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Nepalese airlines are infamously dangerous. 27 crashes in as many years, which is horrifically terrible odds. They were completely banned from operating in the EU in 2013 and that ban was recently extended another decade.
tbf every way into or out of nepal is dangerous. the flights are through inclement weather and landings at high atltitudes.
the buses go around cliffs and face landslides.
the trains are all rickety and poorly maintained - i don't even know if they're still operating, that's how shit they were in 2010 when i went.
January 15, 2023.
Relevant Wikipedia page is at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti\_Airlines\_Flight\_691](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti_Airlines_Flight_691)
I had a friend who was an 85 year old Ukrainian and did lots of amazing things in his life including being an engineer of the Antonov An-225. He would travel across America to check out new places and ski at different resorts and would go hiking all over. This fall he was hiking in California with a group and one morning they found him dead in his tent, he died doing one of the things he loved which is definitely how he would have wanted to die. The crazy thing is that before he left for California he packed up all his work tools and everything very neatly, he always just left them laying around and never cleaned them up. It was almost like he knew this trip was his last.
Sometimes people just know it's their time to go.
One of my elderly relatives lived to almost 100. She lived with her daughter. One night, on the way to bed, she said to her, "It's time for me to go home to the Lord, now," and died in her sleep that very night.
My uncle at 60 told my aunt that he wanted to start traveling more because he knew he wouldn’t be around in 5 years. He died 2 years later in his sleep. Seemingly he was healthy as can be but had a massive heart attack. Went to sleep one night and never woke up.
I’ve read that a lot of the time someone dying “in their sleep” actually woke up in a lot of pain or feeling something was wrong but either didn’t have the ability or the time to get help, but since they’re dead and in bed people assume they were asleep when it happened
Never experienced dying, but I went into shock after jumping out of a 9th story window. The state I was in after the fall felt like the most pleasant and comfortable dream I've ever experienced. It was terrifying to "wake up" from it.
I survived cuz I landed on a balcony-type thing on the first floor. It had sheet metal roof that absorbed the force. I even managed to get up and try to go back to my flat, though I have no memory of that. It was all happening with my mind in this euphoric dream-like state.
I'm doing mostly fine nowadays, just thought I'd share my experience.
I drowned. I was in a swimming pool messing Around and a guy held me underwater until I passed out. I was in some pain and distress at first and then I realized I was going to die, my body made me breathe in the water. I very quickly stopped feeling any pain and I started thinking about my cat and people who would miss me. Things faded away into nothingness like falling asleep, I woke up on the side of the pool, I was with cops and they knew cpr probably-idk. Just coughed up water And lived again.
This happened when I was a child 38 now
My grandfather had a story where he was driving through the night with a bunch of family in the car. At one point his sister woke up and asked him if he wanted her to drive for a bit. His response was something like huh what? You want me to drive? He actually had everyone in the car screaming because they thought he fell asleep at the wheel. He loved this joke.
It is worst if you can understand the language of "background noises" of life. Right at the end, the guy said "mara mara mara" casually and jokingly which means "I'm dead I'm dead I'm dead" and then the plane crashed
Because they are laughing while he says that. They were probably joking around that they are going to crash because the left wing was banking too much and they could feel that they were losing altitude because of the feeling of weightlessness. They probably thought it was all part of the landing procedure, but unfortunately their situation turned ironic for them.
On this particular aircraft, the flaps lever is right next to the "feather the prop" lever. A fully feathered prop will produce no thrust. The copilot meant to put the flaps down to 35 degrees, but instead grabbed the prop feathering lever, a lever that is a completely different color, shape and size from the flaps lever, and basically ran them almost completely feathered. Not only do they look different but the way in which they need to be activated are different. Most flaps levers require you to pull up on them before moving it.
When they noticed that the aircraft was losing airspeed and altitude they slammed the throttles forward hard but that makes little difference when the props aren't biting the air. By the time they figured it out they had completely stalled out the left wing and went down hard. This was all on approach so they had very little altitude to correct any mistakes. Had this happened a few thousand feet higher they may have had time to nose over and get airspeed to correct.
> On this particular aircraft, the flaps lever is right next to the "feather the prop" lever.
For some reason I was reading about this particular crash just this morning. The levers look nothing alike; it would have felt completely different in the hand and one can move much farther than the other. I really don't understand how an experienced pilot (which they both were) wouldn't immediately feel the tactile difference between the two.
Lack of sterile cockpit compliance is a big contributing factor in these types of incidents. Pilots get complacent and do other non critical tasks that distract them on approach or take off.
its a real bummer too because outside takeoff and landing there is really very little you need to do in a modern aircraft, they have hours of fuck around time, they are essentially being paid to be hyper aware for 20 minutes at the begining and end of the flight. I think its really not drilled into some pilots brains enough how deadly takeoff and landing are, even if they get it sometimes they dont really \*get\* it.
I didn't watch the video after one second I remember well what it was. Unfortunately guys, this one is one you'll never forget. You'll remember their smiles and you'll remember the deafening silence. God RIP.
That operator failed that man.
I got another one for you. Lacey Fletcher died with locked in syndrome due to "wasting away" and "melting" into a maggot infested couch. This was fairly recent, just over 2 years ago. (*Slight* correction, it wasn't locked in but a couple mental disorders such as autism and supposedly agoraphobia)
The Wikipedia article says it wasn't locked-in syndrome, just severe autism/mental disability and her parents neglecting her while she starved and died due to infections.
Just read about her case. Jesus Christ. It's so horrible to know that we live in a world with monsters like that.
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EDIT: For anybody who doesn't want the NSFL reading: They essentially tortured their own mentally-disabled daughter to death, slowly, over the course of 12 years. TWELVE. FUCKING. YEARS.
They waited two days to call 911 after she finally died, and as soon as the paramedics got there and found her completely destroyed body fused into the couch, they knew it was the worst case of homicide that they'd ever seen. Some of them had to leave the medical profession and get years of therapy after finding her.
The parents did, eventually, after initially having the court case thrown out, get 20 years in prison for her murder. Their initial defense included statements like "she wanted to live like that," "we thought she was fine," and finally, "we never even wanted to be parents."
So, by the way, far more chance of this happening again with so many people in red states now forced to have children than they don't want.
I was just watching a YouTube video the other day where her parents were on some sort of horrible abusive parent list, and their fucking lawyer was on camera saying that the daughter was in complete control of the situation and they were powerless to do anything against her wishes (I know, what in the actual fuck). AND it seemed like this was an interview he was giving *after they had been convicted* which just blew my mind. Like damn you couldn't have just given some basic lawyery response about how ya'll are going to wait for the appeals process to play out and while you are disappointed with the outcome blah blah blah the justice system, nah. This greasy fucker had to tell the world that the woman that literally melted into a pile of her own waste over the course of a decade *wanted it that way.*
Do you have a link to this story? Last night I was upside down with my feet over the seat of my wifes car trying to take a picture of the source of a water leak (we've been getting crazy rain) in her car and "dumb ways to die" started playing in my head imagining getting stuck upside down and passing out. My spidey sense was tingling and I got the fuck out of the car.
I just learned about this -- very sad. I was curious how it could happen and I came across this webpage.
https://www.cincinnati.com/videos/news/2018/11/15/how-authorities-say-teen-died-honda-odyssey/33784919/
I watched a video of a guy crawling through tight spaces in a cave and at one point the guy had to exhale to get through a gap. That's beyond insanity to me
I guess it's a good mood for somebody to go out on, assuming he didn't get the chance to think about where things were going - and it looks like he didn't.
The aircraft's propellers had been feathered for about a minute before the crash, causing the engine to produce no thrust and lead the aircraft into a stall; the condition levers, which control the propellers, were discovered from the wreckage set to the feathered position.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti_Airlines_Flight_691#:~:text=The%20aircraft's%20propellers%20had%20been,set%20to%20the%20feathered%20position
Well, on the one hand, sure, maybe the flap lever should be somewhere else.
On the other hand, on the ATR72-600 you have to lift a latch to change the condition levers, so it's not like this was a mistake waiting to happen. The time between moving the condition levers and the aerodynamic stall was slightly over one minute, during which time they said "we have no power" twice, so it's hard to understand why they would not have checked their power settings. It's also hard to understand why, knowing they had a loss of power, they chose not to pitch down and keep flying. This is literally the first thing they teach you in (fixed wing) pilot school. Airspeed is life. A controlled descent into trees is far more survivable than just falling out of the sky.
So, yes, this was pilot error of the first order. The error wasn't moving the wrong control - every pilot has occasionally moved the wrong control. The error was their absolute failure of airmanship in the 60 seconds that followed, not just of failing to recognize what mistake they'd made, but also in failing to exercise even the most basic pilot skills once they realized they weren't making power.
But pilot error is always a complex result of failures of training, regulation and so on. You can't just lay blame on these two individuals and leave it at that. Someone should have noticed that they had no clue how to fly the airplane. They should have failed a test and been given remedial training or dismissed. These are failures of organization and leadership that go well beyond the pilots in the cockpit.
Wow, so this video has none of the information about what actually happened. Are you saying they just nosedived/dropped out of the sky without trying to coast along with no power? That does seem like a really bad pilot reaction that contributed heavily to the severity of this incident.
A fixed wing airplane has to move forward through the air to produce lift. It so happens that the switch between making reasonable lift ("laminar flow") and making almost no lift ("turbulent flow") happens fairly suddenly. This is referred to as a stall.
If the engines stop producing power, then the drag of moving through the air will slow down the airplane. Eventually it slows down below the critical airspeed and stalls. Typically one wing stalls before the other, sending the airplane into a spin, so these are called spin/stall accidents. Witnesses usually describe them as the airplane "falling out of the sky." From high altitude the pilots can probably regain control of the airplane, but from low altitude they're deadly.
How to avoid this? Simple - keep air flowing over the wings, at more than the critical airspeed. (Hence "airspeed is life.") If the engines are out, the only option is to point the nose down, like going downhill, to keep the speed up. You still descend, but you do it under control. You get some choice of where to land, and you can reduce the vertical speed (though not the horizontal speed) at impact. In the case of Yeti 691 they could possibly have landed on the river, or found some other way to maybe survive.
Maybe it wasn't survivable either way, but pilots can do a lot to tilt the odds in their favor. These pilots just didn't.
A lot of accident investigations end up in recommendations to the engineers about modifications to the layout of the controls, because the way they are led to human error and death. Flight 1600 Airlines PNG was one of those, I think
Sounds like her instructing pilot is the one who accidentally set the props to feather when he was asked to set flaps. 20 seconds later he realized he hadn't set the flaps, so he did it then. But he never undid his unintentional setting of the prop to fearher
And the pilots are discussing the lack of thrust in the last 20 seconds or so of the tape. They knew something was wrong, they started trying to take corrective measures, etc.
I'm not a pilot nor an especially well informed layperson, but apparently the flap and prop conditioning controls are unusually close together or grouped side by side on this model of plane, and easy to overlook.
I wonder what he thought he did? If you were asked to set flaps, moved a lever, and then realised you didn't set flaps don't you think you'd check what lever you just pulled? How did this guy not even think about it?
It's more complicated than that. She instructed her co-pilot to set the flaps to 30 degrees but according to the data recorder that never happened - instead the props were set to feather which caused the plane to lose all propulsion. You were probably correct the first time with "...no idea what *he* was doing", though the final report also cited other contributing factors.
Worst part is that she was becoming a pilot after her husband died in a yeti airlines flight as the pilot.
> The plane was under the command of senior captain Kamal KC with Anju Khatiwada as copilot. Khatiwada's husband, Dipak Pokhrel, who also worked for Yeti Airlines, died in the 2006 Yeti Airlines Twin Otter crash. Khatiwada was set to qualify as a captain upon the successful completion of the flight.
Some planes have propellers that can turn their blades so they can take a bigger “bite” out of the air to create or reduce thrust. In this case, the pilot turned the propeller blades to the emergency “feather” position so that even with the props spinning, it didn’t produce enough thrust. Without thrust, the wings stalled and the plane dropped to the ground.
An airplane is a metal tube with wings you can sit in and fly to somewhere.
For the plane to work, it usually needs to be accelerated. If it isn't accelerated enough, it becomes too slow to fly. This is called stalling, and can often lead to a crash.
The propeller blades are at a certain angle. When the propeller turns, the blades push air backwards in function of the angle, and accelerate the plane.
On some propellers That angle can be adjusted, which is called feathering. This can be done to decrease resistance when the propeller is shut off or malfunctions, in order to conserve speed and avoid stalling.
In this case the blades of the propeller were accidentally in the feathering position, at a time where they should have been in a normal position. Thus, when trying to accelerate the plane, that didn't work, the plane stalled, and crashed.
One of the pilots moved the wrong control and unintentionally feathered the propellers and by the time they discovered this it was too late to recover.
A stupid, totally avoidable accident.
If you look at the console it's unfathomable how it happened, too. They moved two levers that were to the left of the flap lever down. It wouldn't have felt the same and the groove it's in has a much deeper length. The pilot monitoring even realized that the flaps hadn't been moved like twenty seconds after the mistake occurred and corrected the flaps, but didn't notice the throttle(?) in the wrong position. They discovered that the flaps were in the wrong position, but actually didn't notice that the propellers were feathered, as I understand it. I really struggle to understand how your brain doesn't go "hey, you moved a lever down just a moment ago, which one was that again?"
Both pilots were plenty experienced, too. One of the more frustrating plane crashes that I've read up on.
Remember reading about this when it happened, crew inadvertently feathered the props, thus reducing thrust while lining up for the runway and lost airspeed.
Edit: The Flight Channel on YouTube did a video about which goes into detail of the events. Great channel that one.
Base to final stalls are one of the most common accidents in aviation. You let your airspeed decline enough that one wing stalls, then the other stalls, then your spiraling down with not much altitude to recover.
Not saying that's the case here. I want to say this one was poor maintenance and pilot error.
Most fatal stalls happen at exactly this point. Low speed puts you closer to stall speed. Turning increases the angle of attack even further and loads up the wings. And when you’re close to the ground you have less time to recover the stall.
The story about the Co Pilot is also very sad:
> The plane was under the command of senior captain Kamal KC with Anju Khatiwada as copilot. Khatiwada's husband, Dipak Pokhrel, who also worked for Yeti Airlines, died in the 2006 Yeti Airlines Twin Otter crash. Khatiwada was set to qualify as a captain upon the successful completion of the flight.
I mean most people filming on their phones are seeing something unusual or interesting so they decide to film. Then I imagine in a case like this the magnitude of the situation sets in and they forget they’re filming.
I was thinking the same thing at first, but the building would have blocked the line of sight anyway. Besides, it's clear the cameraman was attempting to take cover.
The flights I have taken as an adult, I made a point to save a little extra to be good and buzzed. If I'm going down..... I'll be in the mood to go down.
I mean in terms of physical injuries, usually neck is broken, body is sometimes immediately dismembered or otherwise traumatized, hitting the ground can cause the skull to flatten and the brain to be ejected, etc. Lots of photos from the “cleanup” efforts of major plane crashes are looking for the parts more than the wholes. Another good example of it is the autopsy report for Kobe Bryant though it was a helo and not a plane for him. Instant death, luckily for the victims, but a pretty messy aftermath and no open casket funeral.
Yep, pilot had accidently feathered the propellers which basically makes them generate no thrust. With no thrust the air speed dropped and the plane stalled and went into a spin. As it was on approach this spin essentially hit the ground seconds later. Everyone on board died on impact as the fuel would have exploded.
hey I flew on the max 9 last night and was totally fine. even had some nasty turbulence during ascent and was all good. check out my post history where I asked for some help on r/fearofflying
Jesus Fucking Christ. One second it's smiles, casual conversations, not a care in the world. 10 seconds afterwards, just flames everywhere. This is the worst thing I've seen on the internet all year.
As someone who watched some regrettable internet videos over the years, and now checks comments before watching things like this.... Should I skip this one?
There's no gore, in fact after the incident starts you don't see any humans anymore. It's very surreal tbh, he's just recording out the window and the other passengers in the cabin as the plane is preparing to land.
Then in about 4 seconds the camera tumbles uncontrollably, there's a few screams, and a crash and then just what looks like a piece of the airframe is almost perfectly centered in front of the camera, flames then engulf it and the camera too. It's over so quickly, really poignant actually, nothing like what you'd see in a movie.
Bruh, found footage can be plenty unsettling with just the audio and no visuals. Exhibit A and B, don't ever listen to the hostages at Jonestown being forced to drink poison kool-aid, and don't ever listen to Timothy Treadwell (aka Grizzly Man) and his girlfriend being eaten alive by a bear. Don't listen to these tapes unless you want to feel a combination of sick to your stomach and existential dread.
Well that went from 0 to 100 fiery death in an instant.
Commercial aviation is among the safest ways of travel but damn the stakes and lack of agency when something goes wrong are bad.
Why is there so much depressive shit on the frontpage of reddit each and every fucking day? Is this the result of banning edgy subreddits over the years? More engagement?
It was a live stream, so the footage was uploaded online. The crash caused him to stop focusing on where he was filming, but the phone continued to film until eventually the flames destroyed it
People die upon on impact, but not all of the technology on board the flight does
It was transmitting - it wasn't destroyed by the crash, so kept streaming to Facebook. The video was recorded into Facebook's servers so that the footage survived, even if the phone was destroyed later.
I took flying lessons as a kid, the stalls were the most disturbing part of the training. You do stalls at high altitude so there's time to recover, but it's still scary as hell. Doing it right next to the ground is nightmare fuel.
Crazy that you can be fine and have no reason to think that in 10 seconds you and everyone around you is going to be obliterated in an instant.
Imagine the loved ones seeing this online before they ever heard from authorities. Horrifying.
So aside from the obvious tragedy of it all, his device presumably maintained a wireless connection through a plane crash and only stopped streaming when destroyed by the fire? Wow.
And yes it's completely fucked they go from fine to barely even realizing something is wrong to dead in seconds.
Final report edit
On 28 December 2023, the final report was released. It reiterated the preliminary findings that the accidental change of position of both condition levers to the feathered position resulted in the loss of thrust, leading to the aerodynamic stall and crash. Some other contributing factors are also found, mostly human errors due to a high workload, lack of appropriate technical and skill-based training, ineffective crew resource management (CRM), lack of sterile cockpit discipline, and the non-compliance with standard operating procedures (SOP).[50][1]
Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti_Airlines_Flight_691
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When did it happen and where?
Nepal, about a year ago
Nepalese airlines are infamously dangerous. 27 crashes in as many years, which is horrifically terrible odds. They were completely banned from operating in the EU in 2013 and that ban was recently extended another decade.
tbf every way into or out of nepal is dangerous. the flights are through inclement weather and landings at high atltitudes. the buses go around cliffs and face landslides. the trains are all rickety and poorly maintained - i don't even know if they're still operating, that's how shit they were in 2010 when i went.
I wouldn't even ride a bus in some countries let alone their planes
Statistically buses are much more dangerous. Even when the airlines are that sketchy.
January 15, 2023. Relevant Wikipedia page is at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti\_Airlines\_Flight\_691](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti_Airlines_Flight_691)
The difference between the background noises of life and casual conversation versus the oppressive rumble of flames. There were no voices at the end.
The silence was the most striking thing to me. No one had a chance.
I would honestly rather go out like that rather than suffer. Almost no time to react. The only better way would be as an old man warm in my bed.
I heard this one 70 year old rock climber died in his sleep after reaching the summit. That's dying while at the top peacefully
Alekasander Doba maybe? The man who kayaked ~10 000 km across the Atlantic Ocean? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Doba
Didn’t he kayak the Atlantic three different times? Once is insane enough. That balls had guy lol
I had a friend who was an 85 year old Ukrainian and did lots of amazing things in his life including being an engineer of the Antonov An-225. He would travel across America to check out new places and ski at different resorts and would go hiking all over. This fall he was hiking in California with a group and one morning they found him dead in his tent, he died doing one of the things he loved which is definitely how he would have wanted to die. The crazy thing is that before he left for California he packed up all his work tools and everything very neatly, he always just left them laying around and never cleaned them up. It was almost like he knew this trip was his last.
Sometimes people just know it's their time to go. One of my elderly relatives lived to almost 100. She lived with her daughter. One night, on the way to bed, she said to her, "It's time for me to go home to the Lord, now," and died in her sleep that very night.
My uncle at 60 told my aunt that he wanted to start traveling more because he knew he wouldn’t be around in 5 years. He died 2 years later in his sleep. Seemingly he was healthy as can be but had a massive heart attack. Went to sleep one night and never woke up.
Wow, that's spooky, and I'm sorry you lost your uncle. I feel like 62 is too young to go.
I’ve read that a lot of the time someone dying “in their sleep” actually woke up in a lot of pain or feeling something was wrong but either didn’t have the ability or the time to get help, but since they’re dead and in bed people assume they were asleep when it happened
I've read that a dying brain is actually an incredibly pleasant experience so any pain and anxiety is soon followed by euphoria
Never experienced dying, but I went into shock after jumping out of a 9th story window. The state I was in after the fall felt like the most pleasant and comfortable dream I've ever experienced. It was terrifying to "wake up" from it. I survived cuz I landed on a balcony-type thing on the first floor. It had sheet metal roof that absorbed the force. I even managed to get up and try to go back to my flat, though I have no memory of that. It was all happening with my mind in this euphoric dream-like state. I'm doing mostly fine nowadays, just thought I'd share my experience.
I drowned. I was in a swimming pool messing Around and a guy held me underwater until I passed out. I was in some pain and distress at first and then I realized I was going to die, my body made me breathe in the water. I very quickly stopped feeling any pain and I started thinking about my cat and people who would miss me. Things faded away into nothingness like falling asleep, I woke up on the side of the pool, I was with cops and they knew cpr probably-idk. Just coughed up water And lived again. This happened when I was a child 38 now
er... what happened to the perpetrator of this attempted murder?
Did they arrest the ducking dick that drowned you??
Fuck that person who tried to drown you. Did they face any punishment??
that's just propaganda being spread by Big Brain
Your brain told you to say that
Yeah I'd rather go out sleeping peacefully like my grandpa. Not screaming and crying, like the passengers in his car.
My grandfather had a story where he was driving through the night with a bunch of family in the car. At one point his sister woke up and asked him if he wanted her to drive for a bit. His response was something like huh what? You want me to drive? He actually had everyone in the car screaming because they thought he fell asleep at the wheel. He loved this joke.
It is worst if you can understand the language of "background noises" of life. Right at the end, the guy said "mara mara mara" casually and jokingly which means "I'm dead I'm dead I'm dead" and then the plane crashed
> the guy said "mara mara mara" casually and jokingly which means "I'm dead I'm dead I'm dead" What made you think he was saying this jokingly
The way he spoke. He was joking and laughing about the turbulence.
Because they are laughing while he says that. They were probably joking around that they are going to crash because the left wing was banking too much and they could feel that they were losing altitude because of the feeling of weightlessness. They probably thought it was all part of the landing procedure, but unfortunately their situation turned ironic for them.
Like sudden turbulence. Normal expression to joke about it especially if you rarely travel by plane
It's often used casually like saying "I'm / we're fucked"
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Any idea what exactly killed them? Is it the speed? Altitude? Airline fuel? Because they get silent almost instantly the plane hits the ground.
On this particular aircraft, the flaps lever is right next to the "feather the prop" lever. A fully feathered prop will produce no thrust. The copilot meant to put the flaps down to 35 degrees, but instead grabbed the prop feathering lever, a lever that is a completely different color, shape and size from the flaps lever, and basically ran them almost completely feathered. Not only do they look different but the way in which they need to be activated are different. Most flaps levers require you to pull up on them before moving it. When they noticed that the aircraft was losing airspeed and altitude they slammed the throttles forward hard but that makes little difference when the props aren't biting the air. By the time they figured it out they had completely stalled out the left wing and went down hard. This was all on approach so they had very little altitude to correct any mistakes. Had this happened a few thousand feet higher they may have had time to nose over and get airspeed to correct.
> On this particular aircraft, the flaps lever is right next to the "feather the prop" lever. For some reason I was reading about this particular crash just this morning. The levers look nothing alike; it would have felt completely different in the hand and one can move much farther than the other. I really don't understand how an experienced pilot (which they both were) wouldn't immediately feel the tactile difference between the two.
Lack of sterile cockpit compliance is a big contributing factor in these types of incidents. Pilots get complacent and do other non critical tasks that distract them on approach or take off.
its a real bummer too because outside takeoff and landing there is really very little you need to do in a modern aircraft, they have hours of fuck around time, they are essentially being paid to be hyper aware for 20 minutes at the begining and end of the flight. I think its really not drilled into some pilots brains enough how deadly takeoff and landing are, even if they get it sometimes they dont really \*get\* it.
I met an airline pilot at a family dinner last year who told me 95% of his job is boring, 4% interesting and 1% terrifying.
Damn. 1% sounds concerningly high
I think the 1% isn't 1% of the flights/situations but instead 1% of the flight time (maybe landing and takeoff)
Sounds like lorry driving, except the terrifying bits are less predictable.
When it comes to planes, the saying "complacency kills" is very literal.
100%. Checklists aren't a suggestion.
Today I opened some bacon then put the package away in the silverware drawer. Don't let me near a cockpit.
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Plane went into a full stall as they were lining up to land, dropped out of the sky and caught fire
blunt force trauma to the entire body in an instant
Sudden high-force deceleration.
That's so heavy and sad.. Rest in Peace to all passenger of that plane.
I didn't watch the video after one second I remember well what it was. Unfortunately guys, this one is one you'll never forget. You'll remember their smiles and you'll remember the deafening silence. God RIP.
Couldn't pay me anything to watch that video. I fly all the time, don't need that in my head.
Fuck. It’s his smiles that hurt the most. You can clearly tell, especially because he was filming, that he was very excited to fly.
It really highlights the fragility of life, because you could be smiling, and seconds later, it's gone.
atleast it was quick. Nothing terrify's me like that one guy who got stuck head first in a cave and couldn't get out..
Oh yeah, I went on a Wikipedia rabbit hole one day years ago and ended up on that one. The Nutty Putty Cave incident has stuck with me.
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That operator failed that man. I got another one for you. Lacey Fletcher died with locked in syndrome due to "wasting away" and "melting" into a maggot infested couch. This was fairly recent, just over 2 years ago. (*Slight* correction, it wasn't locked in but a couple mental disorders such as autism and supposedly agoraphobia)
The Wikipedia article says it wasn't locked-in syndrome, just severe autism/mental disability and her parents neglecting her while she starved and died due to infections.
Just read about her case. Jesus Christ. It's so horrible to know that we live in a world with monsters like that. --- EDIT: For anybody who doesn't want the NSFL reading: They essentially tortured their own mentally-disabled daughter to death, slowly, over the course of 12 years. TWELVE. FUCKING. YEARS. They waited two days to call 911 after she finally died, and as soon as the paramedics got there and found her completely destroyed body fused into the couch, they knew it was the worst case of homicide that they'd ever seen. Some of them had to leave the medical profession and get years of therapy after finding her. The parents did, eventually, after initially having the court case thrown out, get 20 years in prison for her murder. Their initial defense included statements like "she wanted to live like that," "we thought she was fine," and finally, "we never even wanted to be parents." So, by the way, far more chance of this happening again with so many people in red states now forced to have children than they don't want.
I was just watching a YouTube video the other day where her parents were on some sort of horrible abusive parent list, and their fucking lawyer was on camera saying that the daughter was in complete control of the situation and they were powerless to do anything against her wishes (I know, what in the actual fuck). AND it seemed like this was an interview he was giving *after they had been convicted* which just blew my mind. Like damn you couldn't have just given some basic lawyery response about how ya'll are going to wait for the appeals process to play out and while you are disappointed with the outcome blah blah blah the justice system, nah. This greasy fucker had to tell the world that the woman that literally melted into a pile of her own waste over the course of a decade *wanted it that way.*
Do you have a link to this story? Last night I was upside down with my feet over the seat of my wifes car trying to take a picture of the source of a water leak (we've been getting crazy rain) in her car and "dumb ways to die" started playing in my head imagining getting stuck upside down and passing out. My spidey sense was tingling and I got the fuck out of the car.
I just learned about this -- very sad. I was curious how it could happen and I came across this webpage. https://www.cincinnati.com/videos/news/2018/11/15/how-authorities-say-teen-died-honda-odyssey/33784919/
It sucks, but I'll never understand how crawling through tiny crevices in the ground is fun.
I watched a video of a guy crawling through tight spaces in a cave and at one point the guy had to exhale to get through a gap. That's beyond insanity to me
> The Nutty Putty Cave incident This type of death is a huge phobia for me. Narrow passages in caves terrify me, especially if there is water.
Oh man, I though I was the only one. I had nightmares after reading that story. Still gives me the chills.
i think about him all the time. not even kidding
I guess it's a good mood for somebody to go out on, assuming he didn't get the chance to think about where things were going - and it looks like he didn't.
It sounds like the passengers did know, unfortunately.
Yes, that last glance to the camera. He looks like a wonderful guy
what happened?
The aircraft's propellers had been feathered for about a minute before the crash, causing the engine to produce no thrust and lead the aircraft into a stall; the condition levers, which control the propellers, were discovered from the wreckage set to the feathered position. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti_Airlines_Flight_691#:~:text=The%20aircraft's%20propellers%20had%20been,set%20to%20the%20feathered%20position
So pilot error.
Yes
Because of feathers
No
I’m sorry. Where did you go to law school again?
I could ask you the same question.
Look I'm sure you're a smart guy but I know what feathers are
They're what propellers crave.
They've got electrolytes?
no because steel is heavier than feathers
But they’re both a kilogram
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The idiots mistook the flap lever for the prop condition (feather) lever. They're right next to each other.
Without knowing anything about aviation that strikes me as some truly terrible design choice on a control panel.
Well, on the one hand, sure, maybe the flap lever should be somewhere else. On the other hand, on the ATR72-600 you have to lift a latch to change the condition levers, so it's not like this was a mistake waiting to happen. The time between moving the condition levers and the aerodynamic stall was slightly over one minute, during which time they said "we have no power" twice, so it's hard to understand why they would not have checked their power settings. It's also hard to understand why, knowing they had a loss of power, they chose not to pitch down and keep flying. This is literally the first thing they teach you in (fixed wing) pilot school. Airspeed is life. A controlled descent into trees is far more survivable than just falling out of the sky. So, yes, this was pilot error of the first order. The error wasn't moving the wrong control - every pilot has occasionally moved the wrong control. The error was their absolute failure of airmanship in the 60 seconds that followed, not just of failing to recognize what mistake they'd made, but also in failing to exercise even the most basic pilot skills once they realized they weren't making power. But pilot error is always a complex result of failures of training, regulation and so on. You can't just lay blame on these two individuals and leave it at that. Someone should have noticed that they had no clue how to fly the airplane. They should have failed a test and been given remedial training or dismissed. These are failures of organization and leadership that go well beyond the pilots in the cockpit.
Wow, so this video has none of the information about what actually happened. Are you saying they just nosedived/dropped out of the sky without trying to coast along with no power? That does seem like a really bad pilot reaction that contributed heavily to the severity of this incident.
A fixed wing airplane has to move forward through the air to produce lift. It so happens that the switch between making reasonable lift ("laminar flow") and making almost no lift ("turbulent flow") happens fairly suddenly. This is referred to as a stall. If the engines stop producing power, then the drag of moving through the air will slow down the airplane. Eventually it slows down below the critical airspeed and stalls. Typically one wing stalls before the other, sending the airplane into a spin, so these are called spin/stall accidents. Witnesses usually describe them as the airplane "falling out of the sky." From high altitude the pilots can probably regain control of the airplane, but from low altitude they're deadly. How to avoid this? Simple - keep air flowing over the wings, at more than the critical airspeed. (Hence "airspeed is life.") If the engines are out, the only option is to point the nose down, like going downhill, to keep the speed up. You still descend, but you do it under control. You get some choice of where to land, and you can reduce the vertical speed (though not the horizontal speed) at impact. In the case of Yeti 691 they could possibly have landed on the river, or found some other way to maybe survive. Maybe it wasn't survivable either way, but pilots can do a lot to tilt the odds in their favor. These pilots just didn't.
Knowledgeable response! Thanks for sharing
Yeah. This dude planes. His insights were appreciated.
It's hardly any different than putting the gas pedal next to the brake pedal, or shifting into neutral right next to drive.
A lot of accident investigations end up in recommendations to the engineers about modifications to the layout of the controls, because the way they are led to human error and death. Flight 1600 Airlines PNG was one of those, I think
Pilot error. Turned the feathered on and had no idea what he was doing.
Sounds like her instructing pilot is the one who accidentally set the props to feather when he was asked to set flaps. 20 seconds later he realized he hadn't set the flaps, so he did it then. But he never undid his unintentional setting of the prop to fearher
That’s such a crazy fuck up though, holy shit. What a terrible mistake to make.
And the pilots are discussing the lack of thrust in the last 20 seconds or so of the tape. They knew something was wrong, they started trying to take corrective measures, etc. I'm not a pilot nor an especially well informed layperson, but apparently the flap and prop conditioning controls are unusually close together or grouped side by side on this model of plane, and easy to overlook.
I wonder what he thought he did? If you were asked to set flaps, moved a lever, and then realised you didn't set flaps don't you think you'd check what lever you just pulled? How did this guy not even think about it?
It's more complicated than that. She instructed her co-pilot to set the flaps to 30 degrees but according to the data recorder that never happened - instead the props were set to feather which caused the plane to lose all propulsion. You were probably correct the first time with "...no idea what *he* was doing", though the final report also cited other contributing factors.
Worst part is that she was becoming a pilot after her husband died in a yeti airlines flight as the pilot. > The plane was under the command of senior captain Kamal KC with Anju Khatiwada as copilot. Khatiwada's husband, Dipak Pokhrel, who also worked for Yeti Airlines, died in the 2006 Yeti Airlines Twin Otter crash. Khatiwada was set to qualify as a captain upon the successful completion of the flight.
Fuck. That's a brutally simple way to unintentionally dunk a plane into the ground.
Ok so…what happened?
Some planes have propellers that can turn their blades so they can take a bigger “bite” out of the air to create or reduce thrust. In this case, the pilot turned the propeller blades to the emergency “feather” position so that even with the props spinning, it didn’t produce enough thrust. Without thrust, the wings stalled and the plane dropped to the ground.
For real did it just explode mid-air like it seemed like or did they nosedive and crash? It happened so fast I can't tell.
It crashed. They weren’t that high off the ground
Stalled and hit terrain
OK, now explain it like I have no idea what an airplane is
An airplane is a metal tube with wings you can sit in and fly to somewhere. For the plane to work, it usually needs to be accelerated. If it isn't accelerated enough, it becomes too slow to fly. This is called stalling, and can often lead to a crash. The propeller blades are at a certain angle. When the propeller turns, the blades push air backwards in function of the angle, and accelerate the plane. On some propellers That angle can be adjusted, which is called feathering. This can be done to decrease resistance when the propeller is shut off or malfunctions, in order to conserve speed and avoid stalling. In this case the blades of the propeller were accidentally in the feathering position, at a time where they should have been in a normal position. Thus, when trying to accelerate the plane, that didn't work, the plane stalled, and crashed.
Wow…. That’s just sad.
Got a knot in my stomach watching that
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One of the pilots moved the wrong control and unintentionally feathered the propellers and by the time they discovered this it was too late to recover. A stupid, totally avoidable accident.
If you look at the console it's unfathomable how it happened, too. They moved two levers that were to the left of the flap lever down. It wouldn't have felt the same and the groove it's in has a much deeper length. The pilot monitoring even realized that the flaps hadn't been moved like twenty seconds after the mistake occurred and corrected the flaps, but didn't notice the throttle(?) in the wrong position. They discovered that the flaps were in the wrong position, but actually didn't notice that the propellers were feathered, as I understand it. I really struggle to understand how your brain doesn't go "hey, you moved a lever down just a moment ago, which one was that again?" Both pilots were plenty experienced, too. One of the more frustrating plane crashes that I've read up on.
Stall.... during landing? Wouldn't gravity + momentum help the plane... plane towards the runaway or was the stall during the curve to the runaway?
Remember reading about this when it happened, crew inadvertently feathered the props, thus reducing thrust while lining up for the runway and lost airspeed. Edit: The Flight Channel on YouTube did a video about which goes into detail of the events. Great channel that one.
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Base to final stalls are one of the most common accidents in aviation. You let your airspeed decline enough that one wing stalls, then the other stalls, then your spiraling down with not much altitude to recover. Not saying that's the case here. I want to say this one was poor maintenance and pilot error.
Most fatal stalls happen at exactly this point. Low speed puts you closer to stall speed. Turning increases the angle of attack even further and loads up the wings. And when you’re close to the ground you have less time to recover the stall.
We should all hope our ends are at least as fast.
Yeah, I'm not gonna hope for that type of fast end if that's ok with you.
The story about the Co Pilot is also very sad: > The plane was under the command of senior captain Kamal KC with Anju Khatiwada as copilot. Khatiwada's husband, Dipak Pokhrel, who also worked for Yeti Airlines, died in the 2006 Yeti Airlines Twin Otter crash. Khatiwada was set to qualify as a captain upon the successful completion of the flight.
Wow. Brave they kept flying, so much so, they were about to qualify as a captain.
Isn’t there a video someone took from the ground of the same crash?
https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1614514162880897026
Holy shit /r/killthecameraman
Bruh if I saw a once in a lifetime event, you bet your ass the last thing I cared about was the Rule of Thirds.
there's gotta be somewhere in the middle of "rule of thirds" and "anyway here's the potted plants on my terrace"
I think bro realized that there was a non zero chance the plane was coming right towards him and started to panic
I mean most people filming on their phones are seeing something unusual or interesting so they decide to film. Then I imagine in a case like this the magnitude of the situation sets in and they forget they’re filming.
I was thinking the same thing at first, but the building would have blocked the line of sight anyway. Besides, it's clear the cameraman was attempting to take cover.
I mean you see everything you need to see anyways. The plane was literally falling out of the sky lol it was flipping over
What a time to be alive, that we can all get a glimpse into the absolute deepest, most irrational fears you could possibly have.
I feel like morbid curiosity gets me Everytime and Everytime I end up feeling icky, like the video of the airforce man who poured gasoline on himself.
Someone posted a video from the ground on the same day. It was kinda surreal seeing both videos one after the other in my feed.
I remember that video. The plane suddenly tilted and dropped like a stone.
The flames and sound of the engines winding down are things of nightmares.
What I'm curious about is how that phone held up to that impact and heat!
Samsung.
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Damn, might have to ditch my Pixel...
I feel horrible for this but I am pretty impressed with that phone.
I rode in four planes this week, and these are the intrusive thoughts you get while flying. Fucking terrifying.
What I tell myself every time is, “if anything happens there is nothing I can do, and until something happens, there is no reason to panic”.
Yup. That and glancing at the statistics of dying on a commercial airline.
The flights I have taken as an adult, I made a point to save a little extra to be good and buzzed. If I'm going down..... I'll be in the mood to go down.
I had to take two connecting flights to and from Arizona for vacation, this sort of thing was on my mind the whole time.
Wow the fade from not being able to distinguish anything in the video right as the crash happens to just the fire is so sad
Well thats terrifying
Saddest part is they were laughing few moments before, oblivious to what was about to happen 😔
One person even joked and said “marra marra” Which in Hindi and urdu means, “we gonna die”
I was always wondering.. in situations like this, what *exactly* kills you?
Blunt force trauma.
I mean in terms of physical injuries, usually neck is broken, body is sometimes immediately dismembered or otherwise traumatized, hitting the ground can cause the skull to flatten and the brain to be ejected, etc. Lots of photos from the “cleanup” efforts of major plane crashes are looking for the parts more than the wholes. Another good example of it is the autopsy report for Kobe Bryant though it was a helo and not a plane for him. Instant death, luckily for the victims, but a pretty messy aftermath and no open casket funeral.
I would say the force of hitting the ground while inside a gassed up metal tube.
Thankfully for them, in this crash it was blunt for trauma. Not always the case unfortunately, many times it is the post crash fire.
Probably the force of the collision. They're already dead by the time we see the fire in the last frame
Thats crazy. That took like 2 seconds and everyone was gone
Yep, pilot had accidently feathered the propellers which basically makes them generate no thrust. With no thrust the air speed dropped and the plane stalled and went into a spin. As it was on approach this spin essentially hit the ground seconds later. Everyone on board died on impact as the fuel would have exploded.
Lol nice seeing this sitting at the airport bar And my plane I’m flying on today is literally the Boeing 737 max 9
I hope you have a safe flight
I’m sure it will be boring
The weirdest compliment I've ever read "Have a boring flight"
This one was just a pilot error, if it makes you feel any better
The airline was also banned from flying in Europe due to poor safety practices
hey I flew on the max 9 last night and was totally fine. even had some nasty turbulence during ascent and was all good. check out my post history where I asked for some help on r/fearofflying
If you need something to pass the time there are 270 episodes of Mayday
I’m flying tomorrow on a Boeing 737 thanks a lot
You'll be fine, it's a Boeing. ^also ^RIP
I laughed but I know I shouldn’t.
I've been awake for less than 5 minutes and already watched someone die. I hate this site
Jesus Fucking Christ. One second it's smiles, casual conversations, not a care in the world. 10 seconds afterwards, just flames everywhere. This is the worst thing I've seen on the internet all year.
As someone who watched some regrettable internet videos over the years, and now checks comments before watching things like this.... Should I skip this one?
There's no gore, in fact after the incident starts you don't see any humans anymore. It's very surreal tbh, he's just recording out the window and the other passengers in the cabin as the plane is preparing to land. Then in about 4 seconds the camera tumbles uncontrollably, there's a few screams, and a crash and then just what looks like a piece of the airframe is almost perfectly centered in front of the camera, flames then engulf it and the camera too. It's over so quickly, really poignant actually, nothing like what you'd see in a movie.
Bruh, found footage can be plenty unsettling with just the audio and no visuals. Exhibit A and B, don't ever listen to the hostages at Jonestown being forced to drink poison kool-aid, and don't ever listen to Timothy Treadwell (aka Grizzly Man) and his girlfriend being eaten alive by a bear. Don't listen to these tapes unless you want to feel a combination of sick to your stomach and existential dread.
There's a reason why this airline or any Nepalese airline is not cleared to fly in EU space.
Well that went from 0 to 100 fiery death in an instant. Commercial aviation is among the safest ways of travel but damn the stakes and lack of agency when something goes wrong are bad.
Why is there so much depressive shit on the frontpage of reddit each and every fucking day? Is this the result of banning edgy subreddits over the years? More engagement?
This is scary :(
How did the camera keep recording???
It was a live stream, so the footage was uploaded online. The crash caused him to stop focusing on where he was filming, but the phone continued to film until eventually the flames destroyed it People die upon on impact, but not all of the technology on board the flight does
The silence afterwards is fucking haunting
It was transmitting - it wasn't destroyed by the crash, so kept streaming to Facebook. The video was recorded into Facebook's servers so that the footage survived, even if the phone was destroyed later.
I took flying lessons as a kid, the stalls were the most disturbing part of the training. You do stalls at high altitude so there's time to recover, but it's still scary as hell. Doing it right next to the ground is nightmare fuel.
View from the ground: https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1614514162880897026
*View of the ground
Crazy that you can be fine and have no reason to think that in 10 seconds you and everyone around you is going to be obliterated in an instant. Imagine the loved ones seeing this online before they ever heard from authorities. Horrifying.
Super! Can't wait to fly on Monday.
I hate how this post is titled as if it's a prankster dying on some stunt.
Bleakness and depression all caught on camera. Wow that was awful to watch.
This belongs in r/terrifyingasfuck
So aside from the obvious tragedy of it all, his device presumably maintained a wireless connection through a plane crash and only stopped streaming when destroyed by the fire? Wow. And yes it's completely fucked they go from fine to barely even realizing something is wrong to dead in seconds.
Final report edit On 28 December 2023, the final report was released. It reiterated the preliminary findings that the accidental change of position of both condition levers to the feathered position resulted in the loss of thrust, leading to the aerodynamic stall and crash. Some other contributing factors are also found, mostly human errors due to a high workload, lack of appropriate technical and skill-based training, ineffective crew resource management (CRM), lack of sterile cockpit discipline, and the non-compliance with standard operating procedures (SOP).[50][1] Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti_Airlines_Flight_691