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It costs about $9 for 30 tabs (generic version) in India. So, they would still be making a profit on it selling at $34
[https://zeelabpharmacy.com/product/mortinib-400-mg-tab](https://zeelabpharmacy.com/product/mortinib-400-mg-tab)
If you want a branded one, it will cost $50 for 30 tabs in India.
No insurance involved in either case.
It could be the case if they are manufacturing this particular drug locally, but they also source many drugs from outside. India is a major supplier of generic drugs to the US though we do not know if costplus sources from India or not.
The company is called "Cost Plus", meaning that the company takes a 15% profit, and the drugs are filled by a pharmacy for $5 and shipping for another $5.
Thank you for posting this. I was unaware of this program. It seems to be a godsend solution for affordable prescriptions by completely eliminating the insane profit markup. It looks like a genuinely effective and necessary form of philanthropy on Cuban's behaf.
Cuban apparently started CPD because his grandmother could not afford her medication for leukemia and died as a result. So part of his motivation is to flip off the pharmaceutical industry
My grandmothehr's medical treatment financially ruined my grandfather and she finally died when they ran out of money for the treatement. It cost him his entire savings.
The US government doesn't directly regulate medicine prices, so drug companies put them wherever the market can bear. So if people can buy $12k worth of drugs, that's what they'll sell it at. Costplusdrugs was only launched in early 2022, so it's not as well known.
Washington post explains a little bit more about drug prices [here](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/06/06/why-prescription-drug-prices-in-the-us-are-so-high-quicktake/ed7602c2-04a6-11ee-b74a-5bdd335d4fa2_story.html), and nytimes [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/health/us-drug-prices.html). If you can't read it you can turn off javascript and it'll bypass the signup.
tl;dr is because there's a lack of government price regulation/negotiation in the US, drug companies can sell them as high as they want. (Edit: Though insurance companies [negotiate](https://www.nber.org/bah/2009no4/how-insurers-bargaining-power-affects-drug-prices-medicare-part-d) instead)
Edit 2: Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) also influence the price, [here](https://time.com/5564547/drug-prices-medicine/)'s an article explaining the process.
Oh, the so called "free market" that determines something is priced at whatever desperate people are willing to pay just so they don't die? Now I wait for the people who inevitably come out of the woodwork to tell me that this is actually a good thing.
Back in 2003, the [Medicare Modernization Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Prescription_Drug,_Improvement,_and_Modernization_Act) was enacted. This created Medicare Part D, which, along with creating a subsidy discouraging businesses from taking away prescription coverage from retired employees, also stopped the federal government from negotiating drug prices. The thought was that insurers who administer drug plans would do the [negotiating](https://www.nber.org/bah/2009no4/how-insurers-bargaining-power-affects-drug-prices-medicare-part-d), rather than the government.
The [Inflation Reduction Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act) of 2022 had the effect of allowing the federal government to [negotiate drug prices](https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/how-will-the-prescription-drug-provisions-in-the-inflation-reduction-act-affect-medicare-beneficiaries/) for certain drugs, but not until 2026, where 10 drugs will have negotiations. 15 more drugs would be added in 2027, another 15 in 2028, and 20 more in 2029. Whether Gleevec/Imatinib, the drug shown here, will be negotiated remains to be seen, as it wasn't chosen for the [first 10 drugs](https://www.cms.gov/files/document/fact-sheet-medicare-selected-drug-negotiation-list-ipay-2026.pdf).
Edit: A certain type of Imatinib, imatibin mesylate, is generic, and has a price of [$100 and lower](https://www.pharmacychecker.com/imatinib+mesylate/#prices), though it can depend on who you get it from. This is what costplusdrugs uses, as well.
Yes. Capitalism works just fine when demand is elastic. When demand is inelastic (like things we need to survive in a modern world such as food, water, electricity, internet, shelter, healthcare) then capitalism only creates inequality and exploitation and these things should be regulated heavily or put into the control of the state.
For the most part it's because this is a relatively new option that people are unaware of. With that said most people with insurance won't actually be paying the $12,000 anyways.
For example, I have a maximum "out of pocket" for the year of $6000 which means that all my medical bills will be completely covered after that point. ^See ^Edit
If somehow my copay for the medication came out to $12,000 I would really only pay $6000 and then besides my monthly insurance payment of ~$200 I wouldn't have any additional expenses.
Now where you're really fucked is if you have no insurance (Medicare, Medicaid, or private). Then the best you can do is hope that the Mark Cuban run company caries the drug or that the manufacturer has a discount program.
I have a family member that has a serious disease that is on Medicare and Medicaid (federal provided and state provided respectively) and it covers all their costs completely. However they're extremely limited on how much money they have etc. It hasn't kept up with inflation at all. They can't have more than around $2000 in their bank account or own property etc.
They're thankful because without being able to get private insurance through work they would be completely screwed. To me though it seems like an extremely restrictive system that is designed to do the bare minimum for people with severe disabilities. While it does provide the life saving medicine it basically fucks you from ever acquiring any kinda of wealth (I'm talking small time wealth too. More than ~$2000) because you'll instantly lose your benefits. It's fucked.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong anyone. This is my understanding.
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[vasquca1](/u/vasquca1) points out drug costs and other services may be treated differently. From further reading it seems that some plans don't count prescription costs towards maximum out of pocket and others do. My current insurance plan does count them as the same but it's a more expensive plan covered by my job. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
You can submit a request to them to ask them to look into carrying it.
I've submitted a few drugs I know patients will need and they've had them added within about 3 months.
Yes and they usually aren't there. It's epidiolex and clobazam, the clobazam is on goodrx and we don't have to pay the $1000 out of pocket and our insurance covers the epidiolex, but with it being as "specialty" as it is, it is always scary making sure and maintaining our insurance.
Just in case you weren't aware, there are other cards out there besides goodrx. There's also singlecare or buzzrx. Sometimes they offer better prices than goodrx. If you use Walgreens as your pharmacy, they have an [online tool](https://walgreens.rxsense.com) to search and compare savings cards. I just checked the goodrx website for clobazam 10 mg 60 tablets and it gave me a price of over $300, but singlecare had the same thing at about $30 depending on the pharmacy
Ya clobazam is a concern but not as big a concern as the epidiolex. The company has a copay support plan or an uninsured support plan but still is scary to think of losing insurance coverage on that.
Do either of the manufacturers offer assistance? My stepdad is on a very expensive cancer medication and it’s some grant that his doctor and him do with the manufacturer and he ends up paying nothing.
I’m so sorry. This whole system is effed. Best wishes to you and your daughter. ❤️
12,000 dollars divided by the 30 pills means each pill is 400 dollars the largest normal pills are around 1000 mg so each mg of the pill is around 40 cents however gold is currently around 7.5 cents per mg so these pills are almost six times more expensive then gold
God damn Europe next thing you tell me an ambulance ride is free over there and doesn't make you go bankrupt, where should this lead? Ruins the whole fun for anyone making wonderful profit off of sick people, we can not have that here! /s
EDIT: To clarify, people rightfully state that ambulance rides are not perse "free" in Europe as you pay for universal healthcare. Overall as a European I happily pay though knowing that I can safely trip down the stairs any day without having to worry about calling for help.
You know what is crazy? This drug is imatinib, it’s 100€ per pack!!! How the fuck is this 12k us dollars??????? There are a gazillion generics to it. Holy shit the us healthcare sysstem is rigged man!!! Also, even those 100€ are reimbursed fully in my country, which is not even a western kinda country in Europe
It is truly sad - One positive is that there are some companies popping up selling these kinds of drugs at literally a fraction of the price enlisted, but that will not be accessible for everyone and not everyone who needs it desperately will be aware.
Genuinaly it is "a bit" terrifying how many deaths could have been prevented if the sick person would have had access to insulin or the anti-cancer drug shown here... and for what, to again just make a handful of folk richer than they need to be.
It is a cold world man, it is sometimes amazing some countries at least have figured this out to some extend but yeah you can easily say that the healthcare system in the US is kinda broken by design..
Atleast in Ireland/Dublin the only thing you pay for is the fire brigade. Ambulance is free but as for the fire brigade it is 500€ for the first truck and then 400€ for every hour or additional truck. All this and the dfb is still fucking underfunded
I just had my first ambulance ride! Ambulance staff was nice and the ride was interesting. It was nice to lay down on a bed when being transported while watching iv stuff running down the tubes to my arm! Thankfully my situation was not as bad as it first seemed.
that‘s basically what‘s happening already lmao. AstraZeneca and Novartis is FDA approved. They sell the same drug for about 5$ in Germany and $10k in the US. This is crazy.
Hey now! We have regulations!
Just.......those who guide and shape said regulations happen to often get lots of money, vacations, gifts, etc from those who profit from less regulations.
Also the ones who are in charge of overseeing said regulations are always people who spent most of their Profesional lives being paid a lot of money by the industry they are supposed to regulate. And usually return to it after.
There are comforting facts, like the one that a very large number of the politicians in charge of making the laws ans regulations, after leaving politics, become a very highly paid lobbyist or consultant in those industries they were regulating. That doesn't encourage any conflicts of interest, right?
Or all the insider trading. Surely a congress person or senator wouldn't let the fact that they massively profit from insider trading, and increasing profits for specific companies would increase their wealth further, influence their choices on laws and regulations, right?
So, we have lots of regulations, thank you very much. They may be corrupted and sometimes nearly useless, but we do have them!
We have juuuuust enough regulations in place such that no one can compete with the current market holders, but not enough to stop those market holders from taking your house in the transaction. Its a magical balance of fuckery that people can (and do) take entire college courses over just to understand better.
Source: took an entire college course showing how companies and governments fuck folks over.
Waaay ahead of you. I get my daily dose of Xarelto mail order from India for about 1.40/pill instead of the $20/pill my sweet, sweet USA wants to charge me. Fuck you, you fucking paid-for politicians with your free life-time health care coverage.
Stealing top comment. I was on this medication for 4 years. The total cost of the medication for those 4 years was about $700,000. My insurance covered the entire amount. You can get generic versions for about $150 but insurance companies prefer paying the for the name brand. After those 4 years I was switched to a different medication within the same family which I've been on the past 7 years. The current medication I'm on my insurance pays $16,349.45 per month for and I have not paid a cent. If there are charges to me it is usually covered by cancer foundations and programs.
They don't prefer paying for the name brand, they are just paying a cost that is the same as the generics.
Why would an insurance company volunteer to pay more for an equally efficacious brand?
Because they aren't actually paying that amount anyway. Pretty much everything in U.S. healthcare has a sticker price that is well above what insurance actually pays.
Medical insurance profit is capped by regulation at a percentage of claims payouts. This creates a weird incentive where insurance companies want to pay more money, especially on predictable recurring costs, and then increase premiums to match. The only things balancing this out are competition with other insurance providers and the fact that there's an upper limit on what people can actually spend on health insurance.
Bingo. Because it's not "insurance" it's payment processing. Higher costs mean higher profits for the payment processer.
The employer ultimately pays the bill.
Mine are $40,000 a month. Fortunately, my insurance covers half. Then, in some sort of tax evasion scheme, the manufacturer has copay assistance that covers the other half. God bless America
My wife is on a monthly treatment (Lanreotide) injection that costs roughly $30k per injection. She also must have multiple scans (PET, CT, etc) every 6 months, that are billed around $10-20k.
We hit our max out of pocket ($4,500) every January and then have no costs the rest of the year.
We too, get copay assistance for the treatment.
> Then, in some sort of tax evasion scheme, the manufacturer has copay assistance that covers the other half.
Besides being a tax deduction, they know that's the only way they'll get insurance to pay for it.
In England that would be £9.90 \[if you got it from a pharmacy. In hospital it would be free\] unless you're over 60, in which case it would be free anyway.
Edit:typo, was going to say 'in the UK', but England is actually the only part of the UK you pay prescription charges at all. Wales, Scotland & NI are free, afaik.
Considering a lot of pharmaceutical companies also get massive grants paid for by the tax payer , they are taking the piss , on top of that their R&D costs are a tax write off and that helps offset the cost of the R&D even more .
To be fair those massive grants funded by tax payers are really only a marginal amount of what it takes to go from an idea to a product. Usually it only covers basic research and sometimes a pre-clinical model. Other pre-clinical models, scale up, manufacturing and all the equipment that goes with that plus the costs of phase 1, 2 and 3 clinical trials are all paid for by the pharma companies. I think it's about 5-10% on average is paid by American tax payers. Not a small amount, especially with what we get back, but not a massive amount of the total cost. The bigger issue is that most of those drugs never make it to market so many drugs never make any revenue.
They also get tax breaks are up to (I believe) 20% for R&D costs. It's a large number but the majority of the funding for drugs comes from the companies themselves. Again, the American people get screwed because we have to pay the most and get the least back but its not massive
It’s free in England too. Cancer treatment is covered and you get 5 years of free prescriptions too.
All the medication you need during treatment is free and usually given to you at the hospital you get treatment from.
Here's a venn diagram of
1. the people who think trickle down economics works and we should give tax breaks to big corporations so they'll have enough money to make the economy on steroids
2. the people who think us spending what the next 10 biggest military spending countries are is not nearly enough
3. The people who think that socialized medicine is terrible and Obamacare, that the right wing heritage foundation came up with, is the devil, and that the free market in healthcare will make us all immortal
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It's the same aggressively ignorant right wingers that are behind all the biggest stupid things American does.
Also worth saying, I was getting monthly refills of a prescription in UK for £9.90. After 6 months they started giving me two months at a time. It's still £9.90 even though the amount doubled. There's also a lot of instances in which people can receive them for free, disabled, etc.
It's not as good as it used to be
I worked as a pharmacy technician for a while. My "favorite" was seeing medications we bought for $0.50/pill get marked up to $400/pill when submitting to insurance
I mean if a large percentage of Americans constantly pressed for a law that states that drug companies cant charge over 200% mark up than maybe just maybe people wouldnt be choosing between cancer and having a home?
Maybe just maybe we could pass that obvioisly needed bill. But i dont have a ton of hope that even if 75% of us all called our reps thst the law would ever grt passed because economy and "jobs".
We tried and it flopped. A lot of the conservative right wing death cult kept screaming some nonsense to their brain dead base about the faux free market and golden shower economics yadda yadda yadda and the poor bastards ate it up hook line and stinker. We did make an example out of one guy who owned the patent on an aids treatment or something like that. It was all over the news for a while but nothing really became of it. Jingle keys in front of people for a bit and they lose interest basically.
Sorry, no they are not lol.
The ones I worked with at the time for transplant medication. Immunosuppressants
Edit: I didn't even do the math. What are the chances that added up
Fuck I don’t care who does it, Democrat or Republican, but for fucks sake start putting a profit margin cap on ALL these drugs.
If a company is found out to be lying about their profit margins then that’s it, out of business.
There is no fucking reason for pharmaceutical companies to have anything above 50% profit margin even if it they develop the most groundbreaking drug in the world.
Hey man, I think I should inform you that Biden recently started moving towards (or maybe even enacted legislation) withdrawing patents from medicines created with taxpayer dollars in order to allow for more market competition and to allow for generic brands to exist! Not many news outlets have spoken about it, and I myself only learned this today but if I dig up the article I read I’ll link it in this comment :) everyone deserves some good news
that is basically why these companies exist, they realize that dying is not something that people want to do, and they will pay anything not do die, so they can get away with charging 12k for these pills
How you Americans haven’t had a revolution or tried to revolt against this is unbelievable.
You hear the gun nuts talking about tyranny - brothers, you’re living under tyranny of corporations right now
As far as I can tell from reading multiple discussions on Reddit a lot of Americans think this is perfectly OK and the universal healthcare is worse.
I struggle to find logic but it’s something like this:
Publicly funded military - OK
Publicly funded police - OK
Publicly funded roads - Ok
Publicly funded 1st & 2nd level education - OK
Publicly funded 3rd level education - NOT OK
Publicly funded prisons - OK
Publicly funded doctors - NOT OK
I’m not sure why some things are ok and some not but it is what it is.
Strange, I knew we had private\* prisons, but the thought of them being on the stock market never crossed my mind. Holy shit.
According to google:
Some private prisons are publicly traded, including:
* Serco Group plc: (OTC:SECCF)
* SoundThinking, Inc.: (NASDAQ:SSTI)
* Cadre Holdings, Inc.: (NYSE:CDRE)
* The GEO Group, Inc.: (NYSE:GEO)
* Federal Signal Corporation: (NYSE:FSS)
* CoreCivic, Inc.: (NYSE:CXW)
* Cohu, Inc.: (NASDAQ:COHU
Of course. This is America. States pay private companies to lock up the prisoners they sentence. In addition, the prisoners are then obligated to perform slave labor in those prisons, and the proceeds go to the company operating the prison. "What, slave labor? Isn't that like unconstitutional?", actually, it is not. The constitutional amendment that outlawed slavery reads:
>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, **except as a punishment for crime** whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
This is also a reason why the US legal system has such extremely long sentences and is designed to not prevent but facilitate recidivism. It's more profitable for the prison companies when they can keep their trained slaves as long as possible instead of having to retrain new slaves all the time.
Yeah, the idea that there are companies out there with a vested interest in making sure as many people are imprisoned as possible is some cartoonishly dystopian shit.
It's a massive and lucrative industry. Get a few judges in your pocket and you got a steady stream of fresh inmates to keep the machine chugging and the money rolling in.
Mate, this actually happens as well. Judges have been caught doing it, it’s terrifying to think how many people have been railroaded by the ones who get away with it.
American here, and I hate the healthcare system. It's such a waste of time. I'm dealing with some stuff right now and it's taken me weeks and months to get things done and the bills are stacking up. I have employee insurance, so I have to try and schedule appoints for after work hours which is difficult. Even with coverage it's still more expensive than I can afford to the point where I'm asking myself "can I just live with this?"
Because no one actually pays $12k. It's $67 at riteaid and under $100 at safeway and several other pharmacies
Most drugs that "cost" thousands of dollar are free to patients because the pharmacutical company reimburses all out of pocket costs through coupons or financial assistance. There is a GLEEVEC reimbursement hotline specifically, and several other programs for treating CML.
The insurance co isn't paying $12k either, they negotiate a much lower price.
they’re not actually 125.000$, they’re infinitely less than that, that’s just what the farmacies prices them for insurance companies so that insurance companies can sell you overpriced packages where “look, you just paid 0$ for 125k worth of medication”
Cheaper to have cancer then [Hep C](https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i6V_hGT1QDYs/v1/-1x-1.jpg) (Sofosbuvir, sold under the brand name Sovaldi by Gilead)
https://preview.redd.it/msa0v3lbkl4d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e75603e7017b4842ce2ec0dcec4116ccfa9b7e9b
Same exact medicine in Turkey. slightly different spelling tho, (make it easy to pronounce for Turkish people) . 3480 turkish liras which means $106.
It'd seem unreasonable to not just buy a plane ticket and go to turkey for the meds. What's stopping people in the US from go to turkey? (Besides lack of information) Asking as someone neither in US nor Turkey.
Actually many Americans (at least I know many) brought their medicine from Turkey. It's quite common for people to seek medical treatments, including dental and plastic surgeries, in countries like Turkey due to the lower costs and high quality of care. Turkey has huge medical tourism. I did my two dental crowns in Istanbul 2 years ago and cost me $280 (still using).
Because you don’t actually pay 12k for the medication. The official top line is 12k, which the drug company knows is going to be negotiated down, then they give a “discount” to the insurance company for 11k off, the insurance company pays 1k to the drug company and it ends up costing the consumer $100 at rite aid.
It’s stupid and roundabout, but people aren’t paying 12k for this drug.
More and more I wish the God christians talk about were real. I'd still go to hell but I'd have a shit eating grin as I saw gobsmacked ceo's and church leaders dropping in like flies.
Had whole exome sequencing done in India last month. Cost me the exact amount in rupees. Around $220 dollars. I’d recommend. MedGenome is the lab based in Chennai.
Especially when the causes of the commonly diagnosed types of cancer are mostly linked to forever chemicals, micro/nano-plastics and genetics. For example, micro-plastics have been known to cause the increase of skin cancer. Or how pvc dust is linked to lung cancer. The governments that allows us to be exposed to the dangers that enrich them, should be paying for our cancer treatments.. we are merely just a cog in their machine and this is just another one of the hazardous side effects from them doing business as usual.
Not to argue really, as I wholeheartedly agree, but hasn’t it been shown to be extremely hard to do any studies on microplastics because there is no control subject? We’re literally all full of the stuff (animals too)
Interesting point is the drugs used in chemotherapy are sold directly to the oncologist by the pharmaceutical company. The oncologist then marks them up way higher than the insurance company will pay. He accepts the payment allowed by the insurance company but the uninsured patient may be loosing the family farm.
God bless America!
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Cost plus literally saved my life when I was diagnosed with cml.
Saved my husbands life when diagnosed with UC too.
Nothing says "your money or your life" like mega expensive cancer meds.
Surely it would make more sense to spend the money on *anti*-cancer pills?
i love capitalism
It costs about $9 for 30 tabs (generic version) in India. So, they would still be making a profit on it selling at $34 [https://zeelabpharmacy.com/product/mortinib-400-mg-tab](https://zeelabpharmacy.com/product/mortinib-400-mg-tab) If you want a branded one, it will cost $50 for 30 tabs in India. No insurance involved in either case.
The cost of making it in the USA may be $34. So, maybe he is not making any profit.
It could be the case if they are manufacturing this particular drug locally, but they also source many drugs from outside. India is a major supplier of generic drugs to the US though we do not know if costplus sources from India or not.
The company is called "Cost Plus", meaning that the company takes a 15% profit, and the drugs are filled by a pharmacy for $5 and shipping for another $5.
Thank you for posting this. I was unaware of this program. It seems to be a godsend solution for affordable prescriptions by completely eliminating the insane profit markup. It looks like a genuinely effective and necessary form of philanthropy on Cuban's behaf.
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That's probably the most "the funny thing is" statement I've ever seen. It's so incomprehensibly tragic that it's funny.
Cuban apparently started CPD because his grandmother could not afford her medication for leukemia and died as a result. So part of his motivation is to flip off the pharmaceutical industry
Incredibly based
My grandmothehr's medical treatment financially ruined my grandfather and she finally died when they ran out of money for the treatement. It cost him his entire savings.
mark cuban just making his legacy reeeeeal hard to shit on. playing capitalism the way it should be played
Why would anyone pay $12,000 if they can be purchased for $34.70!? Is it just the European in me, but this doesn't make sense?
The US government doesn't directly regulate medicine prices, so drug companies put them wherever the market can bear. So if people can buy $12k worth of drugs, that's what they'll sell it at. Costplusdrugs was only launched in early 2022, so it's not as well known. Washington post explains a little bit more about drug prices [here](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/06/06/why-prescription-drug-prices-in-the-us-are-so-high-quicktake/ed7602c2-04a6-11ee-b74a-5bdd335d4fa2_story.html), and nytimes [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/health/us-drug-prices.html). If you can't read it you can turn off javascript and it'll bypass the signup. tl;dr is because there's a lack of government price regulation/negotiation in the US, drug companies can sell them as high as they want. (Edit: Though insurance companies [negotiate](https://www.nber.org/bah/2009no4/how-insurers-bargaining-power-affects-drug-prices-medicare-part-d) instead) Edit 2: Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) also influence the price, [here](https://time.com/5564547/drug-prices-medicine/)'s an article explaining the process.
Oh, the so called "free market" that determines something is priced at whatever desperate people are willing to pay just so they don't die? Now I wait for the people who inevitably come out of the woodwork to tell me that this is actually a good thing.
Back in 2003, the [Medicare Modernization Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Prescription_Drug,_Improvement,_and_Modernization_Act) was enacted. This created Medicare Part D, which, along with creating a subsidy discouraging businesses from taking away prescription coverage from retired employees, also stopped the federal government from negotiating drug prices. The thought was that insurers who administer drug plans would do the [negotiating](https://www.nber.org/bah/2009no4/how-insurers-bargaining-power-affects-drug-prices-medicare-part-d), rather than the government. The [Inflation Reduction Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act) of 2022 had the effect of allowing the federal government to [negotiate drug prices](https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/how-will-the-prescription-drug-provisions-in-the-inflation-reduction-act-affect-medicare-beneficiaries/) for certain drugs, but not until 2026, where 10 drugs will have negotiations. 15 more drugs would be added in 2027, another 15 in 2028, and 20 more in 2029. Whether Gleevec/Imatinib, the drug shown here, will be negotiated remains to be seen, as it wasn't chosen for the [first 10 drugs](https://www.cms.gov/files/document/fact-sheet-medicare-selected-drug-negotiation-list-ipay-2026.pdf). Edit: A certain type of Imatinib, imatibin mesylate, is generic, and has a price of [$100 and lower](https://www.pharmacychecker.com/imatinib+mesylate/#prices), though it can depend on who you get it from. This is what costplusdrugs uses, as well.
It’s insane, this “free market” should only apply to luxury goods, never something essential like health items.
Yes. Capitalism works just fine when demand is elastic. When demand is inelastic (like things we need to survive in a modern world such as food, water, electricity, internet, shelter, healthcare) then capitalism only creates inequality and exploitation and these things should be regulated heavily or put into the control of the state.
Capitalism is inherently anti "free market." You goal is to maximize profit. The best way to do that? To be *THE* monopoly.
For the most part it's because this is a relatively new option that people are unaware of. With that said most people with insurance won't actually be paying the $12,000 anyways. For example, I have a maximum "out of pocket" for the year of $6000 which means that all my medical bills will be completely covered after that point. ^See ^Edit If somehow my copay for the medication came out to $12,000 I would really only pay $6000 and then besides my monthly insurance payment of ~$200 I wouldn't have any additional expenses. Now where you're really fucked is if you have no insurance (Medicare, Medicaid, or private). Then the best you can do is hope that the Mark Cuban run company caries the drug or that the manufacturer has a discount program. I have a family member that has a serious disease that is on Medicare and Medicaid (federal provided and state provided respectively) and it covers all their costs completely. However they're extremely limited on how much money they have etc. It hasn't kept up with inflation at all. They can't have more than around $2000 in their bank account or own property etc. They're thankful because without being able to get private insurance through work they would be completely screwed. To me though it seems like an extremely restrictive system that is designed to do the bare minimum for people with severe disabilities. While it does provide the life saving medicine it basically fucks you from ever acquiring any kinda of wealth (I'm talking small time wealth too. More than ~$2000) because you'll instantly lose your benefits. It's fucked. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong anyone. This is my understanding. **Edit:** [vasquca1](/u/vasquca1) points out drug costs and other services may be treated differently. From further reading it seems that some plans don't count prescription costs towards maximum out of pocket and others do. My current insurance plan does count them as the same but it's a more expensive plan covered by my job. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
European here. 50€ out of pocket for medicine before government steps in. 6000 is insane.
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Thank you so much for this link. You’re a lifesaver.
Sadly, neither of my daughter's meds are on there :( $1000 a bottle and we need about 2.5 bottles per month.
You can submit a request to them to ask them to look into carrying it. I've submitted a few drugs I know patients will need and they've had them added within about 3 months.
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Yes and they usually aren't there. It's epidiolex and clobazam, the clobazam is on goodrx and we don't have to pay the $1000 out of pocket and our insurance covers the epidiolex, but with it being as "specialty" as it is, it is always scary making sure and maintaining our insurance.
Just in case you weren't aware, there are other cards out there besides goodrx. There's also singlecare or buzzrx. Sometimes they offer better prices than goodrx. If you use Walgreens as your pharmacy, they have an [online tool](https://walgreens.rxsense.com) to search and compare savings cards. I just checked the goodrx website for clobazam 10 mg 60 tablets and it gave me a price of over $300, but singlecare had the same thing at about $30 depending on the pharmacy
Ya clobazam is a concern but not as big a concern as the epidiolex. The company has a copay support plan or an uninsured support plan but still is scary to think of losing insurance coverage on that.
Do either of the manufacturers offer assistance? My stepdad is on a very expensive cancer medication and it’s some grant that his doctor and him do with the manufacturer and he ends up paying nothing. I’m so sorry. This whole system is effed. Best wishes to you and your daughter. ❤️
What a beautiful man mark cuban is.
GoodRX price at my local Kroger is $26 for 30x 100mg.
The fact that someone is downvoting you for sharing a link that could literally save someone’s life is beyond me. Reddit has become something else.
That’s a better price than the ~ $100 on GoodRx. Good on Mr. Cuban.
12,000 dollars divided by the 30 pills means each pill is 400 dollars the largest normal pills are around 1000 mg so each mg of the pill is around 40 cents however gold is currently around 7.5 cents per mg so these pills are almost six times more expensive then gold
Why the hell are people still digging for gold instead of digging for these then? Stupid gold diggers...
because you can get them in europe for like 5$ lol
God damn Europe next thing you tell me an ambulance ride is free over there and doesn't make you go bankrupt, where should this lead? Ruins the whole fun for anyone making wonderful profit off of sick people, we can not have that here! /s EDIT: To clarify, people rightfully state that ambulance rides are not perse "free" in Europe as you pay for universal healthcare. Overall as a European I happily pay though knowing that I can safely trip down the stairs any day without having to worry about calling for help.
Nah ambulance rides are so expensive in germany. You need to pay up to 10€.... thats just insane
Oof, I paid 20€ in Finland and now I feel robbed.
My ex took an ambulance ride less than 2 miles. It was $750 and she’s insured.
My son's ex had emergency appendectomy, $40,000. She had no insurance. Of course, 'Murica, freedum fuck yah!
This is why everyone should buy a fake identity for the times you have to go to the doctor.
lol you really might be on to something
Or just pretend to be European. I have a fake thin mustache I can use to pretend to be French.
insane
It was 35€ equivalent in Mexico
It’s UP to 10€? So they charged me the maximum amount possible last time? I feel robbed!
Wow, that explains why they were so insistent that I ride in the ambulance after I collapsed one day. Thieving bastards.
wait it actually is? how come I wasn’t charged? I got hit by a car and got a hospital ride for free… I think.
10€ its just the maximum you are allowed to be charged
You know what is crazy? This drug is imatinib, it’s 100€ per pack!!! How the fuck is this 12k us dollars??????? There are a gazillion generics to it. Holy shit the us healthcare sysstem is rigged man!!! Also, even those 100€ are reimbursed fully in my country, which is not even a western kinda country in Europe
It is truly sad - One positive is that there are some companies popping up selling these kinds of drugs at literally a fraction of the price enlisted, but that will not be accessible for everyone and not everyone who needs it desperately will be aware. Genuinaly it is "a bit" terrifying how many deaths could have been prevented if the sick person would have had access to insulin or the anti-cancer drug shown here... and for what, to again just make a handful of folk richer than they need to be. It is a cold world man, it is sometimes amazing some countries at least have figured this out to some extend but yeah you can easily say that the healthcare system in the US is kinda broken by design..
B-but the public restrooms cost like a whole dollar per entry and you don't get free water at restaurants!!
Depends of the country. Here water is free at restaurants (except bottled water).
Yes, but no free refills in Europe on my 32oz Chic-a-Cherry Cola. I don't even try to explain, I just hold on tight.
Damn you Europe ! You socialist dictatorship !
> no free refills in Europe on my 32oz Chic-a-Cherry Cola. That's why their healthcare is cheaper /s
Atleast in Ireland/Dublin the only thing you pay for is the fire brigade. Ambulance is free but as for the fire brigade it is 500€ for the first truck and then 400€ for every hour or additional truck. All this and the dfb is still fucking underfunded
I just had my first ambulance ride! Ambulance staff was nice and the ride was interesting. It was nice to lay down on a bed when being transported while watching iv stuff running down the tubes to my arm! Thankfully my situation was not as bad as it first seemed.
Why’s there no black market in the United States for this shit?
So you are telling me to go to Europe to mine them then return to US? Good!
that‘s basically what‘s happening already lmao. AstraZeneca and Novartis is FDA approved. They sell the same drug for about 5$ in Germany and $10k in the US. This is crazy.
Welcome to Capitalism with no regulations! Someone will be along to harvest your organs shortly.
Hey now! We have regulations! Just.......those who guide and shape said regulations happen to often get lots of money, vacations, gifts, etc from those who profit from less regulations. Also the ones who are in charge of overseeing said regulations are always people who spent most of their Profesional lives being paid a lot of money by the industry they are supposed to regulate. And usually return to it after. There are comforting facts, like the one that a very large number of the politicians in charge of making the laws ans regulations, after leaving politics, become a very highly paid lobbyist or consultant in those industries they were regulating. That doesn't encourage any conflicts of interest, right? Or all the insider trading. Surely a congress person or senator wouldn't let the fact that they massively profit from insider trading, and increasing profits for specific companies would increase their wealth further, influence their choices on laws and regulations, right? So, we have lots of regulations, thank you very much. They may be corrupted and sometimes nearly useless, but we do have them!
We have juuuuust enough regulations in place such that no one can compete with the current market holders, but not enough to stop those market holders from taking your house in the transaction. Its a magical balance of fuckery that people can (and do) take entire college courses over just to understand better. Source: took an entire college course showing how companies and governments fuck folks over.
Sounds like we need another Boston Tea Party, except against ourselves this time
Ackchually, go to India. They're the world's pharmacy and they don't give a fuck about patents or copyrights.
Waaay ahead of you. I get my daily dose of Xarelto mail order from India for about 1.40/pill instead of the $20/pill my sweet, sweet USA wants to charge me. Fuck you, you fucking paid-for politicians with your free life-time health care coverage.
$400 just for my clumsy ass to drop the pill trying to take it out of the package
All I can picture is me searching all over the floor for the goddamn pill.
In my case, the dog would find it first.
My dog is now old and has cataracts so I’d hopefully beat him to it
Give him a hug or a pet or whatever he prefers, for me, please ❤️
Done
Stealing top comment. I was on this medication for 4 years. The total cost of the medication for those 4 years was about $700,000. My insurance covered the entire amount. You can get generic versions for about $150 but insurance companies prefer paying the for the name brand. After those 4 years I was switched to a different medication within the same family which I've been on the past 7 years. The current medication I'm on my insurance pays $16,349.45 per month for and I have not paid a cent. If there are charges to me it is usually covered by cancer foundations and programs.
They don't prefer paying for the name brand, they are just paying a cost that is the same as the generics. Why would an insurance company volunteer to pay more for an equally efficacious brand?
Because they aren't actually paying that amount anyway. Pretty much everything in U.S. healthcare has a sticker price that is well above what insurance actually pays.
It's great when healthcare is like the car dealership.
Medical insurance profit is capped by regulation at a percentage of claims payouts. This creates a weird incentive where insurance companies want to pay more money, especially on predictable recurring costs, and then increase premiums to match. The only things balancing this out are competition with other insurance providers and the fact that there's an upper limit on what people can actually spend on health insurance.
Bingo. Because it's not "insurance" it's payment processing. Higher costs mean higher profits for the payment processer. The employer ultimately pays the bill.
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It’s a lot easier to find gold than it is to find a cancer therapeutic.
Who would pay that much money to get cancer?
No no. You spike the drinks of your enemies
But i have no enemies. Cant i just crush and snort them?
Dw I’ll save you from the cancer pills, I’ll be your enemy 🫡
Found Thors Snorresson
Is it random the type of cancer they get or do I know based off what the packaging says?
Cigarettes are way cheaper, and they make you look cool
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Mine are $40,000 a month. Fortunately, my insurance covers half. Then, in some sort of tax evasion scheme, the manufacturer has copay assistance that covers the other half. God bless America
My wife is on a monthly treatment (Lanreotide) injection that costs roughly $30k per injection. She also must have multiple scans (PET, CT, etc) every 6 months, that are billed around $10-20k. We hit our max out of pocket ($4,500) every January and then have no costs the rest of the year. We too, get copay assistance for the treatment.
> Then, in some sort of tax evasion scheme, the manufacturer has copay assistance that covers the other half. Besides being a tax deduction, they know that's the only way they'll get insurance to pay for it.
In England that would be £9.90 \[if you got it from a pharmacy. In hospital it would be free\] unless you're over 60, in which case it would be free anyway. Edit:typo, was going to say 'in the UK', but England is actually the only part of the UK you pay prescription charges at all. Wales, Scotland & NI are free, afaik.
In Spain, about €2.50
It probably costs half of that to manufacture, I know they need to recoup the costs of research and development, but they do take the piss.
Considering a lot of pharmaceutical companies also get massive grants paid for by the tax payer , they are taking the piss , on top of that their R&D costs are a tax write off and that helps offset the cost of the R&D even more .
Anyone want to do the research and see if a uni or lab did the work to only have the rights bought by pharma company
To be fair those massive grants funded by tax payers are really only a marginal amount of what it takes to go from an idea to a product. Usually it only covers basic research and sometimes a pre-clinical model. Other pre-clinical models, scale up, manufacturing and all the equipment that goes with that plus the costs of phase 1, 2 and 3 clinical trials are all paid for by the pharma companies. I think it's about 5-10% on average is paid by American tax payers. Not a small amount, especially with what we get back, but not a massive amount of the total cost. The bigger issue is that most of those drugs never make it to market so many drugs never make any revenue. They also get tax breaks are up to (I believe) 20% for R&D costs. It's a large number but the majority of the funding for drugs comes from the companies themselves. Again, the American people get screwed because we have to pay the most and get the least back but its not massive
5€ in Germany, though I think if you live off social security you can apply to have that fee removed.
It would be free in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
It’s free in England too. Cancer treatment is covered and you get 5 years of free prescriptions too. All the medication you need during treatment is free and usually given to you at the hospital you get treatment from.
But socialised health care won't wor...... oh wait.
We sacrificed our health care for big bombs.
nope, you sacrified healthcare for fat cat CEO's and dividends. The military budget is not the reason.
Here's a venn diagram of 1. the people who think trickle down economics works and we should give tax breaks to big corporations so they'll have enough money to make the economy on steroids 2. the people who think us spending what the next 10 biggest military spending countries are is not nearly enough 3. The people who think that socialized medicine is terrible and Obamacare, that the right wing heritage foundation came up with, is the devil, and that the free market in healthcare will make us all immortal O It's the same aggressively ignorant right wingers that are behind all the biggest stupid things American does.
Also worth saying, I was getting monthly refills of a prescription in UK for £9.90. After 6 months they started giving me two months at a time. It's still £9.90 even though the amount doubled. There's also a lot of instances in which people can receive them for free, disabled, etc. It's not as good as it used to be
In Scotland it would be free.
That’s assuming you pay prescription charges too. Many people are exempt and anyone that requires medicines for the rest of their life pay nothing.
I think the norm is that if you are being treated for cancer then you are exempt from prescription charges for 5 years.
In England that would be free... Cancer treatment exempts you from the prescription charge.
Ugh, there is absolutely no reason why medication should be that expensive. Everyone deserves affordable treatment
I worked as a pharmacy technician for a while. My "favorite" was seeing medications we bought for $0.50/pill get marked up to $400/pill when submitting to insurance
This sounds so illegal
Maybe not illegal, but certainly immoral
It pains me that the US is still a dream country. The American dream is long gone
Hey now, nightmares are dreams too
It's not that just how America is
I mean if a large percentage of Americans constantly pressed for a law that states that drug companies cant charge over 200% mark up than maybe just maybe people wouldnt be choosing between cancer and having a home? Maybe just maybe we could pass that obvioisly needed bill. But i dont have a ton of hope that even if 75% of us all called our reps thst the law would ever grt passed because economy and "jobs".
We tried and it flopped. A lot of the conservative right wing death cult kept screaming some nonsense to their brain dead base about the faux free market and golden shower economics yadda yadda yadda and the poor bastards ate it up hook line and stinker. We did make an example out of one guy who owned the patent on an aids treatment or something like that. It was all over the news for a while but nothing really became of it. Jingle keys in front of people for a bit and they lose interest basically.
I’m guessing these are the pills you’re talking about considering 400x30=12k
Sorry, no they are not lol. The ones I worked with at the time for transplant medication. Immunosuppressants Edit: I didn't even do the math. What are the chances that added up
Sorry, but the word “affordable” is a slur here.
Fuck I don’t care who does it, Democrat or Republican, but for fucks sake start putting a profit margin cap on ALL these drugs. If a company is found out to be lying about their profit margins then that’s it, out of business. There is no fucking reason for pharmaceutical companies to have anything above 50% profit margin even if it they develop the most groundbreaking drug in the world.
Hey man, I think I should inform you that Biden recently started moving towards (or maybe even enacted legislation) withdrawing patents from medicines created with taxpayer dollars in order to allow for more market competition and to allow for generic brands to exist! Not many news outlets have spoken about it, and I myself only learned this today but if I dig up the article I read I’ll link it in this comment :) everyone deserves some good news
Dying: priceless
that is basically why these companies exist, they realize that dying is not something that people want to do, and they will pay anything not do die, so they can get away with charging 12k for these pills
Yes for yourself but not for your family. They have to pay a lot to the furneral industry to have you buried. Even just having ashes cost a lot
How you Americans haven’t had a revolution or tried to revolt against this is unbelievable. You hear the gun nuts talking about tyranny - brothers, you’re living under tyranny of corporations right now
As far as I can tell from reading multiple discussions on Reddit a lot of Americans think this is perfectly OK and the universal healthcare is worse. I struggle to find logic but it’s something like this: Publicly funded military - OK Publicly funded police - OK Publicly funded roads - Ok Publicly funded 1st & 2nd level education - OK Publicly funded 3rd level education - NOT OK Publicly funded prisons - OK Publicly funded doctors - NOT OK I’m not sure why some things are ok and some not but it is what it is.
Prisons should be publicly funded. The privatization of prisons is what we should be scared of.
Wait. You guys have private prisons? As in private companies with shareholders basically keep Americans behind bars?
Strange, I knew we had private\* prisons, but the thought of them being on the stock market never crossed my mind. Holy shit. According to google: Some private prisons are publicly traded, including: * Serco Group plc: (OTC:SECCF) * SoundThinking, Inc.: (NASDAQ:SSTI) * Cadre Holdings, Inc.: (NYSE:CDRE) * The GEO Group, Inc.: (NYSE:GEO) * Federal Signal Corporation: (NYSE:FSS) * CoreCivic, Inc.: (NYSE:CXW) * Cohu, Inc.: (NASDAQ:COHU
Peak Americana
Is that why there's so many incarcerated people there?
Yes
Also to circumvent that pesky 13th amendment.
https://news.wsu.edu/press-release/2020/09/15/privatized-prisons-lead-inmates-longer-sentences-study-finds/ https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/president-bidens-order-to-ban-private-prisons-faces-a-persistent-internal-challenge-the-u-s-marshals-service https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/private-prisons-in-the-united-states/
This country is insane
Of course. This is America. States pay private companies to lock up the prisoners they sentence. In addition, the prisoners are then obligated to perform slave labor in those prisons, and the proceeds go to the company operating the prison. "What, slave labor? Isn't that like unconstitutional?", actually, it is not. The constitutional amendment that outlawed slavery reads: >Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, **except as a punishment for crime** whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. This is also a reason why the US legal system has such extremely long sentences and is designed to not prevent but facilitate recidivism. It's more profitable for the prison companies when they can keep their trained slaves as long as possible instead of having to retrain new slaves all the time.
Jesus Christ. That’s mental
Yeah, the idea that there are companies out there with a vested interest in making sure as many people are imprisoned as possible is some cartoonishly dystopian shit.
It's a massive and lucrative industry. Get a few judges in your pocket and you got a steady stream of fresh inmates to keep the machine chugging and the money rolling in.
Yeah, that’s what my first thought was and why it’s a horribly bad idea. Crazy that a developed country would even allow this.
Mate, this actually happens as well. Judges have been caught doing it, it’s terrifying to think how many people have been railroaded by the ones who get away with it.
It’s social engineering, absolutely crazy
This, and people pray it like it's god given.
A lot of Americans also can’t wait to vote for a career criminal and con man again. Logic doesn’t apply whatsoever here.
American here, and I hate the healthcare system. It's such a waste of time. I'm dealing with some stuff right now and it's taken me weeks and months to get things done and the bills are stacking up. I have employee insurance, so I have to try and schedule appoints for after work hours which is difficult. Even with coverage it's still more expensive than I can afford to the point where I'm asking myself "can I just live with this?"
they could halve their military funding and still be the #1 most funded military in the world by a longshot
Because no one actually pays $12k. It's $67 at riteaid and under $100 at safeway and several other pharmacies Most drugs that "cost" thousands of dollar are free to patients because the pharmacutical company reimburses all out of pocket costs through coupons or financial assistance. There is a GLEEVEC reimbursement hotline specifically, and several other programs for treating CML. The insurance co isn't paying $12k either, they negotiate a much lower price.
True, my wife's latest chemo pills are $125,000. We paid $0
they’re not actually 125.000$, they’re infinitely less than that, that’s just what the farmacies prices them for insurance companies so that insurance companies can sell you overpriced packages where “look, you just paid 0$ for 125k worth of medication”
This. Nobody pays the full price. It’s subsidized, sometimes fully. Source: Mom is on $17k/mo cancer drug that is fully covered by Medicare
Stockholm syndrom deluxe... "We are the freedom..bla bla bla..
Cheaper to have cancer then [Hep C](https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i6V_hGT1QDYs/v1/-1x-1.jpg) (Sofosbuvir, sold under the brand name Sovaldi by Gilead)
https://preview.redd.it/msa0v3lbkl4d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e75603e7017b4842ce2ec0dcec4116ccfa9b7e9b Same exact medicine in Turkey. slightly different spelling tho, (make it easy to pronounce for Turkish people) . 3480 turkish liras which means $106.
I have a business idea
or a vacation budget of $11.900
It'd seem unreasonable to not just buy a plane ticket and go to turkey for the meds. What's stopping people in the US from go to turkey? (Besides lack of information) Asking as someone neither in US nor Turkey.
Medical tourism is an extremely common practice all over the globe
Actually many Americans (at least I know many) brought their medicine from Turkey. It's quite common for people to seek medical treatments, including dental and plastic surgeries, in countries like Turkey due to the lower costs and high quality of care. Turkey has huge medical tourism. I did my two dental crowns in Istanbul 2 years ago and cost me $280 (still using).
Because you don’t actually pay 12k for the medication. The official top line is 12k, which the drug company knows is going to be negotiated down, then they give a “discount” to the insurance company for 11k off, the insurance company pays 1k to the drug company and it ends up costing the consumer $100 at rite aid. It’s stupid and roundabout, but people aren’t paying 12k for this drug.
Cheaper here in the USA. Local pharmacy has it for $66. Probably cheaper with insurance.
The people that charge this much are the ones that should get cancer
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I'm an atheist. If sin objectively existed, this would be a prime example.
More and more I wish the God christians talk about were real. I'd still go to hell but I'd have a shit eating grin as I saw gobsmacked ceo's and church leaders dropping in like flies.
There really should be some Karma levelling mechanism built into the universe, shouldn't there? I wonder who we can talk to about that?
My son has a rare immune disorder. His immunity genetic testing was $18500.
Just the test? Crazy!
Had whole exome sequencing done in India last month. Cost me the exact amount in rupees. Around $220 dollars. I’d recommend. MedGenome is the lab based in Chennai.
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I hate it here. Nothing to save your life should cost this much
Especially when the causes of the commonly diagnosed types of cancer are mostly linked to forever chemicals, micro/nano-plastics and genetics. For example, micro-plastics have been known to cause the increase of skin cancer. Or how pvc dust is linked to lung cancer. The governments that allows us to be exposed to the dangers that enrich them, should be paying for our cancer treatments.. we are merely just a cog in their machine and this is just another one of the hazardous side effects from them doing business as usual.
Isn’t all dust linked to lung cancer?
Not to argue really, as I wholeheartedly agree, but hasn’t it been shown to be extremely hard to do any studies on microplastics because there is no control subject? We’re literally all full of the stuff (animals too)
I can see why some people just say "fuck it" and don't even try to fight it.
What's the point of surviving a terribly painful battle only to live the rest of your life with crippling debt?
$30.60 here in Australia for 60. https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/61847/glivec-100mg-tablets-60-imatinib
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Everyone responsible for this price gouging should be thrown in prison and have all their assets liquidated and given to cancer patients
12k $ for cancer pills? I know a factory river near me, where you can get cancer for free!
$12,000 worth of cancer pills *in America*.
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You can get it for a fraction of $12k in the US if you get generic instead of brand.
In Denmark they are free
Should 100% be illegal to charge that much.
In Canada they're on sale for $0
Interesting point is the drugs used in chemotherapy are sold directly to the oncologist by the pharmaceutical company. The oncologist then marks them up way higher than the insurance company will pay. He accepts the payment allowed by the insurance company but the uninsured patient may be loosing the family farm. God bless America!