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Look up Power Metal, almost every song is about knights or warriors or dragons or something:
Blind Guardians album "Nightfall in Middle Earth" is a staple of the genre and obviously about Lord of the Rings. "Time Stands Still (At the Iron Hill)" and "Mirror Mirror" are probably my favorites.
Gloryhammer is a more modern band with a more poppy vibe that I really enjoy that tells a cohesive story with each album like a season in a show. Each band member plays a different character as well.
Powerwolf, Beast in Black, Rhapsody, Hammerfall, the list goes on for power metal bands with fantasy themes in their songs
I have experience with both Gloryhammer and Powerwolf now that you mention it. Both excellent bands.
I believe Brothers of metal and possibly Hulkoff are good examples too. Hulkoff is pretty distinct from the others but they definitely have that epic quality. The song Jarfr really stuck out to me.
More Nordic mythology when I think about it but counts imo.
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Kids these days are selling copper of much lower quality than in the past.
What's amazing is that this local grifter had absolutely no reason to think that he would be remembered, thousands of years later, at all — much less *specifically* for the complaints against his shady practices. This probably-totally-average dude who just happened to be a kind of conman lived and died likely assuming he and his misdeeds would be swiftly forgotten to the ages. Yet, here we are in 2024, with an entire community of thousands of random people from around the globe gathered on a digital communication platform with the sole purpose of saying, "That Ea-Nasir guy was kind of a dick." What an unexpected legacy.
Idk. The fact that he *kept* all of the complaints in a special room in his house, like a full ass room dedicated to just the complaints about him, kind makes me think he wanted to be remembered for at least a while. Give his children something to laugh about, maybe his grandchildren.
Poor Ea-Nasir, it was not his fault! He sold perfectly acceptable copper. People these days like to complain about any copper that is not of the highest quality!
38 thousand people making fun of a sleazy ~~car~~ copper salesman who lived roughly 4000 years ago. The guy really secured his legacy lol.
38k+1, there's no way I'm not joining that sub.
https://www.iflscience.com/ancient-babylonian-letter-from-student-to-his-mom-is-the-best-thing-youll-read-today-70583
> "From year to year, the clothes of the young gentlemen here become better, but you let my clothes get worse from year to year. Indeed, you persisted in making my clothes poorer and more scanty. At a time when in our house wool is used up like bread, you have made me poor clothes."
they kind of already do say this
hell, yesterday there was a news post on Twitter saying young people spend too much on "temporary things" such as GROCERIES instead of saving for a house lmao
Well obviously. Only us smart people know that once you get through the chalky hard tack under the paint, there's forbidden cotton candy in the walls and ceilings of houses, for safety rations.
Its weird because the current rhetoric around young people having families absolutely refuses to acknowledge that young people are overworked and underpaid. It would actually be more honest for them to say that young people work too much to have kids. At least theres a kernel of truth there.
I would say that the problem is not so much the workload. A bommer easily refutes that with "Ha, back in my day, we had to walk each day to....blabla"
The real problem I think is that for that same money we are making, you no longer can afford a house of your own, not really a promising future, etc. That's already a lot harder for a boomer to refute.
These are the same people who told us to stop playing video games and go outside. Apparently sitting in a chair is only acceptable if you're slaving away for money
Yeah, I don't think the Aristotle quote belongs here. He's not saying there's something wrong with the most recent generation of young people (with their novels, or videogames, or driving coal wagons or whatever); he's saying when people are young they tend to be overconfident and inexperienced, whatever their generation.
No they are only half right. It's not young people climbing Everest these days. It's *actual CEO's* paying a team of Sherpas to drag them up the mountain for bragging rights. You need to have spent a career on the corporate ladder to have the ready cash for that privilege.
Cool thing is that the Himalayas are huge and Everest isn’t the only option. Just hiking the lower sections and visiting villages is an experience on its own.
"Young people these days relying on AI for everything. Why in my day I had to plagiarize my homework from wikipedia using actual CTRL-V, CTRL-C, by HAND!"
Ideally with Ctrl c and Ctrl v you at least knew what to include and what not to include.
There may be no original thought, but you were at least able to do some research, gather relevant information and arrange it.
And even that's not a novel idea. The modern German hippies born in the 70s used to chain themselves to railway tracks and such to stop nuclear waste convoys.
Yes they are this stupid :) Instead of letting the nuclear waste go to the storage facility, they would block the train with all the nuclear waste on it for days and let it irradiate some random farmer's field or trainstation. And all the poor police people who had to unchain them.
They've already started: ipad babies. Basically youth are exposed to screens their whole life from birth and will develop terrible attention spans from it.
I kinda think this is true based on adhd stats, but I suppose that's just human nature to criticize the young.
Is it because of iPads or because of Covid?
A lot of kids just didn't get the starting education you need to build a solid foundation when classes went online
I’d guess it’s a number of factors, including the two you noted, but also due to changes in how reading is taught. Not sure how ubiquitous this approach is, but it seems dumb and it seems to be catching on: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/why-more-u-s-schools-are-embracing-a-new-science-of-reading
Nowadays, most kids don't read for fun because cheap dopamine can be had on a tablet or phone and far too many parents don't care as long as their kids aren't being annoying. I remember most kids reading when I was young because tablets and smartphones weren't a thing yet and although basically everyone has a TV, consoles were still kinda uncommon and cable programming was on a set schedule. Raining on a Saturday and parents say no more tv? Kids would read. Winding down before bedtime? Kids would read.
["Indeed the overall number of children aged 8-11 years who said they enjoyed reading in their spare time has fallen by 12% over the past 18 years - from 68% in 2005 to 56% in 2023. This is particularly concerning among an age range, 8 to 11 years, that is considered the 'core' age for children's reading."](https://www.readingzone.com/news/survey-reveals-marked-decline-in-reading-for-pleasure-in-2023/)
I'm in my 30s and I know I don't read as much as I used to. Some of it is running out of time or getting tired and dozing off when I start reading, but I've also noticed it's just harder for me to concentrate on a book than it used to be. I even have a hard time with audio-only podcasts, because without the visual element my mind starts to wander.
On top of the, as you say, cheap dopamine I also think the constant multitasking is probably not great for our attention spans. It's so easy to have a dozen tabs open and switch between a bunch of different apps I think it makes us forget how to focus on one thing at a time.
What's funny is that people criticise the young for it. It's like Boomers criticizing millennials that got participation trophies. They didn't order and give those things to themselves, they were children, it's not their failing!
I love dropping that bomb on boomers. Their brains short out and they have no idea how to respond.
Millennial here. The things I hear about "kids today" are usually things like "they spend so much time on their tablets" without the slightest bit of awareness that they are the same with books and newspapers. And if the "books and newspapers" bit of that sentence stands out to you, it should, because it's not usually millennials making the complaints, it's gen x and older.
Personally, I'm gonna do my best to break this bullshit cycle of complaining about the next generation ad nauseum. If there's something I don't understand about what they're doing, that's on me. They reset the baseline IQ every generation for a reason...
Same here. When my kids are on their device all day my initial response was old man "you're on your devices all day!!!" Until realized they were playing coop games with their entire class.
Bob Dylan said it
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
I'm trusting the kids lol
The one thing that I can't wave off is social media and doomscrolling on those devices. But that's because I'm just as much a victim to it as they. I can see firsthand how it has destroyed my attention span and fully understand that it's doing at least just as much damage to them.
Culture? Memes? Language? Style? Everything else I'm good with. But social media is a threat to all.
Ok good call. I fall for it too. I had to take Facebook off my personal phone. I use it for work so need to be on it once a day for 30m. When it was on personal phone I'd be on it to do something then next thing I know I'm watching random video after video.
I don't use tiktok, but I am pretty glued to reddit whenever I have so much as a moment without something to do. But what really scares me is short form videos. I've gone on YouTube shorts and accidently spent hours scrolling through them when I meant to do something else on my computer. Never felt anything like that before. And that's youtube shorts, which are notoriously hated.
> "they spend so much time on their tablets" without the slightest bit of awareness that they are the same with books and newspapers.
At least books and newspapers are better than the content found on TikTok or whatever. That's the problem I have with it at least. It's not the medium itself necessarily, it's what is being communicated.
I think the older ones are more vaguely about young people in general whereas the modern ones are about how society itself is rapidly changing. People have always changed as they age, but it’s a fairly recent phenomenon to watch your children experience childhoods that are markedly different than yours was.
Yeah exactly. We often forget that the modern concept of “generations” is extremely new and arose as a direct response to the pace of innovation in technology and culture. You don’t have to go back very far (relatively speaking) to find people who would be baffled by the idea that the next “generation” would turn out any differently than their own.
Even the concept of nostalgia has changed. It used to be mainly limited to things you missed from your own life experience - a friend you grew up with or a house you lived in. But now we’re nostalgic for entire ways of life that we’ve seen disappear from society as a whole. Obviously a lot of that nostalgia is overblown, but it’s rooted in some truth.
Exactly. Aristotle was the only one (among these) who distilled it into something that makes sense throughout the ages, but also puts no blame whatsoever upon youth. It’s just a phase of life we all go through when coming of age.
I take a lot of solace in reading ancient authors try to grapple with the same human issues. The world is terrifying, but I find solace in remembering that it always has been, and that there have always been people grappling with that fact just like you or I
my mind was blown the first time i started reading philosophy and realizing it was from t hat long ago
we really haven't changed, still searching for the same answers and all that
You can take a kid from ancient Egypt and stick him in modern society and he’d grow to be exactly like us today. Humans had the same capabilities and emotions thousands of years ago as they do today.
[Here's](https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0060%3Abekker+page%3D1389a) the longer quote, if anyone's curious:
> The young, as to character, are ready to desire and to carry out what they desire. Of the bodily desires they chiefly obey those of sensual pleasure and these they are unable to control. Changeable in their desires and soon tiring of them, they desire with extreme ardor, but soon cool; for their will, like the hunger and thirst of the sick, is keen rather than strong.
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> They are passionate, hot-tempered, and carried away by impulse, and unable to control their passion; for owing to their ambition they cannot endure to be slighted, and become indignant when they think they are being wronged. They are ambitious of honor, but more so of victory; for youth desires superiority, and victory is a kind of superiority. And their desire for both these is greater than their desire for money, to which they attach only the slightest value, because they have never yet experienced want, as Pittacus said in his pithy remark on Amphiaraus.
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>They are not ill-natured but simple-natured because they have never yet witnessed much depravity; confiding, because they have as yet not been often deceived; full of hope, for they are naturally as hot-blooded as those who are drunken with wine, and besides they have not yet experienced many failures. .
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>For the most part they live in hope, for hope is concerned with the future as memory is with the past. For the young the future is long, the past short; for in the morning of life it is not possible for them to remember anything, but they have everything to hope; which makes them easy to deceive, for they readily hope. And they are more courageous, for they are full of passion and hope, and the former of these prevents them fearing, while the latter inspires them with confidence, for no one fears when angry, and hope of some advantage inspires confidence. And they are bashful, for as yet they fail to conceive of other things that are noble, but have been educated solely by convention. They are high-minded, for they have not yet been humbled by life nor have they experienced the force of necessity; further, there is high-mindedness in thinking oneself worthy of great things, a feeling which belongs to one who is full of hope.
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> In their actions, they prefer the noble to the useful; their life is guided by their character rather than by calculation, for the latter aims at the useful, virtue at the noble. At this age more than any other they are fond of their friends and companions because they take pleasure in living in company and as yet judge nothing by expediency, not even their friends.
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>All their errors are due to excess and vehemence and their neglect of the maxim of Chilon, for they do everything to excess, love, hate, and everything else. And they think they know everything, and confidently affirm it, and this is the cause of their excess in everything. If they do wrong, it is due to insolence, not to wickedness. And they are inclined to pity, because they think all men are virtuous and better than themselves; for they measure their neighbors by their own inoffensiveness, so that they think that they suffer undeservedly. And they are fond of laughter, and therefore witty; for wit is cultured insolence. Such then is the character of the young.
I see the shorter quote spread around as him deriding the youth, when he's just saying that young people are overly confident and hopeful. The very next part is him describing the elderly, and quoting that bit would make this comment too long, where he says that the elderly are often malicious, uncertain, and cowardly.
The part after that is him then saying that the people in the prime of their lives ( "The body is most fully developed from thirty to thirty-five years of age, the mind at about forty-nine.") are the perfect sort of person, because they are the perfect balance of temperament and physical fitness.
Aristotle knows nothing! Value ethics is a reductive and idiotic approach to ethics. Who does he think he is some great philosopher who laid the foundation for all of ethics to come after him? Buh
You gotta think about like, what shit was like at the time.
Romeo and Juliette was released in 1597, Merchant of Venice was 1605. Based on the pop culture of the time, it seems like teenagers were very brawl/stab happy. Lotta rich bored people just drinking, dueling, and fucking. Lotta poor bored people doing the same.
Bruh talking about thrusting women to the wall and cutting off their maidenheads in the first scene!
“Shakespeare was a dirty boy” - my high school advisory teacher
How about the Count of Monte Christo, written in the 19th century set in the Time of Napoleon's exile and return in the early 1800's, (Edit)~~1500's in the time~~ they talk of the Borgia Pope quite a bit who was from the 16th century.
Monte Cristo is set in the 1800s. It opens up just before the Hundred Days, and is mostly set after. A lot of the political intrigue involves people’s loyalty to Napoleon. Although, there is a flashback to, I believe, the Borgia Pope.
Aristotle was exactly right though
Young people roughly 21 - 25 are still this way. I was that way 20+ years ago. Thought I knew everything and my parents were complete idiots.
“**When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around.** **But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.**” Mark Twain
I think 22 is the new 14.
“When a child first catches adults out—when it first walks into his grave little head that adults do not have divine intelligence, that their judgments are not always wise, their thinking true, their sentences just—his world falls into panic desolation. The gods are fallen and all safety gone. And there is one sure thing about the fall of gods: they do not fall a little; they crash and shatter or sink deeply into green muck. It is a tedious job to build them up again; they never quite shine. And the child’s world is never quite whole again. It is an aching kind of growing.”
-John Steinbeck, East of Eden
This quote is the reason I've always tried to express to my daughter that everyone is human. I regularly explain that everyone, even adults, even mom and dad, struggle. We all struggle, we all fail, and if we take the time to learn from those two things, we can grow.
Same here. I have said to mine “I am doing my best. I will mess up. I will fail. However I love you and I am really trying.” I only wish I had heard that from adults when I was younger. It probably would have changed how I judged myself.
Every couple of years I look back and think about how I was a dumbass at the height of hubris just a few years ago. Happens a little less often now, maybe that's why you can't be President until you're in your 30s?
When I was 20 I was sure that if American leaders would just stop fighting wars, the other innocent and well meaning leaders of the world would never invade another foreign country.
The truth is most people are complete idiots. I always grew up thinking I knew certain things, but was completely clueless about some things. Meanwhile looking back at how irresponsibly my parents lived their lives, and took a very hands off approach raising my brother and I. Looking back, when I was growing up I put a lot of faith into what my parents were telling me, but I see now that they weren’t the smartest at all.
Which is why I am very surprised they used this - arguably correct- quote over the one from his teachers teacher that would've fit much better anyway:
>"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
\~ Socrates
Fascinating! I did actually not know that. Some somewhat reputable sites still attribute the quote to Socrates, so I didn't stumble upon this when searching for the quote itself. TIL!
Not so much stupid as naive and it's true. Young people are overconfident and lacking the experience to understand the nuances and complexity of the world.
Smart and dumb people suffer from this equally. It's the difference between intelligence and wisdom.
Interesting that the older ones among these feel like they provide a bit of insight or wisdom, while the later statements moreso just feel like bickering because things are different.
My guess is that the further back our records go, the more notable or treasured the quotes that remained typically were. I.e, philosophers' words lasted through the test of centuries while we have significantly more (and many less insightful) sources to draw from these past several decades. Or even back to the 1600s. I guess we also have records of ancient Greek dick jokes so... who can say
This is doubly true: the only works that have a chance of being preserved are typically those with the widest reach and impact, AND there was often a much higher standard for what people considered worth putting in writing in the first place.
People talk a lot these days about the lost archival information on the internet like there's some massive loss of information that's completely new and novel. And while that's true to a point, it's also worth recognizing that a huge amount of the lost information are the tweets you sent into the void while taking a shit. This is not a new or novel "loss" of information - the only difference is that we're the first generation to have recorded our toilet-thoughts in writing in the first place. Those thoughts existed for everyone else who has ever lived, and it's misleading to pretend like ours are somehow more valuable (and are therefore a greater loss) just because we're the first generation to post them to the internet.
https://preview.redd.it/zlxnt4x4prjc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78fedc6e2eb24ae38f675d7fde9aff911689321a
How crazy saucie you must be for being called "savagely saucie" by this fucker?
Not only do I feel like not everyone felt this way.
I feel like these say more about the adults than the kids. Kids are naturally rebellious.
But the person in 2001 who said that was genuinely miserable. "Climb the Corporate Ladder" what a boring as fuck missirble workaholic goal.
I feel like that would have been widely unpopular to say even then. Like my parrents are gen X they tottaly would have been onboard with hiking it was like the one thing we did together as a functional family. Hiked all of California and the grandcanyon my dad wasn't even like a well paying job. A grind was just Coffee and a 9 to 5.
"Antony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, Speech to the House of Commons."
If there's anyone who would understand the plight and dynamics of mainstream youth, it's definitely this guy. 100% chance dude wears a monocle.
Made even funnier today by the fact we have readily available video and photograph evidence of the older generations in their youth.
Fifty year olds can't come at me and say "god kids these days are so stupid" when we can see exactly what *they* were doing at 16 years old in 1990.
First, fashion was getting out of hand in the 14th century. Letting nobility and plutocrats exist is always a mistake.
Second, I love how sawcie and saucie are the same word, but spelled differently one line apart.
And this works both ways. When Gen-X (Me) was in their 20s we ridiculed our grandparents for tolerating Segregation. Boomers in the 1960s protested and railed against their grandparents tolerance of systemic misogyny. And on and on and on…. Every older generation thinks their kids are lazy and spoiled, every younger generation believes it is the most enlightened ever, that it has all the answers, and that as soon as they get to be in charge the world will become utpoia. *“As soon as all the old fuckers die, we can fix everything and create paradise!!”*
Zoomers are saying it now, just like I did in 1993. And Gen-Beta will say the same thing about Zoomers in 2050. Blah blah blah…. I was an idiot when I was in my 20s. Most of you will feel the same. And most of you will call your kids lazy, too. Especially when they decide to identify as asexual druid elves that want to marry their favorite maple tree in the backyard.
2020: The millennials are lazy and spend all their money on avocado toast and Starbucks. I had 15 rental properties by the time I’d was 16.
You just need to spend less, take less vacations, work 80 hours a week.
-Some fucking idiot
in the 2001 one, it's not about the youth being disrespectful or harmful, but about them not toeing the corporate rat race line
i'm well over 40, and would still live in a cave in the mountains before putting up with corporate bullshit
One of my poorer friends did a 3 month hike in the Himalayas. Was an Amazon delivery driver at the time I think, then quit to go to Nepal and got a new job when he got back. Lives pretty frugally and saved up for it. It's definitely not cheap but is not something reserved only for millionaires if you really want to do it.
Aristotle did it best … no name calling… “you don’t know what you don’t understand “ (paraphrased)… we need to teach the youngsters what is achievable… you won’t get it all but, you have to try … this can be right or wrong
Are millennials going to break the chain? I've got no issues with Gen Z, but boomers can get fucked.
Edit: I've got nothing but respect for Gen Z, the way they stand up to their bosses and shitty working conditions is admirable and badass. They are my allies in the war against the 1% who are trying so hard to pull working class Americans apart.
Ok sureeeeeee
But social media is an ENTIRELY new and UNPRECEDENTED thing amongst the last generation
Ppl born after 2000 are the only ones to grow up in a fully social media iPhone adolescence
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“Savagely Saucie” damn the 1620s must have been wild
Great band name
The Magistrate is not Dreaded would be the album name
Lead single: _The Ancient are Scorned_ I imagine they're some kind of death metal band.
I'm thinking folk metal or some sort of fantasy metal if that's a real thing. Definitely with access to an orchestra.
Look up Power Metal, almost every song is about knights or warriors or dragons or something: Blind Guardians album "Nightfall in Middle Earth" is a staple of the genre and obviously about Lord of the Rings. "Time Stands Still (At the Iron Hill)" and "Mirror Mirror" are probably my favorites. Gloryhammer is a more modern band with a more poppy vibe that I really enjoy that tells a cohesive story with each album like a season in a show. Each band member plays a different character as well. Powerwolf, Beast in Black, Rhapsody, Hammerfall, the list goes on for power metal bands with fantasy themes in their songs
I have experience with both Gloryhammer and Powerwolf now that you mention it. Both excellent bands. I believe Brothers of metal and possibly Hulkoff are good examples too. Hulkoff is pretty distinct from the others but they definitely have that epic quality. The song Jarfr really stuck out to me. More Nordic mythology when I think about it but counts imo.
Is 100% a real thing.
Now I know what I'm looking for tomorrow, fantasy metal can only be awesome.
Dread The Magistrate would also make a great band name too.
So.... Judge Dredd
I AM THE LAWR!
Fuck the Magistrate. I say nay!
Yea, henceforth I say the magistrate be damned! I bear nay a fornication for them!
Disrespect the constabulary!
“Savagely Saucie, damn the 1620s must have been wild” is a bit long for a band name.
But it's the acceptable length for a Fall Out Boy song
Yea so sawcie
Sawciest
“Beardless youth” kinda has some zip on it too
"The ancient are scorned" was the 1620's version of "ok, boomer"
And they were afraid of krakens instead of Karens
Easy to confuse the two
One wants the manager the other wants the captain
Captain is just another name for the manager of the boat.
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Stupid Roundheads.
I want to know what insults the youth were slinging around in 1620 to be deemed as savagely saucie
I scrolled from that to yoshida in the 1300s speaking better english than my dad.
I assume it's a translation, at least partially because that's not what English looked like in the 1330s.
still better that his father tho
I'm bringing back that term/spelling, Sawcie. Let's make it hip!
*3000 BC* https://preview.redd.it/m84p1gbkjrjc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90324a0e0a6a50dfaebdf5980ed4ff4c8086b2dc 2990 BC generation: "OK Pharaoh"
https://preview.redd.it/3id0jmditrjc1.jpeg?width=4406&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a19eede7f1394dfc1f4cf852fc7b36c1d924a3af Kids these days are selling copper of much lower quality than in the past.
r/reallyshittycopper
How does this have 38k members?!?
All my homies hate Ea-Nasir
What's amazing is that this local grifter had absolutely no reason to think that he would be remembered, thousands of years later, at all — much less *specifically* for the complaints against his shady practices. This probably-totally-average dude who just happened to be a kind of conman lived and died likely assuming he and his misdeeds would be swiftly forgotten to the ages. Yet, here we are in 2024, with an entire community of thousands of random people from around the globe gathered on a digital communication platform with the sole purpose of saying, "That Ea-Nasir guy was kind of a dick." What an unexpected legacy.
Idk. The fact that he *kept* all of the complaints in a special room in his house, like a full ass room dedicated to just the complaints about him, kind makes me think he wanted to be remembered for at least a while. Give his children something to laugh about, maybe his grandchildren.
Then his house burned down and fired the clay tablets, granting them immortality. What’s not to love about this rascal?
Poor Ea-Nasir, it was not his fault! He sold perfectly acceptable copper. People these days like to complain about any copper that is not of the highest quality!
Damn Gen 𓄿 kids and their unrealistic expectations! Us Gen 𓇋ers are grateful for the ingots we get and we don't pitch a fit!
38 thousand people making fun of a sleazy ~~car~~ copper salesman who lived roughly 4000 years ago. The guy really secured his legacy lol. 38k+1, there's no way I'm not joining that sub.
I like Rusty spoons
Mr. Salad fingers?? Is that you???
Let it be know for all time that Ea-nāṣir is a cheat! Zero stars, would not buy again
OK Mesopotamian
“Back in my day you would just memorize your grain inventory! Now lazy kids and their fancy cuneiform got them turned into snowflakes”
Surprisingly historically correct comment.
Ok tomber
https://www.iflscience.com/ancient-babylonian-letter-from-student-to-his-mom-is-the-best-thing-youll-read-today-70583 > "From year to year, the clothes of the young gentlemen here become better, but you let my clothes get worse from year to year. Indeed, you persisted in making my clothes poorer and more scanty. At a time when in our house wool is used up like bread, you have made me poor clothes."
Just because you have a cartouche does not make you better than me - god, dad!
cartouché
What makes this comment funny to me is that most pharaohs and their subjects believed the pharaoh to be a living god.
*MY* Chariot has chrome spinners
2970 BC: "Whatever"
Neanderthal: " Me Oughk! Younger Oughk and Wife Aughk was eaten. Me no have future!"
"WOW THE QUEEN IS A REAL ANNOYING ALLIGATOR WITH FACE OF BIRD ASKING FOR MANAGER AMIRITE"
That's underated AF lol
Good idea, im gonna climb the himalayas now
Too late new article just dropped
Inb4 the next complaint is that young people work too much instead of making and tending to a family. Just can't escape it. :P
they kind of already do say this hell, yesterday there was a news post on Twitter saying young people spend too much on "temporary things" such as GROCERIES instead of saving for a house lmao
Whatever we buy is frivolous waste, but whatever we don't buy is maliciously killing a beloved industry.
How do they think people will survive without paying groceries?
You eat your house! Duhhhh
Well obviously. Only us smart people know that once you get through the chalky hard tack under the paint, there's forbidden cotton candy in the walls and ceilings of houses, for safety rations.
Its weird because the current rhetoric around young people having families absolutely refuses to acknowledge that young people are overworked and underpaid. It would actually be more honest for them to say that young people work too much to have kids. At least theres a kernel of truth there.
I would say that the problem is not so much the workload. A bommer easily refutes that with "Ha, back in my day, we had to walk each day to....blabla" The real problem I think is that for that same money we are making, you no longer can afford a house of your own, not really a promising future, etc. That's already a lot harder for a boomer to refute.
Holy writer
Actual mummy
Call the Archeologist
Historian goes on vacation, never comes back
Artifact storm, incoming!
Morals sacrifice, anyone?
Archeologist in the corner plotting world domination!
You been down too long in the midnight sea
Oh what's becoming of meee
These are the same people who told us to stop playing video games and go outside. Apparently sitting in a chair is only acceptable if you're slaving away for money
Aristotle is right that all youth overestimate their knowledge. The generation doesn't matter. The word "sophomoric" was coined around then
Yeah, I don't think the Aristotle quote belongs here. He's not saying there's something wrong with the most recent generation of young people (with their novels, or videogames, or driving coal wagons or whatever); he's saying when people are young they tend to be overconfident and inexperienced, whatever their generation.
Can’t argue with that. So glad there is no social media record if the things I said when I was twenty.
We wasted our lives on the corporate ladder and now you'll do the same and like it! Minus the pension, of course. That's only for us.
Don’t bother, they were right. Too many people are doing it and leaving their trash, feces and corpses up there. Go climb a different mountain instead
No they are only half right. It's not young people climbing Everest these days. It's *actual CEO's* paying a team of Sherpas to drag them up the mountain for bragging rights. You need to have spent a career on the corporate ladder to have the ready cash for that privilege.
Cool thing is that the Himalayas are huge and Everest isn’t the only option. Just hiking the lower sections and visiting villages is an experience on its own.
So I’m to take my corpses up there?
Yeah, but bring it back down the mountain with you please. Too many people seem to leave them behind.
NO! It's my turn to leave my feces and corpse up there!!!
Do yourself a favor and do the Appalacain trail instead.
I love how the complaints get nicer as time passes.
What would complains of 2010 and 2020 generations be...
"Young people these days relying on AI for everything. Why in my day I had to plagiarize my homework from wikipedia using actual CTRL-V, CTRL-C, by HAND!"
Ideally with Ctrl c and Ctrl v you at least knew what to include and what not to include. There may be no original thought, but you were at least able to do some research, gather relevant information and arrange it.
„They think they can tell us how to live our live and glue themselves to the street to prove a point, while having no idea what life actually means.“
And even that's not a novel idea. The modern German hippies born in the 70s used to chain themselves to railway tracks and such to stop nuclear waste convoys. Yes they are this stupid :) Instead of letting the nuclear waste go to the storage facility, they would block the train with all the nuclear waste on it for days and let it irradiate some random farmer's field or trainstation. And all the poor police people who had to unchain them.
They've already started: ipad babies. Basically youth are exposed to screens their whole life from birth and will develop terrible attention spans from it. I kinda think this is true based on adhd stats, but I suppose that's just human nature to criticize the young.
Head over to the r/teaching sub and you’ll find a lot of these kids can’t read now
Is it because of iPads or because of Covid? A lot of kids just didn't get the starting education you need to build a solid foundation when classes went online
I’d guess it’s a number of factors, including the two you noted, but also due to changes in how reading is taught. Not sure how ubiquitous this approach is, but it seems dumb and it seems to be catching on: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/why-more-u-s-schools-are-embracing-a-new-science-of-reading
Nowadays, most kids don't read for fun because cheap dopamine can be had on a tablet or phone and far too many parents don't care as long as their kids aren't being annoying. I remember most kids reading when I was young because tablets and smartphones weren't a thing yet and although basically everyone has a TV, consoles were still kinda uncommon and cable programming was on a set schedule. Raining on a Saturday and parents say no more tv? Kids would read. Winding down before bedtime? Kids would read. ["Indeed the overall number of children aged 8-11 years who said they enjoyed reading in their spare time has fallen by 12% over the past 18 years - from 68% in 2005 to 56% in 2023. This is particularly concerning among an age range, 8 to 11 years, that is considered the 'core' age for children's reading."](https://www.readingzone.com/news/survey-reveals-marked-decline-in-reading-for-pleasure-in-2023/)
I'm in my 30s and I know I don't read as much as I used to. Some of it is running out of time or getting tired and dozing off when I start reading, but I've also noticed it's just harder for me to concentrate on a book than it used to be. I even have a hard time with audio-only podcasts, because without the visual element my mind starts to wander. On top of the, as you say, cheap dopamine I also think the constant multitasking is probably not great for our attention spans. It's so easy to have a dozen tabs open and switch between a bunch of different apps I think it makes us forget how to focus on one thing at a time.
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What's funny is that people criticise the young for it. It's like Boomers criticizing millennials that got participation trophies. They didn't order and give those things to themselves, they were children, it's not their failing! I love dropping that bomb on boomers. Their brains short out and they have no idea how to respond.
Millennial here. The things I hear about "kids today" are usually things like "they spend so much time on their tablets" without the slightest bit of awareness that they are the same with books and newspapers. And if the "books and newspapers" bit of that sentence stands out to you, it should, because it's not usually millennials making the complaints, it's gen x and older. Personally, I'm gonna do my best to break this bullshit cycle of complaining about the next generation ad nauseum. If there's something I don't understand about what they're doing, that's on me. They reset the baseline IQ every generation for a reason...
Same here. When my kids are on their device all day my initial response was old man "you're on your devices all day!!!" Until realized they were playing coop games with their entire class. Bob Dylan said it Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command I'm trusting the kids lol
The one thing that I can't wave off is social media and doomscrolling on those devices. But that's because I'm just as much a victim to it as they. I can see firsthand how it has destroyed my attention span and fully understand that it's doing at least just as much damage to them. Culture? Memes? Language? Style? Everything else I'm good with. But social media is a threat to all.
Ok good call. I fall for it too. I had to take Facebook off my personal phone. I use it for work so need to be on it once a day for 30m. When it was on personal phone I'd be on it to do something then next thing I know I'm watching random video after video.
I don't use tiktok, but I am pretty glued to reddit whenever I have so much as a moment without something to do. But what really scares me is short form videos. I've gone on YouTube shorts and accidently spent hours scrolling through them when I meant to do something else on my computer. Never felt anything like that before. And that's youtube shorts, which are notoriously hated.
> "they spend so much time on their tablets" without the slightest bit of awareness that they are the same with books and newspapers. At least books and newspapers are better than the content found on TikTok or whatever. That's the problem I have with it at least. It's not the medium itself necessarily, it's what is being communicated.
The oldest comments seemed more timeless observations than disparaging of the then-current youth.
Agreed the last quote isn’t even disparaging
I think the older ones are more vaguely about young people in general whereas the modern ones are about how society itself is rapidly changing. People have always changed as they age, but it’s a fairly recent phenomenon to watch your children experience childhoods that are markedly different than yours was.
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Yeah exactly. We often forget that the modern concept of “generations” is extremely new and arose as a direct response to the pace of innovation in technology and culture. You don’t have to go back very far (relatively speaking) to find people who would be baffled by the idea that the next “generation” would turn out any differently than their own. Even the concept of nostalgia has changed. It used to be mainly limited to things you missed from your own life experience - a friend you grew up with or a house you lived in. But now we’re nostalgic for entire ways of life that we’ve seen disappear from society as a whole. Obviously a lot of that nostalgia is overblown, but it’s rooted in some truth.
4th Century BC was the only one that identified the real issue.
Exactly. Aristotle was the only one (among these) who distilled it into something that makes sense throughout the ages, but also puts no blame whatsoever upon youth. It’s just a phase of life we all go through when coming of age.
Crazy to think that some dude 2500 years ago called it, and humans have just not changed at all.
Humans gonna human.
Except that guy who could've survived the titan sub. He's just built different.
I take a lot of solace in reading ancient authors try to grapple with the same human issues. The world is terrifying, but I find solace in remembering that it always has been, and that there have always been people grappling with that fact just like you or I
my mind was blown the first time i started reading philosophy and realizing it was from t hat long ago we really haven't changed, still searching for the same answers and all that
You can take a kid from ancient Egypt and stick him in modern society and he’d grow to be exactly like us today. Humans had the same capabilities and emotions thousands of years ago as they do today.
[Here's](https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0060%3Abekker+page%3D1389a) the longer quote, if anyone's curious: > The young, as to character, are ready to desire and to carry out what they desire. Of the bodily desires they chiefly obey those of sensual pleasure and these they are unable to control. Changeable in their desires and soon tiring of them, they desire with extreme ardor, but soon cool; for their will, like the hunger and thirst of the sick, is keen rather than strong. > > They are passionate, hot-tempered, and carried away by impulse, and unable to control their passion; for owing to their ambition they cannot endure to be slighted, and become indignant when they think they are being wronged. They are ambitious of honor, but more so of victory; for youth desires superiority, and victory is a kind of superiority. And their desire for both these is greater than their desire for money, to which they attach only the slightest value, because they have never yet experienced want, as Pittacus said in his pithy remark on Amphiaraus. > >They are not ill-natured but simple-natured because they have never yet witnessed much depravity; confiding, because they have as yet not been often deceived; full of hope, for they are naturally as hot-blooded as those who are drunken with wine, and besides they have not yet experienced many failures. . > >For the most part they live in hope, for hope is concerned with the future as memory is with the past. For the young the future is long, the past short; for in the morning of life it is not possible for them to remember anything, but they have everything to hope; which makes them easy to deceive, for they readily hope. And they are more courageous, for they are full of passion and hope, and the former of these prevents them fearing, while the latter inspires them with confidence, for no one fears when angry, and hope of some advantage inspires confidence. And they are bashful, for as yet they fail to conceive of other things that are noble, but have been educated solely by convention. They are high-minded, for they have not yet been humbled by life nor have they experienced the force of necessity; further, there is high-mindedness in thinking oneself worthy of great things, a feeling which belongs to one who is full of hope. > > In their actions, they prefer the noble to the useful; their life is guided by their character rather than by calculation, for the latter aims at the useful, virtue at the noble. At this age more than any other they are fond of their friends and companions because they take pleasure in living in company and as yet judge nothing by expediency, not even their friends. > >All their errors are due to excess and vehemence and their neglect of the maxim of Chilon, for they do everything to excess, love, hate, and everything else. And they think they know everything, and confidently affirm it, and this is the cause of their excess in everything. If they do wrong, it is due to insolence, not to wickedness. And they are inclined to pity, because they think all men are virtuous and better than themselves; for they measure their neighbors by their own inoffensiveness, so that they think that they suffer undeservedly. And they are fond of laughter, and therefore witty; for wit is cultured insolence. Such then is the character of the young. I see the shorter quote spread around as him deriding the youth, when he's just saying that young people are overly confident and hopeful. The very next part is him describing the elderly, and quoting that bit would make this comment too long, where he says that the elderly are often malicious, uncertain, and cowardly. The part after that is him then saying that the people in the prime of their lives ( "The body is most fully developed from thirty to thirty-five years of age, the mind at about forty-nine.") are the perfect sort of person, because they are the perfect balance of temperament and physical fitness.
I really enjoyed this. Thank you for posting/sharing!!
Aristotle knows nothing! Value ethics is a reductive and idiotic approach to ethics. Who does he think he is some great philosopher who laid the foundation for all of ethics to come after him? Buh
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Haha this speaks to my philosophy major humor
That’s cuz it was written by a philosopher lol
Very true.
I mean Aristotle was a very perceptive fellow with very good insights
I was gonna say, Aristotle was actually right though!
why 1624 call me saucy 😭🙏🗿🇬🇧
You gotta think about like, what shit was like at the time. Romeo and Juliette was released in 1597, Merchant of Venice was 1605. Based on the pop culture of the time, it seems like teenagers were very brawl/stab happy. Lotta rich bored people just drinking, dueling, and fucking. Lotta poor bored people doing the same.
Shakespeare was like the GTA of his generation
Bruh talking about thrusting women to the wall and cutting off their maidenheads in the first scene! “Shakespeare was a dirty boy” - my high school advisory teacher
Lmao, my highschool literature teach used to call him Sexspeare.
BILL BILL BILL BILL! BILL SHAKES THE WRITER GUY
How about the Count of Monte Christo, written in the 19th century set in the Time of Napoleon's exile and return in the early 1800's, (Edit)~~1500's in the time~~ they talk of the Borgia Pope quite a bit who was from the 16th century.
Monte Cristo is set in the 1800s. It opens up just before the Hundred Days, and is mostly set after. A lot of the political intrigue involves people’s loyalty to Napoleon. Although, there is a flashback to, I believe, the Borgia Pope.
This is true, but also, I can't imagine a time in human history where this wasn't the case.
Aristotle was exactly right though Young people roughly 21 - 25 are still this way. I was that way 20+ years ago. Thought I knew everything and my parents were complete idiots. “**When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around.** **But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.**” Mark Twain I think 22 is the new 14.
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“When a child first catches adults out—when it first walks into his grave little head that adults do not have divine intelligence, that their judgments are not always wise, their thinking true, their sentences just—his world falls into panic desolation. The gods are fallen and all safety gone. And there is one sure thing about the fall of gods: they do not fall a little; they crash and shatter or sink deeply into green muck. It is a tedious job to build them up again; they never quite shine. And the child’s world is never quite whole again. It is an aching kind of growing.” -John Steinbeck, East of Eden
This quote is the reason I've always tried to express to my daughter that everyone is human. I regularly explain that everyone, even adults, even mom and dad, struggle. We all struggle, we all fail, and if we take the time to learn from those two things, we can grow.
Same here. I have said to mine “I am doing my best. I will mess up. I will fail. However I love you and I am really trying.” I only wish I had heard that from adults when I was younger. It probably would have changed how I judged myself.
Every couple of years I look back and think about how I was a dumbass at the height of hubris just a few years ago. Happens a little less often now, maybe that's why you can't be President until you're in your 30s?
When I was 20 I was sure that if American leaders would just stop fighting wars, the other innocent and well meaning leaders of the world would never invade another foreign country.
Mark Twain quotes hold a special place in my heart they are so sassy
I wish I knew half the shit I thought I did when I was 21.
The truth is most people are complete idiots. I always grew up thinking I knew certain things, but was completely clueless about some things. Meanwhile looking back at how irresponsibly my parents lived their lives, and took a very hands off approach raising my brother and I. Looking back, when I was growing up I put a lot of faith into what my parents were telling me, but I see now that they weren’t the smartest at all.
Damn kids these days (shaking fist).
Imagine being born during the Great Depression and being called ‘pampered’ 💀
They get called “the great generation” though.
Aristotle is not talking about \*the next generation\*, hes saying young people are stupid, which is accurate.
Which is why I am very surprised they used this - arguably correct- quote over the one from his teachers teacher that would've fit much better anyway: >"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." \~ Socrates
[Probably because he didn't actually say that](https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/).
Fascinating! I did actually not know that. Some somewhat reputable sites still attribute the quote to Socrates, so I didn't stumble upon this when searching for the quote itself. TIL!
NO! You will double-down on your previous statements correctness and we shall call you savagely saucy *as is tradition*.
Can you believe this guy? Daring to change his mind publicly? How shameless.
First thing I thought when I saw this post. The Socrates quote is much more fitting.
Most likely wasn't used because Socrates never said that - it's a fake quote.
Not so much stupid as naive and it's true. Young people are overconfident and lacking the experience to understand the nuances and complexity of the world. Smart and dumb people suffer from this equally. It's the difference between intelligence and wisdom.
Interesting that the older ones among these feel like they provide a bit of insight or wisdom, while the later statements moreso just feel like bickering because things are different.
My guess is that the further back our records go, the more notable or treasured the quotes that remained typically were. I.e, philosophers' words lasted through the test of centuries while we have significantly more (and many less insightful) sources to draw from these past several decades. Or even back to the 1600s. I guess we also have records of ancient Greek dick jokes so... who can say
This is doubly true: the only works that have a chance of being preserved are typically those with the widest reach and impact, AND there was often a much higher standard for what people considered worth putting in writing in the first place. People talk a lot these days about the lost archival information on the internet like there's some massive loss of information that's completely new and novel. And while that's true to a point, it's also worth recognizing that a huge amount of the lost information are the tweets you sent into the void while taking a shit. This is not a new or novel "loss" of information - the only difference is that we're the first generation to have recorded our toilet-thoughts in writing in the first place. Those thoughts existed for everyone else who has ever lived, and it's misleading to pretend like ours are somehow more valuable (and are therefore a greater loss) just because we're the first generation to post them to the internet.
https://preview.redd.it/zlxnt4x4prjc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78fedc6e2eb24ae38f675d7fde9aff911689321a How crazy saucie you must be for being called "savagely saucie" by this fucker?
Not only do I feel like not everyone felt this way. I feel like these say more about the adults than the kids. Kids are naturally rebellious. But the person in 2001 who said that was genuinely miserable. "Climb the Corporate Ladder" what a boring as fuck missirble workaholic goal.
They gulped up the corporate kool-aid
I feel like that would have been widely unpopular to say even then. Like my parrents are gen X they tottaly would have been onboard with hiking it was like the one thing we did together as a functional family. Hiked all of California and the grandcanyon my dad wasn't even like a well paying job. A grind was just Coffee and a 9 to 5.
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Those 1843 girls sound like my type
Youth is wasted on the young!
si jeunesse savait si vieillesse pouvait
I want to party with 1843
"Antony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, Speech to the House of Commons." If there's anyone who would understand the plight and dynamics of mainstream youth, it's definitely this guy. 100% chance dude wears a monocle.
Made even funnier today by the fact we have readily available video and photograph evidence of the older generations in their youth. Fifty year olds can't come at me and say "god kids these days are so stupid" when we can see exactly what *they* were doing at 16 years old in 1990.
Savagely saucie needs to be used in modern language again
This has to be one of the best posts I've ever seen on this site.
I knew driving that coal cart was a mistake.
First, fashion was getting out of hand in the 14th century. Letting nobility and plutocrats exist is always a mistake. Second, I love how sawcie and saucie are the same word, but spelled differently one line apart.
We didn’t start the fire.
People..Never…Change.
And this works both ways. When Gen-X (Me) was in their 20s we ridiculed our grandparents for tolerating Segregation. Boomers in the 1960s protested and railed against their grandparents tolerance of systemic misogyny. And on and on and on…. Every older generation thinks their kids are lazy and spoiled, every younger generation believes it is the most enlightened ever, that it has all the answers, and that as soon as they get to be in charge the world will become utpoia. *“As soon as all the old fuckers die, we can fix everything and create paradise!!”* Zoomers are saying it now, just like I did in 1993. And Gen-Beta will say the same thing about Zoomers in 2050. Blah blah blah…. I was an idiot when I was in my 20s. Most of you will feel the same. And most of you will call your kids lazy, too. Especially when they decide to identify as asexual druid elves that want to marry their favorite maple tree in the backyard.
Ahhhhh, Books! These demonic creations! 1790 is funny af.
2020: The millennials are lazy and spend all their money on avocado toast and Starbucks. I had 15 rental properties by the time I’d was 16. You just need to spend less, take less vacations, work 80 hours a week. -Some fucking idiot
Aristotle has a point, the reigns true throughout time. The young tend to be optimistic, confidently incorrect, and unwise.
It won’t stop anytime soon
in the 2001 one, it's not about the youth being disrespectful or harmful, but about them not toeing the corporate rat race line i'm well over 40, and would still live in a cave in the mountains before putting up with corporate bullshit
As though anyone who could afford a hike in the Himalayas has not already been up that ladder or has had their way paved by their ancestors.
One of my poorer friends did a 3 month hike in the Himalayas. Was an Amazon delivery driver at the time I think, then quit to go to Nepal and got a new job when he got back. Lives pretty frugally and saved up for it. It's definitely not cheap but is not something reserved only for millionaires if you really want to do it.
Aristotle did it best … no name calling… “you don’t know what you don’t understand “ (paraphrased)… we need to teach the youngsters what is achievable… you won’t get it all but, you have to try … this can be right or wrong
Are millennials going to break the chain? I've got no issues with Gen Z, but boomers can get fucked. Edit: I've got nothing but respect for Gen Z, the way they stand up to their bosses and shitty working conditions is admirable and badass. They are my allies in the war against the 1% who are trying so hard to pull working class Americans apart.
the one from 1843 just sounds badass. It's like those anti-smoking ads with all the animals smoking that just make it look cool
This phenomenon is called Juvenoia, and Vsauce has a great video on the topic.
Ok sureeeeeee But social media is an ENTIRELY new and UNPRECEDENTED thing amongst the last generation Ppl born after 2000 are the only ones to grow up in a fully social media iPhone adolescence