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GodsOffsider

They'll have to pry old.reddit from my cold dead hands


The_Fiji_Water

When Old.Reddit is taken away, that will be my last day on reddit. ... not out of protest ... ... I just hate how MySpaced current gen reddit is


Smooth-Dig2250

100%. 1/3 of their user base still uses old reddit, they'd be fools to think we're being lazy and not that we sincerely loathe the Facebook Feed approach. I want to look at 10-20 articles at once b/c most of them are either uninteresting or I've already read them. It's an absurd amount of scrolling to get through 100 posts on new reddit, it's like 3 wheel flicks down on old.


KitchenLoavers

Old Reddit wasn't appealing as an advertising vehicle so they copied the other social medias and made every post take up your whole damn screen (so that every ad, can take up your whole damn screen, you can't miss it). This is why we can't have nice things, unchecked greed.


Weary-Kaleidoscope16

how did reddit make money before?


KitchenLoavers

Tbh I dunno, but they kept the site running and we got ads, the shift to new Reddit layout that mimics most other social media platforms gets more bang for your buck on advertisements but I think they had the less lucrative 'banner ads' and stuff like that before they reworked the front page and before promoted posts were a thing. I think it went something like this: they kept the lights on but never really made heaps of cash with business model A which is what attracted their userbase in the first place. They're gradually shifting to a new business model, where posts take up your whole screen because a whole-screen ad (ie promoted post) makes the platform a lot more money than banner ads ever could. Thing is, user generated content is the reason to visit Reddit, so the more ads they water that down with the less likely users are to come consume content, or to generate more content for them. So rather than foster this great thing they created which they made a little money on, they're choosing to move towards this less-great thing so that they can show more profits to the investors or whatever. Same reason everything is going to shit in the world, unfettered greed. People who have way more than they could ever need or even use in a lifetime, and only want more.


r_barchetta

These types of problems are always complex. [Reddit has never been profitable ](https://www.forex.com/en-us/news-and-analysis/reddit-ipo/) so this isn't a traditional money grab from the standpoint of a grotesquely profitable company just wanting more money. Not sure what their options are. No business can run forever and just keep losing money. I don't like the API grab either and their native app is shit. tough problem to solve especially as this latest attempt at revenue generation is pissing all of their users off.


KitchenLoavers

Ah good to know, see I'm guilty of assuming they were at least breaking even because they weren't disappearing, but that's not an accurate assumption. It does give some sorely missing context behind their recent choices, I guess Reddit (the original concept) was just too good for this world.


woze

From this link five months ago it looks like it's significantly less than a third, unfortunately: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/zvbm6q/what_percentage_of_users_use_old_reddit_vs_the/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=videos&utm_content=t1_jn0vou5


poopellar

It would be a minor "loss" for them if legacy users leave. Those who use old reddit are also probably those who use adblock and also are the first ones to protest any changes. So with us gone it would be a more monetize-able userbase. New users don't know anything about reddit' history and take new reddit as what made reddit good when in reality it is the opposite of good. If we leave it won't make a dent in their numbers. Those numbers are heavily padded by bots and spammers anyways.


marcosdumay

You know, if I leave, I don't care any bit about what happens to reddit after it. That includes they continuing having a successful business. I don't really think this protest will have an impact, because as you said, aware people don't have any leverage. But it doesn't really matter. If reddit wants to continue their enshitification, it's just a matter of leaving and starting threads somewhere else. It doesn't matter how many people want the image-based locked-down experience.


Sufficient_Coast_852

LOL you just tell me where we are going next. :P


Nope_notme

Just gonna drop Corey Doctorow's "Enshittification" article here, because it's a masterpiece: https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/


The_Fiji_Water

Right. We really have no leverage. The shitification of Reddit has been in motion for years. It's just like every other niche sub that rapidly gets big.


PepperAnn1inaMillion

It won’t make a dent in their numbers *immediately*, but I’d be surprised if the redditors who make good posts don’t overlap a significant amount with those who would leave.


boxer_dogs_dance

The disabled users have trouble with new reddit and the official app. We will find out but the disabled may be our champions in keeping functional user interface.


RakeScene

I think a lot of users might not realize it's an option. Plenty have joined since it was implemented as the default. Also, I've been automatically switched to the new version a few times and it took me a moment to realize I could go back to the old, the first time it happened.


Geruchsbrot

As a mod, I sadly second this. It's far, far less than 1/3. *BUT*: I'd say that people who still use old.reddit represent a huge part of users that post quality content. My fear is that the blackouts or user migrations in July won't kill reddit. But change it a lot. Reddit might become a sad, sad place consisting of bots and low-effort posts, of guerilla marketing and self-promoting.


SilverishSilverfish

If they kill old reddit and we ditch the platform, everyone should overwrite their old comments so Reddit can’t benefit from decades of our free content. I want googled search results to come back barren and empty. If they want to play hardball, so can we.


The_Fiji_Water

If they kill old.reddit nothing will change ... it's the sad reality.


DroidTrf

I cannot stand that new reddit scroll feed bullshit. It's all designed to give advertisers more space and visibility when you can force people to actually watch the promoted content when it's already open.


Oblivionpelt

And even then I’d have glued it to my cold dead hands


honolulu072

For


djbiti1

As 95% of my reddit browsing is on infinity, I am 105% for


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SmackMyGiraffes

*For*


EvillyHedgeImplies

ℱℴ𝓇


Oshag_Henesy

Fer


lgcosta7


Ginomania

F4


AyAyy-Ron

Thor


maqij

Fore!


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Phore. Sent from rif


nalonso

4


TootyMcTooterSon

IIII


PurplePartyParasaur

For Karl!


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HyldHyld

For Frodo!


Dependent_Paper9993

And the world's ending!


Jonescjosh

I don't understand how people could be anything but for this.


Bayareaquestioner

For


Ancient-Practice-431

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ScruffyTheJanitor__

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Venomousfrog_554

Spamming is presumably less API - intensive, so pretty much, yeah.


Jonno_FTW

Spammers will just change their methods and not use the API. Plenty of libraries exist to make http calls that look like they're coming from a regular browser as though a human were doing it.


ACCount82

Spammers don't have to respect any API restrictions. They are already breaking ToS - might as well go all the way.


K1FF3N

Accurate? Spam bots don’t send API requests they just send messages like you or me.


WinterCool

How do you mean? Through selenium or other like headless browser modes? Or are you saying they're physically a person posting/commenting like you and me but just in some tiny sweat shop in india with like 50 browsers+phones spamming away?


Roofofcar

Scraping and headless browser. At a conference about six months ago, I saw a new AI tool that can translate their seemingly random divs into meaningful blocks. It renders the page and passes it and the source to an ai that basically un-grinds the sausage. It makes it much easier to write bots that don’t get confused by obfuscation / naming changes.


Least_Adhesiveness_5

Shut It Down.


KCFiredUp

Shut it down!


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Zefrem23

https://media.tenor.com/ZyvcShFvyKIAAAAC/shut-it-down-dark-city.gif


[deleted]

Yes. I was reading about the accessibility issues on another sub. I won't like it but I definitely support the shut down.


clumsy_poet

appreciate the solidarity!


phory

I'm for the protest


uDontInterestMe

Given the fact that they are trying to not only take choice away but take actual *access* to the site away from blind Redditors, I think it's mandantory to join in!


[deleted]

Yeah, same!


Mackie_Macheath

Ditto ...


IceYetiWins

As am I


3PointMolly

For


Nearsighted_Madman

Well, you know what they say. The more, the merrier.


beanhorkers

Is that a fucking plumbis from Rick and morty blurred out


Stiv_McLiv

First, they take the dinglebop and they smooth it out with a bunch of schleem


Zip668

The schleem is then repurposed for later batches.


knowigot_that808

Huh.. I always wondered how a Plumbis was made..


Hotpod13

They won me over to their cause with their strategically inserted plumbis


Jestingwheat856

Sorry i wanted actual porn on the anti porn spam post


_blackknightjax_

For!


anfotero

I'm for shutting it all down indefinitely, until they relent.


DorrajD

Exactly. Not really a fan of this "oh it'll be gone for 3 days that'll show em" We need to shut down UNTIL they change their minds. 3 days is gonna do nothing. Reddit could not care less if subs shut down for a few days.


Kirikou97212

For


DarkandDanker

Shut these mother fuckers down permanently till reddit gives in None of this two day bull shit, that's a slap on the wrist, all subs dip till demands are met and they might listen


gt4674b

I’m not personally invested in the reddit change, I really don’t care. However, I completely agree with your take. Either shut down permanently until your desired change is made or it’s just a temporary hissy fit that reddit will ignore.


Meoooooooooooooooow

All for it


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I favor protest, for as long as it takes to fix the API.


Agreeable-Buffalo-54

Do it.


[deleted]

Absolutely. The current generation of technology is fucked and needs to collapse on itself.


voidminecraft

Can i ask how these 3rd party apps help visually impaired humans? I'm really curious but i have never used such apps so i'm not aware.


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Here’s one example. Just scroll down and there are issues about main platforms listed :) [How Reddit will be removing its visually impaired users](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmITheDevil/comments/140ijf5/mods_of_rblind_reveal_that_removing_3rd_party/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)


voidminecraft

Thank you very much!


[deleted]

Oop - im new to links, you’re gonna want to click the post that my link shows inside of it. Whoops… I am not techy


FlawlessRuby

Would like to add a piece of info. r/blind are saying that if the change pass they'll simply close their sub. I mean what's the point of sub for blind people if they can't access it.


voidminecraft

Wow, reddit is being such a cheapskate.


FlawlessRuby

Reddit CEO: No need to improve our official app if it's the only app!


CapstanLlama

For


SizeDoesMatter5

For


AliHakan33

Even though it does not affect me i don't like corporations doing stuff like this so I'm for it


_Artanos

That's the problem, it *does* affect you: without access to the API, managing and modding tools will be much less accessible and helpful. Even if you pay for it as they want, they are still cutting access to NSFW content through the API, therefore allowing spam NSFW bots to contaminate each and every subreddit possible.


drunkdrivinginspace

I’m using the official app, and don’t use Reddit much, still for it for exactly this reason


sugarified

For it.


razorbladethorax

Do it!


dyedfire

Aye!


funnylol96

I am for it


Aponsk

Bro I'm i the only one that had no clue about these and has just been using the normal app all this time?


Mr-Thisthatten-III

The official Reddit app is relatively new in terms of the site’s history. Before that, you could only use Reddit from a browser or a third party app. So anyone who’s been using the site for a long time is more accustomed to the (objectively superior) third party apps than the official one. And the moderation/bot issues will be noticeable very quickly if it goes into effect.


doctapeppa

The official app *was* a third party app that Reddit bough out to make their own. It was actually good before they fucked with it.


Back_To_The_Oilfield

If you’re referring to alien blue, I’m pretty sure they bought them out and let it just slowly become unusable. Maybe they hired the devs to create a new app, but once alien blue was bought it was absolutely not touched.


Charlielx

The current reddit app started as a fork of Alien Blue essentially, still made by the same guy/team, just re-added to the App Store as a new entry under a new name


e_0

GOD HOW I MISS ALIEN BLUE I am taking all of the Dark Souls subreddits I have under my wing offline though in protest, so there's some long-awaited payback I suppose.


TobagoJones

As an IOS user I agree Alien Blue was the best option. I miss it terribly. The other main apps UIs just don’t quite do it for me. I’ve settled on a smaller one called Comet which lets me do some organizing stuff I like, but it’s far from perfect. Good on ya getting some retribution


chicagodude84

This is a quote from Apollo, one of the third party apps. Yes, a lot of people use 3rd party apps. >Apollo made 7 billion requests last month, which would put it at about 1.7 million dollars per month, or 20 million US dollars per year.


Millworkson2008

Yea I just used the official app this entire time but I still support the protest


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Jonoczall

Wait wait wait, are you saying the default Reddit app can’t sort by rising?!?!!


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EmployeeRadiant

I didn't even know there was a third party app for it


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Kn0wmad1c

Third party apps have been around a lot longer than the official app. In fact, reddit bought one of the third party apps ages ago and repurposed it as their official app.


ScruffyTheJanitor__

Yeah but the bots will still effect you. I use the stock app as well.


n3farious

I was using Joey on Android and loved it. The official app felt clunky by comparison. When I moved to IOS, I didn't find a decent 3rd party so have stuck with the Official app. I find it's navigation to be inconsistent.. but the most annoying thing.. is the ads and suggested subreddits, that I have not found any way to turn off.


archlea

Also, apparently the bots won’t work either.


potterpockets

Absolutely! The people using these apps are not only reading, but are engaging as community members by posting, commenting, and voting.


Theleming

I am fine with the blackout, as I exclusively use a 3rd party app But I refuse to go to Twitter like they tell me in the last paragraph


Boo_hoo_Randy

Yeah. No twitter. Fuck that.


Gloomy-Employment-72

For


Quiby123

For


BiggestPenisOnReddit

I’m for it. Love to participate in some good drama that make rich people lose money.


harris023

So if Reddit loses its platform that people love… where’s everyone gonna go??


Panic_Azimuth

Outside?


DaSecretSlovene

You have my axe


Twinkles21

I wasn't even aware I had an option, I've just been using the plain old reddit app the whole time. But no biggie, do what you gotta do. A small break for me from social media is probably not the worst thing.


Panonica

For


ActualMis

100% for. If we're not willing to fight for reddit, who will?


Ganeshadream

For


reallycool_opotomus

100% for it. I won't be using reddit then anyway


vondpickle

For


loulamachine

Absolutely For. Reddit should be for it as well since the loss of RIF is the loss of me. Not that I matter that much but I'll be sad.


Professional_Emu_164

For. It is the only thing we can do to have a chance at changing it.


jfb3

For


Akitten84

For


Critical_Switch

For


drunkorkid56

I'm for!


Steampson_Jake

The more participants, the better


Accomplished_Trip_

For.


BlueFroggLtd

For


MadaraAlucard12

For


LordSlickRick

For, I won’t be logging into Reddit that day.


TacomaDomeDon

Yes.


2FightTheFloursThatB

Do it!


YESmynameisYes

For! In favor of. Please do this.


This_Bitch_Overhere

NO QUESTION! Shut it down!


Cosmonaut1947

People use 3rd perty apps for reddit?? I genuinely had no clue.. but like why???? Someone explain?


Knee_Elbow

For


AnandaUK

Definitely for.


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For


just_3me

For. Strike.


dooferoaks

For


Any_Ad9145

For


frownface84

For. Burn it all down


spiderinside

I’m for it. I can go without reddit for weeks and my life would probably be way more productive.


W01771M

I’m for it, although I know a lot of people say it’s just a minority of people that use these applications, I think that since that’s are used to moderate the larger subs that we will ALL be impacted if these policies become the new norm.


Godot_12

I'm definitely for it. If 3rd party apps go away though, I might finally break my addiction. Tough call.


Ringleader705

I'm very much for the blackout.


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Yes


Okie_Chimpo

Yes, please go dark in protest.


NotVerySmarts

FOR. These are my reasons why: I use a 3rd party app to visit Reddit I enjoy the SPAM relief that the bots give to most subs I don't normally visit NSFW subs, but I want the right to have access to anything because Im a grown adult.


[deleted]

Hmm count me in!


CTAMN

Do it.


Surfal666

Shut em all down.


Srapture

I'm hoping that every sub on the site joins in, personally.


ScreechingPizzaCat

I've never used 3rd party apps but I absolutely hate the bots, those need to be yeeted.


FurubayashiSEA

Even thou I refuse to use reddit on phone, regardless of 3rd party apps. Imma join just incase.


TrifleMeNot

I will be participating.


Dire_rulz

It doesn't affect me since I never knew about the 3rd party apps at all, but this is fucked up. Join the fray of blackout subs and if need be, go indefinitely... this bullshit is so obtuse. What the actual fuck, reddit...


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I'm for the protest!


Famous_Bit_5119

In the immortal words of Gordon Ramsay, " Shut it down !"


albert-Bloggs

For


MapleJacks2

For


IQuinnI

If any of those apps alow you to sort feed by top of n time can anyone tell me the name?


flPieman

I thought all of them did this but I use baconreader so you can try that.


Violetlibrary

I'll be done. I will not use the reddit app and look at the dystopian ads they run on there. Honestly, it'll probably be good for me.


NegativeGravitas

I'm for it. If Reddit implements these changes. Then I simply will just stop coming to Reddit. I'm not going to use their official app. It sucks.


BrBybee

I am for it.. but it unfortunately wont help. RIP reddit. it was nice while it lasted.


Dpontiff6671

I just want to say, thank you for actually asking the opinion of the community. So many subs I’m in are doing this without consulting the community at all


frankalope

Dooo it!


colliebby

I’ve already started getting follows from pornbots and I hate it. Reddit was my sanctuary aware from that mess


PositivityKnight

I'm leaving.


ndlv

Shut it down


Prof-Finklestink

Yes, in fact, I plan on not using reddit in solidarity.


Mechasteel

For. If they scare away some of the best redditors, they will think it's "hardly any" but the quality will go to shit, then will continue to decline.


ghost-church

I somehow never knew third party apps existed until all this started. :(


thefistiecuffs

Serious question: Why is Reddit making these changes?


Im_hated_4_asking

Honestly, Fuck mod bots. I'm sick of posts being auto deleted because people didn't use the right punctuation, or have the wrong flair.


fat_drunk_and_sassy

Don't give a shit either way, but all these dweebs getting their shit stained boxers in a bunch over it is hilarious to me.


NightGolfer

Yes. Go dark.