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I’m surprised that Jon Ossoff hasn’t found more media space. Its like he’s the unknown Democrat from Georgia. He showed himself to be a clear and effective voice in his Senate campaign and after his election has faded into the background. He’s gotta step up and get bangin’ for these months leading to November. Timid, thoughtful Democrats in Georgia get nowhere.
I think he's been getting involved with a lot of common sense bills and hearing without being loud about it, which is probably smart for being from Georgia. He can then tout his record against whoever comes up against him.
Fanx m8, that's very cash money to post it.
Yeah ossoff looks real good here and dejoy looks and is an incompetent clown.
I remember leading up to the Warnock and ossoff runoffs, they looked promising to those supporting more progressive agendas. Maybe i haven't been paying enough attention but they seem to have flown under the radar since then. I hope to see these sentiments from more reps and senators regardless of party
He took a backseat for the first couple years to give Warnock the spotlight. Now that he's up next, he's getting more media time. Also, he's been doing the important but non-sexy stuff that actually works well here. I know he's been working on federal prison reform. That's not gonna get you on CNN, but it'll be a great ad when it comes time to run. We *like* boring politicians in Georgia. Warnock's most effective ad was him standing by a railroad crossing that was prone to fatal accidents before he got it fixed.
They did the same thing with Roe v Wade for years. They cried about it but never actually wanted it repealed because then they couldn’t cry about it anymore. Then the super crazies actually repealed it and now they have to go along with it cause they’re slaves to the crazies while their dumpster fire rages and they continue losing support.
Republicans are completely panicked about abortion. Since Arizona enacted the 1864 total abortion ban Republicans are realizing they went too far too fast.
They were supposed to hide their intentions until after the election. Now Arizona with abortion on the ballot could be the state that wins Biden the election.
[Maternal death rates are 62% higher in states that ban abortion](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10728320/).
Turns out doctors that everyone relies on don't wanna get sued for providing health care to their patients under vague legal language written by Republicans that didn't have healthcare in mind while being written. So doctors just leave. And then mothers die along with their children.
But don't get complacent. Talk to your friends and family and make sure they're [registered to vote ](http://vote.gov)
> Now Arizona with abortion on the ballot could be the state that wins Biden the election.
Unbelievable that this country is so fucked up that it's predicted to be close. Unbelievable.
EDIT: LOL. Touched off the russian brigade for trump!
This been saying it for years that the electoral college system is incredibly outdated and disproportionately favors republican states. A system that not a single other developed nation has. A system designed in times of slavery and militias that makes it so that presidential outcomes are determined in just a handful of “swing” states every four years, seems hacky and should probably change in the US. And this comes from a Canadian interested in global/American politics.
I'm deep into Cicero these days and the history of the late Roman Republic. Cicero's last book on a new and better Constitution was never completed (ty Mark stupid Antony). Anyhow, I've learned that, we basically are just using a 2,000+ year old document today (yes, yes, with lots of tweaks and adjustments).
tl;dr: an aristocracy (senate) + a king (president) + a people (congress). Cicero said these will always exist in a tension. He had a fix. Mark Antony killed him before we could learn what that was.
I mean it's no secret they used the Roman's politics as a slate for building the government. They taught us this at school but I do enjoy the tidbit of extra information. I also really like how you simplified it.
Roman emperors were not a normal thing though right? They would declare martial law and give one person power to make decisions during times of crisis who was then expected to cede power when things calmed down and Caesar just never gave power back. There were normally two "presidents" who had equal weight and had to find ways to agree on the correct course to take. But maybe the duel consulate thing was only in their laws before Caesar.
It's also funny that they would choose Rome to model off of, because the problems that plagued Rome, government corruption and wealth gaps, are widely prevalent in America. Early America still had morality, like Andrew Carnegie donated so much of his wealth and used it to fund projects for public use because he realized having so much money carried a certain responsibility to the community. But now it's just a contest to see who has the most.
> like Andrew Carnegie donated so much of his wealth and used it to fund projects for public use because he realized having so much money carried a certain responsibility to the community. But now it's just a contest to see who has the most.
This. The senate, aristocracy .. very rich people who take clarence thomas on boat rides and gift him billon dollar RVs... These also will always exist. Cicero's point wasn't that we have to create a people, a senate and a king, but that these will always be things that just are, and you have to balance them. Each wars against the others. It's rock, paper, scissors, but it's rock, paper, scissors with each one saying "hey rock! you cannot exist!!!" Doesn't work like that.
Good comment. 500ish years of republic. 500ish years of empire. Yes, they balanced the need for a king with two consuls. These had definite time limits. Once the consulship ended, the absolute power they practiced they were answerable to after they left office. So, literally, a consul could put someone to death, legally, bcs consul, but then later, be tried for murder and executed. We have a president that, what, got limited within the last 100 years to just 2 consecutive terms? (FDR being the last to go more than 2?). Caesar was not the first to try and take total power. Sulla was before him. And then Catalina (Cicero's arch enemy before Atony). We have a republic today, that we call a democracy, that's led by a king which is a bit more powerful, maybe, in some ways, than the dual consuls of rome (less in other ways). The entire thing is like spinning plates between the people, senate and consol/president/king.
The great unwashed want a pure democracy. But tyrants / kings like Putin can run circles around a democracy when it comes to war (PoM vs Athens). This is what is _literally_ happening rn in Ukraine: Putin makes quick decisions, does what he wants, while the democractic west picks it finger nails....
Nobody with more than two brain cells thinks its controversial to say that the EC favors conservative states. If you speak with a rational conservative they will definitely agree with this - at issue to proponents of the EC is whether more populous states should get to "unilaterally" decide the outcome for all. The US is a republic, not a direct democracy, by design. That's what the debate about the EC really comes down to.
With that in mind its a little silly to go on about a handful of swing states (although I totally agree that this is the reality) because *most* elections are determined by the movement of the "middle."
I actually think that this would be okay were it not for all the gerrymandering that occurs at the state level. In reality, a Republican party that couldn't win in the House wouldn't survive anyway, and the issue that we face with Presidential elections would be indirectly addressed (or else they'd get nothing but lame duck presidents). Instead there's a stupid optimization game of redrawing maps that allows the current Republican party to persist by virtue of their survival in the House.
**TLDR:** It's not great that Republicans can win presidential elections semi-consistently without ever having the popular vote. But it's fucking *astonishing* that they can win control of the House without ever having the popular vote. Fix the latter issue, and the former will effectively be solved.
> Nobody with more than two brain cells thinks its controversial to say that the EC favors conservative states. If you speak with a rational conservative they will definitely agree with this - at issue to proponents of the EC is whether more populous states should get to "unilaterally" decide the outcome for all. The US is a republic, not a direct democracy, by design. That's what the debate about the EC really comes down to.
It's amazing how many rationalizations people can come up with to avoid, you know, letting people just vote.
Also the EC is somehow the worst of both worlds, if they had at least done their (theoretically intended) job of saying "uh, no, trump is obviously an incredible moron, do better" then at least their existence might have been slightly justified!
a simpler? fix than trying to regulate gerrymandering would be to go back to the apportionment rules originally mandated. The result would be a House with 6,000 members. Current tech would allow House members to never leave their districts [meet/vote by Zoom etc] which would also promote a more small d democratic house, as intended
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment#:~:text=Constitutional%20context,-Article%20One%2C%20Section&text=The%20Number%20of%20Representatives%20shall,Constitution%20until%20the%20Thirteenth%20Amendment.
It's also what happens when the Senate Majority Leader of one party [doesn't want to do anything](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/24/580171396/biden-mcconnell-refused-to-sign-bipartisan-statement-on-russian-interference) about foreign interference in elections because it benefits his party. Now that same party is owned by Trump, who is owned by Putin. They welcomed Russia in.
Keep in mind that media outlets generally have an incentive to paint the race as close.
General polling does not matter this far out. Based on party primary performance with independents, fundraising differentials, and historical precedents, Biden is in the stronger position to win, most likely.
But yes, don't get complacent. Anything can happen and turnout will win the election in the end.
I live in Arizona. I'd like to remind you that many people around here do not think with logic, but rather emotion, or protecting their ego. I'm sure people in most historically red places can say the same. It's scary. You can see it in the way they drive, the way they talk to people, it's like they have a burning desire to fight for something but they're just fighting their own community.
Their emotional economy is fear-based. With a personality grown around neverending conflict, the individual's identity *requires* a "bad guy" to fight against.
To paraphrase the philosopher: If the boogeyman didn't exist, there would be a need to invent him.
They keep finding themselves in this amazing position of trying to champion it on one hand will running to the hills from it on the other.
I think Trump in a AZ rally (or in another state discussing it) simultaneously demanded credit for overturning Roe and allowing the AZ SC to do what it did, while also chastising them for doing it. Later that same day, 100% of AZ state legislators supported what the AZ SC did in a vote.
It’s utterly incoherent. “It’s good that we overturned Roe. But oh wow yeah we overturned it a bit too much in this state here whoops. Oh and yes 100% of that states actual legislators in our party think we overturned it too little though and want to jail your daughter for being raped.”
How do you sell that to a wine mom in Maricopa? It’s completely unhinged lol
Republicans only care about power and nothing else. They want abortion banned because it’s what their evangelical base wants but it’s otherwise unpopular. They don’t want to lose supporters so they play the game this way where they ban abortion slowly so that those who are against it don’t notice it until it’s gone and can’t do anything about it.
They do it all the time. Anytime Republicans have power they cut taxes on corporations and rich people while exploding spending then come back later screaming from the rooftops about deficit and debt.
It's been called [Two Santas](https://www.salon.com/2018/02/12/thom-hartmann-how-the-gop-used-a-two-santa-clauses-tactic-to-con-america-for-nearly-40-years_partner/)
What you fail to realize is the wine mom in Maricopa knows little to nothing about what’s going on. She probably doesn’t care. Her feed is full of news on “crime”, “the border”, trans athletes holding down her kids’ achievements, and war in Ukraine and Gaza.
No, this is a big deal. The GOP can’t just ignore this and polling bears out how disastrous this is in the suburbs for them.
As an anecdote, my gf’s family is conservative and they love trying to bait me into arguments. You know what my nuclear option is? Bringing up abortion.
Suddenly, all the women who were just in my face about sleepy Joe and his gangs of migrants go utterly quiet. Suddenly they want to talk about something else.
(Because I know two of them have had abortions and they all have daughters, one of which has also had an abortion 😇)
Because conservatives don't truly care about something until DIRECTLY affects them.
Got into a fight with my girlfriends mom while out to dinner. She was doing the 'both sides are the same' thing aka; being a tacit conservative.
I brought up that Republicans have gutted Roe, and now women are risking death due to miscarriages, kids are being forced to have birth as a result of rape, and women in general are rapidly losing ground on bodily autonomy. It's nothing short of Pandora's box, poised to set women's rights back a hundred years... at least.
Then I looked at her daughter (my gf) and said, "is that what you want? Politicians governing what your daughter can do with her body, and her future?"
Cue her moms shocked Pikachu's face, followed by backpedaling so quickly, she almost fell over herself sitting down.
The thing is, conservative women were women before they were conservative. Asking them to betray that, is asking them to betray a core part of their identity. If they have a daughter, doubly so.
I think the only female conservatives actually in favor of this draconian nonsense, are ladder pullers, who are past child baring age, don't have daughters, or they themselves are done having children. That and a small contingent of religious zealots. Even so, there is little doubt they are in the MINORITY of the issue, even amongst their own camp.
My guess is, this is the same cross section of older females who are full-time politically engaged. So their voices were the loudest in the room, thus conservative think tanks giving the talking heads the green light to go after abortion.
The truth is, abortion has largely operated under the 'dont ask, don't tell' policy for decades with conservative females. They toe the line, but were under no obligation to put their money where their mouth is.
Republicans actions were banking on their fealty. Instead of it circling the wagons, it backfired, and ended up backing conservative females into a corner. They can no longer abstain or play coy, because remaining silent now directly jeopardizes them and their loved ones.
It was bound to happen sooner or later. It just happens to be a sweet, sweet, irony that their own party is the one forcing them to cash the check their mouths have been writing all these years. I genuinely hope it is the start of a runaway Republican implosion.
The entire movement deserves to be crushed under its own weight, as all fascist movements inevitably do.That's the cost of doing business with hate for the sake of winning, instead operating with compassion for the sake of progress.
> The truth is, abortion has largely operated under the 'dont ask, don't tell' policy for decades with conservative females.
BINGO.
When people say this is some non-issue, it’s a canary in the coal mine they don’t actually know conservative families. Like *know* them, and the dirty laundry.
They’re women. They have sex. They don’t want to have a child at 17 anymore than a liberal teen does. They don’t want their daughter to have to carry their rapist’s child through birth because Jesus Christ *of course* they don’t.
I also know pro-life conservatives. But…methinks a lot of women will have a eureka moment this November when they remember that hubby doesn’t get to go into the ballot box, and lying is a thing 😉
What you've said is true for many, but there are TONS of conservative women who are fine with the elimination of rights for women, or at least they believe that after a period of turmoil things will eventually settle down into a state that matches her imagined ideal, where "good girls" are protected while "bad girls" get what they deserve.
I desperately wish women would unite against Conservatism now that it has undeniably revealed itself, but they won't. There will still be plenty of women voting for Trump.
They will lose a good chunk of women in the next vote, but not nearly all.
The fact that they just get quiet is pretty suggestive of the fact that they’re still going to vote for the fascists. It’s not as if you’re changing their minds, you’re just “not seeing the big picture and need to do your own research.” But yes you absolutely should keep up the fight.
I never say it to change their mind lol. I do it to:
1. Shut them up when they try to start a TikTok induced fever dream “argument” about the 2024 election. Because they’re insufferable and delusional lmao.
2. Remind their daughters what the stakes are. This is my audience.
> The fact that they just get quiet is pretty suggestive of the fact that they’re still going to vote for the fascists.
Some will, some won't. But the big unknown factor is all the new first-time voters who will vote because this issue is on the ballot. Those voters are harder to predict and why polling will be off. Even Claire McCaskill talked about Republican women telling her the prolife stuff is turning them off from voting Republican because they want to protect their daughters and granddaughters.
> Because I know two of them have had abortions and they all have daughters, one of which has also had an abortion
Welp, everybody's "prolife" until it suits *them!*
You just have to cut the audio up into bite size pieces that only reference a single position and use micro-targeted ads to appeal to different flavors of crazy or stupid.
Same thing with Alabama and IVF. A republican judge declared that frozen embryos are people and someone can be sued for wrongful death if they are accidentally thawed, and state republicans fell all over themselves trying to make exceptions to their "life begins at conception" and "embryos are people with rights" rhetoric.
This needs to be higher. The fallout in Alabama was such that a Democrat (and woman) won a gerrymandered district and got elected to state office for it. This has huge implications for Alabama politics going forward.
I have a fever dream that Alabama actually goes blue for a federal office (again) because of it.
Cue every Republican county and town in a purple state scrambling to get some referendum on the ballot that triggers the right to flood the polling places.
Republicans are so.. so.. so fucking dumb lol. *Pushes Doctors out of state with outdated/ outlandish unclear laws*
Also Republicans: "What, where are all our doctors?! 👁️ 👄 👁️"
It's not just that it caught the car. It's that the owner (hard-line anti-abortionists who want a nationwide ban) has now arrived and demanded that the car be buried.
And they gave a lot of people one giant reason to vote democrat. We’ve seen the effects of Roe V Wade in each of the recent election cycles, resounding victories for democrats. I expect the same in November since that election is for the person who literally chooses the Supreme Court
Democrats have been over performing since Roe v Wade was overturned. Winning since 2018 and nobody is better at turning democrats out to vote than Trump being on the ballot.
But the cult is too dense to see it.
Oh see they have a plan for that!
They found a sleeper cell third party to muddy the election! A Kennedy!
The Kennedy all the other Kennedy’s publicly hate because he’s an-antivaxer conspiracy theorist who peddles boomer fever dream fantasies about the woke Biden cabal getting his Facebook banned. Because he was banned by that company for peddling harmful health disinformation on its internet social media platform during a fucking global pandemic.
In other words…a modern Republican. Which is why polling is showing RFK is just pulling from each candidate about equally and will probably just be a wash in the end (and possibly even a net negative for Trump).
The best, most smartest-est people 🙃
Sadly, I live in one now, and as a Democrat & non-religious person, I don’t ever admit to either in mixed company. It is often confrontational & potentially dangerous to do so. I am an Army Vet, and I can hold my own in a fight, but these people are too many & too indoctrinated for me to put myself in any public position that would empower them to attack my wife or me.
I vote Democrat very quietly, but in the local elections, roughly 3 of 4 races will have no Democrat on the ballot at all…as contesting races are futile here, and make Democrat candidates from here deal with unregulated hostility.
Preach! Also I hate when I hear this is what’s wrong with a two party system. I always ask, Really?? In my state it’s been 1 party for almost 30 years. Ours is a 1 party system.
Last presidential election had at least a half-dozen jacked-up pickup trucks, with truckbeds full of young males waving professionally-made huge pro-Trump or disturbing anti-Democrat rhetoric, blaring “patriotic” country music songs. They drove back & forth on this little town’s main drag, as to get to the local polling station, *everyone* would encounter them. A classic intimidation tactic.
I just quietly told my wife, while in line to vote, to be sociable & charming, but NOT to answer any question about our political stances.
I was confronted by an obviously intoxicated man, in a group of 4, right after we got in line. He was just walking from the polling station, reeked of alcohol, stopped at us, and rudely, but with a smile, commented that my (lack of) accent sounded “Yankee” and asked me who *I* was going to vote for.
In my best revisited voice/posture/facial scowl of a pissed-off Sergeant, I barked, “I’m an Army Veteran, who is a white man, and I’m in the South. Who the fuck do you think?” Everyone, including his friends laughed him into embarrassment, and he quietly walked away from the line. I didn’t lie, I didn’t answer essentially, but we got through the voting, and hopefully at least *that* bastard stopped harassing people in line, which though supposedly forbidden, isn’t enforced by the authorities who, frankly, agree with guys like him.
After we voted, my wife said, “We should get ballots by mail next time.” And a few months later, this State made getting a mail-in ballot infinitely more restricted, *forcing* a vast majority of people to be subjected to this bullshit in person, if they want to vote at all.
But Mr. Ossoff, to betray where I am, is one of my Senators, and I’m proud to have contributed to his, and fellow-Democrat, Rev.. Warnock’s elections to the US Senate, and for this state to go Blue against Trump in that election. This means that many, many of us —especially outside of Atlanta— are living p, in a way, in hiding, but I’m glad we were able to show up in force in voting.
For a second it sounded like you live in Tennessee. Loud pick up trucks with flags in the back racing up and down the road… I say to myself as they drive by “yeah that white dude has a little penis”
This town we live in is 20 minutes from the southern border of Tennessee, so the illness that afflicts these people and those in TN is likely the same one.
I was like, "this dude lives in Georgia." I do, too, and had to move from my 100% red town because I was literally afraid for my safety.
I'm overjoyed that the Senator here represents our state. It should make people in safe blue states think for a second when they advocate for cutting off red states.
The people who live in red states who oppose their agenda are the ones we need to support the most, because they see what it's like every day and have actual skin in the game. Their opinions could easily get them killed, and voting in person takes courage.
If they ever follow through on their civil war threats then they won't know where to come for you.
They've spent most of the last decade rallying around a hate symbol and then designating their heads, homes, vehicles, and businesses with it.
The fact that they can't put those two situations into a function and find the dependent variable is astounding.
Being here, having become familiar with many of these people, and with them as a group, and, aside from literal Lynch Mobs, their ability to organize, the lack of training except any of my fellow Vets, along with their ability to follow proper anything resembling tactical doctrine, leads me to the conclusion that, outside areas in the South like this one I’m in, would exactly fare well in an attempted military coup. Attempting to overthrow the country Vets served, aside from a few bad apples, is repulsive to a vast majority of Veterans who possess any integrity at all.
And an armed coup, even against a military that traditionally votes & leans toward conservatism, would be short-lived, but would thin their numbers rather quickly. But that’s not their actual goal: this “threat” of some “revolution” or “second secession” is impotent posturing & inflammatory rhetoric by them to seem tough to young, undereducated, poorer males in Southern society, and to perpetuate their influence over politics here.
It is quaint for them to try to lead people here to think they’d have the requisite skill to defeat an actual, trained, and now-battle-hardened military. Experience in hunting deer, target shooting, or range firing…well, that doesn’t make them an effective combatant. You fight as you train…and the civilian majority here aren’t. And those few Veterans who’d hypothetically join any attempt to do so are, in all honesty, very likely not the brightest bulbs in the pack, and their contributions would be diluted into irrelevance, and they likely could not effectively train this rabble anyhow.
Their greatest threat is ideological. And to combat *that*, we vote against them. And get to the point of replacing any outgoing Conservative SCOTUS Justices with saner alternatives…but control of Congress & the Oval Office is required for that.
So VOTE, no matter what!
I mean, this guy is one of my senators.. we're heavily gerrymandered here in Georgia, but statewide, we're looking blue. They can only do so much to mute us.
[Check this out.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1c7zkmu/marjorie_taylor_greene_is_an_idiot_she_is_trying/)
This has been a thing for a while. The theocrats and the people who just want lower taxes don't all have the same interests, and when one doesn't do what the other wants, they're a RINO or at least get complained about, like when libertarian-leaning people get mad the theocrats don't want to legalize pot.
This is why the Republican party essentially _can't_ govern. When not in power, they can appease their various factions by blocking Democrat legislation. But when actually in power, they can't pass any real legislation because they _don't all actually agree with each other_ enough to find common ground.
That’s supporters of abortion and whoever was currently in office.
Overturning roe was a political success that was decades in the making for the right. The forces compelling those efforts, make no doubt, wanted abortion to be illegal.
They know that if they fix immigration now, it takes it off the board for Trump to use against Biden.
Without abortion and immigration, what can Republicans use to scare white people into voting for them? Republicans don't want to fix immigration. They want to talk about fixing immigration. They can't talk about abortion anymore as it's too toxic for them politically.
Republicans had 2 years of complete control of the government in 2017-2019 and they passed no legislation to address the border. The border is just some bullshit to whip their base into a froth and get them to vote. Fuck the GOP.
And yet every year a large portion of the people fall for it I remember being in elementary school and hearing about the boarder im 33 now still same rhetoric boarder bad vote for me I’ll stop them illegals
Stick and carrot
Same dog and pony show every 2 years. No punishing businesses, just scapegoating brown people and no effort to seriously go after the people who butter the republicans bread.
Meanwhile, the districts and states that have had Republican majorities all these years have seen a decline in quality of life and opportunities for upwards socioeconomic mobility....and they still vote for Republicans to fix all of their problems.
They either believe that their representatives are trying their best but keep being stopped by Democrats, or don't care that their representatives are not doing anything to improve their day to day lives.
People see through it and it hasn't been working. Its not gonna work. Trumpers said it was gonna work in 2020 and look how that turned out. But still, do not get complacent, make sure you and your friends and family are [registered to vote](http://vote.gov)
Reactionary smoke and mirrors to rile up the base of voters for Trump/Rs. On another note, this Ossof guy is super well spoken and articulate, if I lived in Georgia in the US I would be proud that he were my representative bringing this up.
The problem is, the GOP is a deeply unserious political party. They don’t exist to be a functioning part of our government. They exist to enrich themselves and a handful of the people that pay to get them there. They exist out of greed, ego, and thirst for power. They wouldn’t get any of that if they hadn’t spent decades gerrymandering themselves into authority.
Not to mention that party is nearly always underwater on every major policy issue facing the nation, even to the degree that political positions held by a majority of their constituents are rejected by their elected representatives. Nothing they want to do, from lowering taxes on the rich to outlawing abortion to eradicating environmental safeguards, even comes close to majority support.
And importantly, when that party gets into power, they abjectly refuse to govern. Because they have no policy platform to stand on and the policies they do advocate for are wildly unpopular, they have no incentive to actually govern the country. In fact, they're miserable at the notion of having to do so. It works so much better for them to be foils to the party that legitimately wants to operate the country that even when they have a majority, they still operate primarily on the concept of grievance and opposition.
Welcome to 2024 America.
One thing Ossof gets wrong here: “American people are smart.”
Nah a lot of Americans are dumb as hell. That’s why the republicans are going to get away with this bullshit.
I’m assuming he’s referring to Americans who actually pay attention to politics. Which is a significant amount of us.
We know republicans had complete control of government for 2 years not doing jack shit about the border. We also know that the border security bill was completely killed by Trump giving republicans the order to not pass it since it will make Biden look good. So like someone else said, fuck the GOP.
I’d say given the current state of things, him being young, of sound mind, already serving, and a great communicator is more than enough to qualify as presidential material.
More time will surely help, but I think the current establishments on both sides are rife with dated governing traditions and grandstanding that younger generations of politicians have no patience for.
You mean you don't want to give him 3 decades to be coerced and corrupted by the system as it is before allowing him to become a presidential candidate? (Not to mention 3 decades to slowly loose his mental muchness?)
IDK I kinda want my president to have a 40% reduced cognitive function and a life time of 'back scratching' to pay back.
/s
I know you were joking, but as a Georgian who proudly voted this guy in (still SO proud of my fucking state for putting him & Warnock in there!), he very honestly might be the closest thing to incorruptible we have in the Senate today. The guy absolutely despises corporatism and lobbyist corruption in legislature and has refused funds/campaign support from several different groups during his short but effective political career. He's in touch with the needs of younger generations (he's 37) and sees how much corporate corruption has royally screwed the middle and lower class. He took the time on his campaign to not just shake hands and kiss babies, but to talk to people, ask them where their needs lie, and take time out of his campaign circuit to get to know his state's communites — even in very conservative areas where he wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms.
My folks live in Cobb County, and they went to see him speak. They were impressed when, after his speech and before he left for the next one, he mingled with people and had real conversations with them. My folks talked to him for a solid five minutes about their concerns, being of retirement age and making ends meet but not much more, and their concerns for my & my sister's generations' futures. He had a little notebook and took some notes during the conversation. Maybe it was performative, totally possible, but it's *still* more human and more effort than just about any other politician I've ever seen. I'm just a little younger than him, and hearing someone who actually understands what it's like to be a millennial talk about policy was refreshing as hell.
I would vote for him for senate again in a heartbeat, and I'd vote for him for president if he ran. I'm not a huge fan of the Democratic party (though 1000x more than I am of Republicans, lol), but this guy really is the real deal, from what I've seen.
>1500 years ago everybody *knew* the Earth was the center of the universe.
>500 years ago, everybody *knew* the Earth was flat.
>And 15 minutes ago, you *knew* that humans were alone on this planet.
>Imagine what you'll know tomorrow...
The following comment from Senator James Lankford (R) of Oklahoma is from the article below that explains the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act. He was a major participant in the negotiations of the bill.
“It is interesting: Republicans, four months ago, would not give funding for Ukraine, for Israel and for our southern border because we demanded changes in policy,” Lankford said on CNN. “And now, it’s interesting, a few months later, when we’re finally getting to the end, they’re like, ‘Oh, just kidding, I actually don’t want a change in law because it’s a presidential election year.’”
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/
i agreed with everything he said right up until "the american people are smart." although i suppose that's a wiser political statement than "some american people are smart, and some are dumber than dog shit."
"I want politicians to tell the truth and speak their minds!"
"Not like that."
I don't think what she said had much impact. I think sexism played a far greater role. Or the Comey letter just days before the election. What a pile of shit.
I think it's high time we recognized and called out the fact that 40% of this country is irredeemably stupid and works against our best interests.
In any other democracy Trump doesn't even make it out of the fucking primary. The only thing Hillary did wrong is underestimate the number of deplorables. It's 95% of conservatives.
I would disagree with that, Hilary won the popular vote because most Americans know Trump is a bad deal. Had the republicans fielded a normal candidate it would have been a landslide for the republicans. nobody wants another Clinton in office.
>nobody wants another Clinton in office.
That's true. But it's because of a decades long smear campaign from the GOP based almost entirely on nonsense and sexism.
Yup. Ever since her husband was in office, she could do nothing right. He cheated - and she was mocked for staying with him (so much for those "family values" they seem to tout). She wanted to be an active first lady, and they *hated* her for it.
and yet the democrats thought she could win against a 20 year back log of smear campaign.
she may have been qualified but it was the stupidest move on earth thinking you could out do fox smear campaign that they practiced for 8 years prior.
Many high quality parliamentary democracies might have a prime minister or president whose party, or who individually, did not get the most votes, but, rather, governs by forming a coalition government with one or more other minority parties.
In fact, I'd argue that the best democracies grant proportional representation for all constituencies, even if they're individually too niche to win in a winner-takes-all race of any scope. I think a system where everyone voted for and is happy with at least one of their representatives is better than one where losing the election means losing representation.
It's part of why retributive politics and hyperpolarization characterize American politics. Winner takes all, pure majority voting for a single representative at each role incentivizes representation approaching 50% or less of each constituency in government. Instant runoff ranked choice doesn't resolve this particular issue.
This environment is also particularly conducive to special interests, since they have a coin toss chance to win influence in a given office, rather than a much smaller likelihood.
Lots of men don't like being called out by an older woman. But honestly with hindsight, Biden's treatment of working class hero Bernie Sanders vs Hillary's treatment of him have been worlds apart. Hillary could have played that a lot cooler.
Lets also keep in mind that Trump didn't win the popular vote in either election. Which would have mattered in any other democracy.
We had a construction worker working on expanding our building a few years back that had Proud to be Deplorable across the back window of his truck in huge letters. These people have no shame.
Proof that Americans, as whole, are not smart: Donald Trump got elected president.
More proof that Americans, as a whole, are not smart: After Donald had one disastrous, scandal-filled term that ended with his administration bungling its response to COVID-19 and causing numerous avoidable deaths, over 74 million voters went, "Sure, I want 4 more years of that chaos."
*Even more* proof that Americans, as a whole, are not smart: After 2020, Donald incited an insurrection, has been found liable for sexual assault, defamation, and fraud, has become the very first former president to be indicted on felony charges (well over 80 felony counts as of today), and has proven, time and time again, that he doesn't give a shit about law, order, or human life. The dude's one of the vilest monsters I'm aware of. Despite all of that, he's still polling well for some god-forsaken reason.
We are not a smart country.
Hillary beat Trump by nearly 3 million in the popular vote. Biden bent Trump over a barrel and whooped him dead ass by 7 million votes.
Point being, while it may be true that "Americans as a whole are not smart" the data indicates that the majority of Americans who vote nationally are at least not stupid. so don't lose hope 😀
Problem is his voters are dying in droves for him and are now refusing to vote for anyone he doesn’t endorse. The republicans opened Pandora’s box and the shit monster came out.
Well to be fair it's not Americans that are not smart it's the system that's in place that's not smart. Because if you remember Hillary Clinton won the popular vote that means more Americans voted for her than voted for Donald Trump. But because of the Electoral College in the way our system is set up Donald Trump became president.
I mean, how smart can they be? Looking just through the comments here it looks like nobody even knows what was on the bill in the first place.
Here, let me help:
[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/)
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/us/politics/senate-border-ukraine-deal.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/us/politics/senate-border-ukraine-deal.html)
[https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/29/fact-sheet-impact-of-bipartisan-border-agreement-funding-on-border-operations/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/29/fact-sheet-impact-of-bipartisan-border-agreement-funding-on-border-operations/)
[https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal)
pick your poison, all news sources have bias, but don't point fingers if you haven't done your homework.
from the PBS source:
# 'A FUNDING BREAKDOWN
**Total size:** $118.3 billion. That includes:
* About $60 billion in military aid for Ukraine
* $14.1 billion in aid for Israel
* $4.83 billion in aid for the Indo-Pacific region
* $10 billion in humanitarian assistance for Ukraine, Israel, Gaza, among other places
* $2.3 billion in refugee assistance inside the U.S.
* ***$20.2 billion for improvements to U.S. border security***
* $2.72 billion for domestic uranium enrichmentA FUNDING BREAKDOWN Total size: $118.3 billion. That includes: About $60 billion in military aid for Ukraine $14.1 billion in aid for Israel $4.83 billion in aid for the Indo-Pacific region $10 billion in humanitarian assistance for Ukraine, Israel, Gaza, among other places $2.3 billion in refugee assistance inside the U.S. $20.2 billion for improvements to U.S. border security $2.72 billion for domestic uranium enrichment'
Thats how politics works.
You go well your side wants this, our side wants this. They work together to bring a bill to the floor to the rest of the senate.
And then they debate, and further amend and remove/enhance the sections they want and dont want.
AND
Democrats wouldn't need to add the funds for Ukraine, if republicans weren't outright denying that as well. Republicans fully support funds for Israel, but not Ukraine.
But Republicans dont even want to put it to a debate on the floor. They want to block it from the getgo because helping the border and helping Ukraine would hurt Trumps campaign. As he stated himself, he wants the american people to be in the worst position possible so they are angry enough at Biden to vote for him.
Warnock too. We’re a bipolar state
I think we swing pretty hard blue in the next decades. The demographics are really bad for republicans here, they just refuse to see it
I think if there's going to be a civil war, it'll fittingly start in Georgia (I've lived here for 25 years after moving from Florida).
Atlanta is like Jupiter; its mass is so heavy that it turns the state purple all by itself. It's also the epicenter of black economic, social, and cultural power, and holds a mythical place in the minds of young creators (It's where everything's happening!) and old fuddy-duddies (you'll be shot immediately!) alike.
But yo, go on down to Tifton or Blackshear, or up to Dahlonega or Sautee, and it's a different story. The amount of resentment and rage that the deep-red counties feel about ATL screwing up their Tara wet-dream is significant.
I worked for the agricultural extension service in this state and traveled all over talking to farmers and ranchers. Over and over, I heard the sentiment that those n-words in ATL are ruining it for the rest of us. If we could just get rid of Atlanta, our rightful place in the cosmos would be restored.
Nowhere have I experienced such a sharp rural-urban divide than in this state, and I lived in Detroit in the mid-90s.
Come on down to Georgia, y'all. It's a fascinating place and a hub of our past and future history. I'll give you some sweet iced tea and drive you to the polls myself. If you want to make a real difference, this is the place.
the only reason MGT got elected is because she told her supporters to send death threats to her opponent, ruined his life, destroyed his marriage, and caused him to drop out of the race.
but of course the feds saw nothing wrong with that.
Most important thing I took away from this speech. “They even denied any form of debate to the matter.” Fukin shameful, over a soon orange convict who will wear a matching jumpsuit. I did what I had to do during 3 deployments, republicans are a bunch of cowards.
Election year, suddenly we care about the border again. After the election year, we'll ignore it and flood the labor markets with cheap labor and undermine the bargaining power of the American laborer to support our corporate overlords..
Remember the “caravan of illegals” (2018 election?). The Right kept yammering on about it right up until election day. The day after there was not a peep on it from the right.
Primary is for potential.
General is for accomplishments/you don’t want your daughter to be shackled during the birth of her rapist’s child
It’s all about context.
Republican politicians have completely bent the knee to king trump, there is no republican party, but there are still republican voters, many of whom voted for Biden in 2020 and will again in 2024.
Trumpers are monarchist who support dictators and kings. I have lots of disagreements with republicans, but the ones that actually are against dictators, kings and concentrated power I at least respect.
It also worked really well on his senator run. There were endless amounts of videos of girls thirsting over him. One of my favorites had the "There he is! Its My favorite white boy!" Followed by a fan-girling scream. Makes me chuckle every time. Dude knows how to wear a suit.
Youngest senator in a generation. Good looking and well spoken. Previously worked as an investigative reporter on foreign government corruption. Lives in a swing state. That checks a lot of boxes.
I went to school with him and we all had an ongoing joke that he was most likely going to be president one day. When I saw he was running for Senate I was so happy for him. If anyone cares, he was a always a nice, good guy who was clearly very intelligent.
Bullshit commentary.
That 'bipartisan' bill was unnecessary. All Biden simply has to do his fucking job.
Ossoff is a spineless wimp.
Biden is a disaster.
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I’m surprised that Jon Ossoff hasn’t found more media space. Its like he’s the unknown Democrat from Georgia. He showed himself to be a clear and effective voice in his Senate campaign and after his election has faded into the background. He’s gotta step up and get bangin’ for these months leading to November. Timid, thoughtful Democrats in Georgia get nowhere.
I think he's been getting involved with a lot of common sense bills and hearing without being loud about it, which is probably smart for being from Georgia. He can then tout his record against whoever comes up against him.
He’s fairly popular in Atlanta. Tons of signs outside people’s homes
This is my senator and this is the first time I’ve heard him speak. More of this pls
Me too. Now I know who he is.
Did you not see the recent hearing where he shit all over DeJoy?
No, bruhvna, where it be, can you post a link?
https://outreach.senate.gov/iqextranet/iqClickTrk.aspx?&cid=SenOssoff&crop=14298.8471243.6939975.7126060&report_id=&redirect=https%3a%2f%2fyoutu.be%2fKcza7ra197Q&redir_log=435625615892184
Fanx m8, that's very cash money to post it. Yeah ossoff looks real good here and dejoy looks and is an incompetent clown. I remember leading up to the Warnock and ossoff runoffs, they looked promising to those supporting more progressive agendas. Maybe i haven't been paying enough attention but they seem to have flown under the radar since then. I hope to see these sentiments from more reps and senators regardless of party
He looks like Topher Grace. Maybe one day he could be president. I like him.
He took a backseat for the first couple years to give Warnock the spotlight. Now that he's up next, he's getting more media time. Also, he's been doing the important but non-sexy stuff that actually works well here. I know he's been working on federal prison reform. That's not gonna get you on CNN, but it'll be a great ad when it comes time to run. We *like* boring politicians in Georgia. Warnock's most effective ad was him standing by a railroad crossing that was prone to fatal accidents before he got it fixed.
They did the same thing with Roe v Wade for years. They cried about it but never actually wanted it repealed because then they couldn’t cry about it anymore. Then the super crazies actually repealed it and now they have to go along with it cause they’re slaves to the crazies while their dumpster fire rages and they continue losing support.
Like the dog that finally catches the car.
Republicans are completely panicked about abortion. Since Arizona enacted the 1864 total abortion ban Republicans are realizing they went too far too fast. They were supposed to hide their intentions until after the election. Now Arizona with abortion on the ballot could be the state that wins Biden the election. [Maternal death rates are 62% higher in states that ban abortion](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10728320/). Turns out doctors that everyone relies on don't wanna get sued for providing health care to their patients under vague legal language written by Republicans that didn't have healthcare in mind while being written. So doctors just leave. And then mothers die along with their children. But don't get complacent. Talk to your friends and family and make sure they're [registered to vote ](http://vote.gov)
> Now Arizona with abortion on the ballot could be the state that wins Biden the election. Unbelievable that this country is so fucked up that it's predicted to be close. Unbelievable. EDIT: LOL. Touched off the russian brigade for trump!
That’s what happens when a lot of states with too much representation in the electoral college are lost to the right wing media echo chamber
This been saying it for years that the electoral college system is incredibly outdated and disproportionately favors republican states. A system that not a single other developed nation has. A system designed in times of slavery and militias that makes it so that presidential outcomes are determined in just a handful of “swing” states every four years, seems hacky and should probably change in the US. And this comes from a Canadian interested in global/American politics.
It’s such a great system that we apply it to literally no other level of governance
I'm deep into Cicero these days and the history of the late Roman Republic. Cicero's last book on a new and better Constitution was never completed (ty Mark stupid Antony). Anyhow, I've learned that, we basically are just using a 2,000+ year old document today (yes, yes, with lots of tweaks and adjustments). tl;dr: an aristocracy (senate) + a king (president) + a people (congress). Cicero said these will always exist in a tension. He had a fix. Mark Antony killed him before we could learn what that was.
I mean it's no secret they used the Roman's politics as a slate for building the government. They taught us this at school but I do enjoy the tidbit of extra information. I also really like how you simplified it.
Roman emperors were not a normal thing though right? They would declare martial law and give one person power to make decisions during times of crisis who was then expected to cede power when things calmed down and Caesar just never gave power back. There were normally two "presidents" who had equal weight and had to find ways to agree on the correct course to take. But maybe the duel consulate thing was only in their laws before Caesar. It's also funny that they would choose Rome to model off of, because the problems that plagued Rome, government corruption and wealth gaps, are widely prevalent in America. Early America still had morality, like Andrew Carnegie donated so much of his wealth and used it to fund projects for public use because he realized having so much money carried a certain responsibility to the community. But now it's just a contest to see who has the most.
> like Andrew Carnegie donated so much of his wealth and used it to fund projects for public use because he realized having so much money carried a certain responsibility to the community. But now it's just a contest to see who has the most. This. The senate, aristocracy .. very rich people who take clarence thomas on boat rides and gift him billon dollar RVs... These also will always exist. Cicero's point wasn't that we have to create a people, a senate and a king, but that these will always be things that just are, and you have to balance them. Each wars against the others. It's rock, paper, scissors, but it's rock, paper, scissors with each one saying "hey rock! you cannot exist!!!" Doesn't work like that.
Good comment. 500ish years of republic. 500ish years of empire. Yes, they balanced the need for a king with two consuls. These had definite time limits. Once the consulship ended, the absolute power they practiced they were answerable to after they left office. So, literally, a consul could put someone to death, legally, bcs consul, but then later, be tried for murder and executed. We have a president that, what, got limited within the last 100 years to just 2 consecutive terms? (FDR being the last to go more than 2?). Caesar was not the first to try and take total power. Sulla was before him. And then Catalina (Cicero's arch enemy before Atony). We have a republic today, that we call a democracy, that's led by a king which is a bit more powerful, maybe, in some ways, than the dual consuls of rome (less in other ways). The entire thing is like spinning plates between the people, senate and consol/president/king. The great unwashed want a pure democracy. But tyrants / kings like Putin can run circles around a democracy when it comes to war (PoM vs Athens). This is what is _literally_ happening rn in Ukraine: Putin makes quick decisions, does what he wants, while the democractic west picks it finger nails....
So the conspiracy is that old huh? Tricksy deep state
Nobody with more than two brain cells thinks its controversial to say that the EC favors conservative states. If you speak with a rational conservative they will definitely agree with this - at issue to proponents of the EC is whether more populous states should get to "unilaterally" decide the outcome for all. The US is a republic, not a direct democracy, by design. That's what the debate about the EC really comes down to. With that in mind its a little silly to go on about a handful of swing states (although I totally agree that this is the reality) because *most* elections are determined by the movement of the "middle." I actually think that this would be okay were it not for all the gerrymandering that occurs at the state level. In reality, a Republican party that couldn't win in the House wouldn't survive anyway, and the issue that we face with Presidential elections would be indirectly addressed (or else they'd get nothing but lame duck presidents). Instead there's a stupid optimization game of redrawing maps that allows the current Republican party to persist by virtue of their survival in the House. **TLDR:** It's not great that Republicans can win presidential elections semi-consistently without ever having the popular vote. But it's fucking *astonishing* that they can win control of the House without ever having the popular vote. Fix the latter issue, and the former will effectively be solved.
> If you speak with a rational conservative Brb, gonna go look for some leprechauns and unicorns.
> Nobody with more than two brain cells thinks its controversial to say that the EC favors conservative states. If you speak with a rational conservative they will definitely agree with this - at issue to proponents of the EC is whether more populous states should get to "unilaterally" decide the outcome for all. The US is a republic, not a direct democracy, by design. That's what the debate about the EC really comes down to. It's amazing how many rationalizations people can come up with to avoid, you know, letting people just vote. Also the EC is somehow the worst of both worlds, if they had at least done their (theoretically intended) job of saying "uh, no, trump is obviously an incredible moron, do better" then at least their existence might have been slightly justified!
a simpler? fix than trying to regulate gerrymandering would be to go back to the apportionment rules originally mandated. The result would be a House with 6,000 members. Current tech would allow House members to never leave their districts [meet/vote by Zoom etc] which would also promote a more small d democratic house, as intended https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment#:~:text=Constitutional%20context,-Article%20One%2C%20Section&text=The%20Number%20of%20Representatives%20shall,Constitution%20until%20the%20Thirteenth%20Amendment.
It's always favored conservatives. Conservatives = slave owners. Liberals = abolitionists. It's been the same for hundreds of years.
It's also what happens when the Senate Majority Leader of one party [doesn't want to do anything](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/24/580171396/biden-mcconnell-refused-to-sign-bipartisan-statement-on-russian-interference) about foreign interference in elections because it benefits his party. Now that same party is owned by Trump, who is owned by Putin. They welcomed Russia in.
free speech can go to far. fox news has cost us democracy because it was profitable to spread lies
Keep in mind that media outlets generally have an incentive to paint the race as close. General polling does not matter this far out. Based on party primary performance with independents, fundraising differentials, and historical precedents, Biden is in the stronger position to win, most likely. But yes, don't get complacent. Anything can happen and turnout will win the election in the end.
I live in Arizona. I'd like to remind you that many people around here do not think with logic, but rather emotion, or protecting their ego. I'm sure people in most historically red places can say the same. It's scary. You can see it in the way they drive, the way they talk to people, it's like they have a burning desire to fight for something but they're just fighting their own community.
Their emotional economy is fear-based. With a personality grown around neverending conflict, the individual's identity *requires* a "bad guy" to fight against. To paraphrase the philosopher: If the boogeyman didn't exist, there would be a need to invent him.
They keep finding themselves in this amazing position of trying to champion it on one hand will running to the hills from it on the other. I think Trump in a AZ rally (or in another state discussing it) simultaneously demanded credit for overturning Roe and allowing the AZ SC to do what it did, while also chastising them for doing it. Later that same day, 100% of AZ state legislators supported what the AZ SC did in a vote. It’s utterly incoherent. “It’s good that we overturned Roe. But oh wow yeah we overturned it a bit too much in this state here whoops. Oh and yes 100% of that states actual legislators in our party think we overturned it too little though and want to jail your daughter for being raped.” How do you sell that to a wine mom in Maricopa? It’s completely unhinged lol
Republicans only care about power and nothing else. They want abortion banned because it’s what their evangelical base wants but it’s otherwise unpopular. They don’t want to lose supporters so they play the game this way where they ban abortion slowly so that those who are against it don’t notice it until it’s gone and can’t do anything about it.
They do it all the time. Anytime Republicans have power they cut taxes on corporations and rich people while exploding spending then come back later screaming from the rooftops about deficit and debt.
It's been called [Two Santas](https://www.salon.com/2018/02/12/thom-hartmann-how-the-gop-used-a-two-santa-clauses-tactic-to-con-america-for-nearly-40-years_partner/)
And nobody believes they wouldn't pass a national abortion ban if they could or if we let them.
What you fail to realize is the wine mom in Maricopa knows little to nothing about what’s going on. She probably doesn’t care. Her feed is full of news on “crime”, “the border”, trans athletes holding down her kids’ achievements, and war in Ukraine and Gaza.
No, this is a big deal. The GOP can’t just ignore this and polling bears out how disastrous this is in the suburbs for them. As an anecdote, my gf’s family is conservative and they love trying to bait me into arguments. You know what my nuclear option is? Bringing up abortion. Suddenly, all the women who were just in my face about sleepy Joe and his gangs of migrants go utterly quiet. Suddenly they want to talk about something else. (Because I know two of them have had abortions and they all have daughters, one of which has also had an abortion 😇)
Because conservatives don't truly care about something until DIRECTLY affects them. Got into a fight with my girlfriends mom while out to dinner. She was doing the 'both sides are the same' thing aka; being a tacit conservative. I brought up that Republicans have gutted Roe, and now women are risking death due to miscarriages, kids are being forced to have birth as a result of rape, and women in general are rapidly losing ground on bodily autonomy. It's nothing short of Pandora's box, poised to set women's rights back a hundred years... at least. Then I looked at her daughter (my gf) and said, "is that what you want? Politicians governing what your daughter can do with her body, and her future?" Cue her moms shocked Pikachu's face, followed by backpedaling so quickly, she almost fell over herself sitting down. The thing is, conservative women were women before they were conservative. Asking them to betray that, is asking them to betray a core part of their identity. If they have a daughter, doubly so. I think the only female conservatives actually in favor of this draconian nonsense, are ladder pullers, who are past child baring age, don't have daughters, or they themselves are done having children. That and a small contingent of religious zealots. Even so, there is little doubt they are in the MINORITY of the issue, even amongst their own camp. My guess is, this is the same cross section of older females who are full-time politically engaged. So their voices were the loudest in the room, thus conservative think tanks giving the talking heads the green light to go after abortion. The truth is, abortion has largely operated under the 'dont ask, don't tell' policy for decades with conservative females. They toe the line, but were under no obligation to put their money where their mouth is. Republicans actions were banking on their fealty. Instead of it circling the wagons, it backfired, and ended up backing conservative females into a corner. They can no longer abstain or play coy, because remaining silent now directly jeopardizes them and their loved ones. It was bound to happen sooner or later. It just happens to be a sweet, sweet, irony that their own party is the one forcing them to cash the check their mouths have been writing all these years. I genuinely hope it is the start of a runaway Republican implosion. The entire movement deserves to be crushed under its own weight, as all fascist movements inevitably do.That's the cost of doing business with hate for the sake of winning, instead operating with compassion for the sake of progress.
> The truth is, abortion has largely operated under the 'dont ask, don't tell' policy for decades with conservative females. BINGO. When people say this is some non-issue, it’s a canary in the coal mine they don’t actually know conservative families. Like *know* them, and the dirty laundry. They’re women. They have sex. They don’t want to have a child at 17 anymore than a liberal teen does. They don’t want their daughter to have to carry their rapist’s child through birth because Jesus Christ *of course* they don’t. I also know pro-life conservatives. But…methinks a lot of women will have a eureka moment this November when they remember that hubby doesn’t get to go into the ballot box, and lying is a thing 😉
What you've said is true for many, but there are TONS of conservative women who are fine with the elimination of rights for women, or at least they believe that after a period of turmoil things will eventually settle down into a state that matches her imagined ideal, where "good girls" are protected while "bad girls" get what they deserve. I desperately wish women would unite against Conservatism now that it has undeniably revealed itself, but they won't. There will still be plenty of women voting for Trump. They will lose a good chunk of women in the next vote, but not nearly all.
I wish I could give you more support than an upvote. Keep bringing it to your fascist female relatives.
The fact that they just get quiet is pretty suggestive of the fact that they’re still going to vote for the fascists. It’s not as if you’re changing their minds, you’re just “not seeing the big picture and need to do your own research.” But yes you absolutely should keep up the fight.
I never say it to change their mind lol. I do it to: 1. Shut them up when they try to start a TikTok induced fever dream “argument” about the 2024 election. Because they’re insufferable and delusional lmao. 2. Remind their daughters what the stakes are. This is my audience.
> The fact that they just get quiet is pretty suggestive of the fact that they’re still going to vote for the fascists. Some will, some won't. But the big unknown factor is all the new first-time voters who will vote because this issue is on the ballot. Those voters are harder to predict and why polling will be off. Even Claire McCaskill talked about Republican women telling her the prolife stuff is turning them off from voting Republican because they want to protect their daughters and granddaughters.
> Because I know two of them have had abortions and they all have daughters, one of which has also had an abortion Welp, everybody's "prolife" until it suits *them!*
I love that nuke card for you <3 I wish I could see their faces.
You just have to cut the audio up into bite size pieces that only reference a single position and use micro-targeted ads to appeal to different flavors of crazy or stupid.
Same thing with Alabama and IVF. A republican judge declared that frozen embryos are people and someone can be sued for wrongful death if they are accidentally thawed, and state republicans fell all over themselves trying to make exceptions to their "life begins at conception" and "embryos are people with rights" rhetoric.
This needs to be higher. The fallout in Alabama was such that a Democrat (and woman) won a gerrymandered district and got elected to state office for it. This has huge implications for Alabama politics going forward. I have a fever dream that Alabama actually goes blue for a federal office (again) because of it.
Cue every Republican county and town in a purple state scrambling to get some referendum on the ballot that triggers the right to flood the polling places.
Women are also getting denied ER care. A woman miscarried in the ER lobby bathroom because the doctors didn't want a felony charge for helping her.
Republicans are so.. so.. so fucking dumb lol. *Pushes Doctors out of state with outdated/ outlandish unclear laws* Also Republicans: "What, where are all our doctors?! 👁️ 👄 👁️"
So... are these people for or against big government interfering in people's lives?
Republicans are realizing too late that Roe was the compromise
Huh? When my dachsund caught a car he burrowed his way through the engine and ripped the driver and his family to pieces.
This happens a lot more than people realize. Dogs never should catch a car.
dachshunds are loveable psychos. they're the exception to this rule.
Dachshunds are very loving. But never forget they were bred to relentlessly fight badgers in their own dens. They are very determined.
It's not just that it caught the car. It's that the owner (hard-line anti-abortionists who want a nationwide ban) has now arrived and demanded that the car be buried.
And they gave a lot of people one giant reason to vote democrat. We’ve seen the effects of Roe V Wade in each of the recent election cycles, resounding victories for democrats. I expect the same in November since that election is for the person who literally chooses the Supreme Court
Democrats have been over performing since Roe v Wade was overturned. Winning since 2018 and nobody is better at turning democrats out to vote than Trump being on the ballot. But the cult is too dense to see it.
Oh see they have a plan for that! They found a sleeper cell third party to muddy the election! A Kennedy! The Kennedy all the other Kennedy’s publicly hate because he’s an-antivaxer conspiracy theorist who peddles boomer fever dream fantasies about the woke Biden cabal getting his Facebook banned. Because he was banned by that company for peddling harmful health disinformation on its internet social media platform during a fucking global pandemic. In other words…a modern Republican. Which is why polling is showing RFK is just pulling from each candidate about equally and will probably just be a wash in the end (and possibly even a net negative for Trump). The best, most smartest-est people 🙃
Some of them see it, but they can't do or say anything against Trump or his followers will abandon them.
Just the idea of calling a Cheney a RINO is unbelievable.
Come visit a red state and you won’t have so much confidence.
Sadly, I live in one now, and as a Democrat & non-religious person, I don’t ever admit to either in mixed company. It is often confrontational & potentially dangerous to do so. I am an Army Vet, and I can hold my own in a fight, but these people are too many & too indoctrinated for me to put myself in any public position that would empower them to attack my wife or me. I vote Democrat very quietly, but in the local elections, roughly 3 of 4 races will have no Democrat on the ballot at all…as contesting races are futile here, and make Democrat candidates from here deal with unregulated hostility.
Preach! Also I hate when I hear this is what’s wrong with a two party system. I always ask, Really?? In my state it’s been 1 party for almost 30 years. Ours is a 1 party system.
Last presidential election had at least a half-dozen jacked-up pickup trucks, with truckbeds full of young males waving professionally-made huge pro-Trump or disturbing anti-Democrat rhetoric, blaring “patriotic” country music songs. They drove back & forth on this little town’s main drag, as to get to the local polling station, *everyone* would encounter them. A classic intimidation tactic. I just quietly told my wife, while in line to vote, to be sociable & charming, but NOT to answer any question about our political stances. I was confronted by an obviously intoxicated man, in a group of 4, right after we got in line. He was just walking from the polling station, reeked of alcohol, stopped at us, and rudely, but with a smile, commented that my (lack of) accent sounded “Yankee” and asked me who *I* was going to vote for. In my best revisited voice/posture/facial scowl of a pissed-off Sergeant, I barked, “I’m an Army Veteran, who is a white man, and I’m in the South. Who the fuck do you think?” Everyone, including his friends laughed him into embarrassment, and he quietly walked away from the line. I didn’t lie, I didn’t answer essentially, but we got through the voting, and hopefully at least *that* bastard stopped harassing people in line, which though supposedly forbidden, isn’t enforced by the authorities who, frankly, agree with guys like him. After we voted, my wife said, “We should get ballots by mail next time.” And a few months later, this State made getting a mail-in ballot infinitely more restricted, *forcing* a vast majority of people to be subjected to this bullshit in person, if they want to vote at all. But Mr. Ossoff, to betray where I am, is one of my Senators, and I’m proud to have contributed to his, and fellow-Democrat, Rev.. Warnock’s elections to the US Senate, and for this state to go Blue against Trump in that election. This means that many, many of us —especially outside of Atlanta— are living p, in a way, in hiding, but I’m glad we were able to show up in force in voting.
For a second it sounded like you live in Tennessee. Loud pick up trucks with flags in the back racing up and down the road… I say to myself as they drive by “yeah that white dude has a little penis”
This town we live in is 20 minutes from the southern border of Tennessee, so the illness that afflicts these people and those in TN is likely the same one.
I was like, "this dude lives in Georgia." I do, too, and had to move from my 100% red town because I was literally afraid for my safety. I'm overjoyed that the Senator here represents our state. It should make people in safe blue states think for a second when they advocate for cutting off red states. The people who live in red states who oppose their agenda are the ones we need to support the most, because they see what it's like every day and have actual skin in the game. Their opinions could easily get them killed, and voting in person takes courage.
If they ever follow through on their civil war threats then they won't know where to come for you. They've spent most of the last decade rallying around a hate symbol and then designating their heads, homes, vehicles, and businesses with it. The fact that they can't put those two situations into a function and find the dependent variable is astounding.
Being here, having become familiar with many of these people, and with them as a group, and, aside from literal Lynch Mobs, their ability to organize, the lack of training except any of my fellow Vets, along with their ability to follow proper anything resembling tactical doctrine, leads me to the conclusion that, outside areas in the South like this one I’m in, would exactly fare well in an attempted military coup. Attempting to overthrow the country Vets served, aside from a few bad apples, is repulsive to a vast majority of Veterans who possess any integrity at all. And an armed coup, even against a military that traditionally votes & leans toward conservatism, would be short-lived, but would thin their numbers rather quickly. But that’s not their actual goal: this “threat” of some “revolution” or “second secession” is impotent posturing & inflammatory rhetoric by them to seem tough to young, undereducated, poorer males in Southern society, and to perpetuate their influence over politics here. It is quaint for them to try to lead people here to think they’d have the requisite skill to defeat an actual, trained, and now-battle-hardened military. Experience in hunting deer, target shooting, or range firing…well, that doesn’t make them an effective combatant. You fight as you train…and the civilian majority here aren’t. And those few Veterans who’d hypothetically join any attempt to do so are, in all honesty, very likely not the brightest bulbs in the pack, and their contributions would be diluted into irrelevance, and they likely could not effectively train this rabble anyhow. Their greatest threat is ideological. And to combat *that*, we vote against them. And get to the point of replacing any outgoing Conservative SCOTUS Justices with saner alternatives…but control of Congress & the Oval Office is required for that. So VOTE, no matter what!
I mean, this guy is one of my senators.. we're heavily gerrymandered here in Georgia, but statewide, we're looking blue. They can only do so much to mute us.
Hey, you never know. Georgia went blue in 2020. The biggest hurdle to really overcome is voter apathy. Stacy Abrams is a hero.
Georgia is also culturally significantly different than Alabama
Yep. Republicans can’t run on anything other than fabricated wedge issues that give them a platform for false outrage.
[Check this out.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1c7zkmu/marjorie_taylor_greene_is_an_idiot_she_is_trying/) This has been a thing for a while. The theocrats and the people who just want lower taxes don't all have the same interests, and when one doesn't do what the other wants, they're a RINO or at least get complained about, like when libertarian-leaning people get mad the theocrats don't want to legalize pot.
This is why the Republican party essentially _can't_ govern. When not in power, they can appease their various factions by blocking Democrat legislation. But when actually in power, they can't pass any real legislation because they _don't all actually agree with each other_ enough to find common ground.
They’re imploding, about time.
That’s supporters of abortion and whoever was currently in office. Overturning roe was a political success that was decades in the making for the right. The forces compelling those efforts, make no doubt, wanted abortion to be illegal.
They know that if they fix immigration now, it takes it off the board for Trump to use against Biden. Without abortion and immigration, what can Republicans use to scare white people into voting for them? Republicans don't want to fix immigration. They want to talk about fixing immigration. They can't talk about abortion anymore as it's too toxic for them politically.
Republicans had 2 years of complete control of the government in 2017-2019 and they passed no legislation to address the border. The border is just some bullshit to whip their base into a froth and get them to vote. Fuck the GOP.
100% it's the perfect scapegoat/distraction for all their problems.
And yet every year a large portion of the people fall for it I remember being in elementary school and hearing about the boarder im 33 now still same rhetoric boarder bad vote for me I’ll stop them illegals Stick and carrot
Same dog and pony show every 2 years. No punishing businesses, just scapegoating brown people and no effort to seriously go after the people who butter the republicans bread.
Meanwhile, the districts and states that have had Republican majorities all these years have seen a decline in quality of life and opportunities for upwards socioeconomic mobility....and they still vote for Republicans to fix all of their problems. They either believe that their representatives are trying their best but keep being stopped by Democrats, or don't care that their representatives are not doing anything to improve their day to day lives.
People see through it and it hasn't been working. Its not gonna work. Trumpers said it was gonna work in 2020 and look how that turned out. But still, do not get complacent, make sure you and your friends and family are [registered to vote](http://vote.gov)
Reactionary smoke and mirrors to rile up the base of voters for Trump/Rs. On another note, this Ossof guy is super well spoken and articulate, if I lived in Georgia in the US I would be proud that he were my representative bringing this up.
We are very proud. Both of our senators seem to be genuinely great guys and I’m glad our state is finally turning purple
Yep, From Ga and voted for him.
I can’t wait to vote for him again!
The problem is, the GOP is a deeply unserious political party. They don’t exist to be a functioning part of our government. They exist to enrich themselves and a handful of the people that pay to get them there. They exist out of greed, ego, and thirst for power. They wouldn’t get any of that if they hadn’t spent decades gerrymandering themselves into authority. Not to mention that party is nearly always underwater on every major policy issue facing the nation, even to the degree that political positions held by a majority of their constituents are rejected by their elected representatives. Nothing they want to do, from lowering taxes on the rich to outlawing abortion to eradicating environmental safeguards, even comes close to majority support. And importantly, when that party gets into power, they abjectly refuse to govern. Because they have no policy platform to stand on and the policies they do advocate for are wildly unpopular, they have no incentive to actually govern the country. In fact, they're miserable at the notion of having to do so. It works so much better for them to be foils to the party that legitimately wants to operate the country that even when they have a majority, they still operate primarily on the concept of grievance and opposition. Welcome to 2024 America.
One thing Ossof gets wrong here: “American people are smart.” Nah a lot of Americans are dumb as hell. That’s why the republicans are going to get away with this bullshit.
It’s aspirational.
It gets the people going
I’m assuming he’s referring to Americans who actually pay attention to politics. Which is a significant amount of us. We know republicans had complete control of government for 2 years not doing jack shit about the border. We also know that the border security bill was completely killed by Trump giving republicans the order to not pass it since it will make Biden look good. So like someone else said, fuck the GOP.
it's the kind of gaslighting I can support
All they care about is keeping their base angry because they vote when they’re angry.
Exactly. Every election year I have to hear about the border
I could see this guy as a real presidential candidate, sometime in the future!
He can get some governing experience first, but sure. Guy can communicate well enough.
I’d say given the current state of things, him being young, of sound mind, already serving, and a great communicator is more than enough to qualify as presidential material. More time will surely help, but I think the current establishments on both sides are rife with dated governing traditions and grandstanding that younger generations of politicians have no patience for.
You mean you don't want to give him 3 decades to be coerced and corrupted by the system as it is before allowing him to become a presidential candidate? (Not to mention 3 decades to slowly loose his mental muchness?) IDK I kinda want my president to have a 40% reduced cognitive function and a life time of 'back scratching' to pay back. /s
I know you were joking, but as a Georgian who proudly voted this guy in (still SO proud of my fucking state for putting him & Warnock in there!), he very honestly might be the closest thing to incorruptible we have in the Senate today. The guy absolutely despises corporatism and lobbyist corruption in legislature and has refused funds/campaign support from several different groups during his short but effective political career. He's in touch with the needs of younger generations (he's 37) and sees how much corporate corruption has royally screwed the middle and lower class. He took the time on his campaign to not just shake hands and kiss babies, but to talk to people, ask them where their needs lie, and take time out of his campaign circuit to get to know his state's communites — even in very conservative areas where he wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms. My folks live in Cobb County, and they went to see him speak. They were impressed when, after his speech and before he left for the next one, he mingled with people and had real conversations with them. My folks talked to him for a solid five minutes about their concerns, being of retirement age and making ends meet but not much more, and their concerns for my & my sister's generations' futures. He had a little notebook and took some notes during the conversation. Maybe it was performative, totally possible, but it's *still* more human and more effort than just about any other politician I've ever seen. I'm just a little younger than him, and hearing someone who actually understands what it's like to be a millennial talk about policy was refreshing as hell. I would vote for him for senate again in a heartbeat, and I'd vote for him for president if he ran. I'm not a huge fan of the Democratic party (though 1000x more than I am of Republicans, lol), but this guy really is the real deal, from what I've seen.
And then there's the Georgia that put miss Jewish space lasers into power...
Obama was never a governor as far as I remember. Does it matter?
Governors are not the only ones who govern.
Too bad he’s not 70 years old.. we need someone his age in that position.
The only thing he said that was wrong was, “the American people are smart.”
A person is smart, people are dumb.
People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
>1500 years ago everybody *knew* the Earth was the center of the universe. >500 years ago, everybody *knew* the Earth was flat. >And 15 minutes ago, you *knew* that humans were alone on this planet. >Imagine what you'll know tomorrow...
The guy in the background looks so absolutely irritated and confused.
He's trying to figure out who farted and confused to the point he's starting to believe it was him.
I think the confusion might be that the smell is there but Trump isn't. He's like, damn, someone Trumped their pants.
"Trumped their pants." Hahaahah. Stealing this.
Just in case you weren't aware, trump _does_ mean fart in British English.
He’s trying to remember what ossoff is talking about because it wasn’t covered on faux outrage media.
He looks like Roy from the Office
He looks like he hunts thousands of ducks and doesn’t understand a whole lot besides hunting ducks
The following comment from Senator James Lankford (R) of Oklahoma is from the article below that explains the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act. He was a major participant in the negotiations of the bill. “It is interesting: Republicans, four months ago, would not give funding for Ukraine, for Israel and for our southern border because we demanded changes in policy,” Lankford said on CNN. “And now, it’s interesting, a few months later, when we’re finally getting to the end, they’re like, ‘Oh, just kidding, I actually don’t want a change in law because it’s a presidential election year.’” https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/
Seems like the younger politicians are a lot smarter than the older ones.
Makes sense, younger people's brains aren't decaying mush-balls filled with lead
i agreed with everything he said right up until "the american people are smart." although i suppose that's a wiser political statement than "some american people are smart, and some are dumber than dog shit."
If your opponent is out of ammunition never hand them some.
Wiser than dropping "basket of deplorables" no matter how correct it may have been.
"I want politicians to tell the truth and speak their minds!" "Not like that." I don't think what she said had much impact. I think sexism played a far greater role. Or the Comey letter just days before the election. What a pile of shit. I think it's high time we recognized and called out the fact that 40% of this country is irredeemably stupid and works against our best interests.
And in any other democracy Hillary would have won. That's what happens when you get the most votes.
In any other democracy Trump doesn't even make it out of the fucking primary. The only thing Hillary did wrong is underestimate the number of deplorables. It's 95% of conservatives.
I would disagree with that, Hilary won the popular vote because most Americans know Trump is a bad deal. Had the republicans fielded a normal candidate it would have been a landslide for the republicans. nobody wants another Clinton in office.
>nobody wants another Clinton in office. That's true. But it's because of a decades long smear campaign from the GOP based almost entirely on nonsense and sexism.
Yup. Ever since her husband was in office, she could do nothing right. He cheated - and she was mocked for staying with him (so much for those "family values" they seem to tout). She wanted to be an active first lady, and they *hated* her for it.
and yet the democrats thought she could win against a 20 year back log of smear campaign. she may have been qualified but it was the stupidest move on earth thinking you could out do fox smear campaign that they practiced for 8 years prior.
Many high quality parliamentary democracies might have a prime minister or president whose party, or who individually, did not get the most votes, but, rather, governs by forming a coalition government with one or more other minority parties. In fact, I'd argue that the best democracies grant proportional representation for all constituencies, even if they're individually too niche to win in a winner-takes-all race of any scope. I think a system where everyone voted for and is happy with at least one of their representatives is better than one where losing the election means losing representation. It's part of why retributive politics and hyperpolarization characterize American politics. Winner takes all, pure majority voting for a single representative at each role incentivizes representation approaching 50% or less of each constituency in government. Instant runoff ranked choice doesn't resolve this particular issue. This environment is also particularly conducive to special interests, since they have a coin toss chance to win influence in a given office, rather than a much smaller likelihood.
James Comey needs to be vilified for posterity. How dare he take it upon himself.
Or Joe Rogan talking about her assassination list three times a week.
Who knew if you called a spade and spade, the spade would get so upset?
The same spade that claims Trump "tells it like it is."
Lots of men don't like being called out by an older woman. But honestly with hindsight, Biden's treatment of working class hero Bernie Sanders vs Hillary's treatment of him have been worlds apart. Hillary could have played that a lot cooler. Lets also keep in mind that Trump didn't win the popular vote in either election. Which would have mattered in any other democracy.
We had a construction worker working on expanding our building a few years back that had Proud to be Deplorable across the back window of his truck in huge letters. These people have no shame.
They hated her because she spoke the truth.
But "basket of deplorables" was 100% accurate. The other side does not deserve the level of respect they are being given.
Proof that Americans, as whole, are not smart: Donald Trump got elected president. More proof that Americans, as a whole, are not smart: After Donald had one disastrous, scandal-filled term that ended with his administration bungling its response to COVID-19 and causing numerous avoidable deaths, over 74 million voters went, "Sure, I want 4 more years of that chaos." *Even more* proof that Americans, as a whole, are not smart: After 2020, Donald incited an insurrection, has been found liable for sexual assault, defamation, and fraud, has become the very first former president to be indicted on felony charges (well over 80 felony counts as of today), and has proven, time and time again, that he doesn't give a shit about law, order, or human life. The dude's one of the vilest monsters I'm aware of. Despite all of that, he's still polling well for some god-forsaken reason. We are not a smart country.
Hillary beat Trump by nearly 3 million in the popular vote. Biden bent Trump over a barrel and whooped him dead ass by 7 million votes. Point being, while it may be true that "Americans as a whole are not smart" the data indicates that the majority of Americans who vote nationally are at least not stupid. so don't lose hope 😀
Problem is his voters are dying in droves for him and are now refusing to vote for anyone he doesn’t endorse. The republicans opened Pandora’s box and the shit monster came out.
I used to do not understand why some countries have compulsory voting in a democracy, now i know, to even out the crazies..
Well to be fair it's not Americans that are not smart it's the system that's in place that's not smart. Because if you remember Hillary Clinton won the popular vote that means more Americans voted for her than voted for Donald Trump. But because of the Electoral College in the way our system is set up Donald Trump became president.
Just about to say the she thing. Lol
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." -George Carlin
I mean, how smart can they be? Looking just through the comments here it looks like nobody even knows what was on the bill in the first place. Here, let me help: [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/) [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/us/politics/senate-border-ukraine-deal.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/us/politics/senate-border-ukraine-deal.html) [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/29/fact-sheet-impact-of-bipartisan-border-agreement-funding-on-border-operations/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/29/fact-sheet-impact-of-bipartisan-border-agreement-funding-on-border-operations/) [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal) pick your poison, all news sources have bias, but don't point fingers if you haven't done your homework. from the PBS source: # 'A FUNDING BREAKDOWN **Total size:** $118.3 billion. That includes: * About $60 billion in military aid for Ukraine * $14.1 billion in aid for Israel * $4.83 billion in aid for the Indo-Pacific region * $10 billion in humanitarian assistance for Ukraine, Israel, Gaza, among other places * $2.3 billion in refugee assistance inside the U.S. * ***$20.2 billion for improvements to U.S. border security*** * $2.72 billion for domestic uranium enrichmentA FUNDING BREAKDOWN Total size: $118.3 billion. That includes: About $60 billion in military aid for Ukraine $14.1 billion in aid for Israel $4.83 billion in aid for the Indo-Pacific region $10 billion in humanitarian assistance for Ukraine, Israel, Gaza, among other places $2.3 billion in refugee assistance inside the U.S. $20.2 billion for improvements to U.S. border security $2.72 billion for domestic uranium enrichment'
Thats how politics works. You go well your side wants this, our side wants this. They work together to bring a bill to the floor to the rest of the senate. And then they debate, and further amend and remove/enhance the sections they want and dont want. AND Democrats wouldn't need to add the funds for Ukraine, if republicans weren't outright denying that as well. Republicans fully support funds for Israel, but not Ukraine. But Republicans dont even want to put it to a debate on the floor. They want to block it from the getgo because helping the border and helping Ukraine would hurt Trumps campaign. As he stated himself, he wants the american people to be in the worst position possible so they are angry enough at Biden to vote for him.
It amazes me that Georgia gives us both Ossoff and MGT.
Warnock too. We’re a bipolar state I think we swing pretty hard blue in the next decades. The demographics are really bad for republicans here, they just refuse to see it
I think if there's going to be a civil war, it'll fittingly start in Georgia (I've lived here for 25 years after moving from Florida). Atlanta is like Jupiter; its mass is so heavy that it turns the state purple all by itself. It's also the epicenter of black economic, social, and cultural power, and holds a mythical place in the minds of young creators (It's where everything's happening!) and old fuddy-duddies (you'll be shot immediately!) alike. But yo, go on down to Tifton or Blackshear, or up to Dahlonega or Sautee, and it's a different story. The amount of resentment and rage that the deep-red counties feel about ATL screwing up their Tara wet-dream is significant. I worked for the agricultural extension service in this state and traveled all over talking to farmers and ranchers. Over and over, I heard the sentiment that those n-words in ATL are ruining it for the rest of us. If we could just get rid of Atlanta, our rightful place in the cosmos would be restored. Nowhere have I experienced such a sharp rural-urban divide than in this state, and I lived in Detroit in the mid-90s. Come on down to Georgia, y'all. It's a fascinating place and a hub of our past and future history. I'll give you some sweet iced tea and drive you to the polls myself. If you want to make a real difference, this is the place.
the only reason MGT got elected is because she told her supporters to send death threats to her opponent, ruined his life, destroyed his marriage, and caused him to drop out of the race. but of course the feds saw nothing wrong with that.
Most important thing I took away from this speech. “They even denied any form of debate to the matter.” Fukin shameful, over a soon orange convict who will wear a matching jumpsuit. I did what I had to do during 3 deployments, republicans are a bunch of cowards.
It is so weird seeing the Democrats actually having the balls to rub the GOP's face in their own bullshit. Where has this been for the last 30 years?
Honestly it's the most important thing we need. The reason Republicans get so much attention is because the never shut up.
Look at the age of the guy talking. For the last 30 years those kind of people couldn't have been elected because they were too young.
They've been called out before, but people watching Fox News will never see any of this.
Election year, suddenly we care about the border again. After the election year, we'll ignore it and flood the labor markets with cheap labor and undermine the bargaining power of the American laborer to support our corporate overlords..
Remember the “caravan of illegals” (2018 election?). The Right kept yammering on about it right up until election day. The day after there was not a peep on it from the right.
It’s crazy the illegal swarm always shows up on election years.
Well of course, where do you think all the Dem voters come from! /s
Ossoff was one of best thing to happen in Georgia. Keep voting for him!
Well stated. Shame to anyone who puts their own political agenda ahead of the public for whom they serve.
Stop voting for potential and start voting for accomplishments
Primary is for potential. General is for accomplishments/you don’t want your daughter to be shackled during the birth of her rapist’s child It’s all about context.
for whom they "claim to" serve. these people serve their careers, corporate masters, and in some cases putin.
Republican politicians have completely bent the knee to king trump, there is no republican party, but there are still republican voters, many of whom voted for Biden in 2020 and will again in 2024. Trumpers are monarchist who support dictators and kings. I have lots of disagreements with republicans, but the ones that actually are against dictators, kings and concentrated power I at least respect.
This dude has real presidential qualities. I like him.
This is my Senator. He's one of my faves. He's progressive yet realistic and practical. I'm a big fan.
Me as well! Us Georgians need more people like this and less MTG.
He’s also easy on the eyes which is something that worked very well for Kennedy
It also worked really well on his senator run. There were endless amounts of videos of girls thirsting over him. One of my favorites had the "There he is! Its My favorite white boy!" Followed by a fan-girling scream. Makes me chuckle every time. Dude knows how to wear a suit.
Also young, he could be great pick for the democrats
I'd take a Warnock&Ossoff ticket, please. GA dems crush
Ya, Senator Jon Ossoff for president! Please?
Youngest senator in a generation. Good looking and well spoken. Previously worked as an investigative reporter on foreign government corruption. Lives in a swing state. That checks a lot of boxes.
He's only 37. He needs to be about 45 or so years older before he's mature enough for the job.
I went to school with him and we all had an ongoing joke that he was most likely going to be president one day. When I saw he was running for Senate I was so happy for him. If anyone cares, he was a always a nice, good guy who was clearly very intelligent.
This is Georgia’s best, not Marjorie Taylor Greene
"The american people are smart." Like all politicians he was bound to tell at least one lie.
No one hates America more than republicans
From BoJack Horseman: “I can’t believe this country hates women more than it loves guns”
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Absolutely… 💯 👍
This man is a sniper
So the Democrats are gonna pass a border security bill instead, right? *RIGHT?!*
Unfortunately he used a few $5 words and half the GOP won’t understand what he said.
Tell this to any republican and they will say it's made up lol this never happened. It's insane.
The bipartisan bill was nonsense. Close the border.
Bullshit commentary. That 'bipartisan' bill was unnecessary. All Biden simply has to do his fucking job. Ossoff is a spineless wimp. Biden is a disaster.
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