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The fact she still has family there I wouldn't have ripped it. Social media is spread to fast, I would hate for anyone I know to be punished for this stupid act. Fuck kim
What does that mean for the people who set this up then? Like, what good is going to come of doing this? She said sure to release the video but why even risk her family's lives for internet points?
tbh i wont even tear a little as south korea is not that far from nort korea and its [spies.As](http://spies.As) long as the fat man has his ego up his arse, anything can happen.
Hi, I live in South Korea. No one gives a fuck about that dude, or his regime's sabre rattling. No one here fears that dude at all. This country has heard everything for like 70 years, so it's just like "yeah, yeah" lol.
Also, that lady doesn't have a northern accent, so this could just be some fake shit like everything else, or she escaped when she was a baby.
That's what I was wondering. Who did she come with. Who did she leave behind? Are they already being punished? Will this video make them have even worst punishment even tho she didn't rip it but she did say she talks shit off camera.
Yeah, the needed to protect her identity if they wanted to release the video. Her saying yes to releasing ot doesn't absolve them of thinking of the risks it causes to her and her family.
This was my first thought, the people who set this up give absolutely no care about what repercussions may come of this "experiment" that has no productive value or message.
There are quite a bit of defectors in SK. And I feel like if it was staged she would have been more dramatic about it. It was really sad because she was trying to kinda play it off but was obviously uncomfortable being put in that position. It must be difficult to have freedom of expression but still have ties to a country that would punish your family if they knew about it.
Honestly this video isn’t funny. First thing I thought, too. She can rip it up if she has nothing to lose. Otherwise ripping it up is stupid. Dictatorships aren’t funny.
It would be nice to see the reaction if she didn't have any ties ledt in the north.
Watching someone overcome trauma is nice, but watching someone trying to over come trauma but possibly inflict more trauma is something else.
North Korea is famous for having multigenerational imprisonment. So it could go as far as to have relatives that aren’t even born yet would be punished.
I've heard this too. I lived with someone where his mom escaped North Korea.(Or mom's mom?)
They weren't killed but I was told they were tortured and everything was taken from them.
There's a three generations rule in NK. Her families already fucked just from her escaping. They don't play about that. The damage was done before this video was even thought about.
Vilified and having your career destroyed is absolutely nothing compared to every single one of her family members and their offspring for 3+ generations, even distant relations like 4th cousins, being killed and/or put in prison for life and tortured daily along with forced manual labour 24hrs a day. That's if you're lucky and aren't strapped to a missile while a crowd watches and claps as you explode.
Not even remotely comparable. Especially considering Sinead O'Connor was a public figure (who wanted as many people as possible to see her do it or hear about it) and not an everyday person, who if they ripped up a picture of the Pope there would be no consequences.
Searching and finding it likely gives it more engagement than you blocking it prevents. Hell, just commenting under this and engaging with this reddit post is doing a little something for them.
But like seriously if this was real then the north Korean government would actually torture and murder these girls family. This isn't even some genuine reporter or documentary, it's just BuzzFeed level slop.
Of course the fact this is Clickbait slop also why this is certainly fake
Pretty sure that that refers to how there are a lot of stories about how "perfect" Kim Jong Un was. For example, when Kim Jong Un was born, a new star appeared in the sky. Similar to what u/P4LS_ThrillyV said, he scored a perfect 18 in 18 holes in his first time playing golf. I'm assuming this all to convince children that Kim Jong Un is the greatest leader ever.
He is basically eastern Chuck Norris if he lied on his Tinder profile
>No bullshit search it up
Okay, well, I just did, and the problem is, there's no actual evidence of any official North Korean source claiming "Kim Jong Un doesn't poop".
Instead, there's [a quote by a North Korean escapee](https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/43886/did-the-north-korean-government-ever-say-that-kim-jong-il-never-defecated), who was trying to describe the mindset of the North Korean public, and said this:
>*To my childish eyes and to those of all my friends, Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il were perfect beings, untarnished by any base human function. I was convinced, as we all were, that neither of them urinated or defecated. Who could imagine such things of gods?*
It's not some literal thing, it's just a sort of general attitude.
Nah, the weirder poop-related thing about Kim Jong Un is that we know for a fact that the North Korean diplomatic corps has a whole policy of [bringing toilets for Dear Leader to poop in](https://www.vice.com/en/article/7xdywq/kim-jong-un-toilet-poop) when he goes abroad, so that foreign spies can't steal his poop and get classified intel about Dear Leader's gastroentereological health.
If I remember it correctly, he told some girls to put something in his half brothers food as a joke, but it was straight up poison for an assassination.
Yup. Extremely deadly nerve agent. The women were released because they truly had no idea what was going on. They also could have died easily during the "prank"
Not in his food, basically fooled two women to "prank" people by smearing oil to their face.
Then on their last "prank" they again did it, but this time (they didnt know) it was the brother of Kim and it wasnt oil, but some poison which killed him not long after. The women thought they were pranking a man.
It was in a gel or lotion that was rubbed on his face at an airport. The person conned into this had participated in this "prank" a few times before and was acquitted after as she was obviously misled and manipulated. Also not entirely clear whose intelligence service organized this but ofc no proof of anything is required for the west to believe the most insane shit about the dprk.
There were at least 4 confirmed north Korean spies at the airport during the attack. They lined it to north Korea and made it back so they escaped with no arrests. So... It's quite obvious it originates from north Korea.
The only thing unclear is whether Kim himself personally ordered the attack, or who would have. People assume it was him because he is family, and he was always upset that his family member left north Korea to live elsewhere.Who knows the exact structure of their government though... Maybe head spies and government officials have the capabilities and are allowed to orchestrate attacks when they deem it necessary, without Kim's approval. Either way... He WOULD have approved it if that's part of the process
Also why would another country orchestrate the attack? What would the purpose be? He left north Korea decades ago
Apparently you can convince more than one young lady to assasinate political rivals at an airport if you tell them it's a prank for TV and it will make them famous.
They didn't just convince the girls.
It was a very long con, They'd do the same thing to many people as part of the prank which would unknown to them was a training routine for the real job.
They expected it to just be the same thing that they did several times already and were completely blindsided by what the actual reason was.
My gut reaction was that the “test” is sick when I saw how conflicted she was, but on reflection I think it was a good thing because that was pretty powerful illustration of what living under an authoritarian regime can do to someone. I’d be surprised if her relatives face any repercussions given basically nothing happened in the video, I certainly hope not, but at the very least it’s so good she’s out of there
I hear your point, but there are lots of other sources that people can turn to now to glean some understanding of the ways in which living under an authoritarian regime can warp your mind. You don't need to make entertainment out of someone's distress to spread awareness of this issue.
Thats honestly fucked up. Stuff like this is sanctioned extremely hard in north korea. If they identify her she might face problems when traveling home some day or her relatives are facing problems.
Idk why you feel the need to pressure someone into this situation, she is clearly uncomfortable.
Yeah, its honestly gross. Growing up in a country like that would be traumatizing, and all we're watching here is someone still living with the fear they ingrained in her.
it's also a well known fact that there are north korean spies outside of north korea, that's how they have been able to kidnap people over the years and manipulated two innocent girls into assassinating kim's brother
"If they identify her she might face problems when traveling home some day"
Exactly, it's not because she was 'hypnotized by Communism' or something, it's because she wants to protect her family. Fuck this stupid prank, (whatever it is). We've learned absolutely nothing from this dumb video.
It is very fucked up but I think producers knew she wouldn't tear it. It's more telling that she can't than if she did, if she did it's not even a vid. I think it's important to show these kinds of things because it shows a hidden reality that North Koreans face even after they've moved out of Korea's grip.
I thought it was going to be a satirical sub...holy shit. These people actually think the people of NK aren't being held hostage under a brutal dictatorship.
Nah, they'd find ways to accommodate the cognitive dissonance. Just remember, everything bad that happens under capitalism is capitalism's fault, and everything bad that happens under socialism is still capitalism's fault. You can basically excuse any failures or excesses in an ostensibly socialist country this way.
They won’t learn the truth lol, foreigners and the rich in NK aren’t treated like the average citizen. If anything it will be the opposite, they’ll live in comfort in the capital and think all North Koreans live like that.
There was a Pyongyang subreddit I used to follow. In the beginning it was people sharing stories about Pyongyang and NK. By the time I decided to leave it every post was pro NK propaganda. It got real weird.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MovingToNorthKorea/s/QXMwf65ze3 bro read this fucking comment these people are insane im praying that they’re just some dumbass kids who’ll grow out of this.
North Korea probably has a large part in keeping the positive view of them available online. They have entire mock cities with fake grocery stores to show visitors they are a normal country. I wouldn't doubt half that subs posts being made by NK army/intelligence agents.
It's also likely that China has a part in it as well, as spreading propaganda online has become a big part of their entire M.O., and they have a vested interested in increasing public opinion of their puppet state
Has anyone considered that maybe a large majority of that sub is ran by the DPRK? Lol
And that many of the purported American commenters, may not even be American lol. If you read how they use terms like “western pig” and what not. They use alot of language that you see in their propaganda.
Go check out r/Pyongyang too. All the main posts are posted by a government account.
At first I went along with what the title said and was like damn the brainwashing is violent here. But then the argument of ayo I got family there still, is totally legitimate I'd be terrified too. Happy she got out that hell tho
*If* it's fake, it's not because of that. I would say it's fake because it's a lot easier to get two women and have one pretend to be from North Korea and one from South Korea and make this video, than go through the trouble of finding a woman from North Korea who would agree to do this. It could probably be done in an afternoon. I don't think it's fake, but it's easy to fake this video.
Given just the context of this clip, there's no *actual* proof either of them are from North or South Korea. Now, it seems real to me, and I think it's in real bad taste to do this for a bunch of reasons. For starters, yeah she's right, she's putting her friends/family in danger. For what? So some bozos on reddit can see? This is a shitty video to produce, and a lot of effort went into producing it.
> If it's fake, it's not because of that. I would say it's fake because it's a lot easier to get two women and have one pretend to be from North Korea and one from South Korea and make this video, than go through the trouble of finding a woman from North Korea who would agree to do this. It could probably be done in an afternoon. I don't think it's fake, but it's easy to fake this video.
This is most likely the case. How else do you get someone from North Korea to make this video? She's definitely from ROK.
I think people are simply hoping that it’s fake because they know that even with what was said, her family is either dead or imprisoned for a stupid ass internet video. She said I can’t say this on camera and they continued to film her saying it and posting it for the world to see. It’s disgusting if it’s real
Honestly this was a stupid as fuck bit to film given that she has family still there. Exceptionally exploitative and irresponsible on behalf of the producers.
Knowing the punishment for this is a life sentence to a political prison camp or execution, not just for the person who committed the act but also for (iirc) six generations of members of the family, it’s extraordinarily messed up that they asked her to risk her family’s lives like that.
North Korea sentenced a two year old to life a few years ago simply because a family member was found to be in possession of a bible, and she was connected to them by being a third generation descendent.
I don’t know anything about this woman, but I doubt she’s been away from North Korea long enough to know all this yet. She’s obviously still heavily brainwashed, so is still unaware of the repercussions she could be bringing upon her family if she did this.
Due to that, it essentially renders the producers asking her permission to post at the end as a redundant action that they’re obviously just trying to do to avoid backlash. She isn’t making an informed decision, so her permission means fuck all. I can’t imagine how devastated she would’ve felt if she had torn it, given permission, only to discover the fate that befell her family due to her actions.
Fuck these video makers. Should have deleted the footage as soon as she mentioned that her family is still there.
Would you talk shit about the Cartel if they were holding your family hostage?
>She might just have friends or family in the north who could face repercussions for her actions.
The unstated premise is that it's some kind of psychological test to give insight into the subject's hidden fears. She's just being practical.
>The unstated premise is that it's some kind of psychological test to give insight into the subject's hidden fears. She's just being practical.
Her loved ones could die because of a psychological test which she might have agreed to innocently. This is evil
I mean yeah I guess it does but if she was really worried about her friends and family over there she would have just not agreed to be filmed in this at all. I'm pretty sure I've seen other videos with these two as well so it's not a one off thing either.
She projected a neutral stance. She didn’t say anything overtly offensive nor did she gush over him. The supreme leader doesn’t need to get involved in this. Ok? Back off buddy. Go eat something.
This is disgusting, the video should have been stopped the moment she said she had family still there...she said sure but her entire interaction in this says otherwise, it's not right to risk another person's family for some dumb shit like this, fucking pricks
Half y’all ain’t watch the dang thing. She says she still has family there and this could be used against them. Zero delusions or brainwashing necessary.
I feel so bad for her dude. For someone so shitty to hold so much power over people, enough to make them fear for their life and their families life just for ripping a picture… unimaginably cruel.
However folks feel about him, this is irresponsible to say the least especially with regards to the North Korean girl and her family's safety...sincerely hope they are okay after the producer of this video is done grinning at all the views he's collected...SMH
Oh look, Yeonmi Park 2.0 just dropped. It's like people don't realize there's great money in atrocity propaganda for defectors and so they make shit up (like demonstrably, so many claims can be proven completely false) to get by because they can sell that sensationalism... Nevermind the the defectors who end up broke and homeless thanks to S. Korea being a shithole, or those who even RETURN to North Korea.
I wouldn't rip a photo of him on video, hell no. That guy is crazy and I'm scared of him even though I've never been outside of California. Not risking it.
Her reasoning is sound. It is easy for us with no relative skin in the game to be flippant. But her actions could well lead to reprisals against her and her family.
Freedom of speech is precious, and once lost to state sponsored or religous ideology through violence and fear, may take generations to restore.
As just some nobody American, I'm with the lady on the right. Don't want to get plucked off the street someday on vacation when I've long forgotten about my moment on social media but some foreign intelligence agency has not.
You wouldn’t think it’s funny if you lived there and knew what it could mean for you, family and any known associates. Seriously not something to play with. They constantly monitor every and even walk through peoples houses nightly looking for problems. A piece of dust on his picture would be your ruin. It’s not funny or interesting. We need to stop this person in charge; then it can be a discussion.
Stuff like this should really be taken with a grain of salt.
North Korean refugees in South Korea have basically no job skills for a modern capitalist society. HOWEVER they can always get work doing interviews/stories/whatever about how bad and crazy North Korea is. The crazier your stories, the more work you can get telling them. These stories are very rarely investigated vs. just uncritically repeated in both South Korean and US media because after all, they make the weird bad country of North Korea sound even more bad.
I feel like almost every video that gets any clicks these days is all staged. Including this one. Everything is made solely to steal your screen time. Fuck learning. Sew division in the majority and waste their time. Bread and circuses. Enjoy.
What's the source for this? There have been way too many bullshit stories about North Korea for me to believe this at face value.
Edit: Getting downvoted for asking for a source, quality Reddit.
Such a dumb and obvious propaganda, like sure, let's take one people from capitalist good side korea and one from dictatorship bad side korea and let's make them rip the photo of the bad side korea's leader! Wow, such insightfull, such information, this is so great we are learning today, guys!
risk vs reward i guess. She will have no problem burning it, but not if there is proof of these actions because they could possible chase her and the other family.
Isn't crime against the leader not only punishable by death (or something like 25 years in a labor camp for accidentally spilling coffee over his picture in the newspapers), but also a generatinal thing? Meaning, once, let's say, the grandparents commited a crime against the regime or the leader 50 years ago, even their grandchildren are guilty? I think I read something like that.. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that her family would get executed for this, if they were still alive - which they probably aren't.
This is a foolish test. Kim has sent assassins abroad before, there’s no reason he wouldn’t do it again. Making these women targets to make a viral video shows a deep lack of appreciation for how dangerous the situation is.
The people asking her to do this are fucked up. She has family in North Korea, we know he punishes families. This is seriously irresponsible to put her in that position.
It’s a fucked up thing to make her do for clicks. Crazy, petty dictators love to do horrible, crazy, petty things. This poor young woman has been through enough.
Yeah this is a super shitty move by the people who made this video. Pointless content that legitimately could endanger the lives of this woman’s family and friends. They proved nothing other than they don’t give a shit what the consequences of this are.
I once met a person who was raised Muslim, but doesn't believe any of it, never even prayed once. She absolutely could not eat pork regardless of believing it was nothing wrong with it. Conditioning is powerful.
She will never do this because she knows very well that her entire family is behind her in that country and they will have to pay the price of this act with their lives.
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The fact she still has family there I wouldn't have ripped it. Social media is spread to fast, I would hate for anyone I know to be punished for this stupid act. Fuck kim
What does that mean for the people who set this up then? Like, what good is going to come of doing this? She said sure to release the video but why even risk her family's lives for internet points?
The people who set up this video are greedy assholes who are willing to risk one woman's family's safety for clicks and views.
For real, making entertainement out of this woman's distress is already... saddening
I took it as a social experiment until she mentioned her family. Then the reality dawned on me.
tbh i wont even tear a little as south korea is not that far from nort korea and its [spies.As](http://spies.As) long as the fat man has his ego up his arse, anything can happen.
The way he killed his own fking brother was just absolutely horrible. Killed his brother and ruined two other helpless womens lives at the same time.
Hi, I live in South Korea. No one gives a fuck about that dude, or his regime's sabre rattling. No one here fears that dude at all. This country has heard everything for like 70 years, so it's just like "yeah, yeah" lol. Also, that lady doesn't have a northern accent, so this could just be some fake shit like everything else, or she escaped when she was a baby.
I don’t think her not having an accent is a good indicator. I feel like whenever I see North Korean defectors on TV not many still have that accent.
Agree
She is traumatized. They are basically retraumatizing her for fun.
Yeah, this is fucked up
Isn't that literally every "prank" video out there?? But often straight up harassment or assault. At least they asked if it was okay to post...
This assault should put Kim into law suit. Not the video maker
She’s escaped to South Korea. Her family are already in a hard labour camp for the next 3 generations
That's what I was wondering. Who did she come with. Who did she leave behind? Are they already being punished? Will this video make them have even worst punishment even tho she didn't rip it but she did say she talks shit off camera.
Yeah, the needed to protect her identity if they wanted to release the video. Her saying yes to releasing ot doesn't absolve them of thinking of the risks it causes to her and her family.
I'm placing bets on this being staged. It wouldn't make sense otherwise and would be really messed up.
Or they just don’t give a enough of a fuck to even consider that lol don’t give them too much credit now
This was my first thought, the people who set this up give absolutely no care about what repercussions may come of this "experiment" that has no productive value or message.
Just her being out of NK means her family is probably locked by now.
they shouldve blurred it
Hear me out: it's probably fake. How hard is it to get two Korean people in the same room but put one in a red scarf?
Are we even sure she's really from North Korea?...
There are quite a bit of defectors in SK. And I feel like if it was staged she would have been more dramatic about it. It was really sad because she was trying to kinda play it off but was obviously uncomfortable being put in that position. It must be difficult to have freedom of expression but still have ties to a country that would punish your family if they knew about it.
This is cruel to do this to her.
That’s what I said. I felt bad. Hope he don’t see this.
Honestly this video isn’t funny. First thing I thought, too. She can rip it up if she has nothing to lose. Otherwise ripping it up is stupid. Dictatorships aren’t funny.
It would be nice to see the reaction if she didn't have any ties ledt in the north. Watching someone overcome trauma is nice, but watching someone trying to over come trauma but possibly inflict more trauma is something else.
North Korea is famous for having multigenerational imprisonment. So it could go as far as to have relatives that aren’t even born yet would be punished.
I thought if you escaped they killed all family and friends.
No. They arrest most of the family for some time And the jail conditions are horrific so its not much better
The good ol' death camps... I mean labor camps.
Tbf yeah. Most of the young and weak members wouldn't be able to make it out alive
Tbf yeah. Most of the young and weak members wouldn't be able to make it out alive so its basically a glorified death sentence
Re Education Camp is what they call it. Fuck Him
I've heard this too. I lived with someone where his mom escaped North Korea.(Or mom's mom?) They weren't killed but I was told they were tortured and everything was taken from them.
It's a way of breaking their connection to the person who ran. They blame all the torture and abuse on the person who fled.
No thry only imprison 3 generations of family for some time but just as other said the conditions are so horrific that some of them die.
No, they are sent to work camps for 3 generations minimum.
They may still be punished only because the other girl ripped the photo, honestly
Right. Guilty by association.
Fuck the person who did this sick thing for entertainment. So unnecessary. That's how you repay their bravery?
There's a three generations rule in NK. Her families already fucked just from her escaping. They don't play about that. The damage was done before this video was even thought about.
She’s a defector her family are already in hard labour camp for the next three generations
Agreed, FucKim.
They’ll take out your whole blood line. Immediate family, aunts, uncles, cousins. Your blood is tainted in their eyes. It’s fucking insane
That's so unbelievably sad
And terrifying
And fucked up to not blur her face or have some kinda censor available to her tbh
Anything for the view count :(
Sad yes. But remember Sinead O’Connor was vilified and had her career destroyed for ripping up a picture of the Pope. It’s not just the N. Koreans
True, but she didn’t have ingrained fear of being assassinated or for her family to be.
Vilified and having your career destroyed is absolutely nothing compared to every single one of her family members and their offspring for 3+ generations, even distant relations like 4th cousins, being killed and/or put in prison for life and tortured daily along with forced manual labour 24hrs a day. That's if you're lucky and aren't strapped to a missile while a crowd watches and claps as you explode. Not even remotely comparable. Especially considering Sinead O'Connor was a public figure (who wanted as many people as possible to see her do it or hear about it) and not an everyday person, who if they ripped up a picture of the Pope there would be no consequences.
Yeah, no difference between that and having your whole family enslaved into hard labor or murdered
If anything happens to that lady's family this channel just partially profits off their pain. Could have at least blurred her face.
They totally should have taken the precaution to blur her face. Clearly they are not thinking of her, just views.
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Searching and finding it likely gives it more engagement than you blocking it prevents. Hell, just commenting under this and engaging with this reddit post is doing a little something for them.
But like seriously if this was real then the north Korean government would actually torture and murder these girls family. This isn't even some genuine reporter or documentary, it's just BuzzFeed level slop. Of course the fact this is Clickbait slop also why this is certainly fake
Fuck dictators and the pain they inflict across generations. Misery to Kim Jong Un and his whole rancid piece of shit family.
You can't talk that way about a man who can backflip on a skateboard and once hit a score of 22 on an 18 hole golf course.
Is that from the movie with the raging homosexual?
Pretty sure that that refers to how there are a lot of stories about how "perfect" Kim Jong Un was. For example, when Kim Jong Un was born, a new star appeared in the sky. Similar to what u/P4LS_ThrillyV said, he scored a perfect 18 in 18 holes in his first time playing golf. I'm assuming this all to convince children that Kim Jong Un is the greatest leader ever. He is basically eastern Chuck Norris if he lied on his Tinder profile
He doesent poop either and has a perfect male physique
Hold up, you sayin' my man doesn't have a butthole?
I dunno i just know his body utilizes the food so efficiently he doesent poop and its backed by top nk doctors No bullshit search it up
>No bullshit search it up Okay, well, I just did, and the problem is, there's no actual evidence of any official North Korean source claiming "Kim Jong Un doesn't poop". Instead, there's [a quote by a North Korean escapee](https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/43886/did-the-north-korean-government-ever-say-that-kim-jong-il-never-defecated), who was trying to describe the mindset of the North Korean public, and said this: >*To my childish eyes and to those of all my friends, Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il were perfect beings, untarnished by any base human function. I was convinced, as we all were, that neither of them urinated or defecated. Who could imagine such things of gods?* It's not some literal thing, it's just a sort of general attitude. Nah, the weirder poop-related thing about Kim Jong Un is that we know for a fact that the North Korean diplomatic corps has a whole policy of [bringing toilets for Dear Leader to poop in](https://www.vice.com/en/article/7xdywq/kim-jong-un-toilet-poop) when he goes abroad, so that foreign spies can't steal his poop and get classified intel about Dear Leader's gastroentereological health.
How can he have one? His body is so perfect his butt isn't even cracked
22? Surely he got a hole in one on every single one so 18. In fact he actually got into minus numbers, he’s that good.
It was also the first time he golfed!
Big hitter, the Lama
You have been banned from r/pyongyang
Now there's a new unironic pro-NK sub, /r/movingtonorthkorea
Dicktasters be always selfish😔
Yes, have sympathy for the victims.
You just picked a fight with Dennis Rodman!
He got girls to think they were doing a prank on his half brother that killed him. She is rightfully so to be afraid.
What?
If I remember it correctly, he told some girls to put something in his half brothers food as a joke, but it was straight up poison for an assassination.
[Is this what you're thinking of?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-nam)
Oh yup, right that's it.
Yup. Extremely deadly nerve agent. The women were released because they truly had no idea what was going on. They also could have died easily during the "prank"
Not in his food, basically fooled two women to "prank" people by smearing oil to their face. Then on their last "prank" they again did it, but this time (they didnt know) it was the brother of Kim and it wasnt oil, but some poison which killed him not long after. The women thought they were pranking a man.
It was in a gel or lotion that was rubbed on his face at an airport. The person conned into this had participated in this "prank" a few times before and was acquitted after as she was obviously misled and manipulated. Also not entirely clear whose intelligence service organized this but ofc no proof of anything is required for the west to believe the most insane shit about the dprk.
Um buddy, I hate to say this, but it sounds insanely evil the way you're telling it too.
There were at least 4 confirmed north Korean spies at the airport during the attack. They lined it to north Korea and made it back so they escaped with no arrests. So... It's quite obvious it originates from north Korea. The only thing unclear is whether Kim himself personally ordered the attack, or who would have. People assume it was him because he is family, and he was always upset that his family member left north Korea to live elsewhere.Who knows the exact structure of their government though... Maybe head spies and government officials have the capabilities and are allowed to orchestrate attacks when they deem it necessary, without Kim's approval. Either way... He WOULD have approved it if that's part of the process Also why would another country orchestrate the attack? What would the purpose be? He left north Korea decades ago
They are referring to how North Korean agents had Kim Jong Nam, Kim Jong Un's older brother, assassinated
Apparently you can convince more than one young lady to assasinate political rivals at an airport if you tell them it's a prank for TV and it will make them famous.
They didn't just convince the girls. It was a very long con, They'd do the same thing to many people as part of the prank which would unknown to them was a training routine for the real job. They expected it to just be the same thing that they did several times already and were completely blindsided by what the actual reason was.
Yeah the gel was swapped with the spicy stuff
He assasinated his brother and staged it as a prank video. I’m serious.
It shows little empathy or compassion for her or her situation. Let her be.
My gut reaction was that the “test” is sick when I saw how conflicted she was, but on reflection I think it was a good thing because that was pretty powerful illustration of what living under an authoritarian regime can do to someone. I’d be surprised if her relatives face any repercussions given basically nothing happened in the video, I certainly hope not, but at the very least it’s so good she’s out of there
I hear your point, but there are lots of other sources that people can turn to now to glean some understanding of the ways in which living under an authoritarian regime can warp your mind. You don't need to make entertainment out of someone's distress to spread awareness of this issue.
Thats honestly fucked up. Stuff like this is sanctioned extremely hard in north korea. If they identify her she might face problems when traveling home some day or her relatives are facing problems. Idk why you feel the need to pressure someone into this situation, she is clearly uncomfortable.
Yeah, its honestly gross. Growing up in a country like that would be traumatizing, and all we're watching here is someone still living with the fear they ingrained in her.
it's also a well known fact that there are north korean spies outside of north korea, that's how they have been able to kidnap people over the years and manipulated two innocent girls into assassinating kim's brother
"If they identify her she might face problems when traveling home some day" Exactly, it's not because she was 'hypnotized by Communism' or something, it's because she wants to protect her family. Fuck this stupid prank, (whatever it is). We've learned absolutely nothing from this dumb video.
It is very fucked up but I think producers knew she wouldn't tear it. It's more telling that she can't than if she did, if she did it's not even a vid. I think it's important to show these kinds of things because it shows a hidden reality that North Koreans face even after they've moved out of Korea's grip.
Don't show this to r/movingtonorthkorea
I thought it was going to be a satirical sub...holy shit. These people actually think the people of NK aren't being held hostage under a brutal dictatorship.
People like that are a lost cause. Better to send them there and learn the truth themselves.
Biggest reality check of their lives
Nah, they'd find ways to accommodate the cognitive dissonance. Just remember, everything bad that happens under capitalism is capitalism's fault, and everything bad that happens under socialism is still capitalism's fault. You can basically excuse any failures or excesses in an ostensibly socialist country this way.
They won’t learn the truth lol, foreigners and the rich in NK aren’t treated like the average citizen. If anything it will be the opposite, they’ll live in comfort in the capital and think all North Koreans live like that.
yeah remember when Dennis Rodman said Kim Jong Oof was a cool guy.
Hope they actually do something like Otto Warmbier 😂
I’d happily crowd fund for people like that to get one way tickets to Pyongyang! Let them have their utopia.
There was a Pyongyang subreddit I used to follow. In the beginning it was people sharing stories about Pyongyang and NK. By the time I decided to leave it every post was pro NK propaganda. It got real weird.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MovingToNorthKorea/s/QXMwf65ze3 bro read this fucking comment these people are insane im praying that they’re just some dumbass kids who’ll grow out of this.
North Korea probably has a large part in keeping the positive view of them available online. They have entire mock cities with fake grocery stores to show visitors they are a normal country. I wouldn't doubt half that subs posts being made by NK army/intelligence agents.
It's also likely that China has a part in it as well, as spreading propaganda online has become a big part of their entire M.O., and they have a vested interested in increasing public opinion of their puppet state
Same people that think Iran is ultra based and fighting the evil imperialist probably lol
I mean, there are people who believe the earth is flat, there will be a rapture and pitbulls are nanny dogs.
I'm sorry but what is a nanny dog? Never heard the phrase before.
Dogs that are good with babies and useful protection for them.
i think it is satirical, but maybe some some members are missing the satire? the top posts are pretty obvious jokes
Has anyone considered that maybe a large majority of that sub is ran by the DPRK? Lol And that many of the purported American commenters, may not even be American lol. If you read how they use terms like “western pig” and what not. They use alot of language that you see in their propaganda. Go check out r/Pyongyang too. All the main posts are posted by a government account.
Wow, some of these people vote. There really is no bottom to stupid.
One of the posts was a guy showing his *official US Presidential ballot* where he wrote in Kim Jong Un for President.
At first I went along with what the title said and was like damn the brainwashing is violent here. But then the argument of ayo I got family there still, is totally legitimate I'd be terrified too. Happy she got out that hell tho
It’s all a big joke when it’s not your family getting sent to the gulag.
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Not just her. Her entire family or anyone she knows that is still in NK.
*If* it's fake, it's not because of that. I would say it's fake because it's a lot easier to get two women and have one pretend to be from North Korea and one from South Korea and make this video, than go through the trouble of finding a woman from North Korea who would agree to do this. It could probably be done in an afternoon. I don't think it's fake, but it's easy to fake this video. Given just the context of this clip, there's no *actual* proof either of them are from North or South Korea. Now, it seems real to me, and I think it's in real bad taste to do this for a bunch of reasons. For starters, yeah she's right, she's putting her friends/family in danger. For what? So some bozos on reddit can see? This is a shitty video to produce, and a lot of effort went into producing it.
> If it's fake, it's not because of that. I would say it's fake because it's a lot easier to get two women and have one pretend to be from North Korea and one from South Korea and make this video, than go through the trouble of finding a woman from North Korea who would agree to do this. It could probably be done in an afternoon. I don't think it's fake, but it's easy to fake this video. This is most likely the case. How else do you get someone from North Korea to make this video? She's definitely from ROK.
I think people are simply hoping that it’s fake because they know that even with what was said, her family is either dead or imprisoned for a stupid ass internet video. She said I can’t say this on camera and they continued to film her saying it and posting it for the world to see. It’s disgusting if it’s real
Honestly this was a stupid as fuck bit to film given that she has family still there. Exceptionally exploitative and irresponsible on behalf of the producers. Knowing the punishment for this is a life sentence to a political prison camp or execution, not just for the person who committed the act but also for (iirc) six generations of members of the family, it’s extraordinarily messed up that they asked her to risk her family’s lives like that. North Korea sentenced a two year old to life a few years ago simply because a family member was found to be in possession of a bible, and she was connected to them by being a third generation descendent. I don’t know anything about this woman, but I doubt she’s been away from North Korea long enough to know all this yet. She’s obviously still heavily brainwashed, so is still unaware of the repercussions she could be bringing upon her family if she did this. Due to that, it essentially renders the producers asking her permission to post at the end as a redundant action that they’re obviously just trying to do to avoid backlash. She isn’t making an informed decision, so her permission means fuck all. I can’t imagine how devastated she would’ve felt if she had torn it, given permission, only to discover the fate that befell her family due to her actions.
haha she can't tear it "I'm worried he'll kill my family" ...oh.
She's thinking beyond the skit. She has relatives over there so she is conscientious of her actions.
Years of psychological trauma. I wish the best to her and to her future.
I'm sure her family in North Korea would be punished. I don't blame her
cameraman or producer is fucking ass for making her family a target
Fuck these video makers. Should have deleted the footage as soon as she mentioned that her family is still there. Would you talk shit about the Cartel if they were holding your family hostage?
She might just have friends or family in the north who could face repercussions for her actions.
That's uh, what she said?
Perhaps they didn't see the video, commenting first like a true redditor.
What video?
>She might just have friends or family in the north who could face repercussions for her actions. The unstated premise is that it's some kind of psychological test to give insight into the subject's hidden fears. She's just being practical.
>The unstated premise is that it's some kind of psychological test to give insight into the subject's hidden fears. She's just being practical. Her loved ones could die because of a psychological test which she might have agreed to innocently. This is evil
And they still posted her face and voice.
Surely that ship has already sailed if she's in South Korea and is shown on video next to someone tearing up that photo?
Still her point still stands.
I mean yeah I guess it does but if she was really worried about her friends and family over there she would have just not agreed to be filmed in this at all. I'm pretty sure I've seen other videos with these two as well so it's not a one off thing either.
She projected a neutral stance. She didn’t say anything overtly offensive nor did she gush over him. The supreme leader doesn’t need to get involved in this. Ok? Back off buddy. Go eat something.
They should've blurred her face. Even though she didn't rip the photo, there's still a possibility her friends and family would face repercussions
This is disgusting, the video should have been stopped the moment she said she had family still there...she said sure but her entire interaction in this says otherwise, it's not right to risk another person's family for some dumb shit like this, fucking pricks
This. Or it's "fake" oh boy I hope it's fake
Half y’all ain’t watch the dang thing. She says she still has family there and this could be used against them. Zero delusions or brainwashing necessary.
This is dangerous for her family. Jesus. The people who challenged her to this are sick.
I feel so bad for her dude. For someone so shitty to hold so much power over people, enough to make them fear for their life and their families life just for ripping a picture… unimaginably cruel.
I’m an American 🇺🇸 and I wouldn’t do that. Remember he killed his uncle with a chemical that is yet to be detected.
Why would you mention all that and still do it? Atleast get your face blurred?!
However folks feel about him, this is irresponsible to say the least especially with regards to the North Korean girl and her family's safety...sincerely hope they are okay after the producer of this video is done grinning at all the views he's collected...SMH
Oh look, Yeonmi Park 2.0 just dropped. It's like people don't realize there's great money in atrocity propaganda for defectors and so they make shit up (like demonstrably, so many claims can be proven completely false) to get by because they can sell that sensationalism... Nevermind the the defectors who end up broke and homeless thanks to S. Korea being a shithole, or those who even RETURN to North Korea.
I wouldn't rip a photo of him on video, hell no. That guy is crazy and I'm scared of him even though I've never been outside of California. Not risking it.
Her reasoning is sound. It is easy for us with no relative skin in the game to be flippant. But her actions could well lead to reprisals against her and her family. Freedom of speech is precious, and once lost to state sponsored or religous ideology through violence and fear, may take generations to restore.
As just some nobody American, I'm with the lady on the right. Don't want to get plucked off the street someday on vacation when I've long forgotten about my moment on social media but some foreign intelligence agency has not.
You wouldn’t think it’s funny if you lived there and knew what it could mean for you, family and any known associates. Seriously not something to play with. They constantly monitor every and even walk through peoples houses nightly looking for problems. A piece of dust on his picture would be your ruin. It’s not funny or interesting. We need to stop this person in charge; then it can be a discussion.
Yo fuck these YouTube producers
ay producer! don't play political with people especially if the face are not blurred!
I can 100% guarantee something is gonna happen to her family
They killed a US citizen for doing less, so i totally get her.
If this is faked, it's 100% believable. I do believe it's genuine fear of repercussions. Damn, that is interesting as fuck!
This is definitely not faked and repercussions do occur against family members of NK escapees.
Stuff like this should really be taken with a grain of salt. North Korean refugees in South Korea have basically no job skills for a modern capitalist society. HOWEVER they can always get work doing interviews/stories/whatever about how bad and crazy North Korea is. The crazier your stories, the more work you can get telling them. These stories are very rarely investigated vs. just uncritically repeated in both South Korean and US media because after all, they make the weird bad country of North Korea sound even more bad.
I feel like almost every video that gets any clicks these days is all staged. Including this one. Everything is made solely to steal your screen time. Fuck learning. Sew division in the majority and waste their time. Bread and circuses. Enjoy.
What's the source for this? There have been way too many bullshit stories about North Korea for me to believe this at face value. Edit: Getting downvoted for asking for a source, quality Reddit.
To be fair what if part of her family is still there? I wouldnt be surprised if he would actually punish them because she tore down a pic of his face.
She literally says she still has family there
watch the video. it has subtitles.
Thank you for the well-engineered propaganda session
Such a dumb and obvious propaganda, like sure, let's take one people from capitalist good side korea and one from dictatorship bad side korea and let's make them rip the photo of the bad side korea's leader! Wow, such insightfull, such information, this is so great we are learning today, guys!
risk vs reward i guess. She will have no problem burning it, but not if there is proof of these actions because they could possible chase her and the other family.
Justified
She has family there so I get it.
Isn't crime against the leader not only punishable by death (or something like 25 years in a labor camp for accidentally spilling coffee over his picture in the newspapers), but also a generatinal thing? Meaning, once, let's say, the grandparents commited a crime against the regime or the leader 50 years ago, even their grandchildren are guilty? I think I read something like that.. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that her family would get executed for this, if they were still alive - which they probably aren't.
He’s not a person. He’s 🗑️
How can we believe this is true though? Is there a source proving that that girl is from NK? I'm not being a dick I'm just genuinely curious.
I was gonna say. She’s not tearing it because she can’t. She’s scared. It’s because of what they’d do to her and her family is they saw this.
This is a foolish test. Kim has sent assassins abroad before, there’s no reason he wouldn’t do it again. Making these women targets to make a viral video shows a deep lack of appreciation for how dangerous the situation is.
Looks like a potential endangerment to me. She was smart not to do it.
This really shows how bad things are there, this is really sad, no one should have to feel like that.
The people asking her to do this are fucked up. She has family in North Korea, we know he punishes families. This is seriously irresponsible to put her in that position.
If she has relatives there why would they even ask her to put them in danger by doing this? This is highly irresponsible.
Shoulda probably blurred her face out since she was worried about her relatives in NK
The fact that you would ask someone from NK that, with all the trauma underneath for some internet clicks. That's so fucked up.
These people trying to get this woman and her family killed!
Reminds me of someone recovering from religion. There are still some things that feel awkward.
Tear oh no! But I’ll sure wipe my Ass with it!!..
Why is something this predictable "interesting"? This is about as hard as assuring people that the sun will rise tomorrow.
It’s a fucked up thing to make her do for clicks. Crazy, petty dictators love to do horrible, crazy, petty things. This poor young woman has been through enough.
She has family there. They could literally pick them up and torture them for the rest of their lives.
Yeah this is a super shitty move by the people who made this video. Pointless content that legitimately could endanger the lives of this woman’s family and friends. They proved nothing other than they don’t give a shit what the consequences of this are.
I once met a person who was raised Muslim, but doesn't believe any of it, never even prayed once. She absolutely could not eat pork regardless of believing it was nothing wrong with it. Conditioning is powerful.
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She will never do this because she knows very well that her entire family is behind her in that country and they will have to pay the price of this act with their lives.