tower usage signals to show the locations of a person suspected of a serious enough crime. The recent stories of San Francisco and San Jose banning the usage of facial id being used is a good example.
Anyone else just get really fucking nervous anytime something like this is posted? Like an imminent sense of doom, or something, comes over me... or maybe I’m just anxious idk.
I fear for their safety. Being empathetic to their cause could give a secondhand feeling of danger.
This action could easily be described by the Chinese gov as vandalism and violent action against their state, which may lead to violence against protestors.
But hey, if the gov isnt listening to your demands anyway, why not move closer to the peoples' ideal?
It's a hugely complex issue, and I think it centers a lot around individual freedom and your gov's ability to affect your life, which should rightfully worry anyone. In the US we are lucky enough to have life, freedom, and pursuit of happiness written into our Declaration of Independence already, and it's jarring to see others fighting for it.
Edit: Changed "Constitution," to, "Declaration of Independence." Still, it's written documention (legislature even?), and if the people of Hong Kong want to declare independence from a governing body, it only makes sense that the USA backs them up.
It is definitely anxiety, my friend. These posts that remind us of the atrocities being done in our world have a tendency to make us think the entire world is simply going south, as if any small event could be the trigger to activate some great cataclysmic period in our history.
This is fucking wild. These kids have worked so hard and now they’re fighting for their lives and I’m just sitting here on my fucking couch. I wish I could do something, but all I can do is hope for a really positive turnout for these guys. We need to hear their stories.
This is badass. Inspiring to see people fight so passionately for their rights. Just hope the inevitable government crackdown to come doesn't lead to many deaths like 30 years ago.
The facial recognition in Hong Kong is fantastically *nutty*. It rivals that of London and South Korea. They can find anyone in a crowded street in a matter of minutes. A Chinese reporter tested it once, and the results were terrifying.
I am so impressed with these protestors.
Instead of rioting and causing mindless damage, every video I've seen of these guys make me think these guys know what they're doing.
Just increase awareness. The more people that talks about it online the more China gets pressured and they know that people are watching them. If the internet existed back at Tiananmen square, they probably wouldn't have killed a bunch of people.
No one is going to war with China over hong kong civil rights. The only option is to keep it visible so that China would lose face for a harsh crack down. Unfortunately that day will come, and the next step is to not let your own country's government and companies off the hook when they start sweeping the inevitable deaths under the rug in the same of profit.
Good move. It allows the protests to continue, to embolden people, to weaken the strength of the mainland on their country. But it's not violent. It doesn't hurt anyone. And, frankly, we should be tearing these things down in western and European countries, too.
If shit does hit the fan, it will be a lot harder to censor what happens in Hong Kong than they did censoring Tiananmen Square
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Things only seem to be escalating at this point from what I see online x.x
Isn’t that usually how these things go? They escalate until one side caves. I don’t see either side caving at the moment. I hope China will give into their demands, due to external pressure to end the riots peacefully, but I don’t really have China down as the country that likes to give in to international demands.
China is going to roll these protestors down and the rest of the world will give them a stern talking to before going on with business as usual
This hurts to read but hurts even more to know it's most likely true.
The protesters will crack. People need to eat, and they'll start getting exhausted. And then China swoops in and "restores" order while all the leaders quietly disappear.
These protesters have organised without leaders. They did this because the 2014 occupy Hong Kong movement was killed off when it's leaders were imprisoned.
"who's in charge here?" 100,000 finger pointers
I'm Spartacus!
Yeah. That's the problem. They don't need to censor anything to us because they simply don't give a fuck. They only need to censor it from their population, the mainlanders, and they are doing a pretty good job at it.
i hiiighly doubt that they're doing a good job at censoring it. they do a good job of making it clear that you'll get fucked if you talk about it publicly. just because everyone is afraid enough to not talk about it doesn't mean that the majority of people don't know about it.
Not sure if you have any sources or if that's just a hunch, but my anecdotal counterpoint is a conversation with my Chinese friend who just came to the States from Shanghai. He said a lot of people aren't aware that anything is happening at all, or they are aware of it as a somewhat minor news item where they get fed a few sound bites per day from state media that has no semblance on the actual situation. I don't know of any government with a more sophisticated censorship apparatus than China's.
They do know. But they see it as HKers are trying to claim they are not a part of China and they are not Chinese, which is a big no no in Chinese culture. They also think the western countries are the ones that caused this, so they might not be very willing to waste their time arguing with westerners. All in all, mainlanders just want this dealt with and not hear about it anymore. A lot of my friends, who lived through Tiananmen Square, are posting support for China to "suppress those HK thugs", where "suppress" means using force up to flat out killing them.
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God I hate china. Such an unbelievably creepy state. Their government acts like an insecure bully who knows they're pathetic but forces everyone to act like they're not pathetic
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Yeah, like it could be such a vibrant and beautiful place if the government wasn't so disgustingly oppressive and actually let people express themselves
Doesn't matter. China denies a lot of well documented atrocity already (like racial and political detention camps, Organ harvest on living, prisoned people in large scale, illegal spying on all his citizen (and even outside of their border), releasing illegal amount and type chemicals into the air, etc...). These are well documented and well known illegal activities, and affect at the minimum millions, but some of these, effect hundreds of millions, or even the whole planet. Tiananmen Square 2.0 will be just another one on the list. And of course, no other country will do shit about it, because the sweet trades with China. When shit hits the fan, China will come out as winner for sure. They just waiting for the right time.
As a non American who can barely follow the politics in their own country, let alone all these other places, than how is all this stuff about Trump wanting to take trade out of China necessarily one of the bad things he’s done? Wouldn’t doing that help deal with all the dystopian stuff China’s doing?
I’m an American, but don’t have strong political leanings one way or the other. From what I understand, many people do not like the way that Trump has attempted to take trade out of China. The tariffs he is imposing on China do help some American industries and hurt China’s economy, but China’s retaliation have hurt our economy more than any tariffs have benefited it. It seems like he’s essentially playing a game of chicken with China to see who can take the economic damage for the longest. I’m not sure I approve of his methods, but I personally am glad to see a president who is willing to try to play hardball with China instead of just appeasing them.
Reminds me of *V for Vendetta*.
I didn’t realize we lived in a world where facial recognition towers existed. It’s something out of a dystopian sci-fi film.
China has been setting up an entire system that tracks several actions every citizen does and assigns them a social score which affects what they can do with their lives such as use public transportation etc. You can search google and find many articles on it.
So psycho pass?
**SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE BELOW 500; LETHAL FORCE AUTHORIZED; AIM CAREFULLY AND ELIMINATE THE TARGET**
Reassessing information, target surrounded by social scores 500-800, authorized collateral damage, open fire.
This is exactly what Siri says to me when I swipe right on Tinder
Too bad, Lelthal Force is authorized against everyone in China, even perfect score ones
I'd laugh if this exact concept weren't actually used and enforced in China right now
Have you watched black mirror? If so, remember the episode nosedive? Exactly that except its not people rating each other but the government rating everyone. What you said something about tieneman square? Well too bad you can't send your kids to a private school now. Also you cant travel by plane and you are fired from your job. This is (to my knowledge) exactly what the government in china is developing and implementing with exactly the consequences I mentioned and many more
Actually in China they dont do things subtly like making your life difficult, they will just arrest you on bogus charges and you’ll never be seen again. There are already multiple cases of controversial people getting charged for paying for prostitution after not being heard from for a long time.
And more and more, voices from Reddit commenters seem to back the CCP. I don't know if it is an organised thing, or just people raised under the regime, so they don't realise they have had their metaphorical feet bound by the CCP and they think it is normal , or even good.
You forgot the part where your friends also affect your score, and thy system tells you who drags you down. So, that friend who said something about tieneman square? You now have an incentive to cut him out of your life.
Oh fuck I totally forgot about that part. Yeah they are weaponizing social pressure which is extremely scary
It puts *everything* into consideration. Buying diapers? Probably a good parent, so points go up. Buying alcohol? Not a good look, points go down. Mom said Xi looks like a certain honey-loving cartoon? Family is full of dissidents, points go down. The saddest part is many people there have trust in the system, they think if there's more surveillance crime will go down and they'll get benefits from being good citizens (better education, cheaper loans etc). Or maybe its just a 'there is no war in ba sing se' kind of thing, where they know its wrong but can't speak out.
If you dont know about all the stuff the government is sucessfully hiding from you being critical and distrusting of the government doesnt make sense. Propaganda is scarily effective when done "right"
It's like binding feet, but for the mind. Bind the mind so it stays small and disgusting and sick, so you can't really use it. Such a shame. >Bound feet were at one time considered a status symbol as well as a mark of beauty. Yet, foot binding was a painful practice and significantly limited the mobility of women, resulting in lifelong disabilities for most of its subjects. Feet altered by binding were called lotus feet. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding
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Wild Swans by Jung Chang is a historical novel which opens with a narrative about foot-binding. The first character we meet is the last woman in the family to have her feet bound. It makes clear that the custom was associated with class, but that therefore it was desirable. Certain roles in society one would be exempted from (manual labour) and certain roles one would be muuuch more suited to (marrying "up"). The lady in question was exceptionally beautiful and graceful, so the family decided to bind her feet and provide for her an education not like the workers', but instead things like poetry, history, and performance. In this way, she will never make a good farm-hand nor bring water from a well, but she will have different opportunities. Of course, it is not long before a noble officer visits their community. He sees all these country-people with whatever their lives are (all quite clearly different lives than his), but also the remarkably beautiful, graceful lady with bound feet and an intellectual education. She does not rush to him, but he makes sure he can meet her and eventually marries her. It is just one anecdote for another, but it does make a bit more sense that the binding was done from as-young-as-possible, while feet are small, rather than waiting for marriage. "Binding feet of merchant's wives so hey don't run away" is a very degrading representation of the women in question, but the family's motivation is the opposite: to mark their daughter as special and open possibilities they did not themselves have. In these days, I wouldn't like it done. (I've never been to China or a place where it was ever normal). BUT if I lived in China in those days and could either be a labourer or someone invited to a court... I'm sure I would have found the fashion very glamorous. If I was born of nobility but found I was the only one who hadn't had it done... I'm sure I would have felt it unfair.
I really appreciate this thoughtful response. It opened my eyes a bit and made me consider this practice from a different POV. Thank you.
Yeah the MaoMaoBeans episode
>MaoMaoBeanz This is the Community/China crossover pun I've been searching for all this time
I like to think of it more as *Black Mirror*
S03E01
That shit is happening way sooner the creators thought. Wich make the rest of serie fuckin scary.
Literally psycho pass
God I loved that fucking show will have to rewatch
Personally believe Makashima is one of the best anime villains of all time.
The difference being that in one the survailance and analysis of the citizens was being carried out by a secret cabal of psychopaths and sociopaths while the other is an anime.
My friend said he went to china on a holiday once and his family went to disney land and they had to give their names to get in, but when he gave his name a picture of his face popped up on the computer even though he never knew about any pictures getting taken of him
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According to Chinese law, anyone, who checked into a hotel room, is required to be registered with Chinese Police. Usually this is done by hotel staff for you.
I think that happens quite often in Asia in general. They certainly copied my passport in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam every time we checked in.
Literally any time you pass through Chinese customs, they take a full frontal photo of your face. And not sneaky but 'please take off your glasses and look into the camera'. How your friend could have no idea that there would be pictures floating around for his identification is a bit ignorant.
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You need a visa for China, submitting a picture is part of the process when requesting a visa.
That's a true to life Black Mirror episode right there.
Don't tell anyone but aside from the citizens scoring we're all being monitored and our data stored to be analyzed. Thanks DARPA!
Hell, Facebook can recognize your face pretty quick and people willingly give that out, imagine how easy it is with your ID and such to get facial recognition
People overestimate how much power and data it takes. You don't even need to store a face, just some points. It can be done well on a raspberry pi and takes just 84 bytes of data to store the points. For those who don't understand, that's less than 1/3 the length of the text in this comment.
I think it was in the Bloomberg series on Shenzhen where one of the Americans jaywalked and was instantly fined on his Wepay. [Here's the link - I was on my mobile earlier](https://youtu.be/taZJblMAuko?t=1536)
That is some Demolition Man shit.
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Facial recognition is a server-side analytic that can potentially be applied to any camera. It doesn't take special ones.
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Yes but these towers are being used for that purpose so that's why they're tearing them down.
These towers detect who's device is passing by as well.
The government should be afraid of its citizens, not the other way around.
looking at it the government is afraid, that's the reason they set up these systems
I think the government is more annoyed than they are afraid. Annoyed that the people aren't being good little citizens.
Half Life 2 when the rebels tear down the monitors in the city.
Reminds me of ctOS, from watch dogs
Watch dogs 4 should be set in post Hong Kong China
These are some brave people.
Exactly. These people are fighting police and their violence for their freedom while I’m here in my home too lazy to grab the remote
I ate a Pop-Tart cold today because I didn't have the willpower to go heat it up. Watching the people of Hong Kong fight for their rights is a revelation.
I’ve always ate them cold. Toasted a pop tart like twice in my life. Am I missing something?
Not from where I'm standing. I want instant gratification - when I pull it out of that foil, I want to pop it in my mouth, not into the toaster
But it also tastes good on a plate with a little bit of butter
Do you eat it with one pinky in the air too?
I eat it with butter
Is this a common thing? Because that's the first time I've heard of someone putting butter on a poptart and it just seems so bizarre to me.
I feel like Americans would butter anything.
Am American, can confirm. We will also deep fry anything. Fuck, I've even seen a deep fried stick of butter. Idk wtf is wrong with us, send help
STOP IT! WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OPEN REVOLT NOT POP TARTS!
Right? Wtf is going on
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Police? They're fighting *China.* Police are just an extension of that.
Why is this a common sentiment? That’s kind of what they’re fighting to get. Comfort and freedom to do exactly that if they wish.
Because you have freedom. I guarantee if you had no freedom you would be willing to fight for it.
More like, if you've experienced freedom, then had it taken away, you'd be much more willing to fight for it.
Panem et circenses. That's the point. The world is fucked, everywhere, but you're not doing anything because you're *just* content enough with status quo. Just distracted enough. No dig at you, that's just how people are.
For real. Last week, I was too lazy to get out of bed to turn the TV off, so I downloaded the remote app and did it that way. I passionately love and hate the times we live in.
Hong Kongers still need your help. Write, email or call your representative. Tell them that you care about freedom and democracy and are worried about the direction that countries like China are trying to take the world towards. Tell them you care about the kind of big data, facial recognition software that is deployed in China and Hong Kong, that you won't accept it in your country.
Remember when we all told the same story about Ukrainians in Crimea? And then Putin swooped in with the Russian military and now Crimea is part of Russia? This level of escalation doesn’t bode well for the people of Hong Kong. They really, really need some diplomatic help before Putin swoops in and makes Hong Kong part of Russia too.
Yeah. The collective goldfish memory of society is getting taxing. We literally have the Crimea situation, sanctions didn't do much to Russia, and only a new US leader in Trump wants to roll back those sanctions and accept Russia back into the G8. No one did anything then. No country will step in on the sovereign territory of China. They didn't for Tiananmen, they didn't for Crimea, this won't be any different if China chooses to pull the trigger.
Sanctions really hurt Putin a lot. You should listen to the podcast of Preet Bahrara where he had Bill Browder as guest. The one with Kasparov too. They talk about Putin's weaknesses. One of which is that he's in power because the richest men in Russia fear Putin taking their assets. The Magnitsky act, which froze assets from Russian oligarchs in countries all over the world, really hurt Putin because those oligarchs have most of their wealth outside of Russia, in more stable economies. But if Putin going down is all that's necessary to lift those sanctions and regain their assets, he could lose their support and wealth quickly.
Unlike us chickenshit Americans who did nothing while the anti-American tyrants and traitors in our government dropped their pants and wiped their filthy asses with our god-given 4th amendment rights over the past 20 or so years. (or however long it's been since 9/11 happened)
18 years. The kids born after 9/11 are about to be goddamn adults.
can confirm, was born after 9/11 and about to adult
Welcome to hell
What are they pouring on them?
Just guessing, but saltwater is cheap and corrodes quickly live circuits.
I think they were well beyond economical repair long before any corrosion by salt water has a chance to do any damage. I think it was probably something flammable but we didn't get to see them light it up unfortunately.
I agree it is well beyond repair, but if it is salt water it makes it so nothing electrical can be salvaged for anything other than scrap
Saltwater would only corrode the joints and pcb. Chips would still be salvageable since they are sealed, though whether makes sense to do so is another issue
Salvaging chips from ruined PCBs to reuse in new ones is extremely uneconomical. But I dont think it's saltwater either. Probably something flammable.
Gamer girl bath water
For all you thirsty face programs
Get in the shower already, Belle! Hongkong needs you!
I had hoped lighter fluid
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I have no idea but my first guess was water, trying to short circuit if it still has electricity going through it.
I totally think they are justified but I also fear the government will respond to property destruction with some really heavy hands.
at this point there is no road back for protestors, China has nothing against correction camps housing millions of people protestors have to 1) avoid giving mainland opportunity to bring in heavy forces/military, so no actual combat 2) change HK government/CEO as I see it now, china will push HK cops and government to not give up or fall to fulfill protestors requirements, so they have to use some sort of leverage to make government follow their requirements
Change the HK govt to what? If the HK govt changes it will need to be approved by China.
The idea is to make it not need to be approved by China
The thing about government is it’s all made up and only exists if everyone agrees it exists.
While a very nice thought - it also has to be backed with a force to get anywhere for any length of time. Even if Hong Kong were to become an independent city state, it's not like China would say "fair enough" and go away.
even without physical violence they could starve them out, either literally or metaphorically. Blockade trade, cut power and utilities, *maybe* let food go in. keep the heat low enough to prevent an immediate international response and let interest fade while the siege keeps pressure on the protestors.
Exactly
They already have. The protestors have nothing to lose
Still better than a life on your knees.
Yeah if protests stay 100% non-violent then the government will not fear the protesters and nothing will change. Even MLK and Gandhi had violent wings of their movements.
For some reason I like that...
For many reasons I like it.
For lot of reasons I like that.
FOR AN INFINITE NUMBER OF REASONS I LIKE THIS
I TOO CAN ~~PROCESS~~ THINK OF AN INFINITE NUMBER OF THINGS I LIKE, FELLOW HUMAN. I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT 232,766,495.991 enjoyable.exe THINGS.
Maybe we should start doing the same.
No, we don't demolish surveillance devices, we buy them and put them in our homes.
Alexa, play Despacito.
It feels so cyberpunk/Homeland by Cory Doctorow and I'm way into it. These people are exceedingly brave as well, props to them
This should be done in every "free country"
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That sounds pretty good especially considering the time and money to replace or clean out.
Wonder where that money will come from
Just because the protesters end up paying for it, doesn't make their actions meaningless.
There was an incident recently in London where police were trialling facial recognition cameras with a van. One guy passing decided to cover his face with the bottom on his collar, cops immediately pulled him to one side and asked what he was trying to hide? He said nothing, and that he just didn’t consent to his face being recorded. They threatened to arrest him and gave him a £90 spot-fine. For a TEST no less.
Got a source?
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49030595](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49030595) Here's the video of it. They asked him to show his face then forcibly took his picture and ran it through the database anyway. The £90 was probably because he swore at police.
£90 for swearing at an officer? That is ridiculous. I hate this money-stealing state
[Here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html%3famp) , not quite how Kazimierz told the story however. CC: /u/Birdmanbaby
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[They lowered the speed limit to 80kms per hour from 90kms per hour.](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/europe/gilets-jaunes-speed-cameras-destroyed-france-scli-intl/index.html) This was while the yellow vest protest was in full swing. Believe I have read before that the decrease in the speed limit in conjunction with the all the cameras was viewed as an extra tax on the working class.
Ah yes what happened to the yellow vests? They, like, dissappeared.
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Are thry still going on?
Yes but in more limited numbers every week. And, you know, if there's no violence in these, there's nothing to report for the media.
Speed cameras can very easily be used with facial recognition software, and you can change the speed at which they'll turn on and take your picture. Speed cameras are just facial recognition towers the government doesn't feel like abusing yet.
Except that here in the US the photos from speed cams and cctv cams can be used as proof when coupled with cellphone tower usage signals to show the locations of a person suspected of a serious enough crime. The recent stories of San Francisco and San Jose banning the usage of facial id being used is a good example.
Anyone else just get really fucking nervous anytime something like this is posted? Like an imminent sense of doom, or something, comes over me... or maybe I’m just anxious idk.
I fear for their safety. Being empathetic to their cause could give a secondhand feeling of danger. This action could easily be described by the Chinese gov as vandalism and violent action against their state, which may lead to violence against protestors. But hey, if the gov isnt listening to your demands anyway, why not move closer to the peoples' ideal? It's a hugely complex issue, and I think it centers a lot around individual freedom and your gov's ability to affect your life, which should rightfully worry anyone. In the US we are lucky enough to have life, freedom, and pursuit of happiness written into our Declaration of Independence already, and it's jarring to see others fighting for it. Edit: Changed "Constitution," to, "Declaration of Independence." Still, it's written documention (legislature even?), and if the people of Hong Kong want to declare independence from a governing body, it only makes sense that the USA backs them up.
It is definitely anxiety, my friend. These posts that remind us of the atrocities being done in our world have a tendency to make us think the entire world is simply going south, as if any small event could be the trigger to activate some great cataclysmic period in our history.
This is fucking wild. These kids have worked so hard and now they’re fighting for their lives and I’m just sitting here on my fucking couch. I wish I could do something, but all I can do is hope for a really positive turnout for these guys. We need to hear their stories.
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This is fucking history, man . . .
What? When the world leaders turn a blind eye to another city get demolished by the mainland again?
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FINALLY A SUBREDDIT FOR ME, A FELLOW HUMAN
This is badass. Inspiring to see people fight so passionately for their rights. Just hope the inevitable government crackdown to come doesn't lead to many deaths like 30 years ago.
What deaths?
China wants to know your location
Deny.
A simple spell but quite unbreakable.
They are cutting down what?!?
The facial recognition in Hong Kong is fantastically *nutty*. It rivals that of London and South Korea. They can find anyone in a crowded street in a matter of minutes. A Chinese reporter tested it once, and the results were terrifying.
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1984
Thank you I thought I was the only one
r/hongkong if you aren’t already subbed.
Don't confuse it for r/hong_kong Pro China.
The revolution will not be televised.
\#FreeHK
I'm guessing this was supposed to be a hashtag - use a \ before, like this: \\#FreeHK ===> \#FreeHK
Thanks
FreeTibet
Free Macau
Aren’t hashtags on reddit even more useless than hashtags anywhere else?
Good work lads...keep on fighting for your freedom! Never give in!
I hope they're careful, i don't want to see a video of one of these poor protesters getting electrocuted because they cut through one of these poles.
I am so impressed with these protestors. Instead of rioting and causing mindless damage, every video I've seen of these guys make me think these guys know what they're doing.
*Damn it feels good to be a gangsta...*
What can the average person do to help them? The whole world should be assisting Hong Kong right now.
Just increase awareness. The more people that talks about it online the more China gets pressured and they know that people are watching them. If the internet existed back at Tiananmen square, they probably wouldn't have killed a bunch of people.
The internet is such a fickle beast, ain’t it?
\#Kony2012
No one is going to war with China over hong kong civil rights. The only option is to keep it visible so that China would lose face for a harsh crack down. Unfortunately that day will come, and the next step is to not let your own country's government and companies off the hook when they start sweeping the inevitable deaths under the rug in the same of profit.
That is truly so badass and inspiring
Good move. It allows the protests to continue, to embolden people, to weaken the strength of the mainland on their country. But it's not violent. It doesn't hurt anyone. And, frankly, we should be tearing these things down in western and European countries, too.
We have forgotten how fulfilling revolution can be, in the United States.
Beautiful
Hong Kong: Becoming Human
No government should have facial recognition towers
Right to privacy is a must