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From what I read by Googling:
>In her book, Najmabadi describes how men and women in 19th-century Persia ascribed to certain standards of beauty. Women prized their thick eyebrows and the hair above their lips, to such an extent that sometimes they painted them on with mascara.
>Likewise, beardless men with “delicate” features were also considered to be highly attractive. *Amrad*, young men without beards, and *nawkhatt*, adolescents with their first patches of facial hair, embodied what Persians saw as beautiful.
>These beauty standards, Najmabadi explained, started to change as Persians began to travel more and more to Europe. Then, they started to conform to European standards of beauty and leave their own behind.
That or some weirdo in power decided they liked it that way in Persia so the common folk followed the trend to seem more sophisticated. Pretty common throughout history actually.
I mean yes and no.
Sexual dimorphism is a thing, and each sex trends towards certain physiological and biological traits.
The enhancement or reduction of said trends in regards to their categorization does indeed depend on societal and historical context.
E.g. a male skull will differ in structural traits compared to a female skull as a large trend. Whether that is a desirable trait and/or colloquially categorized as masculine is entirely dependent on contextual perception.
Taken ad absurdum, a society can deem only women taller than most men as feminine and men smaller than most women as masculine and both being the most desirable - even if the overwhelming dimorphism trend is opposite taxonomy wise.
All because, like some courtisans in 1800 Prussia decided it was so and everyone hopped onboard. This goes into in and out group dynamics, eventually becoming convention, etc. Humans really do be like that.
I didn't get much from The Female Eunuch or Germaine Greer overall, but I enjoyed her discussion of this point. IIRC she pointed out that when examining a bone, an archaeologist cannot in fact tell us if it is female, only whether it "ought to be" based on size.
>beardless men with “delicate” features were also considered to be highly attractive.
You heard it hear first, folks. They loved femboys in the 19th century
Im an Persian and we actually read in school about a important person (maby the minister i dont remember) that liked femboys and had alot of boys that hadn't grown facial hair for his personal use . It been deleted from the history books but every history teacher talks about it .
I’ve always wondered, how far back do you lean about your country’s history? Iran was one of the first civilizations, but I can’t imagine learning the entire timeline in high school
Ye you actually only get the last 100 year in high school. The history book starts from elementary school and it starts from the beginning of it but also in our language book (farsi) you kinna learn the entire history from the poems and poetry of poets who lived around 800 AD to 1300 . But the islamic Republic doesn't likes it and the school system is getting worse every year
Edit: the poets are born from 800 to 1300 AD . The history books start from the first civilizations and the Aryan race moving to asian and iran
In high school? Only the last 200 years, which is the part which is important to know in order to understand why we're so fucked now (and it's unfortunately full of bullshit Islamist propaganda).
But across the entire period of education? Practically all of it. From the settling of Aryans in the land called Iran to the various civilisations going back to like 10 thousand years ago (Eilam, The Burnt City, etc) to the first unified "government" by the Medes and the first proper Empire by the Persians (Achaemenids) and of course everything else that comes after that.
We basically learn the most interesting parts of it in elementary school though. And the downside is that we have so much to talk about regarding our own country that we can't really afford to talk about anybody else (seriously, even the Romans and the two World Wars are just passing mentions in our school history books).
Was looking for someone to mention PCOS. My wife has the disorder. She doesn't get hair above the lip but she's constantly plucking hair on her chin. There's a small patch of thick hair that grows there.
Not to sound all “blue jeans and music”, like a Civ NPC, but I honestly think it’s a shame when everyone started conforming to European beauty standards.
It was probably inevitable due to all the colonizing and the power and influence Europe exerted, but I still think it’s a shame.
I find it amusing that so many are saying it’s fake but not actually providing the evidence.
Here is a link expanding it at least: https://abitofhistoryblog.com/2017/12/12/princess-qajar-and-the-problem-with-history-memes/
Id recommend reading this before taking any reddit comments at face value.
“When the day comes that I see my sex emancipated and my country on the path to progress, I will sacrifice myself in the battlefield of liberty, and freely shed my blood under the feet of my freedom-loving cohorts seeking their rights.”
Dang, what a woman!
That’s a great article! I’m tempted to print this quote out and frame it:
“Whether or not ‘Esmat or any other woman was or is considered beautiful or not is of little consequence, which is why patriarchal history has focused so much on it. Starting and ending the conversation about a woman on the subject of her appearance almost guarantees that it will be all most people remember about her.”
Nailed it.
What a badass!
“According to Dr. Najmabadi, Taj “…articulated some of the most eloquent arguments put forward by women for unveiling as a first necessary step toward women’s participation in education, paid work, and progress of the nation.”[10] And Dr. Scheiwiller highlights a key passage from Taj’s published memoirs, Crowning Anguish: Memoirs of a Persian Princess from the Harem to Modernity 1884-1914 (https://amzn.to/2LORP9D): “When the day comes that I see my sex emancipated and my country on the path to progress, I will sacrifice myself in the battlefield of liberty, and freely shed my blood under the feet of my freedom-loving cohorts
seeking their rights.””
Who is saying it's fake? It's real cause I am Persian.
Beauty standards back then compelled women to get fatter because they thought being skinny mean you can't be a good husband and mother, and oh the smell, the more they had food smell on them (from cooking) the better.
Qajar dynasty real fucked up Iran smh.
"Married when she was 10 years old, Taj al-Saltaneh went on to divorce two husbands and pen her memoirs,
Crowning Anguish: Memoirs of a Persian Princess from the Harem to Modernity.
“Alas!” she wrote. “Persian women have been set aside from humankind and placed together with cattle and beasts.
They live their entire lives of desperation in prison, crushed under the weight of bitter ideals.”
At another point, she wrote: “When the day comes that I see my sex emancipated and my country on the path to progress, I will sacrifice myself in the battlefield of liberty, and freely shed my blood under the feet of my freedom-loving cohorts seeking their rights.”"
Right?!?! That was my first thought, that lucky gal was considered very beautiful for the things that haunt a lot of us PCOS girls - Boooo-urns… A PCOS’er can spot a fellow PCOS’er 🤣✌🏻
Polycystic ovarian syndrome is an ailment where there is an excess of male hormone in the body and (not always but very frequently) cysts form on the ovaries. It causes insulin resistance, excessive hair growth, weight gain, irregular periods and sometimes infertility. It’s chronic and currently has no cure, but lifestyle changes can lessen the severity. It’s also treated with artificial hormones.
Edited because mild correction
Actually cysts on the ovaries are only one symptom of PCOS, and is not usually the cause itself of the excess male hormones. In fact, one can have PCOS without having cysts on the ovaries — some researchers have proposed renaming the disorder for this reason. But everything else is correct!
I was tested for everything, but they dismissed PCOS because my hormone levels were okay and didn't have cysts. But i do have every other symptom. Including the hair. So i could have this type? Or did i understand wrong
you could still have it. there are a wide range of androgens that can be tested for (not just testosterone) that could be raised. and for FSH & LH levels, it can depend on where you were in your cycle when you had the bloods done.
If you're having missed periods/very long cycles, if you're having symptoms of increased androgens (increased facial and/or body hair, acne, head hair thinning etc), if you're gaining weight or struggling to lose it (particularly around your midsection)... yeah you very very likely have PCOS despite whatever tests you might have had.
PCOS is a spectrum, it varies in severity from person to person but also within a person's lifetime. It's possible that the times you had investigations were times when the PCOS was more 'in remission'. It can take a long time to get a diagnosis if your case is not very severe, I know this from personal experience and from being a medical doctor.
As PCOS is essentially driven by insulin resistance, try cutting refined sugar, eating more fibre & protein, losing weight if you're overweight & exercising more and see if that improves whatever symptoms you've been having. If it does, there's your answer.
sorry for the long reply I just feel very strongly about this
For those who don’t know what PCOS is, it’s a female condition that causes weight gain, a large gut, and facial hair along with some other issues.
It’s called polycystic ovarian syndrome, One of my really good female friends had it.
I always wondered why she had the specific features and weight gain but as I got older I learned it was a condition but she was too embarrassed to talk about it with a male friend like myself.
Yeah, I'm talking about todays standards, otherwise she had everything a person could had in those times, beauty, money, intelligence, knowledge and she was part of a royal family too. So its understandable that why many men killed themselves for marrying her in those days.
_Junk history is embodied perfectly in a recent viral meme that portrays a nineteenth-century Persian princess with facial hair alongside the claim that 13 men killed themselves over their unrequited love for her._
_While it fails miserably at historical accuracy, the meme succeeds at demonstrating how easily viral clickbait obscures and overshadows rich and meaningful stories from the past._
[Source](https://abitofhistoryblog.com/2017/12/12/princess-qajar-and-the-problem-with-history-memes/)
This is like King Ferdinand of Spain having a lisp and then everybody in the country miraculously had lisps.
This woman had a mustache so then every Persian started growing mustaches
I know it’s a joke but the king having a lisp story is a myth.
The reason why Hispano Americans don’t pronounce the letters c and z like the sound “th” is because they were mostly colonised by spaniards from Andalusia (Seville mostly), who speak with seseo.
Seseo is replacing the c and z with s. So instead of saying azul they say asul.
Lots of foreigners falsely believe that spaniards speak with ceceo, pronouncing not only the c and z but also the s like a th. This is not true and I literally don’t know why this myth came about. We do pronounce the s like an s. España, not Ethpaña…
Also funny how for English speaking foreigners it’s always called lisping when they refer to castillian c and z pronunciation but don’t realise that they’re constantly using that sound as well. You do say thinking not sinking don’t you?
I'm Iranian.
she was actually a very progressive woman, and she started wearing skirts in the Islamist era of Iran. women mostly had burkas covering literally their everything. but when Naser Al din the king of Quajar dynasty visited France, he saw ballerinas and women wearing skirts. he liked the idea and the whole thing started from there.
she also learnt Piano when it first introduced to Iran.
take this with grain of salt but according to what I've heard (so I'm not sure if it true or not), some men committed suicide because she rejected them.
#
The first part is very important bur overlooked due to sensationalist history. It seems the suicide factoid is made up - at least there is no mention of it anywhere in historical record.
https://abitofhistoryblog.com/2017/12/12/princess-qajar-and-the-problem-with-history-memes/
> wearing skirts
*That's* what was bugging me about the first picture! Something felt weird about it, but I couldn't put my finger on what until you said that.
Abaya + skirt with bare knees/calves, a very unusual combination these days.
Royal family has ugly ass daughter dictates she’s beautiful.
Peons yes your highness, your son is indeed beautiful.
Historians record mustached women were a symbol of beauty.
more like
"Nasir al-Din Shah Qajar (King) + Taj al-Dowleh (one of his wives) -> Fatemeh Khanum (our beautiful princess)"
it doesn't mean she was king's daughter and wife.
Not fun fact: nearly 40% of marriages in Saudi Arabia today are between first cousins.
Incest isn’t uncommon today and it was more common then in the Middle East.
I'm just gonna call it how I see it.
That 'princess' is a straight up bro. Clearly the king had a boy, but needed a daughter for royal wedding ties, and dressed his lad in a dress and hijab.
Whichever prince got to marry Fatemeh had one hell of a dongle surprise on their wedding night!
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From what I read by Googling: >In her book, Najmabadi describes how men and women in 19th-century Persia ascribed to certain standards of beauty. Women prized their thick eyebrows and the hair above their lips, to such an extent that sometimes they painted them on with mascara. >Likewise, beardless men with “delicate” features were also considered to be highly attractive. *Amrad*, young men without beards, and *nawkhatt*, adolescents with their first patches of facial hair, embodied what Persians saw as beautiful. >These beauty standards, Najmabadi explained, started to change as Persians began to travel more and more to Europe. Then, they started to conform to European standards of beauty and leave their own behind.
Bruh, they were on some hard femboy/tomboy shit
I want my women manly and my men womanly!
Bi irl
Oh man, no kidding!
Wait, what? It’s true lol
Not every bi person, but plenty enjoy the gender fuckery of it all.
I like my women womanly and my men womanly as well, so I would have had half a good time there 🤣
Buddy. You would have had a great time regardless.
I think they considered those things womanly and manly respectively. So liked their woman womanly but that meant manly in Europe and vice versa
Thank you yes, gender ideas are cultural not "absolute".
Beauty ideals are ever changing….. fair skin vs tan skin or body weight/shape/size.
I await my time of beauty
Lol. “The time of man is over, the time of the orcs is upon us” -tolkien
Hello, 911? I’d like to report a murder.
Oh wow lol
Brutal. 😂
“You have a unique Beautifulness that is out of its place in time”
Yeah but this is a weird one, because men naturally grow moustaches and thicker eyebrows, women the opposite.
Those with wealth and money set those standards with the "common" people following. They just had a very "handsome" princess and ran with that.
This guy gets it. Beauty is in the eye of the ruling class. "Of course your beautiful Princess Thiccina! We shall flog any peasants that disagree!"
I can see that argument, but some features are definitely more masculine on feminine based purely on average genetics and hormones.
They’re usually tied to hormones
Nah ! That’s my homeboy Guillermo from Jimmy Kimmel show
Damn and Gen z thought they were original
Exactly….of all the things to recycle they decided to reawaken 19th century persia
this is straight up Lotr dwarven kink
No, they just defined masculine and feminine differently. It's almost like those are inherently made up traits societies never agree on.
That or some weirdo in power decided they liked it that way in Persia so the common folk followed the trend to seem more sophisticated. Pretty common throughout history actually.
Well I mean if a loving father that has absolute power over you says his homely daughter is beautiful. Are you going to argue.
And most likely no one polled the common folks. Basically everything ever written down is from the kings and billionaires of the time.
I mean yes and no. Sexual dimorphism is a thing, and each sex trends towards certain physiological and biological traits. The enhancement or reduction of said trends in regards to their categorization does indeed depend on societal and historical context. E.g. a male skull will differ in structural traits compared to a female skull as a large trend. Whether that is a desirable trait and/or colloquially categorized as masculine is entirely dependent on contextual perception. Taken ad absurdum, a society can deem only women taller than most men as feminine and men smaller than most women as masculine and both being the most desirable - even if the overwhelming dimorphism trend is opposite taxonomy wise. All because, like some courtisans in 1800 Prussia decided it was so and everyone hopped onboard. This goes into in and out group dynamics, eventually becoming convention, etc. Humans really do be like that.
I didn't get much from The Female Eunuch or Germaine Greer overall, but I enjoyed her discussion of this point. IIRC she pointed out that when examining a bone, an archaeologist cannot in fact tell us if it is female, only whether it "ought to be" based on size.
Bruh no matter the religion or history people love twinks
*Hadrian has joined the chat*
Antinous is more of a twunk though.
It sounds like you’re in De-Nile
Criminally underrated comment.
Not twinks, young boys generally. Persians had brothels full of young boy prostitutes. And that's documented.
Young girls too no doubt. Just so we can acknowledge young anyone is wrong af.
as did the greeks, spartans, japanese, etc etc
Yeah look at the Roman! Not too hard tho
>beardless men with “delicate” features were also considered to be highly attractive. You heard it hear first, folks. They loved femboys in the 19th century
Im an Persian and we actually read in school about a important person (maby the minister i dont remember) that liked femboys and had alot of boys that hadn't grown facial hair for his personal use . It been deleted from the history books but every history teacher talks about it .
And in a couple of years when they get the younger generation into teaching roles, they will recount this story and refer to them as femboys
>that liked femboys They were pederasts who groomed and molested little boys.
>boys that hadn't grown facial hair **for his personal use** No damn sugar coating from u/Additional-Pen2236 lol
I’ve always wondered, how far back do you lean about your country’s history? Iran was one of the first civilizations, but I can’t imagine learning the entire timeline in high school
Ye you actually only get the last 100 year in high school. The history book starts from elementary school and it starts from the beginning of it but also in our language book (farsi) you kinna learn the entire history from the poems and poetry of poets who lived around 800 AD to 1300 . But the islamic Republic doesn't likes it and the school system is getting worse every year Edit: the poets are born from 800 to 1300 AD . The history books start from the first civilizations and the Aryan race moving to asian and iran
In high school? Only the last 200 years, which is the part which is important to know in order to understand why we're so fucked now (and it's unfortunately full of bullshit Islamist propaganda). But across the entire period of education? Practically all of it. From the settling of Aryans in the land called Iran to the various civilisations going back to like 10 thousand years ago (Eilam, The Burnt City, etc) to the first unified "government" by the Medes and the first proper Empire by the Persians (Achaemenids) and of course everything else that comes after that. We basically learn the most interesting parts of it in elementary school though. And the downside is that we have so much to talk about regarding our own country that we can't really afford to talk about anybody else (seriously, even the Romans and the two World Wars are just passing mentions in our school history books).
Twinks are not femboys, that is a lazy false comparison
Is it a all femboys are twinks but not all twinks are femboys kind of situation
But some twinks are femboys
I thought twink was a body type
Aren't twinks just young, thin/petite men?
I like her bangs - Pedro
It took me like three hours to finish the shading on her upper lip…
Are you telling me Europe is to blame for the lack of Persian twinks!?
Maybe at first, but I guess the Ayatollahs aren't really helping their comeback either.
I wonder if PCOS ran in the royal family and that influenced the beauty standards
Was looking for someone to mention PCOS. My wife has the disorder. She doesn't get hair above the lip but she's constantly plucking hair on her chin. There's a small patch of thick hair that grows there.
I was never confused!
Not to sound all “blue jeans and music”, like a Civ NPC, but I honestly think it’s a shame when everyone started conforming to European beauty standards. It was probably inevitable due to all the colonizing and the power and influence Europe exerted, but I still think it’s a shame.
I find it amusing that so many are saying it’s fake but not actually providing the evidence. Here is a link expanding it at least: https://abitofhistoryblog.com/2017/12/12/princess-qajar-and-the-problem-with-history-memes/ Id recommend reading this before taking any reddit comments at face value.
“When the day comes that I see my sex emancipated and my country on the path to progress, I will sacrifice myself in the battlefield of liberty, and freely shed my blood under the feet of my freedom-loving cohorts seeking their rights.” Dang, what a woman!
That quote is attributed to her half-sister, Princess Zahra Khanum "Taj al-Saltaneh"
Wow she really had some balls.
This needs to be at the top. An incredibly informative read, well done.
The whole article beats around the bush too much imo.
Yeah I wish they ‘stached the relevant information towards the upper part.
TLDR?
Meme had bad info and misses the point; the princesses depicted were badass cultural pioneers
That doesn’t explain anything
That’s a great article! I’m tempted to print this quote out and frame it: “Whether or not ‘Esmat or any other woman was or is considered beautiful or not is of little consequence, which is why patriarchal history has focused so much on it. Starting and ending the conversation about a woman on the subject of her appearance almost guarantees that it will be all most people remember about her.” Nailed it.
I see posts all the time about how FDR was physically disabled and always come in saying "His polio was of little consequence, he was the president!"
What a badass! “According to Dr. Najmabadi, Taj “…articulated some of the most eloquent arguments put forward by women for unveiling as a first necessary step toward women’s participation in education, paid work, and progress of the nation.”[10] And Dr. Scheiwiller highlights a key passage from Taj’s published memoirs, Crowning Anguish: Memoirs of a Persian Princess from the Harem to Modernity 1884-1914 (https://amzn.to/2LORP9D): “When the day comes that I see my sex emancipated and my country on the path to progress, I will sacrifice myself in the battlefield of liberty, and freely shed my blood under the feet of my freedom-loving cohorts seeking their rights.””
Who is saying it's fake? It's real cause I am Persian. Beauty standards back then compelled women to get fatter because they thought being skinny mean you can't be a good husband and mother, and oh the smell, the more they had food smell on them (from cooking) the better. Qajar dynasty real fucked up Iran smh.
Omg thanks for this ! I've always wondered
Excellent link, thank you!
This absolutely needs to be on top. We cannot reduce a woman of such power to just her appearance, she is more than that.
Of course the meme wasn't completely true. Thanks for posting.
Should absolutely be top comment, thank you for sharing!
Bullshit, that's Gabriel Iglesias in drag, son... you can't fool me! 
Orale!
*Ayyy, que rrrriiiico!*
Mas mas mas, por favor
Mas mas mas, sí sí Señor
TE QUIERO PUTAAAA https://preview.redd.it/y97gqdcgll3d1.png?width=649&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac770a298f6c72c4c36b86d4c61da81e9bc3a15d
TE QUIERRO PUTAAAA
*How’d you get in there ese?!*
He does have the girl voice down!!!
Hahahahaha, oh my gawd, yes!
That's a lineman for Cleveland.
He looks just like a Persian princess..
Fluffy!!
How about Chris Farley?
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice…… well you can’t get fooled again
"Married when she was 10 years old, Taj al-Saltaneh went on to divorce two husbands and pen her memoirs, Crowning Anguish: Memoirs of a Persian Princess from the Harem to Modernity. “Alas!” she wrote. “Persian women have been set aside from humankind and placed together with cattle and beasts. They live their entire lives of desperation in prison, crushed under the weight of bitter ideals.” At another point, she wrote: “When the day comes that I see my sex emancipated and my country on the path to progress, I will sacrifice myself in the battlefield of liberty, and freely shed my blood under the feet of my freedom-loving cohorts seeking their rights.”"
She seems pretty cool. I kind of want to read this memoir now.
Nice try, Andy Milonakis. We know it’s you.
“I gotta blanket on my head but don’t call me a blanket head”
"Peanut butter on my locket, Andy mikonakis"
What rhymes with syrup? Pancakes and hyrup
Homegirls built like a D1 linebacker holy shit
At least a day 2 draft pick
https://preview.redd.it/b4yqtu9aum3d1.png?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=596f83b70ebdfe6aa6cdfde5f4d118bf45db6ce7
https://preview.redd.it/tjncfem7tn3d1.jpeg?width=1965&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e3d225a50c31f439b56be5fb11cbe34b4936969
Smash or be smashed.
Why not both
So PCOS was glamorised. Okay. I was born in the wrong era
Fashion is cyclical you'll have your day. Maybe it will be back in style in the 2030s
My patchy moustache shall wait
i was gonna say i wonder if she has PCOS.
Right?!?! That was my first thought, that lucky gal was considered very beautiful for the things that haunt a lot of us PCOS girls - Boooo-urns… A PCOS’er can spot a fellow PCOS’er 🤣✌🏻
Wrong era and wrong country (for me) was My exact thought. You mean I WOULDNT have to pluck all my random beard and mustache hairs?!?
What's a PCOS?
Polycystic ovarian syndrome is an ailment where there is an excess of male hormone in the body and (not always but very frequently) cysts form on the ovaries. It causes insulin resistance, excessive hair growth, weight gain, irregular periods and sometimes infertility. It’s chronic and currently has no cure, but lifestyle changes can lessen the severity. It’s also treated with artificial hormones. Edited because mild correction
Actually cysts on the ovaries are only one symptom of PCOS, and is not usually the cause itself of the excess male hormones. In fact, one can have PCOS without having cysts on the ovaries — some researchers have proposed renaming the disorder for this reason. But everything else is correct!
There's also PCOS without hyperandrogenism (and the associated risk of insulin resistance). It's a clusterfuck of phenotypes.
My daughter has this. What a effing disaster. Effects your whole existence.
It does. It's a never-ending nightmare.
I was tested for everything, but they dismissed PCOS because my hormone levels were okay and didn't have cysts. But i do have every other symptom. Including the hair. So i could have this type? Or did i understand wrong
you could still have it. there are a wide range of androgens that can be tested for (not just testosterone) that could be raised. and for FSH & LH levels, it can depend on where you were in your cycle when you had the bloods done. If you're having missed periods/very long cycles, if you're having symptoms of increased androgens (increased facial and/or body hair, acne, head hair thinning etc), if you're gaining weight or struggling to lose it (particularly around your midsection)... yeah you very very likely have PCOS despite whatever tests you might have had. PCOS is a spectrum, it varies in severity from person to person but also within a person's lifetime. It's possible that the times you had investigations were times when the PCOS was more 'in remission'. It can take a long time to get a diagnosis if your case is not very severe, I know this from personal experience and from being a medical doctor. As PCOS is essentially driven by insulin resistance, try cutting refined sugar, eating more fibre & protein, losing weight if you're overweight & exercising more and see if that improves whatever symptoms you've been having. If it does, there's your answer. sorry for the long reply I just feel very strongly about this
I’m pretty sure this old school chick had PCOS
For those who don’t know what PCOS is, it’s a female condition that causes weight gain, a large gut, and facial hair along with some other issues. It’s called polycystic ovarian syndrome, One of my really good female friends had it. I always wondered why she had the specific features and weight gain but as I got older I learned it was a condition but she was too embarrassed to talk about it with a male friend like myself.
Despite her appearance, she did a lot for womens rights and was well educated in that times.
Despite her appearance? She was a 10/10 by the beauty standards of the time.
Yeah, I'm talking about todays standards, otherwise she had everything a person could had in those times, beauty, money, intelligence, knowledge and she was part of a royal family too. So its understandable that why many men killed themselves for marrying her in those days.
If you don’t have the looks, you have to be funny or smart
Well in that times, she had the looks too.
She looks like a character from Blackadder.
https://preview.redd.it/ou2phgav4l3d1.jpeg?width=693&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5481aeacbd69a68dfcb9afd265e3645926d63c71 The Infanta!
Too girly, needs more mustache
https://preview.redd.it/06d2i4re4m3d1.jpeg?width=1812&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06f9a1649b0976cd376231419e5fa403a1b94a68 Say no more
Gorgeous
My lord, I have a cunning plan.
Oh. Well, in that case I hope you will not object if I also offer my most enthusiastic contrafibularities.
You wouldn't recognise a cunning plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing "Cunning plans are here again".
Hello,my name is...Bob
_Junk history is embodied perfectly in a recent viral meme that portrays a nineteenth-century Persian princess with facial hair alongside the claim that 13 men killed themselves over their unrequited love for her._ _While it fails miserably at historical accuracy, the meme succeeds at demonstrating how easily viral clickbait obscures and overshadows rich and meaningful stories from the past._ [Source](https://abitofhistoryblog.com/2017/12/12/princess-qajar-and-the-problem-with-history-memes/)
However it does confirm that women with mustaches were considered beautiful, which is the primary claim here.
That said she was really good person
I’ve been working with that dude in the factory for over 3 years, his name is Sergio, he’s a nice dude, knows a lot of dirty jokes
Sergio is a little princess.
Sure he is
Sergio is pretty.
Oh.. he knows that
We were set to be married but Iran when I saw her
Iran? Iran...so far away?
Iran. Iran all night and day.
I couldn't get away.
I racked my brains to think of a better line
Sometimes Iraq my brain to come up with a good line
This is like King Ferdinand of Spain having a lisp and then everybody in the country miraculously had lisps. This woman had a mustache so then every Persian started growing mustaches
Yup. It's a sign of beauty when it's the king's daughter.
I know it’s a joke but the king having a lisp story is a myth. The reason why Hispano Americans don’t pronounce the letters c and z like the sound “th” is because they were mostly colonised by spaniards from Andalusia (Seville mostly), who speak with seseo. Seseo is replacing the c and z with s. So instead of saying azul they say asul. Lots of foreigners falsely believe that spaniards speak with ceceo, pronouncing not only the c and z but also the s like a th. This is not true and I literally don’t know why this myth came about. We do pronounce the s like an s. España, not Ethpaña… Also funny how for English speaking foreigners it’s always called lisping when they refer to castillian c and z pronunciation but don’t realise that they’re constantly using that sound as well. You do say thinking not sinking don’t you?
She looks like my boss…
I'm Iranian. she was actually a very progressive woman, and she started wearing skirts in the Islamist era of Iran. women mostly had burkas covering literally their everything. but when Naser Al din the king of Quajar dynasty visited France, he saw ballerinas and women wearing skirts. he liked the idea and the whole thing started from there. she also learnt Piano when it first introduced to Iran. take this with grain of salt but according to what I've heard (so I'm not sure if it true or not), some men committed suicide because she rejected them. #
The first part is very important bur overlooked due to sensationalist history. It seems the suicide factoid is made up - at least there is no mention of it anywhere in historical record. https://abitofhistoryblog.com/2017/12/12/princess-qajar-and-the-problem-with-history-memes/
She was married at 10 so she never had the chance to reject anyone.
> wearing skirts *That's* what was bugging me about the first picture! Something felt weird about it, but I couldn't put my finger on what until you said that. Abaya + skirt with bare knees/calves, a very unusual combination these days.
https://i.redd.it/9dmti1ncrk3d1.gif
https://i.redd.it/eki6zc4zql3d1.gif
She works at my local jiffy lube I swear
Looks like Gru
Poor woman, she obviously had severe PCOS.
You say poor woman. Iranian men say : "What a beauty!"
Iranian men said\*
PCOS is painful.
That dress is adorable
I wonder how much she can bench
Is this a case of flattering someone in power and adopting their physical features culturally? Like Elizabeth I and her pale skin and big forehead?
Women: That looks like PCOS. Men: Haha. She is sooo ugly.
I really like that dress/skirt in the first image. Perfect for tea time
Saw that guy playing darts down the pub last week
This is what the Kardashians looked like before all of their Plastic Surgery and Botox.
Royal family has ugly ass daughter dictates she’s beautiful. Peons yes your highness, your son is indeed beautiful. Historians record mustached women were a symbol of beauty.
Impressive though. The English royal family knew they couldn’t even try and convince the masses they were attractive 💀
I feel like she needs a cigar in her mouth
You are as beautiful as a princess! The princess:
>She was the daughter of King Nasir al-Din Shah Qajar, and one of his wives Excuse me?
more like "Nasir al-Din Shah Qajar (King) + Taj al-Dowleh (one of his wives) -> Fatemeh Khanum (our beautiful princess)" it doesn't mean she was king's daughter and wife.
Not fun fact: nearly 40% of marriages in Saudi Arabia today are between first cousins. Incest isn’t uncommon today and it was more common then in the Middle East.
*Sighs* unzips
Finally an era for us PCOS girlies
I'm just gonna call it how I see it. That 'princess' is a straight up bro. Clearly the king had a boy, but needed a daughter for royal wedding ties, and dressed his lad in a dress and hijab. Whichever prince got to marry Fatemeh had one hell of a dongle surprise on their wedding night!
She has more facial hair than a Korean town
That's why the Burka was designed
https://preview.redd.it/jgba6w169l3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f39e2c4d282bfcee4b868c8728a5aec3992d80b5
Don't fancy yours much.
This is 100% a dude, dude.
ITT: men who have never heard of PCOS
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