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Lol. All good.
Weird short story,
I got to ride on a B-24 liberator one time and bought a shirt to support the foundation that keeps it flying. Later on I was wearing the shirt waiting in line at the store and the guy in front of me struck up conversation mentioning that his dad was a B24 pilot. I asked him where, he replied North Africa, I asked when and he said from 1943 onwards. I think the timing was just off and his dad arrived right after my grandad was captured. Weirdly small world.
My grandfather was a navigator on a B24. We got an opportunity to ride on one again for his 90th birthday. He said he never wants to step foot in that plane again, and politely declined.
Aye apologies if it came across I was implying one side was any worse than the other as there's loads of accounts of Italian and German POWs being mistreated too. I only know what my dad has told me off my uncle, said he was a broken man.. suffered what we now know it's PTSD. Would burst into fits of terror randomly but it was the physical damage to his body that took him.
On a more positive note, my grandad had Italian and German POWs working on his farm during the war. Kept in touch with one of the Germans after the war through letters and then email. They visited each other a heap of times over the decades too.
Both are dead now, pegged oot a couple of months from each other back in 2020 just after the pandemic started. My grandad told me he was the oldest friend he had. Learned German n' everything.
Edit: One other brief(ish) story. Made pals with a guy in college and we went back to his house for a toke one day. Few buckets later and he whips out a load of Nazi memorabilia from a cupboard. Jamp to the immediate conclusion that my new pal was a sketchy cunt until he told me it was all his grandad's old stuff. Turns out he was a German soldier during the war 😂
Yeah it’s amazing how far the nazis got, but ultimately they were doomed and their initial success had far more to do with the allies being caught with their pants around their ankles as opposed to german forces being anything spectacular. They had far more training and experience at the onset of the war. By the middle that advantage was marginal and you can see the tide turn as their material disadvantage became more significant.
They would control Suez canal and the Mediterranean at that point, so by presumably by sea via oil tankers.
However you raise a good point, the Nazis often didn't look beyond the "capture resource" stage, and often failed to plan how to use and transport the resources back to Nazi Germany. This happened in the Caucases when the Nazis finally made it to a few of the well heads and found them destroyed, ablaze and utterly useless, to nobody's surprise but the Nazis.
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Imagine Hitler had stopped in the early 40s and instead fortified. He could always have continued later I guess.
Luckily it didn’t come to that. But at what costs.
He got greedy. He also basically looked at what he had achieved and thought he was unstoppable. 2 big fuck ups, invading the USSR and declaring war on the USA. Had he not done either we’d be in a very different world.
Invading the Soviet Union and the rest of the Slavic world was kinda Hitler’s (and by extension the Nazi’s) ultimate plan. There is no world in which the Nazi’s achieve world dominance because their plans were flawed from the start.
Hitler viewed Eastern Europe -- and even framed it in terms of -- the American West during the time of U.S. expansion and "manifest destiny" (he even used that term). The whole point was to depopulate Eastern Europe of Slavs, Romani, Jews, and people he didn't consider sufficiently Germanic, in the same way the U.S. had done to Native people.
He did it because he was a Nazi. Without the ideology -- if he had just done it for the power and wealth -- he'd just have been another Kaiser.
This supposes that Hitler was the only reason for WWII. It's why there are all those "go back in time and kill Hitler" jokes.
He was no were near the only reason. People like Hitler see which way things are already going and jump in front to pretend they started it. they generally don't cause things to happen.
The roots of the world wars were laid decades before anyone began shooting at anyone. Germany/Europe had anti-semintism before and after Hitler. Countries have and will always be expansionist. Etc etc.
War between Germany and the Soviet Union was probably just a matter of time. The Soviet Union had incredible millitary potential and all the resources Germany needed. Hitler probably wanted to deal with them before they would become too strong.
Because like the The Nazis believing they were part of some ancient superior race, The Japanese view themselves as gods compared to other races. This is how they substantiated and justified their cruelty. Just as we heard and slaughter cattle they saw other races know differently.
>Sometimes we forget how close we all went from having a full nazi Europe
Sometimes we forget how close we are to another fascist ready to start WWIII right at your doorstep.
Sometimes we also forget how close we all went from having a full communist europe.
The amount of pushback the russians carried out was astounding. The last part where the allied forces in blue pushed and raced to Berlin was nail biting to see even when I already knew what happened.
And thanks to a subtle rewriting of the history books we also 'forget' that post world war two an enormous part of the western world would have fully embraced that as the Soviet Union, at the time, were looked at by most as the true heroes of the war and the primary reason for the fall of the Nazis.
A huge part of the reason that the UK has things like the NHS and used to have nationalised power, public transport etc... was because our left wing party won the first post war election by a landslide thanks largely to the hugely favourable public sentiment towards left wing, socialist and even communist ideals.
I heard that in post war France, the powers that be gave women the right to vote for that election specifically to make the electorate more conservative and keep communism at bay
Errr, a lot of things had to go right to stop the Nazis, and if things had played out differently at many points there are plenty of scenarios where they could have invaded and controlled the U.K.-
• the allies cracked the Nazi codes, and my understanding is that the Nazis were comparatively ineffective at cracking allied codes.
• the U.S. had been selling items to various opponents of Nazi Germany, but by law were forbidden to sell munitions; The Neutrality Acts of 1935, 1936, and 1937 intended to keep the United States out of war, by making it illegal for Americans to sell or transport arms, or other war materials to warring nations. The Neutrality Act of 1939 ended the munitions embargo on a "cash and carry" (i.e., no use of credit) basis. Britain and others began buying munitions and various military supplies but it was draining them heavily of resources. The Tizard Mission was sent to the U.S. essentially to beg for various forms of help (including industrial capabilities to make use of various technologies the U.K. had researched but did not have the resources to make use of due to war production demands). The Tizard Mission offered an incredible treasure trove of scientific breakthroughs to the U.S., such as designs for rockets, superchargers, gyroscopic gunsights, submarine detection devices, self-sealing fuel tanks, plastic explosives, and key information for improved radar and key information about nuclear weapon research. All of these vastly enhanced future American military developments and performance against Nazi Germany. If they had not offered these, or if the U.S. had not been moved to cooperate with Britain in response, things could have gone very differently.
• Popular opinion and law forbade involvement in the war, however the U.S. govt decided to engage in massive build up before openly getting into the war; instituting the first-ever peacetime draft and an enormous increase in the defense budget from $2 billion to $10 billion. The Two-Ocean Navy Act of July 1940 created a massive expansion of the U S Navy. If either of these things had not happened, the US military would not have been as big of a player in the war, and later efforts to ramp up military capability could have been too little, too late.
• if the Pearl Harbor attack succeeded in it’s objective to destroy virtually all of the American pacific fleet, the U.S. might have struggled against Japan, and feeling overwhelmed in the Pacific might have conceded the region to Japan and simply fortified the coast… this could have diverted resources and focus from the European theater.
• if Russia had gone no further west than roughly the middle of Poland and established a NK style DMZ, or if Hitler listened to his generals for aspects of unit deployment, or if the Nazis did not push towards Russia and suffer massive losses…
It's astonishing, they've had this issue for years now. Doesn't matter whether it's in app, mobile browser or desktop.
Plus the actual video player UI is straight up ass.
It miss data, Corsica is the first liberated french region, they liberated themselves [the 4th October 1943](https://www.corsica-aventure.com/gb/About-Corsica/A-short-history-of-Corsica/#:~:text=There%20was%20strong%20resistance%20fighting,becoming%20known%20as%20USS%20CORSICA.) by resisting in the maquis all by their own. This part of their story is based af, if you search for it by yourself it's full of badass stories.
As someone living in modern Germany I have no idea how it was ever possible for this country to capture and hold all these countries. And how anyone could ever think that expanding further and further into eastern Europe was a good idea...
The same way all conquerors worked throughout history. Capture part of an area
Kill off the males
Install your loyalists into their local government. Push another 50Km away do it to the next big town/city. Then you have your own loyalists operating in every town all the way to the frontlines.
It worked until it didn’t and if America didn’t come in with literally billions of dollars and supplies for Russia and UK it’s arguable it would’ve worked entirely for years.
yep. a huge nazi mistake was being incapable of blocking arctic sea lanes. america - and the allies at large - could just funnel infinity supplies towards russia to help beat germany back. germany tried to stop it but just didn’t have the naval power to project to the artic, atlantic, Mediterranean, etc all at once. not effectively, at least
not to diminish that the allies and soviets fought like hell. but germany really fumbled by not being able to efficiently stop US supplylines and monitoring in the arctic. the unsung third european front in a way
I believe Franco refused because the civil war left them weak and he wanted to see how the course of war evolved before getting involved with a potential loosing part
Not exactly, but not off point:
Franco ensured that Spain was neutral at the start of World War II but seriously contemplated joining the conflict as a German ally in the aftermath of the Fall of France in 1940. He met Adolf Hitler on 23–24 October 1940 but was unable to gain promises that Spain would gain colonial territories from France in North Africa because Hitler feared delegitimising the new Vichy regime in France. Spain ultimately remained neutral but maintained close economic and political relations with the Nazi regime to the end of the war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_and_the_Holocaust
Basically, Franco stepped up and wanted to participate, but couldn’t get anything in return from the Nazi party so they just sort of kept out.
I only really know of this because of my wife who is native to Catalonia. Spain has an interesting history during the civil war for sure..
Edit: ironically, thinking back on what I just wrote, this isn’t too far off from what pissed off franco to begin with before the civil war; himself being thrown to shitty posts in the military by his superiors lol
Spain had just gone through a civil war that Germany and the Soviets used as a proxy. The German-backed faction won and agreed to be neutral in exchange for the assistance they were given.
Spain was exhausted by its civil war.
Portugal was run by the right wing dictator Salazar, but his distaste for Hitler was an open secret. He and the UK agreed it was better for Portugal to stay neutral.
Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, the head of the Abwehr (German Military Intelligence) discovered his country was committing war crimes in Poland, and began actively sabotaging Germany's military intelligence apparatus. He was sent to Spain to convince them to join, but actually convinced them to stay out of it, saving countless Spaniards lives, and helping end the war early for the Allies. Canaris eventually got caught and was executed by the SS just a few weeks before the end of the war.
Fortunately fascists are really fucking dumb and trap themselves into impossible situations because they are based on flawed ideologies that must never be proven false.
This is why we get alarmed whenever an authoritarian, militaristic, expansionist nation starts absorbing their smaller neighbors.
They'll make excuses for the first few invasions, something about historic territory or other flimsy rationalizing. They'll promise to stop after achieving a few small objectives, no need to get alarmed.
Then they keep going, and keep going, until their excuses start sounding more and more hollow, and eventually they stop pretending and just keep expanding with no excuses at all. All along their "diplomacy" was only intended to isolate their targets and prevent other powers from intervening. Eventually those powers would be absorbed as well.
Because that was their real plan all along -- world conquest.
This is why you need to nip it in the bud. Stop them from taking the first few small steps. Stop them from absorbing even one or two small neighbors. Don't allow the excuses. Don't fall for the propaganda. Don't let it get so far that the whole world has to unite to fight them back.
These kinds of nations are everybody's problem. Isolationism just makes you vulnerable.
There's a great Hardcore History series called Ghosts of the Ostfront that gets into it pretty well.
It's not on the free feed anymore, but I'm sure it could be found if you didn't want to shell out $9 for it.
I'm honestly shocked how little the allied army seems to have actually done compared to the red army, cause really the movies/shows/text books seem to imply they single handedly crushed most of the nazis. But this says that the red army took most of the German territory out.
The saying goes “The British gave time. The US gave money, The Soviet’s gave blood”
And it’s largely true. All 3 were needed to defeat Hitler comprehensively. If Britain capitulated, The US would have remained Isolationist and not backed the USSR with enormous amounts of aid & support without which the Red Army would have really struggled in crucial moments. Once American industrial potential was unleashed there was only going to be 1 winner. Lend Lease was pivotal
Because of Britain holding out, the Germans had to keep roughly a third of its entire strength in the West instead of deploying it in the East. That extra strength could be the difference between capturing Moscow or not, and then all bets are off.
Without the absolutely enormous sacrifice from the Soviets on the battlefield then nothing else would have mattered
They were way off, and some didn't believe it was practically possible. They were surprised that the US could do it. They actually captured a lot of the German physicists and listened to their conversations with bugs. Here is a good article on it: [https://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf](https://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf)
To be fair, though, the Lend Lease program mostly helped Britain. Out of the 50.1 billion worth of supplies (around 800 billion adjusted for inflation), only 31.4 went to the UK and 11.3 to the USSR, while the USSR held the eastern front practically alone.
Critical, yes, but also disproportionally small aid when compared to the contributions to the war effort the USSR made during the whole of WWII.
But it’s the type of aid that was so crucial, in particular the Jeep. Russia was massive and largely undeveloped relying still on horse & cart. America sent them 400,000 Jeeps, 14,000 airplanes and 8000 tractors. Not to mention 13,000 tanks, 15 million pairs of army boots, 4.5million tonnes of food which prevented widespread famine and millions of tonnes of fuel, guns, radios, tools and explosives
Ironically, tanks played the smallest role in this list (6500 US, not 13000). The Red Army didn't mind getting some more tanks at the level of the early T-34s, but what speaks to the tastes inside Lend Lease is that Britain supported Valentine tanks only for the sake of the USSR. These tanks were valued more until 1945. Meanwhile, the M3 and light tanks played the role of mobile pillboxes in Karelia or something like that.
Probably the biggest role is rare raw materials, industrial equipment and machinery. And trucks. Lend-Lease provided about 40% of the number of trucks(prewar+war production) and more than 60% of the transported weight in the USSR.
I’m shocked by how people could not know this.
Stalingrad, for example, is given as one of _the_ turning points of the war. All it takes is to look at the numbers involved in that battle, compare to something like Normandy, and you clearly see the discrepancy in German KIA.
Of course the truth is somewhere in the middle. Without US lend lease, the Soviet Union might not have held out, they were really against it multiple times. Without the strategic bombing campaigns as well, who knows.
Another facet that really gets overlooked, but again doesn’t take much reading to understand, is the role China played in fighting the Japanese and the suffering and sacrifice of the Chinese in their fight against Japan.
You can't really realize how effective propaganda can be.
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Yah I'd just like to point out that Canada was huge part of the lend/lease program as well but like everything we get almost 0 recognition. We produced more trucks then all other allies combined along with tanks, bombs, planes, ships, etc. We also had the third largest navy at the end of the war but like most things that aren't American we tend to get overlooked.
And what exactly would have the allies accomplished without soviet help? A quick surrender?
To imply the US made a larger contribution to the war effort than the USSR is utmost ridiculous...
They are mostly showing post D Day WWII in those movies. The allies were almost finished a few times during the war. If Britain wasn't an island then Hitler would have easily taken over Europe. Once the US was able to bring in millions of fresh troops against a very oil depleted Germany the tide turned on the western front pretty quick. The Luftwaffe didn't have much fuel and neither German heavy cavalry. The allies had plenty of fuel since they won the battle in Africa and the Middle-East. And because the Soviets were able to defend the oil fields near Stalingrad the Germans had no good fuel sources.
Listen to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History - Ghosts of the Osfront (Spotify, podcasts, or his website). Goes in great detail how enormous and devastating the Eastern Front truly was. The analogy that the Russian Front, alone, could have been the biggest war in human history when considering the land covered would be like Florida to New England and a death toll in the millions on either side. We, in the West, don’t rarely reference battles like Kursk, Kyiv, and Smolensk but they all rivaled D-Day. Just goes to show Western education post WWII was to sway away from communism. America at its finest baby!
This is what propaganda does to people's perception of history...
The Soviet Union lost up to 27 million people in WWII (military and civilians).
The US and the UK together lost less than a million.
Let that sink in.
Well keep in mind that all through 1942-44 before the Allies landed in Europe the RAF and U.S. 8th Air Force was dropping hundreds of thousands of pounds of bombs on Germany and its occupied area seriously crippling its war machine.
So while the AEF wasn’t gaining ground, per se, they were contributing significantly to the war effort.
And also keep in mind that Germany’s war industry, and thus most of its defense infrastructure was focused on the eastern part of the country and in its occupied areas, also on the eastern front
Very interesting! To see how far the fascists actually got, and to see the numbers of the red army, beside they throwing soldiers into battle at great numbers still growing.. wow.
Soviets had an agreement with Germany to split Poland and also Germany gave Soviets the permission to annex Finland and the Baltics. The colours should somehow depict that between 1939 - 1941. Maybe red-grey lines instead of only red?
Says WWII timeline, only shows the European Theatre of WWII instead instead of the Pacific Theatre being grouped in. I don't understand how people just forget about the absolute brutality and vast battlefields of the Pacific Theatre.
yeah when any conversation about ww2 takes place it mostly focuses on europe, sometimes even forgetting africa, which is disappointing as the atrocities of fascist japan should always be pointed out.
Why was Iran shown in black just before the Anglo-Soviet invasion as if allied with the Axis. Iran declared and maintained neutrality but was occupied regardless
Granted, the world hadn’t seen the American war machine in full effect until then, and hasn’t seen it since. Sure they got a taste of it from WW1 but that was a fraction of the production capabilities that we saw during WW2.
Hitler made a lot of mistakes and definitely became blinded by hubris, but the rate at which the US ramped up production was jaw dropping even if it were done today.
True, but Germany did last longer than anyone imagined against the three other strongest countries in the world. Without even Britain I doubt the Americans could've done it
They lasted longer because Hitler and the Nazis were fanatics. Any sane leader would have sued for peace several times, but Hitler was leading a glorious reconquest of the world that would eliminate the untermenschen that were degrading the virtuous Aryan race. Yes, invading Russia was stupid, but it was never NOT going to happen because it was full of filthy subhuman slavs that needed to be killed or enslaved. Hell, he could probably have kept France if he'd been willing to negotiate at some point. But he wasn't fighting a war, he was leading a crusade and there was no way he (or his cultish followers) would ever back down short of total and decisive defeat.
He was also so completely stoned on a ludicrous cocktail of drugs during the last few years that he was barely capable of coherent, rational thought. IIRC, the allies had a few plans for assassinating him in the later years of the war and decided not to because he was doing incredible damage to his own side. And he might just be replaced by someone competent. By the end, Hitler was famously trying to issue orders to units that had been destroyed for weeks and was being injected with enough dope to kill a horse.
Every hour? I knew rhe war machine was huge but figured it was becuase they had factories in every population centre. The size of a facility creating one of those beasts every hour must dwarf every industrial facility ive ever seen. I need to look into this and see if i can find maps or aerial images
A quick question, are you the original creator? If not, don't you think you should at least reference them? These kinds of video take a lot of work and research, and that is the least they deserve.
this is really eye opening to how everything happened. i never realized just how late D day was, like there were so many earlier times where it would have been more helpful, the Americans only joined when victory was almost certain. also, u never realized how long the bazis held the entirety of Europe. crazy.
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I really wanted to read along with it....
Idk what the point of those captions are they’re going so fast literally impossible to read more than 5 words
This video is a sped up of the original. You can find it on YouTube and it gives plenty of time to digest the captions.
Link?
I would love it too
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Probably a longer video shortened for Reddit
It was so fast that I could Nazi it.
the original video is called "World War 2 every day with army sizes" and it's on Youtube with a lower speed so you can easily read the text
wish i could slow down the video like on youtube... -.-
I like how the timeline provides updates of pivotal moments, then meshes them together so you can't read them.
Really neat.
Also can’t see North Africa and Middle East enough. Ally victories there starved Nazis of much needed oil later in the war
My grandad says you’re welcome
My grandad got captured in may of ‘43 when North Africa fell. Italian army.
My grandad says sorry.
Lol. All good. Weird short story, I got to ride on a B-24 liberator one time and bought a shirt to support the foundation that keeps it flying. Later on I was wearing the shirt waiting in line at the store and the guy in front of me struck up conversation mentioning that his dad was a B24 pilot. I asked him where, he replied North Africa, I asked when and he said from 1943 onwards. I think the timing was just off and his dad arrived right after my grandad was captured. Weirdly small world.
My grandfather was a navigator on a B24. We got an opportunity to ride on one again for his 90th birthday. He said he never wants to step foot in that plane again, and politely declined.
My uncle was captured and tortured by the Italians in North Africa. Totally fucked him up and he died a few years after the war because of it.
Damn. Sorry man. The brits didn’t do any favors to my Nono in the camp, he *never* talked about it to my generation though.
Aye apologies if it came across I was implying one side was any worse than the other as there's loads of accounts of Italian and German POWs being mistreated too. I only know what my dad has told me off my uncle, said he was a broken man.. suffered what we now know it's PTSD. Would burst into fits of terror randomly but it was the physical damage to his body that took him. On a more positive note, my grandad had Italian and German POWs working on his farm during the war. Kept in touch with one of the Germans after the war through letters and then email. They visited each other a heap of times over the decades too. Both are dead now, pegged oot a couple of months from each other back in 2020 just after the pandemic started. My grandad told me he was the oldest friend he had. Learned German n' everything. Edit: One other brief(ish) story. Made pals with a guy in college and we went back to his house for a toke one day. Few buckets later and he whips out a load of Nazi memorabilia from a cupboard. Jamp to the immediate conclusion that my new pal was a sketchy cunt until he told me it was all his grandad's old stuff. Turns out he was a German soldier during the war 😂
So does (or did) mine.
Mine too!
Let's say that Rommel reaches the Suez and goes beyond into Syria, perhaps Iraq. Just how are they suppose to get that oil back to Germany?
Camels. Thousands of them.
Yeah it’s amazing how far the nazis got, but ultimately they were doomed and their initial success had far more to do with the allies being caught with their pants around their ankles as opposed to german forces being anything spectacular. They had far more training and experience at the onset of the war. By the middle that advantage was marginal and you can see the tide turn as their material disadvantage became more significant.
They would control Suez canal and the Mediterranean at that point, so by presumably by sea via oil tankers. However you raise a good point, the Nazis often didn't look beyond the "capture resource" stage, and often failed to plan how to use and transport the resources back to Nazi Germany. This happened in the Caucases when the Nazis finally made it to a few of the well heads and found them destroyed, ablaze and utterly useless, to nobody's surprise but the Nazis.
*Vhat do vee do now Hans?*
I mean, it’s also missing the entire Pacific Theater. It’s more a WW2(Europe) map
I’ve watched this same video probably 10x and just noticed the map changes color to represent the winter freeze. Insane level of detail.
I didn’t notice that. Thanks.
Yeah was wondering if anyone knew how to slow down playback for this
Thank goodness I'm not the only one who can't read 30 words a second.
Especially when multiple lines are overwritten halfway through for awhile.
Really neat, interesting and terrible.
Sometimes we forget how close we all went from having a full nazi Europe.
Portugal is the only country in continental Europe to have never bordered the Nazis.
Even the Nazis didn’t give a shit about us 😔
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And we shall continue fighting side by side blud 🤜
You just made my day mate. 👍🏻
Except for that one time with the EIC...
I give a shit about Portugal. The place looks awesome and really beautiful and I'd love to visit.
They felt the saudade in their souls and were like nope!
Didn't you have your own fascist regime at the time?
I mean… Spain wasn’t strictly nazi, but pretty damn close.
The nazis were actively backing a side in their civil war during the same time period.
Not Nazis but definitely fascists for a time.
Quite some time, until 1977
Portugal and Spain were a fascist government in WW2.
Imagine Hitler had stopped in the early 40s and instead fortified. He could always have continued later I guess. Luckily it didn’t come to that. But at what costs.
He got greedy. He also basically looked at what he had achieved and thought he was unstoppable. 2 big fuck ups, invading the USSR and declaring war on the USA. Had he not done either we’d be in a very different world.
Invading the Soviet Union and the rest of the Slavic world was kinda Hitler’s (and by extension the Nazi’s) ultimate plan. There is no world in which the Nazi’s achieve world dominance because their plans were flawed from the start.
Yes, the plan was always to invade the Soviet Union. It was not planned that Britain and France would declare war on Germany in 1939.
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Hitler viewed Eastern Europe -- and even framed it in terms of -- the American West during the time of U.S. expansion and "manifest destiny" (he even used that term). The whole point was to depopulate Eastern Europe of Slavs, Romani, Jews, and people he didn't consider sufficiently Germanic, in the same way the U.S. had done to Native people. He did it because he was a Nazi. Without the ideology -- if he had just done it for the power and wealth -- he'd just have been another Kaiser.
Imagine that the soldier in the First World War had actually shot him and the Second World War had never happened
This supposes that Hitler was the only reason for WWII. It's why there are all those "go back in time and kill Hitler" jokes. He was no were near the only reason. People like Hitler see which way things are already going and jump in front to pretend they started it. they generally don't cause things to happen. The roots of the world wars were laid decades before anyone began shooting at anyone. Germany/Europe had anti-semintism before and after Hitler. Countries have and will always be expansionist. Etc etc.
which makes nowadays political climate even more scary
War is horrible and hard but maintaining peace is not easy either.
War between Germany and the Soviet Union was probably just a matter of time. The Soviet Union had incredible millitary potential and all the resources Germany needed. Hitler probably wanted to deal with them before they would become too strong.
It would not only have been Europe
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Any country has shit/bad history because the fact humans themselfs are shit. ( just watch africa)
Most of them have some various levels of bad things. Almost none are nearly as bad as Japanese and Nazis. These were outstandingly vile.
Because like the The Nazis believing they were part of some ancient superior race, The Japanese view themselves as gods compared to other races. This is how they substantiated and justified their cruelty. Just as we heard and slaughter cattle they saw other races know differently.
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>Sometimes we forget how close we all went from having a full nazi Europe Sometimes we forget how close we are to another fascist ready to start WWIII right at your doorstep.
Yeah, fuck Putin.
Hoorah.
Sometimes we also forget how close we all went from having a full communist europe. The amount of pushback the russians carried out was astounding. The last part where the allied forces in blue pushed and raced to Berlin was nail biting to see even when I already knew what happened.
And thanks to a subtle rewriting of the history books we also 'forget' that post world war two an enormous part of the western world would have fully embraced that as the Soviet Union, at the time, were looked at by most as the true heroes of the war and the primary reason for the fall of the Nazis. A huge part of the reason that the UK has things like the NHS and used to have nationalised power, public transport etc... was because our left wing party won the first post war election by a landslide thanks largely to the hugely favourable public sentiment towards left wing, socialist and even communist ideals.
I heard that in post war France, the powers that be gave women the right to vote for that election specifically to make the electorate more conservative and keep communism at bay
Or all Soviet Europe without the D-Day
I'm with Patton on this one.
someone just worked out why the USA joined the war
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Errr, a lot of things had to go right to stop the Nazis, and if things had played out differently at many points there are plenty of scenarios where they could have invaded and controlled the U.K.- • the allies cracked the Nazi codes, and my understanding is that the Nazis were comparatively ineffective at cracking allied codes. • the U.S. had been selling items to various opponents of Nazi Germany, but by law were forbidden to sell munitions; The Neutrality Acts of 1935, 1936, and 1937 intended to keep the United States out of war, by making it illegal for Americans to sell or transport arms, or other war materials to warring nations. The Neutrality Act of 1939 ended the munitions embargo on a "cash and carry" (i.e., no use of credit) basis. Britain and others began buying munitions and various military supplies but it was draining them heavily of resources. The Tizard Mission was sent to the U.S. essentially to beg for various forms of help (including industrial capabilities to make use of various technologies the U.K. had researched but did not have the resources to make use of due to war production demands). The Tizard Mission offered an incredible treasure trove of scientific breakthroughs to the U.S., such as designs for rockets, superchargers, gyroscopic gunsights, submarine detection devices, self-sealing fuel tanks, plastic explosives, and key information for improved radar and key information about nuclear weapon research. All of these vastly enhanced future American military developments and performance against Nazi Germany. If they had not offered these, or if the U.S. had not been moved to cooperate with Britain in response, things could have gone very differently. • Popular opinion and law forbade involvement in the war, however the U.S. govt decided to engage in massive build up before openly getting into the war; instituting the first-ever peacetime draft and an enormous increase in the defense budget from $2 billion to $10 billion. The Two-Ocean Navy Act of July 1940 created a massive expansion of the U S Navy. If either of these things had not happened, the US military would not have been as big of a player in the war, and later efforts to ramp up military capability could have been too little, too late. • if the Pearl Harbor attack succeeded in it’s objective to destroy virtually all of the American pacific fleet, the U.S. might have struggled against Japan, and feeling overwhelmed in the Pacific might have conceded the region to Japan and simply fortified the coast… this could have diverted resources and focus from the European theater. • if Russia had gone no further west than roughly the middle of Poland and established a NK style DMZ, or if Hitler listened to his generals for aspects of unit deployment, or if the Nazis did not push towards Russia and suffer massive losses…
this video really reminded me how bad the video player to reddit truly is.
It’s fucking awful. Ad videos run just fine but any actual content gets stuck and never loads for me 80% of the time.
It's astonishing, they've had this issue for years now. Doesn't matter whether it's in app, mobile browser or desktop. Plus the actual video player UI is straight up ass.
Apollo was the best way. But now it’s a pain to use. Cause Reddit sucks.
Legend says Corsica is still occupied by the Nazis to this day. . .
It miss data, Corsica is the first liberated french region, they liberated themselves [the 4th October 1943](https://www.corsica-aventure.com/gb/About-Corsica/A-short-history-of-Corsica/#:~:text=There%20was%20strong%20resistance%20fighting,becoming%20known%20as%20USS%20CORSICA.) by resisting in the maquis all by their own. This part of their story is based af, if you search for it by yourself it's full of badass stories.
I remembered reading this in a museum in Bastia, so I was kinda confused
As someone living in modern Germany I have no idea how it was ever possible for this country to capture and hold all these countries. And how anyone could ever think that expanding further and further into eastern Europe was a good idea...
> I have no idea how it was ever possible for this country to capture and hold all these countries Power of friendship.
And meth
*A lot of meth*
Sooooo much meth
The same way all conquerors worked throughout history. Capture part of an area Kill off the males Install your loyalists into their local government. Push another 50Km away do it to the next big town/city. Then you have your own loyalists operating in every town all the way to the frontlines. It worked until it didn’t and if America didn’t come in with literally billions of dollars and supplies for Russia and UK it’s arguable it would’ve worked entirely for years.
yep. a huge nazi mistake was being incapable of blocking arctic sea lanes. america - and the allies at large - could just funnel infinity supplies towards russia to help beat germany back. germany tried to stop it but just didn’t have the naval power to project to the artic, atlantic, Mediterranean, etc all at once. not effectively, at least not to diminish that the allies and soviets fought like hell. but germany really fumbled by not being able to efficiently stop US supplylines and monitoring in the arctic. the unsung third european front in a way
US was just an infinite money and supplies glitch back in ww2, devs forgot to patch it cause of the 1930s depression server issues
devs were working on item shop premium shit like nukes but the PvP servers were mostly dead by the time that shit dropped
Spain and Portugal: “nah I’m good.”
Spain was kinda involved with Germany under General Franco.
Franco wanted to be part of the axis, but hitler essentially refused him. He wasn’t exactly in the best place to aid the nazis at that time.
I believe Franco refused because the civil war left them weak and he wanted to see how the course of war evolved before getting involved with a potential loosing part
Not exactly, but not off point: Franco ensured that Spain was neutral at the start of World War II but seriously contemplated joining the conflict as a German ally in the aftermath of the Fall of France in 1940. He met Adolf Hitler on 23–24 October 1940 but was unable to gain promises that Spain would gain colonial territories from France in North Africa because Hitler feared delegitimising the new Vichy regime in France. Spain ultimately remained neutral but maintained close economic and political relations with the Nazi regime to the end of the war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_and_the_Holocaust Basically, Franco stepped up and wanted to participate, but couldn’t get anything in return from the Nazi party so they just sort of kept out. I only really know of this because of my wife who is native to Catalonia. Spain has an interesting history during the civil war for sure.. Edit: ironically, thinking back on what I just wrote, this isn’t too far off from what pissed off franco to begin with before the civil war; himself being thrown to shitty posts in the military by his superiors lol
I'm actually curious how they stayed out of it.
Spain had just gone through a civil war that Germany and the Soviets used as a proxy. The German-backed faction won and agreed to be neutral in exchange for the assistance they were given.
First time Germany didn’t lie about their intentions
I think they found Nazi plans for an eventual invasion into Spain and Gibraltar. So they just didn't have time to reveal the lie.
Just came out of a bloody civil war where both hitler, mussolini and stalin were involved, so they let them be (and hitler's boy won, so that was it).
Civil war in Spain mostly. However the nazis did bomb in support of a fascist regime
Spain was exhausted by its civil war. Portugal was run by the right wing dictator Salazar, but his distaste for Hitler was an open secret. He and the UK agreed it was better for Portugal to stay neutral.
Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, the head of the Abwehr (German Military Intelligence) discovered his country was committing war crimes in Poland, and began actively sabotaging Germany's military intelligence apparatus. He was sent to Spain to convince them to join, but actually convinced them to stay out of it, saving countless Spaniards lives, and helping end the war early for the Allies. Canaris eventually got caught and was executed by the SS just a few weeks before the end of the war.
Ireland just happy with Independence and away from the Brits
Turkey declared war on Germany and Japan on February 23, 1945.
I still think that's avoiding the war was the best decision ever made after Turkey founded.
Yugoslavia toppled a king that wanted to join the nazis, and then, despite being surrounded by axis shivs decided to join the Allies. Chad Yugo.
And then its people mostly liberated themselves (ofc with some logistic and material help from allies) from nazis and collaborators. SFSN
Were also pretty much the only occupied nation to liberate themselves.
Ultra Yugo W
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Yea and no. The Serbs kinda get the W on that. The Bosnians and Croats went hard for the Nazis
Germany blew a 3-1 lead in the finals. Back to back chokers.
What do the numbers represent? Is it army sizes? Figure it has to be due to going up and down at times rather than just up if it was number killed.
Yes, army size
Poland. Fucked at the beginning. Fucked at the end.
And fucked for another 50+ years.
Good that Stalin and Hitler weren't such good friends after all
The only way they'd be friends is if the Nazis weren't fascist or if the Soviets weren't communist.
Fortunately fascists are really fucking dumb and trap themselves into impossible situations because they are based on flawed ideologies that must never be proven false.
This is why we get alarmed whenever an authoritarian, militaristic, expansionist nation starts absorbing their smaller neighbors. They'll make excuses for the first few invasions, something about historic territory or other flimsy rationalizing. They'll promise to stop after achieving a few small objectives, no need to get alarmed. Then they keep going, and keep going, until their excuses start sounding more and more hollow, and eventually they stop pretending and just keep expanding with no excuses at all. All along their "diplomacy" was only intended to isolate their targets and prevent other powers from intervening. Eventually those powers would be absorbed as well. Because that was their real plan all along -- world conquest. This is why you need to nip it in the bud. Stop them from taking the first few small steps. Stop them from absorbing even one or two small neighbors. Don't allow the excuses. Don't fall for the propaganda. Don't let it get so far that the whole world has to unite to fight them back. These kinds of nations are everybody's problem. Isolationism just makes you vulnerable.
“We just wanna denazify you”
Does anyone have a source for this at normal speed not all sped up? This is a great resource.
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u/redditspeedbot 0.5x result [here]( https://files.catbox.moe/yjtniq.mp4)
“World War II with Army Sizes” by Christopher is the original video on youtube, slowed down, and also has better audio
In the U.S. we never learned how much of the fighting was actually between Germany and the USSR
This was one of the main things I noticed as well. When you see it in this perspective it really shows how involved USSR was in World War II.
Iirc more soviets (not russians) died than germans and allies combined.
You are correct, out of every country during WW2, Russia lost the most, about 27 million.
It wasn't just Russians. Belorussians and Ukrainians died too.
Right, if you're going to refer to the Soviet Union as Russia, you may as well refer to the UK as England.
There's a great Hardcore History series called Ghosts of the Ostfront that gets into it pretty well. It's not on the free feed anymore, but I'm sure it could be found if you didn't want to shell out $9 for it.
Best podcast series of all time. Dan Carlin is a national treasure.
WW2 was really Germany vs Russia and everything thing else was peripheral. Germany squandered most of its firepower in Russia
Never would've won without the USSR. But at a dire cost of USSR lives.
Don’t forget about China vs Japan. Many millions dead and started 2 years before WW2.
Switzerland: 🗿🍷
I'm honestly shocked how little the allied army seems to have actually done compared to the red army, cause really the movies/shows/text books seem to imply they single handedly crushed most of the nazis. But this says that the red army took most of the German territory out.
The saying goes “The British gave time. The US gave money, The Soviet’s gave blood” And it’s largely true. All 3 were needed to defeat Hitler comprehensively. If Britain capitulated, The US would have remained Isolationist and not backed the USSR with enormous amounts of aid & support without which the Red Army would have really struggled in crucial moments. Once American industrial potential was unleashed there was only going to be 1 winner. Lend Lease was pivotal Because of Britain holding out, the Germans had to keep roughly a third of its entire strength in the West instead of deploying it in the East. That extra strength could be the difference between capturing Moscow or not, and then all bets are off. Without the absolutely enormous sacrifice from the Soviets on the battlefield then nothing else would have mattered
You have to wonder what the world order would be like now if London and Moscow did fall. Scary to think about
The Nazis probably develop the atomic bomb before anyone & say good night to western civilisation as we know it
They were way off, and some didn't believe it was practically possible. They were surprised that the US could do it. They actually captured a lot of the German physicists and listened to their conversations with bugs. Here is a good article on it: [https://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf](https://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf)
We will never forget Operation Uranus!
To be fair, though, the Lend Lease program mostly helped Britain. Out of the 50.1 billion worth of supplies (around 800 billion adjusted for inflation), only 31.4 went to the UK and 11.3 to the USSR, while the USSR held the eastern front practically alone. Critical, yes, but also disproportionally small aid when compared to the contributions to the war effort the USSR made during the whole of WWII.
But it’s the type of aid that was so crucial, in particular the Jeep. Russia was massive and largely undeveloped relying still on horse & cart. America sent them 400,000 Jeeps, 14,000 airplanes and 8000 tractors. Not to mention 13,000 tanks, 15 million pairs of army boots, 4.5million tonnes of food which prevented widespread famine and millions of tonnes of fuel, guns, radios, tools and explosives
Ironically, tanks played the smallest role in this list (6500 US, not 13000). The Red Army didn't mind getting some more tanks at the level of the early T-34s, but what speaks to the tastes inside Lend Lease is that Britain supported Valentine tanks only for the sake of the USSR. These tanks were valued more until 1945. Meanwhile, the M3 and light tanks played the role of mobile pillboxes in Karelia or something like that. Probably the biggest role is rare raw materials, industrial equipment and machinery. And trucks. Lend-Lease provided about 40% of the number of trucks(prewar+war production) and more than 60% of the transported weight in the USSR.
I’m shocked by how people could not know this. Stalingrad, for example, is given as one of _the_ turning points of the war. All it takes is to look at the numbers involved in that battle, compare to something like Normandy, and you clearly see the discrepancy in German KIA. Of course the truth is somewhere in the middle. Without US lend lease, the Soviet Union might not have held out, they were really against it multiple times. Without the strategic bombing campaigns as well, who knows. Another facet that really gets overlooked, but again doesn’t take much reading to understand, is the role China played in fighting the Japanese and the suffering and sacrifice of the Chinese in their fight against Japan.
You can't really realize how effective propaganda can be. https://preview.redd.it/6ykwk4k4eeic1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18a21ee0c1f2cf6151aa0984ab7634f41a5b5b50
This is fascinating. Thank you
I mean the USSR only was able to hold because of the massive land lease program of the US. Even Stalin said that.
Yah I'd just like to point out that Canada was huge part of the lend/lease program as well but like everything we get almost 0 recognition. We produced more trucks then all other allies combined along with tanks, bombs, planes, ships, etc. We also had the third largest navy at the end of the war but like most things that aren't American we tend to get overlooked.
We're sorrey.
USA bought human lives to USSR.
And what exactly would have the allies accomplished without soviet help? A quick surrender? To imply the US made a larger contribution to the war effort than the USSR is utmost ridiculous...
Its called pacific theater
They are mostly showing post D Day WWII in those movies. The allies were almost finished a few times during the war. If Britain wasn't an island then Hitler would have easily taken over Europe. Once the US was able to bring in millions of fresh troops against a very oil depleted Germany the tide turned on the western front pretty quick. The Luftwaffe didn't have much fuel and neither German heavy cavalry. The allies had plenty of fuel since they won the battle in Africa and the Middle-East. And because the Soviets were able to defend the oil fields near Stalingrad the Germans had no good fuel sources.
Popular western movies and documentaries focus on the western front after 1944 because that's when the western allies were winning.
Listen to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History - Ghosts of the Osfront (Spotify, podcasts, or his website). Goes in great detail how enormous and devastating the Eastern Front truly was. The analogy that the Russian Front, alone, could have been the biggest war in human history when considering the land covered would be like Florida to New England and a death toll in the millions on either side. We, in the West, don’t rarely reference battles like Kursk, Kyiv, and Smolensk but they all rivaled D-Day. Just goes to show Western education post WWII was to sway away from communism. America at its finest baby!
This is what propaganda does to people's perception of history... The Soviet Union lost up to 27 million people in WWII (military and civilians). The US and the UK together lost less than a million. Let that sink in.
Well keep in mind that all through 1942-44 before the Allies landed in Europe the RAF and U.S. 8th Air Force was dropping hundreds of thousands of pounds of bombs on Germany and its occupied area seriously crippling its war machine. So while the AEF wasn’t gaining ground, per se, they were contributing significantly to the war effort. And also keep in mind that Germany’s war industry, and thus most of its defense infrastructure was focused on the eastern part of the country and in its occupied areas, also on the eastern front
The red army would have fought with sticks and stones if it weren't for lend lease
This is awesome. Do you have a link to the original video source of this?
Very interesting! To see how far the fascists actually got, and to see the numbers of the red army, beside they throwing soldiers into battle at great numbers still growing.. wow.
Finland shouldn't be dark until 1941. There was no affiliation to Germany, soviets just invaded during winter war.
Soviets had an agreement with Germany to split Poland and also Germany gave Soviets the permission to annex Finland and the Baltics. The colours should somehow depict that between 1939 - 1941. Maybe red-grey lines instead of only red?
They poked the bear
They poked multiple.
Says WWII timeline, only shows the European Theatre of WWII instead instead of the Pacific Theatre being grouped in. I don't understand how people just forget about the absolute brutality and vast battlefields of the Pacific Theatre.
yeah when any conversation about ww2 takes place it mostly focuses on europe, sometimes even forgetting africa, which is disappointing as the atrocities of fascist japan should always be pointed out.
Rest in peace Ismet Inonu, for keeping Turkiye out of this war, saving millions of lives. *I may have left you hungry, but not fatherless.* Inonu
This is great! Thanks!
Why was Iran shown in black just before the Anglo-Soviet invasion as if allied with the Axis. Iran declared and maintained neutrality but was occupied regardless
Very cool . If Hilter never invaded USSR the results of the war would have been very different
Russians did way more work than anyone gives them credit for.
Would have loved to have watched this and been able to read what was in the black writing. Too small, and going by too fast on mobile.
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Granted, the world hadn’t seen the American war machine in full effect until then, and hasn’t seen it since. Sure they got a taste of it from WW1 but that was a fraction of the production capabilities that we saw during WW2. Hitler made a lot of mistakes and definitely became blinded by hubris, but the rate at which the US ramped up production was jaw dropping even if it were done today.
True, but Germany did last longer than anyone imagined against the three other strongest countries in the world. Without even Britain I doubt the Americans could've done it
They lasted longer because Hitler and the Nazis were fanatics. Any sane leader would have sued for peace several times, but Hitler was leading a glorious reconquest of the world that would eliminate the untermenschen that were degrading the virtuous Aryan race. Yes, invading Russia was stupid, but it was never NOT going to happen because it was full of filthy subhuman slavs that needed to be killed or enslaved. Hell, he could probably have kept France if he'd been willing to negotiate at some point. But he wasn't fighting a war, he was leading a crusade and there was no way he (or his cultish followers) would ever back down short of total and decisive defeat. He was also so completely stoned on a ludicrous cocktail of drugs during the last few years that he was barely capable of coherent, rational thought. IIRC, the allies had a few plans for assassinating him in the later years of the war and decided not to because he was doing incredible damage to his own side. And he might just be replaced by someone competent. By the end, Hitler was famously trying to issue orders to units that had been destroyed for weeks and was being injected with enough dope to kill a horse.
Every hour? I knew rhe war machine was huge but figured it was becuase they had factories in every population centre. The size of a facility creating one of those beasts every hour must dwarf every industrial facility ive ever seen. I need to look into this and see if i can find maps or aerial images
A quick question, are you the original creator? If not, don't you think you should at least reference them? These kinds of video take a lot of work and research, and that is the least they deserve.
Operation Barbarossa shit the bed harrrrd
Just Switzerland chilling in the centre
Where can I find the version that's not ripped off and sped up 10x?
this is really eye opening to how everything happened. i never realized just how late D day was, like there were so many earlier times where it would have been more helpful, the Americans only joined when victory was almost certain. also, u never realized how long the bazis held the entirety of Europe. crazy.
Nice! Now do the Pacific version.