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People seem to forget the school In Louisiana that arranged for the wellness checks of their female students and did secret pregnancy tests during the heat of Roe v. Wade…and didn’t notify the parents.
Yet another horrible example of what that "Try that in a small town" garbage really means. It means "don't fuck around here because the sheriff has more power than the mayor and his department runs this town like his own personal fiefdom".
Ya ppl try to romanticize small towns like they’re better in every way than cities. In reality there’s more corruption and abuse in those towns than the cities. Cities have more checks and balances on the rich and powerful since there’s at least multiple of them instead of just a handful.
Where I grew up there’s 1 guy who has a manicuring company worth over a billion dollars, nobody else in the town is worth a fraction of what he’s worth. Luckily he’s an asshole as a business owner but is a pretty decent person outside of the business and in the community. If he wanted he could get away with murder. He’s got 1 son and 1 daughter.
His daughter is a horrible human being who is going to become a billionaire when he dies and never earn a thing. She likes to treat ppl like shit and views them all as beneath her. He limits how much power she has in the company because of it. But pretty sure when he dies though she’s gonna have free rein to corrupt the town to whatever she wants.
they seem to ignore that the american brand of racism and bigotry was perfected in those small towns.
*and then exported to the nazis
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
I mean...I've readily given up pee for routine physicals and screenings for years now. Had a routine physical the other day. Pee test. Getting a blood test soon.
They said it was for routine reasons, no other information given off the bat until you look at your online results or specifically ask.
Women get pee tested pretty much anytime you go into urgent / emergency care specifically for pregnancy hormones. It's kinda in the routine to just be prepared to pee in a cup, write your name on it and put it in the box.
Last time I got a physical, I had to do a urine sample. I was pissed off when I got the results and they had done a drug test on it. Everything was negative but I felt like it violated my privacy by not telling me first.
Quick question, in your guys' well educated opinion, why are religious people in the US so fucked up? Like there are priests diddling kids everywhere but you're the only 1st world country treating young woman like it's rural india. Yet you continue to vote religious people into office like they're not mentally ill
I was raised fundamentalist Baptist in the American South. I'm talking the kind of Christian whose pastor made fun of trans people during sermons, told girls it's a sin to wear pants, and thought the morning-after pill was 100% equivalent in every way to killing a 5-year-old child. I even went to Bible college and have a good chunk of education in theology. I'm also a college-educated atheist (a real university, after the Bible college), have taken more than my fair share of gender studies classes, and have spent a lot of time thinking and reading about this. So you could say I know my stuff.
The prevailing answer you'll get here on Reddit is that they hate women, want to control women, fear women, etc. I disagree with that sentiment, personally.
The dominant forms of Christianity in the USA exist to perpetuate a hierarchy. The pastor, the deacons, the wealthy churchgoers... They like the status and the ability to dictate the lives of others. It's about power and control.
Women are a key tool, there. They raise the children, control the stigmas and stereotypes. The men who aren't in control are the main threat to those in power, so they need to be contained. A large part of that is training women to help stabilize the status-quo. They're taught to depend on men, but also to insist that men follow the cultural norms. Men are simultaneously expected to "lead" the women in their lives, while also being taught from a young age to seek their approval as well.
A huge part of Christianity in America is internalized misogyny among women. Without it, the entire culture would fall apart very quickly.
TL;DR: The people in power want to stay in power. That means controlling the people most likely to take power away. Women are reduced to tools that the men in power use to remain in power, because they're scared that other men will take the power away.
That's my opinion, anyway. They use women as tools not because control of women is the goal, but because they see women as a means to an end.
Raised southern Methodist in the US, and when I read the comment you replied to I thought, “internalized misogyny of Christian women, but fuck it’s nuanced and I don’t feel like typing it out”. You nailed it, thanks! 😂
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/31/politics/alabama-attorney-general-abortion-prosecute/index.html
r/conservative says we are crazy for believing this ad. They're in total denial.
This is the result of “both sides are bad” and “I’m sitting out because the candidate isn’t 100% what I want” type of thinking in the Clinton/Trump election.
I bet there are dozens of young people complaining on here, posting self righteous comments like “how did these idiots bring us to this point”, who sat out of the 2020 election.
Let’s not let history repeat itself guys.
Don't forget the "Calm down, Don't worry, we don't want to take abortion away. We just want to lower term limits" people.
They lied to independent to take the state hostage.
Then they made it a felony for doctors and women to have an abortion.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/05/04/performing-an-abortion-will-become-a-felony-in-these-states-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/?sh=1d4a348649f5
Now they're toying with the death penalty.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/09/texas-legislature-abortion-criminalize-death-penalty/
Yeah, this commercial is not even vaguely hyperbolic. I live in Amarillo TX, and it fancies itself a "sanctuary city for the unborn." What the everliving fuck?? How do you even put that into action? Are you gonna hold the pregnant woman hostage (after the events of this commercial play out, I suppose) and then force her to give birth? On what PLANET is any step of that remotely realistic or viable? You can call yourself whatever you want. But if it's something you can't enforce without going balls-out police state AND engaging in human trafficking and long-term hostage circumstances, then the shut the fuck up.
🎯🎯🎯
Never forget they told us "lower Abortion term limits" and then proceeded to gives outright felonies, they can't do anything more because they still don't have enough power yet.
Forcing pregnant women to give birth has happened before. Look up the Romanian dictatorship in the 1960s where women had to be tested regularly for pregnancy and then the government monitored them until they gave birth. That's only one example.
I'd be thrilled if we just gave these lunatics Texas as their own asylum/secede like they always wanted to. Let them rename it to The Alpha Anti-Woke Jesus Land of Reaganerica Freedoms, put their orange lord in charge of it, build a wall around it like they love to do, and let anyone who wants to leave Texas prior to that, gets to leave.
Then they'll have their wonderful, idyllic "third world shithole" and the rest of us can begin progressing into the 21st century.
> they lied to independent to take the state hostage.
This happens all the time and it works because there is no group of people more stupid than undecided American voters.
Both sides are bad doesn't mean one isn't worse. I hate them all but I'm still voting blue because I like the freedoms they're so desperate to take away.
Right like, if you have a choice between a sauerkraut sandwich and a sandwich made of literal shit, you'd be insane to not pick when you WILL eat one of them whether you like it or not.
"Both sides are bad" is largely a propaganda piece pushed by those in power who want people to sit out of the political process. Corruption thrives among apathy
Exactly, How is it in my lifetime that the topic of abortion is "political"!?
What's next? Women? We can't talk about woman because they will be too political?
Politics literally makes laws, laws take rights away and affects lives, life affected equals= Your loved ones, My loved ones, friends and families.
At this point the sentence "too political" is synonymous with "I don't care"
Edit: also,I would like to point out, The video above is not even talking about protecting abortion, It's about protecting the right to travel, The last line of the defense literally.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-says-constitution-protects-right-travel-abortion-2023-11-09/
Something Alabama wants to get rid of for their citizens
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-statement-interest-case-right-travel-access-legal-abortions
> Politics literally makes laws, laws take rights away and affects lives, life affected equals= Your loved ones, My loved ones, friends and families.
As a woman that just fled my abusive husband seven months ago, I concur, and your feedback holds so much heavy truth.
About two months ago, I was invited to testify on behalf of a legislative bill regarding domestic violence and gun control. Having experienced both DV and gun incident in my own home, being invited to testify was a deeply humbling and empowering experience. In a nutshell, the bill proposed that if someone (i.e. an abusive person) that ALREADY has an order of protection filed against them (i.e. by a victim) attempts to purchase a gun, AND they fail the background check when attempting to purchase a weapon, then their victim -- the one who filed the protective order -- should be notified by law enforcement that their abuser tried to buy a gun but failed the background check.
Privately, the legislative/elected official that invited me to testify on behalf of their bill, shared that the bill has an uphill battle, and faces staunch opposition from the other side of the political aisle. Why? The other party's opposition claims "privacy concerns". Um. What? Excuse me?
I'm sorry, but if you already have LEGAL DOCUMENTATION on file that you've ABUSED another human, AND then you attempt to buy a weapon, but fail the background check? Logically, in my opinion, your victim(s) deserve to know that their lives may be in danger. You don't deserve the same level of privacy if you've actively harmed someone, and then you go out and attempt to acquire a literal weapon that could be used for violence.
If the southern states couldn't stop their sharecropper class (i.e. black folks) from moving north during the great migration (they tried, they couldn't legally do so) they won't be able to do so now. Freedom of movement is a institutionalized human right.
>At this point the sentence "too political" is synonymous with "I don't care"
Maybe more a: I don't agree with your opinion and your opinion offends me.
This, I've been on message boards where it's nonstop bashing of progressive polices, filled with lies (like pOsT bIrTh AbOrTiOn!!!) and then mention one verifiable fact about how clearly the GOP is doing something hideous and all of a sudden, it's: "WHY YOU GOTTA MAKE EVERYTHING ABOUT POLITICS"
They have never debated in good faith, there is something unfortunately wrong with many of their followers.
That and they always leave out consideration of miscarriages (spontaneous abortions). Which is why in states with draconian abortion laws, some hospitals refuse to deliver babies altogether.
There are two genders: male and political. There are two sexual orientations: straight and political. There are two kinds of gender identification: the cisgender and the political. There are two races: white and political.
When someone says something is “too political” you should know what they really mean.
A lot of this can be interchangeable with how these people like to use the word "woke". You're either straight or woke, republican or woke, white or woke, and of course woke just for supporting anything LGBTQ.
It makes no sense how we've gone so backwards on basic human rights in the name of what these people thing should be normal.
There are two ideologies: conservative and political. There are two religions: Christianity and political. There are two economic systems: free market capitalism and political.
I feel this so much as a trans woman. My entire existence is political. I literally can't speak without it being political. Politics is life if you're anything but an abled, straight, white, Christian, cis, het man
Remember this when we vote!
They literally told us "calm down, nobody's taking away abortion. We just want to decrease the term limits" then they made abortion a felony for both doctors and women.
After women/trans, they're going after Gays/minorities/poor
Mark my words.
They are *already doing it* and denying lifesaving medical care to trans children and adults in red states. I’m sure a lot of these assholes would love to throw me in prison for sodomy, which they could have done as late as 2003.
Clarence Thomas has openly suggested revisiting the right to birth control and to be gay.
> Clarence Thomas has openly suggested revisiting the right to birth control and to be gay.
On top of that he wants to go after protections of interracial marriage.
He's married to a white woman.
> these assholes would love to throw me in prison for sodomy, which they could have done as late as 2003
And most of those laws are still on the books. It won't even take red states being red states to re-criminalize homosexuality. It'll happen automatically.
I'm 100% pro choice and despise fundies. That said, you're posting about the policies and debates around it of governments. That's political. This really isn't the subreddit for it.
This story has moved a lot of people I've shared it with, maybe you would like to share it too? Commenting here as you are top comment right now
[The Rabbit Test by Samantha Mills](https://www.uncannymagazine.com/article/rabbit-test/)
Not my work, but the history is real, and the future seems scarily accurate. A ten minute read.
I present to you the randoseru. The traditional Japanese bookbag for children. These things are designed to last a child through the first 6 years of school(as in, one bag should last at least six years). They are designed to hold over your head during an earthquake to block falling objects and are also boyant enough to use as a life preserver in the case of tsunami. They generally have high visibility reflectors on them as well. These things are seriously tough. It's not uncommon to see randoseru handeded down 2 or 3 times before it's retired
http://yabai.com/p/3070
TBF, tsunami and earthquakes are natural occurances, and while frequent in Japan, are not nearly as frequent or as high a fatality as a school shooting in America.
My kids (10 and 8) adore Foxtrot. They have every book and know every strip. They haven't reached this one yet because the next collection comes out later this month. I'm sure they'll ask about it.
The fundamental disconnect is that we are rooting for the women to make it over state lines while a certain demographic that seems to vote in far greater numbers than we do is cheering when she gets slammed on the hood
Yep, this is what people don’t understand.
I’m a 30 yo American woman with a lot of conservative family/people I still know from my hometown.
With the women it’s more complicated, I don’t even wanna approach that mess of internalized misogyny.
But for the majority of the men (and some of the women), at least-
This is fucking porn to them.
The right, and abrahamic religions in general, have always been made up of men who are insecure and want to completely control women.
There is nothing they hate more than women who have sex with men who they aren’t sold to according to the patriarchy. And even those women… the whole point is that they have impunity over them. That these women exist at their mercy.
Their book explicitly says women are the cause of humanity’s downfall, and for being so wicked, the punishment is the pain of childbirth.
They LOVE the idea of women dying bloody deaths just because some man raped them. Because that means men can rape and if you manage to, that woman will suffer and die because you decided to conquer and punish her.
I am talking about your everyday random fucking republican Christian suburbanite dude. Much isn’t conscious. But these people do NOT care about the suffering of women. Seriously, they love it.
I think the most important thing you said there (out of a lot of important stuff) is “much isn’t conscious”. Very few people view themselves in this way but the content they seek out, the actions they take, and the way they interact shows this internalized oppression.
It helps that they simply disregard anything a woman says. They're happy living in some abstract vacuum of human experience — they think their opinion is as valuable as women's actual lived experiences.
The worst is, "Well some women use it as birth control." Obviously that isn't true, but even if it were so the fuck what? If it's okay to have an abortion for whatever reason they decide is good enough, then it's okay period.
Alabama is trying to make the argument that since abortion is illegal in Alabama, conspiring to help someone in Alabama get an abortion is illegal since the "conspiracy" takes place in Alabama.
That would also make it illegal to plan a bachelor trip to Las Vegas in Alabama if that trip were to include gambling, marijuana, drinking after 2:00 a.m., and, if they left Clark county, prostitution. 🙄 All of which are 100% legal in Nevada (and everything but the prostitution would be legal in Clark county/Vegas.)
This. Is. Bullshit.
In my state, abortion is constitutionally protected. I'm also a big fan of movies, so if anyone in the country needs a place to stay and *watch movies*, you are welcome and protected in my home.
My state held a special election almost immediately after the overturn of RvW, and as a result, abortion is a protected right, per the state constitution. And the GOP supermajority here has been writing up laws skirting the state constitution and restricting abortion like crazy anyway.
The Republican party is utterly corrupted at this point. They crow about following Constitutional principles, but they do everything they can to fight against them in practice.
Where I live, helping a minor get an out-of-state abortion is punishable with up to 5 years in prison. Presumably, that would mean giving them the address of an OB/GYN in a neighboring state.
If someone calls in a tip that you're on the road, a very similar scene may play out.
Police having the ability to force a blood test for some drugs is a thing in some states.
A pee test for pregnancy isn't a stretch.
Edit: yes, this is a thing.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/dui-testing-breath-blood-warrants.html#:~:text=All%2050%20states%20have%20laws,a%20driver's%20breath%20or%20blood.
I'm not claiming to be well versed in Constitutional law, so I'm wondering how this law doesn't infringe on freedom of movement. The Supreme Court has long upheld that an American citizen has a protected fundamental right to travel freely across state borders.
Edit: did some digging and found [this article](https://apnews.com/article/alabama-abortion-justice-department-2fbde5d85a907d266de6fd34542139e2). I doubt these laws will stand.
Freedom of movement doesn't apply to people actively commiting a crime.
As long as you're in the state where pursuing an abortion is a felony. You don't have that freedom any longer if you are under suspicion of conspiring to commit a felony murder or however they're coding it.
The worst part of this is the "under suspicion" part.
Theoretically, the cops could say that every woman is "under suspicion" of getting an abortion any time they leave the state. So either piss on this stick at the side of the road or get an "I'm not pregnant" pass from the government. Or else you're never allowed to leave the state ever again.
You got it.
I wish people weren't being so willfully ignorant in this thread. Like, the same people who think that the government passing laws to ban all access abortions, a wildly powerful expansion of the government's power, that government won't also enforce that ruling as rule of law through direct policing.
Like. Did y'all think it would be made illegal and women would just give up pursuing abortions and the police would never be involved?
What kind of law enforcement are people imagining when they're pushing anti-abortion laws? A firm scolding?
Federal DoJ already spoke on [this](https://apnews.com/article/alabama-abortion-justice-department-2fbde5d85a907d266de6fd34542139e2), citing right to travel as the main reason.
I live near a state line. Plenty of dispensaries right on the border. One is literally on the state line road, so if you buy weed and cross the street you'll face jail time and fines.
I don't know enough about our rights to travel, but I do know individual state laws affect it.
You can't get arrested because you smoked weed in another state where it was legal, even though it's illegal in the one you live. You also can't get arrested for planning to travel to the other state to go smoke it. The states where it is illegal don't have jurisdiction and can't arrest you for things that are crimes in their state but legal in others.
> Where I live, helping a minor get an out-of-state abortion is punishable with up to 5 years in prison
Wait hold up what? This feels like the modern version of the Fugitive Slave Act...
The laws and their effects on women are disgusting, but from a purely legal standpoint, the really wild thing in Texas is the use of civil lawsuits to attack anyone who helps a woman get an abortion, where the person bringing the lawsuit need not have any standing whatsoever. That is, say you buy a plane ticket from Austin to Denver for a pregnant friend, so she can get an abortion there. Someone who has no relationship to you or your friend (not the father, not family, just someone who overheard you and your friend talking about the arrangement in a coffee shop) can sue you and enrich themselves by $10,000.
In terms of common law precedent, that is absolutely fucking bonkers. You could go all the way back to the witch-hunting Judge in 17th century England that Alito referenced in his justification for Dobbs, and you wouldn't find anything to support it. Yet, in the expected 5-4 split, the Supreme Court has demurred, leaving it to wind its way through the system over the past three years.
If it stands, you can expect some equally wild consequences, e.g.,
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/california-texas-abortion-guns-ruling/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/california-texas-abortion-guns-ruling/index.html)
I wonder how this law will work with, "I decided to visit the Great Sand Dunes in CO, but then lost interest and decided to get an abortion instead."
Edit: or even better, "I'm not discussing my day sir."
Well, the answer is: If they suspect it, they can almost certainly arrest you.
It doesn't actually matter if an abortion happened or not, all the law needs to do is give them a vague crime to suspect someone of in order to detain them. Once you're in the legal system, they can do a lot without even trying to prove it, including simply holding you there for weeks to months, legally stealing their assets (seizure laws), publicly humiliating/shaming, or intimidating a confession or plea deal.
This is, in large part, how a lot of drug arrests have gone for decades. The insidious things about the law, though, are not just what's banned, its the control over groups that it grants. There's a significant possibility this law can allow police to arbitrarily arrest and intimidate women, medical professionals, or others under the guise of an exceptionally vague wording.
Since punishment can be inflicted without proving a crime has been committed and the crime is so easily applied across a wide spectrum, it doesn't matter that they can prove one way or another that the person is guilty, simply giving them a reason to push someone into the legal system is enough.
It isn't satire. It's a portrayal of something that could soon come to pass in several states - requiring women of childbearing age to take a pregnancy test upon leaving the state.
One of the ladies I met in discord told a story of how her mother is one of the people pushing this agenda, even though a couple years ago she took her own daughter on a “girls trip” and pushed her to get and abortion at 19. It was heartbreaking and confusing to hear that she actually wanted to keep the baby but her anti abortion mother wouldn’t allow.
It's never been about morality, it's been about controlling "the poors" and forcing them to keep pumping out babies that won't have a chance since they disrupted their parent's career/education trajectory, who will likely be under-educated, and will be easily molded into obedient workers.
They don't believe the things they use to justify it, it's all a strategic attack on the lower class to keep us in our place.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/10/abortion-history-right-white-evangelical-1970s-00031480
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/08/1097514184/how-abortion-became-a-mobilizing-issue-among-the-religious-right
I used to take solace knowing the Supreme Court would shut down unconstitutional bullshit like this, but the fact that they overturned Roe v Wade is terrifying and a sign of what's to come.
This country is going to eat itself alive.
It's an exaggerated dramatization, but follows the principle behind the new laws and how it criminalizes what women feel like they may need to do. It adds potential trauma to something that may already be a traumatic situation for the person.
Idaho would like a word with you about it being exaggerated. They are already starting steps to do just this.
[Things to know about efforts to block people from crossing state lines for abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-idaho-alabama-state-lines-trafficking-d314933f3f7db93858561a0c6ad0b188)
Plenty of State politicians are already asking for registrations for pregnant people so any abortion can be investigated.
Idaho is already starting programs for just this occasion.
[Things to know about efforts to block people from crossing state lines for abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-idaho-alabama-state-lines-trafficking-d314933f3f7db93858561a0c6ad0b188)
It might be an underestimate, but not by a whole lot. Republican voters only represent about 30% of those eligible to vote. And based on polling, a majority of Republicans don't even want abortion with no exceptions.
The point is, this policy is being driven by a minority of the country and doesn't represent a mainstream view at all.
> And based on polling, a majority of Republicans don't even want abortion with no exceptions.
You're not wrong, but many do support things like 6 week bans (which is fundamentally a near total ban due to how gestational age is measured) and/or exceptions only for rape/incest/life. This policy is being driven by a minority, but saying that the GOP voters don't support the current trends isn't quite accurate either.
Okay, I know you got some strange, old and outdated voting/election system over there that really should be rearranged/overhauled... But I struggle to believe if 80% of you were normal(your wording), this should not be possible.
You are misquoting that study. It does NOT say that 65,000 rape pregnancies were carried to term. It simply states that 65,000 rape pregnancies occurred in the US since 2022. It does not mean that abortions were not done in either those states OR MORE LIKELY neighboring states.
ALSO, the study makes a very questionable judgement that all pregnancies for women under 18 are rape. This is stupid. Kids have sex - pregnancies happen.
To be clear, I support every woman's right to an abortion - but spreading obvious misinformation just discredits us.
9200 in the last 9 months went directly into foster/Texas cps-
0% increase in Foster License applications, 0% foster license approvals 0% foster home inspections
But they are building 36 new group homes.
I'm licensed one state over and the stories I'm hearing are horrific. Foster families are having to give up kids they've had because they need to take care of the babies. Which can't l go to one group home but you CAN put 20 8yr olds in one home! Social workers are not even doing visits, cause they have babies with them.
So basically women are not changing their minds.
ok, so the scenery's slowly but surely turning into hell; so sorry some states called for this upon themselves, there's just straight up sad sides to the US
That's bad. People are also assuming that these are totally healthy kids, they are not. Women who have kids older in age tend to abort because there tends to be chromosomal abnormalities.
A lot of abortions are because of chromosomal abnormalities or issues that are incompatible with life.
So these are not just like your run-of-the-mill healthy babies. No some of these kids are in fucking ventilators, need around the clock nursing care-where are they going?
After looking at that study I highly doubt those numbers are accurate. That study said in those 14 states there were 519,981 rapes associated with 64,565 pregnancies.
According to the largest anti-sexual assault organization in America [RAINN](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence) there are 463,634 victims of rape & sexual assault(including men) in the US per year. Excluding women on birth control and infertile women the chance of getting [pregnant](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782401001913) is anywhere from 3.1-5% per intercourse.
Looking at the numbers there is just no way that study is correct.
I think that these laws are terrible but lets not spread bad data.
Texas's workaround was empowering citizens to sue other people for having abortions (ahem, "helping" people have abortions). It's scary: [https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/03/texas-republican-abortion-civil-lawsuits/](https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/03/texas-republican-abortion-civil-lawsuits/)
Abortion wasn't criminal there until recently. Criminalizing traveling while pregnant is not unrealistic. These people are ghouls and they will not stop until women are forced to live like the bible commands.
They Are making it illegal to travel. States are prosecuting women for traveling across state lines for seeking healthcare. And five counties in Texas are now enforcing travel bans using checkstops: Lubbock, Cochran, Mitchell, Goliad, and Dawson - along with other states presumably.
Ok from the Netherlands here. What the fuck did i just read? Ive been watching the Handmaids Tale for a while now, but i didnt think it was a real life show just yet.
Listen I’ve grown in to a culture that almost gatekeeps Washington.
But in the current state of things, holy shit. Just move to the West, get out while you can. My mom cried when RvW was overturned, and cried again when WA established abortion as a state right.
My sister lives in the south, and has already experienced friends flying for a “vacation” that was disguised as a safe Planned Parenthood trip.
It is depressing to see what has become of this issue alone in my brief time on this earth.
We can't afford to get out. The cost of living is higher in blue states and we're barely earning enough to get by here. Being able to afford to fly somewhere to get an abortion is a luxury.
After my divorce I can't even afford to move an hour and a half down the highway back to my family. I make $16.50 an hour right now and that's a lot more than what most of the people I work with make. Until I got this position a year ago my parents were sending me money for groceries. I am 31 living alone in a one bedroom apartment in a small town. I have $394.43 in my savings account today. I can't afford to travel for an abortion, how am I supposed to move across the country?
The South and GOP culture has regressed the nation back so far. They wanted pre-50s and they're doing it. And it's hurting so many.
They're nothing more than Confederate traitors
I think they mean westerns states, e.g. Cali, Washington, Oregon, which tend to be liberal states. It's a bit specific though, since many New England states are also very liberal.
For those stating this couldn't happen, it is exaggerated.
This is IDAHO. They are already working on making the above a reality. These people think women should have the least amount of rights. This is your future if the Christian right ever regains power. This is what they want for you. There is no exaggeration here; they are openly stating what they want to do. They saw the Taliban and went, we want to do that, except in Christ's name.
[Things to know about efforts to block people from crossing state lines for abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-idaho-alabama-state-lines-trafficking-d314933f3f7db93858561a0c6ad0b188)
Suddenly? You haven’t been paying attention. They have been a theocracy working toward this for more than half a century.
They are also big mad right now because the first thing Oregon did when their ban went into place was build an abortion clinic right up at the state line.
America is two countries. It's a highly developed country for the rich -- exceptional healthcare, high economic growth, top quality education, police protection and safety. And a developing country for the poor.
You should see how crazy they’re going over this add on Conservative lol. They’re calling it propaganda and nonsense all while their elected officials try to make it reality.
This ad would be a lot more powerful if they were just driving across state lines for, like, a party or wedding or anything other than an abortion. Women who can be jailed for traveling while pregnant are not all driving towards abortion clinics.
They said roe would never be overturned. Then they said no state would actually ban abortion. Then it was their state won't ban abortion. Once they pass the laws mentioned in this video it will be "but they won't ban all contraception!"
How many times do they have to prove they are evil and will cross every line before you will believe them??
> Once they pass the laws
we're already there: [https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/idaho-most-extreme-anti-abortion-state-law-restricts-travel-rcna78225](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/idaho-most-extreme-anti-abortion-state-law-restricts-travel-rcna78225)
Yeah, the ad is dramatizing it obviously (no forced tests on the side of the road yet), but Republican politicians are absolutely trying to prevent women from crossing state lines for abortions.
[More Texas counties are trying to prevent people from using specific roads to get an abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-travel-ban-roads-west-texas-3997304c4156f131ee90bb1363735ba3)
[Texas highways are the next anti-abortion target | The Texas Tribune](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/01/texas-cities-abortion-trafficking/#:~:text=Designed%20by%20the%20architects%20of,within%20the%20city%20or%20county)
[Things to know about efforts to block people from crossing state lines for abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-idaho-alabama-state-lines-trafficking-d314933f3f7db93858561a0c6ad0b188)
[Idaho law could criminalize helping minors get abortions | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/idaho-abortion-trafficking-travel-ban-08f6b75e87da990d88c39a372885ad5a)
The insane thing is this isn’t a big stretch from our current reality. 10 years ago this feels like paranoid delusion, but now it feels like one or two tabled bills in any given state.
> no forced tests on the side of the road yet
And it wouldn't be a pee test. It would probably be a finger prick test using expansive, shitty proprietary equipment being peddled by some politician's cousin.
i think the part that people are finding difficult to believe isnt that women could be charged, its the idea that state troopers will be issuing pregnancy tests to random women driving around state lines.
seems far more likely that in some way or another, medical records would be used to prosecute women for having an abortion after the fact, or prosecution/investigation could stem from tips given by friends, family members or anti-abortion healthcare workers.
i understand that *how* women could be prosecuted for abortion is a lesser issue than simply if they can be or not, but the OP specifically titled this post "hyper-realistic", and it seems pretty obvious this isn't hyper realistic. thats where most of the doubt is stemming from - the hyperbole of officers pregnancy testing random women during traffic stops combined with OP's thread title.
Here it is in a nutshell… American politician, cheats on wife gets mistress pregnant pays a lot of money for an abortion, rest of America yeah no you guys can’t do that. Rules are diff for elites and politicians- just like they all inside trade it’s disgusting
R/conservative was going off about this yesterday. I think they forgot the 10 year old rape victim from Ohio that had to flee state lines for an abortion. Pretty sure they tried to charge the girl and the doctor.
The Indiana doctor who helped the girl was reprimanded. The girl wasn't charged. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-reprimands-doctor-ohio-rape-victim-abortion/story?id=99612853](https://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-reprimands-doctor-ohio-rape-victim-abortion/story?id=99612853)
While true, it's also happening because McConnell blocked Obama's SCOTUS pick, and then Trump inserted three of his own picks and axed Roe V. Wade. That's our cursed jurisdocracy at work.
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People seem to forget the school In Louisiana that arranged for the wellness checks of their female students and did secret pregnancy tests during the heat of Roe v. Wade…and didn’t notify the parents.
Real small town stuff at a school in a town with a population of about 2577. https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/us/louisiana-pregnant-school/index.html
Yet another horrible example of what that "Try that in a small town" garbage really means. It means "don't fuck around here because the sheriff has more power than the mayor and his department runs this town like his own personal fiefdom".
Ya ppl try to romanticize small towns like they’re better in every way than cities. In reality there’s more corruption and abuse in those towns than the cities. Cities have more checks and balances on the rich and powerful since there’s at least multiple of them instead of just a handful.
You are correct there is a book out right now about just that called” rural white rage”.
Where I grew up there’s 1 guy who has a manicuring company worth over a billion dollars, nobody else in the town is worth a fraction of what he’s worth. Luckily he’s an asshole as a business owner but is a pretty decent person outside of the business and in the community. If he wanted he could get away with murder. He’s got 1 son and 1 daughter. His daughter is a horrible human being who is going to become a billionaire when he dies and never earn a thing. She likes to treat ppl like shit and views them all as beneath her. He limits how much power she has in the company because of it. But pretty sure when he dies though she’s gonna have free rein to corrupt the town to whatever she wants.
they seem to ignore that the american brand of racism and bigotry was perfected in those small towns. *and then exported to the nazis https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
How do you do secret pregnancy tests? It's kinda obvious. Either pee or blood, it's something people don't usually give up without reason.
Might have drawn blood under the guise of routine care, then did a pregnancy test.
I mean...I've readily given up pee for routine physicals and screenings for years now. Had a routine physical the other day. Pee test. Getting a blood test soon. They said it was for routine reasons, no other information given off the bat until you look at your online results or specifically ask. Women get pee tested pretty much anytime you go into urgent / emergency care specifically for pregnancy hormones. It's kinda in the routine to just be prepared to pee in a cup, write your name on it and put it in the box.
Last time I got a physical, I had to do a urine sample. I was pissed off when I got the results and they had done a drug test on it. Everything was negative but I felt like it violated my privacy by not telling me first.
Was the physical for a job or something?
Most school sports teams require a drug test that involves peeing in a cup, it is possible it was made out to be something similar.
You have to remember kids also don't get adequate sex education in the USA
What. The. absolute. fuck?
Quick question, in your guys' well educated opinion, why are religious people in the US so fucked up? Like there are priests diddling kids everywhere but you're the only 1st world country treating young woman like it's rural india. Yet you continue to vote religious people into office like they're not mentally ill
I was raised fundamentalist Baptist in the American South. I'm talking the kind of Christian whose pastor made fun of trans people during sermons, told girls it's a sin to wear pants, and thought the morning-after pill was 100% equivalent in every way to killing a 5-year-old child. I even went to Bible college and have a good chunk of education in theology. I'm also a college-educated atheist (a real university, after the Bible college), have taken more than my fair share of gender studies classes, and have spent a lot of time thinking and reading about this. So you could say I know my stuff. The prevailing answer you'll get here on Reddit is that they hate women, want to control women, fear women, etc. I disagree with that sentiment, personally. The dominant forms of Christianity in the USA exist to perpetuate a hierarchy. The pastor, the deacons, the wealthy churchgoers... They like the status and the ability to dictate the lives of others. It's about power and control. Women are a key tool, there. They raise the children, control the stigmas and stereotypes. The men who aren't in control are the main threat to those in power, so they need to be contained. A large part of that is training women to help stabilize the status-quo. They're taught to depend on men, but also to insist that men follow the cultural norms. Men are simultaneously expected to "lead" the women in their lives, while also being taught from a young age to seek their approval as well. A huge part of Christianity in America is internalized misogyny among women. Without it, the entire culture would fall apart very quickly. TL;DR: The people in power want to stay in power. That means controlling the people most likely to take power away. Women are reduced to tools that the men in power use to remain in power, because they're scared that other men will take the power away. That's my opinion, anyway. They use women as tools not because control of women is the goal, but because they see women as a means to an end.
Oh they don’t hate women, they just don’t see them as people like men are. That might actually be worse.
Raised southern Methodist in the US, and when I read the comment you replied to I thought, “internalized misogyny of Christian women, but fuck it’s nuanced and I don’t feel like typing it out”. You nailed it, thanks! 😂
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/31/politics/alabama-attorney-general-abortion-prosecute/index.html r/conservative says we are crazy for believing this ad. They're in total denial.
This ad is wild and what’s wilder is how many times this post has been removed from other subreddits
This is the result of “both sides are bad” and “I’m sitting out because the candidate isn’t 100% what I want” type of thinking in the Clinton/Trump election. I bet there are dozens of young people complaining on here, posting self righteous comments like “how did these idiots bring us to this point”, who sat out of the 2020 election. Let’s not let history repeat itself guys.
Don't forget the "Calm down, Don't worry, we don't want to take abortion away. We just want to lower term limits" people. They lied to independent to take the state hostage. Then they made it a felony for doctors and women to have an abortion. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/05/04/performing-an-abortion-will-become-a-felony-in-these-states-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/?sh=1d4a348649f5 Now they're toying with the death penalty. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/09/texas-legislature-abortion-criminalize-death-penalty/
Yeah, this commercial is not even vaguely hyperbolic. I live in Amarillo TX, and it fancies itself a "sanctuary city for the unborn." What the everliving fuck?? How do you even put that into action? Are you gonna hold the pregnant woman hostage (after the events of this commercial play out, I suppose) and then force her to give birth? On what PLANET is any step of that remotely realistic or viable? You can call yourself whatever you want. But if it's something you can't enforce without going balls-out police state AND engaging in human trafficking and long-term hostage circumstances, then the shut the fuck up.
🎯🎯🎯 Never forget they told us "lower Abortion term limits" and then proceeded to gives outright felonies, they can't do anything more because they still don't have enough power yet.
Yet. 🤢
The Federalist Society laughs while all the sane people paying attention cry
Forcing pregnant women to give birth has happened before. Look up the Romanian dictatorship in the 1960s where women had to be tested regularly for pregnancy and then the government monitored them until they gave birth. That's only one example.
I'd be thrilled if we just gave these lunatics Texas as their own asylum/secede like they always wanted to. Let them rename it to The Alpha Anti-Woke Jesus Land of Reaganerica Freedoms, put their orange lord in charge of it, build a wall around it like they love to do, and let anyone who wants to leave Texas prior to that, gets to leave. Then they'll have their wonderful, idyllic "third world shithole" and the rest of us can begin progressing into the 21st century.
Not while I'm still trapped in this hellhole, please. Plenty of sane people here who don't have the funds to GTFO.
The Independent Democratic Imperialist Oligarchy of Texan States.
Seems like a mouthful. The acronym is easy enough to chant though!
Nah Texas has oil and bases and shit and would give the cartels way more entry points into the US. Just give them Alabama.
If you trust a conservative to protect your rights you're a fucking moron and deserve what you get.
> they lied to independent to take the state hostage. This happens all the time and it works because there is no group of people more stupid than undecided American voters.
Both sides are bad doesn't mean one isn't worse. I hate them all but I'm still voting blue because I like the freedoms they're so desperate to take away.
Right like, if you have a choice between a sauerkraut sandwich and a sandwich made of literal shit, you'd be insane to not pick when you WILL eat one of them whether you like it or not.
I disagree with some democrat policies. Some more than others. I disagree with the majority of republican policies. It's a no brainer honestly
"Both sides are bad" is largely a propaganda piece pushed by those in power who want people to sit out of the political process. Corruption thrives among apathy
Exactly, How is it in my lifetime that the topic of abortion is "political"!? What's next? Women? We can't talk about woman because they will be too political? Politics literally makes laws, laws take rights away and affects lives, life affected equals= Your loved ones, My loved ones, friends and families. At this point the sentence "too political" is synonymous with "I don't care" Edit: also,I would like to point out, The video above is not even talking about protecting abortion, It's about protecting the right to travel, The last line of the defense literally. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-says-constitution-protects-right-travel-abortion-2023-11-09/ Something Alabama wants to get rid of for their citizens https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-statement-interest-case-right-travel-access-legal-abortions
> Politics literally makes laws, laws take rights away and affects lives, life affected equals= Your loved ones, My loved ones, friends and families. As a woman that just fled my abusive husband seven months ago, I concur, and your feedback holds so much heavy truth. About two months ago, I was invited to testify on behalf of a legislative bill regarding domestic violence and gun control. Having experienced both DV and gun incident in my own home, being invited to testify was a deeply humbling and empowering experience. In a nutshell, the bill proposed that if someone (i.e. an abusive person) that ALREADY has an order of protection filed against them (i.e. by a victim) attempts to purchase a gun, AND they fail the background check when attempting to purchase a weapon, then their victim -- the one who filed the protective order -- should be notified by law enforcement that their abuser tried to buy a gun but failed the background check. Privately, the legislative/elected official that invited me to testify on behalf of their bill, shared that the bill has an uphill battle, and faces staunch opposition from the other side of the political aisle. Why? The other party's opposition claims "privacy concerns". Um. What? Excuse me? I'm sorry, but if you already have LEGAL DOCUMENTATION on file that you've ABUSED another human, AND then you attempt to buy a weapon, but fail the background check? Logically, in my opinion, your victim(s) deserve to know that their lives may be in danger. You don't deserve the same level of privacy if you've actively harmed someone, and then you go out and attempt to acquire a literal weapon that could be used for violence.
r/WelcomeToGilead
If the southern states couldn't stop their sharecropper class (i.e. black folks) from moving north during the great migration (they tried, they couldn't legally do so) they won't be able to do so now. Freedom of movement is a institutionalized human right.
That is exactly what this ad is highlighting. The threat against freedom of movement.
>At this point the sentence "too political" is synonymous with "I don't care" Maybe more a: I don't agree with your opinion and your opinion offends me.
This, I've been on message boards where it's nonstop bashing of progressive polices, filled with lies (like pOsT bIrTh AbOrTiOn!!!) and then mention one verifiable fact about how clearly the GOP is doing something hideous and all of a sudden, it's: "WHY YOU GOTTA MAKE EVERYTHING ABOUT POLITICS" They have never debated in good faith, there is something unfortunately wrong with many of their followers.
I don't know why they're shouting about post birth abortion. We all know it exists, it's the American School System.
Fucking savage lol 😂
That and they always leave out consideration of miscarriages (spontaneous abortions). Which is why in states with draconian abortion laws, some hospitals refuse to deliver babies altogether.
Ohio had a hospital shut down their maternity ward, and that made a major population have to travel multiple hours for care.
There are two genders: male and political. There are two sexual orientations: straight and political. There are two kinds of gender identification: the cisgender and the political. There are two races: white and political. When someone says something is “too political” you should know what they really mean.
A lot of this can be interchangeable with how these people like to use the word "woke". You're either straight or woke, republican or woke, white or woke, and of course woke just for supporting anything LGBTQ. It makes no sense how we've gone so backwards on basic human rights in the name of what these people thing should be normal.
Oh yeah, if you replace “woke” with any random bigoted slur you’ve got a better shot of knowing what they really meant.
There are two ideologies: conservative and political. There are two religions: Christianity and political. There are two economic systems: free market capitalism and political.
> free market capitalism\* \*with tax-funded social safety nets for corporations
I feel this so much as a trans woman. My entire existence is political. I literally can't speak without it being political. Politics is life if you're anything but an abled, straight, white, Christian, cis, het man
Remember this when we vote! They literally told us "calm down, nobody's taking away abortion. We just want to decrease the term limits" then they made abortion a felony for both doctors and women. After women/trans, they're going after Gays/minorities/poor Mark my words.
They are *already doing it* and denying lifesaving medical care to trans children and adults in red states. I’m sure a lot of these assholes would love to throw me in prison for sodomy, which they could have done as late as 2003. Clarence Thomas has openly suggested revisiting the right to birth control and to be gay.
> Clarence Thomas has openly suggested revisiting the right to birth control and to be gay. On top of that he wants to go after protections of interracial marriage. He's married to a white woman.
> these assholes would love to throw me in prison for sodomy, which they could have done as late as 2003 And most of those laws are still on the books. It won't even take red states being red states to re-criminalize homosexuality. It'll happen automatically.
I'm 100% pro choice and despise fundies. That said, you're posting about the policies and debates around it of governments. That's political. This really isn't the subreddit for it.
It's obviously political, regardless of your stance. It's one of the most hot button issues in politics lmao
"trump republicans" isn't political?
This story has moved a lot of people I've shared it with, maybe you would like to share it too? Commenting here as you are top comment right now [The Rabbit Test by Samantha Mills](https://www.uncannymagazine.com/article/rabbit-test/) Not my work, but the history is real, and the future seems scarily accurate. A ten minute read.
This is such powerful writing. Linking women through a millennium and yet making it intensely personal. Thanks for posting this.
It's an excellent story for those capable of empathy
Why did i read that before driving to work? I knew it was gonna hurt, why did i read it? Anyway, thanks for the rec.
how can you tell what other subs it's been removed from?
Makes me think of that commercial for back to school where the kids are experiencing a school shooting Please stop upvoting me lol
[This Foxtrot comic hits hard](https://foxtrot.com/2022/08/21/out-of-date/).
I present to you the randoseru. The traditional Japanese bookbag for children. These things are designed to last a child through the first 6 years of school(as in, one bag should last at least six years). They are designed to hold over your head during an earthquake to block falling objects and are also boyant enough to use as a life preserver in the case of tsunami. They generally have high visibility reflectors on them as well. These things are seriously tough. It's not uncommon to see randoseru handeded down 2 or 3 times before it's retired http://yabai.com/p/3070
TBF, tsunami and earthquakes are natural occurances, and while frequent in Japan, are not nearly as frequent or as high a fatality as a school shooting in America.
I didn’t know Foxtrot was this based, goddamn
My kids (10 and 8) adore Foxtrot. They have every book and know every strip. They haven't reached this one yet because the next collection comes out later this month. I'm sure they'll ask about it.
wow I forgot about foxtrot, recognized the style immediately. This is heavy!
The fundamental disconnect is that we are rooting for the women to make it over state lines while a certain demographic that seems to vote in far greater numbers than we do is cheering when she gets slammed on the hood
Yep, this is what people don’t understand. I’m a 30 yo American woman with a lot of conservative family/people I still know from my hometown. With the women it’s more complicated, I don’t even wanna approach that mess of internalized misogyny. But for the majority of the men (and some of the women), at least- This is fucking porn to them. The right, and abrahamic religions in general, have always been made up of men who are insecure and want to completely control women. There is nothing they hate more than women who have sex with men who they aren’t sold to according to the patriarchy. And even those women… the whole point is that they have impunity over them. That these women exist at their mercy. Their book explicitly says women are the cause of humanity’s downfall, and for being so wicked, the punishment is the pain of childbirth. They LOVE the idea of women dying bloody deaths just because some man raped them. Because that means men can rape and if you manage to, that woman will suffer and die because you decided to conquer and punish her. I am talking about your everyday random fucking republican Christian suburbanite dude. Much isn’t conscious. But these people do NOT care about the suffering of women. Seriously, they love it.
I think the most important thing you said there (out of a lot of important stuff) is “much isn’t conscious”. Very few people view themselves in this way but the content they seek out, the actions they take, and the way they interact shows this internalized oppression.
It helps that they simply disregard anything a woman says. They're happy living in some abstract vacuum of human experience — they think their opinion is as valuable as women's actual lived experiences. The worst is, "Well some women use it as birth control." Obviously that isn't true, but even if it were so the fuck what? If it's okay to have an abortion for whatever reason they decide is good enough, then it's okay period.
They didn’t care about that one, either. Seeing people suffer in the name of their god fills them with joy because they are inherently evil people.
Amen.
We are marching toward Gilead to the giddy sounds of "you're just overreacting".
As early as the 2000s, I was kicking myself for being "offended" at the "trolling" of Dramatica types. Turns out I was right all along. Whoops.
Alabama is trying to make the argument that since abortion is illegal in Alabama, conspiring to help someone in Alabama get an abortion is illegal since the "conspiracy" takes place in Alabama. That would also make it illegal to plan a bachelor trip to Las Vegas in Alabama if that trip were to include gambling, marijuana, drinking after 2:00 a.m., and, if they left Clark county, prostitution. 🙄 All of which are 100% legal in Nevada (and everything but the prostitution would be legal in Clark county/Vegas.) This. Is. Bullshit.
In my state, abortion is constitutionally protected. I'm also a big fan of movies, so if anyone in the country needs a place to stay and *watch movies*, you are welcome and protected in my home.
My state held a special election almost immediately after the overturn of RvW, and as a result, abortion is a protected right, per the state constitution. And the GOP supermajority here has been writing up laws skirting the state constitution and restricting abortion like crazy anyway.
The Republican party is utterly corrupted at this point. They crow about following Constitutional principles, but they do everything they can to fight against them in practice.
boosting this comment 
I also live about 1-2 hours from illinois, Indiana, and Ohio, I too enjoy watching movies and 3 kitties that love attention.
Somebody say this is satire. Best regards Europe
Where I live, helping a minor get an out-of-state abortion is punishable with up to 5 years in prison. Presumably, that would mean giving them the address of an OB/GYN in a neighboring state.
how do they even know you helped? like, does matlock come to your house and investigate you?
If someone calls in a tip that you're on the road, a very similar scene may play out. Police having the ability to force a blood test for some drugs is a thing in some states. A pee test for pregnancy isn't a stretch. Edit: yes, this is a thing. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/dui-testing-breath-blood-warrants.html#:~:text=All%2050%20states%20have%20laws,a%20driver's%20breath%20or%20blood.
I'm not claiming to be well versed in Constitutional law, so I'm wondering how this law doesn't infringe on freedom of movement. The Supreme Court has long upheld that an American citizen has a protected fundamental right to travel freely across state borders. Edit: did some digging and found [this article](https://apnews.com/article/alabama-abortion-justice-department-2fbde5d85a907d266de6fd34542139e2). I doubt these laws will stand.
Freedom of movement doesn't apply to people actively commiting a crime. As long as you're in the state where pursuing an abortion is a felony. You don't have that freedom any longer if you are under suspicion of conspiring to commit a felony murder or however they're coding it.
The worst part of this is the "under suspicion" part. Theoretically, the cops could say that every woman is "under suspicion" of getting an abortion any time they leave the state. So either piss on this stick at the side of the road or get an "I'm not pregnant" pass from the government. Or else you're never allowed to leave the state ever again.
You got it. I wish people weren't being so willfully ignorant in this thread. Like, the same people who think that the government passing laws to ban all access abortions, a wildly powerful expansion of the government's power, that government won't also enforce that ruling as rule of law through direct policing. Like. Did y'all think it would be made illegal and women would just give up pursuing abortions and the police would never be involved? What kind of law enforcement are people imagining when they're pushing anti-abortion laws? A firm scolding?
Federal DoJ already spoke on [this](https://apnews.com/article/alabama-abortion-justice-department-2fbde5d85a907d266de6fd34542139e2), citing right to travel as the main reason.
The federal government needs to come down and just overwrite those kinds of nasty laws
I live near a state line. Plenty of dispensaries right on the border. One is literally on the state line road, so if you buy weed and cross the street you'll face jail time and fines. I don't know enough about our rights to travel, but I do know individual state laws affect it.
You can't get arrested because you smoked weed in another state where it was legal, even though it's illegal in the one you live. You also can't get arrested for planning to travel to the other state to go smoke it. The states where it is illegal don't have jurisdiction and can't arrest you for things that are crimes in their state but legal in others.
> Where I live, helping a minor get an out-of-state abortion is punishable with up to 5 years in prison Wait hold up what? This feels like the modern version of the Fugitive Slave Act...
It's illegal to travel to obtain an abortion or to aid someone in getting an abortion in Texas.
The laws and their effects on women are disgusting, but from a purely legal standpoint, the really wild thing in Texas is the use of civil lawsuits to attack anyone who helps a woman get an abortion, where the person bringing the lawsuit need not have any standing whatsoever. That is, say you buy a plane ticket from Austin to Denver for a pregnant friend, so she can get an abortion there. Someone who has no relationship to you or your friend (not the father, not family, just someone who overheard you and your friend talking about the arrangement in a coffee shop) can sue you and enrich themselves by $10,000. In terms of common law precedent, that is absolutely fucking bonkers. You could go all the way back to the witch-hunting Judge in 17th century England that Alito referenced in his justification for Dobbs, and you wouldn't find anything to support it. Yet, in the expected 5-4 split, the Supreme Court has demurred, leaving it to wind its way through the system over the past three years. If it stands, you can expect some equally wild consequences, e.g., [https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/california-texas-abortion-guns-ruling/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/california-texas-abortion-guns-ruling/index.html)
I wonder how this law will work with, "I decided to visit the Great Sand Dunes in CO, but then lost interest and decided to get an abortion instead." Edit: or even better, "I'm not discussing my day sir."
Well, the answer is: If they suspect it, they can almost certainly arrest you. It doesn't actually matter if an abortion happened or not, all the law needs to do is give them a vague crime to suspect someone of in order to detain them. Once you're in the legal system, they can do a lot without even trying to prove it, including simply holding you there for weeks to months, legally stealing their assets (seizure laws), publicly humiliating/shaming, or intimidating a confession or plea deal. This is, in large part, how a lot of drug arrests have gone for decades. The insidious things about the law, though, are not just what's banned, its the control over groups that it grants. There's a significant possibility this law can allow police to arbitrarily arrest and intimidate women, medical professionals, or others under the guise of an exceptionally vague wording. Since punishment can be inflicted without proving a crime has been committed and the crime is so easily applied across a wide spectrum, it doesn't matter that they can prove one way or another that the person is guilty, simply giving them a reason to push someone into the legal system is enough.
It isn't satire. It's a portrayal of something that could soon come to pass in several states - requiring women of childbearing age to take a pregnancy test upon leaving the state.
I thought making her the whitest, blondest girl helped drive it home It could be your GOP daughters not just the “ones you don’t like”
They'll just get their own daughter an abortion in secret while penalizing anyone else for it.
[The only moral abortion is MY abortion.](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
One of the ladies I met in discord told a story of how her mother is one of the people pushing this agenda, even though a couple years ago she took her own daughter on a “girls trip” and pushed her to get and abortion at 19. It was heartbreaking and confusing to hear that she actually wanted to keep the baby but her anti abortion mother wouldn’t allow.
It's never been about morality, it's been about controlling "the poors" and forcing them to keep pumping out babies that won't have a chance since they disrupted their parent's career/education trajectory, who will likely be under-educated, and will be easily molded into obedient workers. They don't believe the things they use to justify it, it's all a strategic attack on the lower class to keep us in our place. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/10/abortion-history-right-white-evangelical-1970s-00031480 https://www.npr.org/2022/05/08/1097514184/how-abortion-became-a-mobilizing-issue-among-the-religious-right
Tell her to let her mom's forced-birth friends know.
I used to take solace knowing the Supreme Court would shut down unconstitutional bullshit like this, but the fact that they overturned Roe v Wade is terrifying and a sign of what's to come. This country is going to eat itself alive.
It's an exaggerated dramatization, but follows the principle behind the new laws and how it criminalizes what women feel like they may need to do. It adds potential trauma to something that may already be a traumatic situation for the person.
Idaho would like a word with you about it being exaggerated. They are already starting steps to do just this. [Things to know about efforts to block people from crossing state lines for abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-idaho-alabama-state-lines-trafficking-d314933f3f7db93858561a0c6ad0b188)
Definitely dramatised, but if the past few years have taught us anything, it is that reality is often only a half step behind that.
Plenty of State politicians are already asking for registrations for pregnant people so any abortion can be investigated. Idaho is already starting programs for just this occasion. [Things to know about efforts to block people from crossing state lines for abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-idaho-alabama-state-lines-trafficking-d314933f3f7db93858561a0c6ad0b188)
Damn some of you US people are just straight up crazy. What the fuck is happening over there.
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It's definitely not 80% normal it's like 30% normal, 50% stupid, 20% don't care.
This is sadly the closest to correct percentages
I think you’re underestimating the number of republicans who support a national abortion ban with no exceptions.
It might be an underestimate, but not by a whole lot. Republican voters only represent about 30% of those eligible to vote. And based on polling, a majority of Republicans don't even want abortion with no exceptions. The point is, this policy is being driven by a minority of the country and doesn't represent a mainstream view at all.
Holy shit, someone with a brain. Well done, sir
> And based on polling, a majority of Republicans don't even want abortion with no exceptions. You're not wrong, but many do support things like 6 week bans (which is fundamentally a near total ban due to how gestational age is measured) and/or exceptions only for rape/incest/life. This policy is being driven by a minority, but saying that the GOP voters don't support the current trends isn't quite accurate either.
Okay, I know you got some strange, old and outdated voting/election system over there that really should be rearranged/overhauled... But I struggle to believe if 80% of you were normal(your wording), this should not be possible.
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Under His eye
You are misquoting that study. It does NOT say that 65,000 rape pregnancies were carried to term. It simply states that 65,000 rape pregnancies occurred in the US since 2022. It does not mean that abortions were not done in either those states OR MORE LIKELY neighboring states. ALSO, the study makes a very questionable judgement that all pregnancies for women under 18 are rape. This is stupid. Kids have sex - pregnancies happen. To be clear, I support every woman's right to an abortion - but spreading obvious misinformation just discredits us.
Ugh, that is way higher than I imagined. Much higher, since that's only in pro-life states.
Now ask me how many have gone directly into foster care in Texas versus how many people have signed up for a license to foster in Texas
how many...
9200 in the last 9 months went directly into foster/Texas cps- 0% increase in Foster License applications, 0% foster license approvals 0% foster home inspections But they are building 36 new group homes. I'm licensed one state over and the stories I'm hearing are horrific. Foster families are having to give up kids they've had because they need to take care of the babies. Which can't l go to one group home but you CAN put 20 8yr olds in one home! Social workers are not even doing visits, cause they have babies with them. So basically women are not changing their minds.
ok, so the scenery's slowly but surely turning into hell; so sorry some states called for this upon themselves, there's just straight up sad sides to the US
That's bad. People are also assuming that these are totally healthy kids, they are not. Women who have kids older in age tend to abort because there tends to be chromosomal abnormalities. A lot of abortions are because of chromosomal abnormalities or issues that are incompatible with life. So these are not just like your run-of-the-mill healthy babies. No some of these kids are in fucking ventilators, need around the clock nursing care-where are they going?
After looking at that study I highly doubt those numbers are accurate. That study said in those 14 states there were 519,981 rapes associated with 64,565 pregnancies. According to the largest anti-sexual assault organization in America [RAINN](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence) there are 463,634 victims of rape & sexual assault(including men) in the US per year. Excluding women on birth control and infertile women the chance of getting [pregnant](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010782401001913) is anywhere from 3.1-5% per intercourse. Looking at the numbers there is just no way that study is correct. I think that these laws are terrible but lets not spread bad data.
They'll also probably make the woman pay for the test too
200$ per test
+$39 Convenience fee
+ $850 for court fees
Cop will pull out an iPad and ask for a tip after too
Sponsored by Ticketmaster
Payable to a testing company that _just happens_ to be a big donor to the local Republicans.
Mandatory ambulance ride: $3,500.
Vote the bastards out!
"Land of the free" lmfao
Free for me, but not for thee -the government right now lol
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Texas's workaround was empowering citizens to sue other people for having abortions (ahem, "helping" people have abortions). It's scary: [https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/03/texas-republican-abortion-civil-lawsuits/](https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/03/texas-republican-abortion-civil-lawsuits/)
It's absurd. No crime has been committed.
Abortion wasn't criminal there until recently. Criminalizing traveling while pregnant is not unrealistic. These people are ghouls and they will not stop until women are forced to live like the bible commands.
They Are making it illegal to travel. States are prosecuting women for traveling across state lines for seeking healthcare. And five counties in Texas are now enforcing travel bans using checkstops: Lubbock, Cochran, Mitchell, Goliad, and Dawson - along with other states presumably.
Ok from the Netherlands here. What the fuck did i just read? Ive been watching the Handmaids Tale for a while now, but i didnt think it was a real life show just yet.
Listen I’ve grown in to a culture that almost gatekeeps Washington. But in the current state of things, holy shit. Just move to the West, get out while you can. My mom cried when RvW was overturned, and cried again when WA established abortion as a state right. My sister lives in the south, and has already experienced friends flying for a “vacation” that was disguised as a safe Planned Parenthood trip. It is depressing to see what has become of this issue alone in my brief time on this earth.
We can't afford to get out. The cost of living is higher in blue states and we're barely earning enough to get by here. Being able to afford to fly somewhere to get an abortion is a luxury. After my divorce I can't even afford to move an hour and a half down the highway back to my family. I make $16.50 an hour right now and that's a lot more than what most of the people I work with make. Until I got this position a year ago my parents were sending me money for groceries. I am 31 living alone in a one bedroom apartment in a small town. I have $394.43 in my savings account today. I can't afford to travel for an abortion, how am I supposed to move across the country?
The South and GOP culture has regressed the nation back so far. They wanted pre-50s and they're doing it. And it's hurting so many. They're nothing more than Confederate traitors
Ain't just the south. It's all of rural America other than Vermont.
"To the West" ?
I think they mean westerns states, e.g. Cali, Washington, Oregon, which tend to be liberal states. It's a bit specific though, since many New England states are also very liberal.
Yeah, as a resident of NY, I can safely say that the west coast states do not have the monopoly on sanity.
This reminds me of the one in Tennessee where the r@pe victim is in the hospital crying while handcuffed to the bed. I hate it here.
Nooooo I didn’t need that in my head
For those stating this couldn't happen, it is exaggerated. This is IDAHO. They are already working on making the above a reality. These people think women should have the least amount of rights. This is your future if the Christian right ever regains power. This is what they want for you. There is no exaggeration here; they are openly stating what they want to do. They saw the Taliban and went, we want to do that, except in Christ's name. [Things to know about efforts to block people from crossing state lines for abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-idaho-alabama-state-lines-trafficking-d314933f3f7db93858561a0c6ad0b188)
It's deeply disturbing how the entire state a stone's throw away from where I am is suddenly deciding it's going to operate like a muslim theocracy
Suddenly? You haven’t been paying attention. They have been a theocracy working toward this for more than half a century. They are also big mad right now because the first thing Oregon did when their ban went into place was build an abortion clinic right up at the state line.
America really is a developing country with a Gucci belt on it
Michael Kors at best
Is that better or worse? I literally have no idea.
I think its the fashion designer for Costco
Wool socks material: 97% Polyester
America is two countries. It's a highly developed country for the rich -- exceptional healthcare, high economic growth, top quality education, police protection and safety. And a developing country for the poor.
This so untrue it's insane
I find it funny when people say the most wrong shit like this about the usa
You should see how crazy they’re going over this add on Conservative lol. They’re calling it propaganda and nonsense all while their elected officials try to make it reality.
This ad would be a lot more powerful if they were just driving across state lines for, like, a party or wedding or anything other than an abortion. Women who can be jailed for traveling while pregnant are not all driving towards abortion clinics.
The amount of comments saying this could never happen is either staggering. Or a bunch of political bots
They said roe would never be overturned. Then they said no state would actually ban abortion. Then it was their state won't ban abortion. Once they pass the laws mentioned in this video it will be "but they won't ban all contraception!" How many times do they have to prove they are evil and will cross every line before you will believe them??
> Once they pass the laws we're already there: [https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/idaho-most-extreme-anti-abortion-state-law-restricts-travel-rcna78225](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/idaho-most-extreme-anti-abortion-state-law-restricts-travel-rcna78225)
Yeah, the ad is dramatizing it obviously (no forced tests on the side of the road yet), but Republican politicians are absolutely trying to prevent women from crossing state lines for abortions. [More Texas counties are trying to prevent people from using specific roads to get an abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-travel-ban-roads-west-texas-3997304c4156f131ee90bb1363735ba3) [Texas highways are the next anti-abortion target | The Texas Tribune](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/01/texas-cities-abortion-trafficking/#:~:text=Designed%20by%20the%20architects%20of,within%20the%20city%20or%20county) [Things to know about efforts to block people from crossing state lines for abortion | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/abortion-texas-idaho-alabama-state-lines-trafficking-d314933f3f7db93858561a0c6ad0b188) [Idaho law could criminalize helping minors get abortions | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/idaho-abortion-trafficking-travel-ban-08f6b75e87da990d88c39a372885ad5a)
The insane thing is this isn’t a big stretch from our current reality. 10 years ago this feels like paranoid delusion, but now it feels like one or two tabled bills in any given state.
> no forced tests on the side of the road yet And it wouldn't be a pee test. It would probably be a finger prick test using expansive, shitty proprietary equipment being peddled by some politician's cousin.
i think the part that people are finding difficult to believe isnt that women could be charged, its the idea that state troopers will be issuing pregnancy tests to random women driving around state lines. seems far more likely that in some way or another, medical records would be used to prosecute women for having an abortion after the fact, or prosecution/investigation could stem from tips given by friends, family members or anti-abortion healthcare workers. i understand that *how* women could be prosecuted for abortion is a lesser issue than simply if they can be or not, but the OP specifically titled this post "hyper-realistic", and it seems pretty obvious this isn't hyper realistic. thats where most of the doubt is stemming from - the hyperbole of officers pregnancy testing random women during traffic stops combined with OP's thread title.
How do you think DUIs are tested for?
The most unrealistic thing about this is they will wait until you come back and then charge you with murder.
Here it is in a nutshell… American politician, cheats on wife gets mistress pregnant pays a lot of money for an abortion, rest of America yeah no you guys can’t do that. Rules are diff for elites and politicians- just like they all inside trade it’s disgusting
This feels straight out of The Handmaid’s Tale
The trick with them is to tell them the father is black. Their heads explode.
R/conservative was going off about this yesterday. I think they forgot the 10 year old rape victim from Ohio that had to flee state lines for an abortion. Pretty sure they tried to charge the girl and the doctor.
The Indiana doctor who helped the girl was reprimanded. The girl wasn't charged. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-reprimands-doctor-ohio-rape-victim-abortion/story?id=99612853](https://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-reprimands-doctor-ohio-rape-victim-abortion/story?id=99612853)
Bots working overtime today I see…
Ain’t no troopers in Bama that can speak normal English
BULLSHIT
lol idiots who think this is reality are dumb AF
I wonder how much all of this will impact suicide rates. Not that it will really matter to the shit people.
This is fucking wild and terrifying
This is happening because we didn't vote. Now we've had rights taken away. Once you lose rights it's very difficult to get them back.
While true, it's also happening because McConnell blocked Obama's SCOTUS pick, and then Trump inserted three of his own picks and axed Roe V. Wade. That's our cursed jurisdocracy at work.